Israel Evacuates Surrogate Babies From Nepal but Leaves the Mothers Behind

An Israeli Boeing-747 returned from Nepal to Israel’s Ben Gurion International Airport on Tuesday afternoon, and among its 229 passengers were 15 Israeli babies, all born within the past six weeks to surrogate mothers in Nepal.

Some of the babies were with their Israeli parents and others were cared for by Israeli passengers. None of the surrogate mothers were allowed to travel.

The infants’ arrival completed the evacuation of 26 surrogate Israeli babies from Nepal, where a devastating earthquake on Saturday killed more than 4,000. The rescue process, coupled with widely published photos of the newborns being cradled by Israeli medics on the Tel Aviv tarmac, has thrust Israel’s reliance on Nepalese surrogates into the spotlight, revealing a little known link between Nepal and Israel and starting a debate here about the ethics of international surrogacy.

Only heterosexual couples can easily employ surrogate mothers in Israel. Gay couples and single parents tend to look abroad to bear children with surrogates. For many years, India — where costs are low but the standard of medical care is generally high — was the preferred surrogacy option for Israelis, but a change to the law there in 2013 prevented gay men and couples who had been married for less than two years from engaging surrogate mothers. The shift in the law caught many Israelis midway through the surrogacy process. The Indian women traveled to Nepal to give birth and the Israeli surrogacy agencies then switched their operations from India to Nepal.

The first Israeli baby was born to a surrogate mother in Nepal in January 2014, and it is now the destination of choice for Israelis who do not have access to surrogacy in Israel. Many Asian and European countries ban commercial surrogacy, and it can cost up to $150,000 in the U.S. and Canada but only $30,000 in Nepal.

But while the Israeli government scrambled to evacuate the 26 Israeli newborns and their Israeli parents from Nepal, a further 100 women, some Nepalese, some Indian, are still carrying babies for Israelis. The Israeli Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein said he would allow the most heavily pregnant to be flown to Israel to give birth and outgoing Interior Minister Gilad Erdan promised to remove immigration hurdles for the rest. “We have decided to hold off on all the procedures, even if it causes a problem with the Nepalese or Indian governments, so as to bring over the babies as soon as possible,” Israeli news sources quoted him as saying on Monday.

The ordeal of the infants and their surrogates has dominated the news coverage of the quake here, with some pundits criticizing the use of government funds to send a rescue mission, and others demanding that Israel reevaluate its own surrogacy laws in the wake of the crisis. An opinion piece in the Haaretz newspaper went one step further, accusing the Israeli public of showing selective empathy by focusing only on the newborn infants, and not the women who had carried them.

“How can it be that none of the human interest stories or compassion-filled posts mentioned these women, who came from a difficult socioeconomic background … to rent their wombs … who now, like the babies they’ve just had, are also stuck in the disaster zone?” writer Alon-Lee Green asked.

Officials on Tuesday said they were continuing to explore options for evacuating the pregnant women. Meanwhile, a delegation from the Red Star of David, Israel’s national emergency medical response organization, remained on the ground in Katmandu, where Israel has set up a field hospital.

Yonatan Yagodovsky, director of the Red Star of David’s international department, said that in addition to operating the field hospital and assisting local doctors, the evacuation of the newborn children had been his organization’s top priority. On Tuesday, all of the infants underwent medical examinations in Israel, and two remained hospitalized.

The future of Israeli surrogacy in Nepal remains up in the air. “The main concern right now is lack of clean water and things like that,” said Dana Magdassi, founder of Israel’s Lotus Surrogacy Agency. “I’m not going to send someone in for treatment right now, but in one or two months, I think we can definitely reconsider.”

http://time.com/3838319/israel-nepal-surrogates/

Fertility in Israel is dropping quite fast and surrogacy is being used to keep the number of Israeli's up.

Where's the Coverage? Israel Sends More Manpower to Aid Nepal than Any Other Country

Israel frequently sends aid teams to countries hit by natural disasters such as post-earthquake Haiti and tsunami-stricken Japan. Nepal is no different. The Times of Israel reports:

Israel’s aid team to the earthquake-battered Himalayan nation of Nepal is the largest in manpower of any international aid mission.
Over 250 doctors and rescue personnel were part of an IDF delegation that landed Tuesday in the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu, in the wake of Saturday’s magnitude-7.8 earthquake that devastated large swaths of the mountainous country, killing at least 5,000 and leaving some 8,000 wounded and tens of thousands seeking shelter and food.
The Israeli group set up a field hospital with 60 beds that began operations on Wednesday in coordination with the local army hospital.

By comparison, according to the BBC, the United Kingdom has sent “a team of more than 60 search and rescue responders and medical experts” and Time magazine reports that the United States is sending “about 70 American personnel”. Remember, Israel has a population of approximately 8 million. The United States is a nation of roughly 350 million. In that context, the magnitude of Israel’s efforts is even more staggering.
But instead of lauding Israel’s extraordinary response to Nepal’s distress, the mainstream media seeks to cast Israel in a bad light, highlighting of all things the fact that a number of Israeli couples employ Nepalese women as surrogate mothers to carry their children. A Time magazine headline states that “Israel Evacuates Surrogate Babies From Nepal but Leaves the Mothers Behind” although, if a reader managed to make it to the sixth paragraph of the article, he would read that, of the women in Nepal still carrying Israeli babies:

The Israeli Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein said he would allow the most heavily pregnant to be flown to Israel to give birth and outgoing Interior Minister Gilad Erdan promised to remove immigration hurdles for the rest.

Newsweek also chose to highlight the surrogacy issue with its article, “Israel Evacuating Babies Born to Surrogate Mothers in Nepal” as did UPI with “Israel evacuates surrogate babies and their Israeli parents but left behind expectant mothers”.
Worse still, instead of clebrating Israel’s herculean humanitarian efforts in a country half way around the world, as someone who cares about those in need would be expected to do, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, Kenneth Roth, actually tweeted, “Easier to address a far-away humanitarian disaster than the nearby one of Israel's making in Gaza. End the blockade!”
And here’s something else interesting that the media chooses to completely ignore: the commander of Israel’s field hospital in Nepal is a Druze, IDF Colonel Dr. Tarif Bader.
To keep abreast of Israel’s aid efforts in Nepal, follow Libby Weiss, the Head of the IDF Spokesperson’s North American Media Desk, on Twitter. You certainly won’t hear about it from the popular press because… Where’s the coverage?

Israel sends aid to Nepal, but what about Gaza? On Israel’s selective compassion
Once again, Israel is shining during a disaster thousands of miles away. But the people down the coast are another thing.

As Nepal struggles to cope with the aftermath of Saturday’s horrific earthquake, with countries around the world sending rescue teams and offering financial and logistical support, Israel has once again demonstrated its impressive ability to mobilize quickly and assist disaster-stricken nations.

As the international community rallies, Israel has sent a 260-member military delegation to help Israelis injured or missing, but also to take part in the search for all missing survivors and set up a field hospital in Kathmandu. It has also sent 95 tons of medical supplies and equipment, including operating rooms, an emergency room and X-ray machines, as well as childbirth and pediatric facilities.

It’s a substantial response to a great humanitarian crisis, and an admirable effort to assist a country badly needing all the help it can get. And once again, Israel is sending disaster-relief teams wherever the disaster has struck, no matter how remote.

It did so in 1999 after the earthquake in Izmit, Turkey, that claimed the lives of roughly 17,000 people. It did so in 2010 after the earthquake in Haiti, where it sent a 220-member rescue team.

In 2011, after the Fukushima tsunami and nuclear disaster, Israel was one of the first countries to respond, sending doctors and other military personnel to set up a field hospital. In 2013, after Typhoon Haiyan ravaged the Philippines, Israel sent a 148-member rescue team and 90 tons of equipment, food and medical supplies.

In fact, Israel’s propensity for disaster relief is so great that in 2003, following an earthquake that killed nearly 30,000 people near the Iranian city of Bam, Iranian officials felt compelled to say they would welcome assistance from any country — but Israel.

For a country of Israel’s size and limited military presence around the world, this kind of mobilization is extraordinary. Israel’s effectiveness and empathy wins it new fans from all quarters.

But not if the disaster strikes 70 kilometers down the coast from Tel Aviv, and if Israel is its direct cause.

More than eight months after the war that decimated Gaza’s civilian infrastructure, killed 2,132 Palestinians (and 72 Israelis) and displaced thousands, the reconstruction is still stalling, according to a report by the Association of International Development Agencies. More than 12,000 homes are still waiting to be rebuilt, and 100,000 people are still homeless.

AIDA, which considers Operation Protective Edge the most destructive Israeli military operation in Gaza in the last six years, has said it will take decades for Gaza to recover from its humanitarian crisis. An August 2014 report by the United Nations asked whether in 2020 Gaza will be “livable.” With a quarter of the population lacking access to running water and the electricity grid largely out of commission, it’s increasingly hard to make the case that Gaza is livable.

Israel, it should be noted, has allowed a certain level of humanitarian aid into Gaza during the war and in the months since, and has lifted some restrictions. But in light of the devastation, not to mention a blockade more than seven years old and two previous military operations, these steps are a drop in a wide ocean of misery.

Yet Israel is acting as if it’s more concerned with the disaster in Nepal — a remote country known to Israelis mostly for tourism and surrogate pregnancies — not the place festering on the border. “Since Saturday, we have all become Nepalese,” wrote commentator Boaz Bismuth in the daily Israel Hayom.

With the war all but forgotten and Gaza far removed from Israeli minds, Israel and its politicians are hardly interested in Gaza’s troubles.

Of course, one could argue that Gaza and places like Nepal aren’t the same thing. Gaza is Hamas’ stronghold, whereas no one has ever fired rockets from Kathmandu at Israeli cities. Can Israelis be expected to sympathize with the people they’re constantly fighting? Since even the most hawkish Israeli politicians agree that not all Gazans are necessarily Hamas supporters, yes they can.

To be fair, Gaza’s faltering reconstruction is not entirely Israel’s fault. Yes, much of it has to do with Israeli restrictions on the import of cement and other products, which Israel continues amid allegations that Hamas uses the cement for terror-related purposes: its attack tunnels.

But six months after donors from all over the globe pledged $3.5 billion in aid, only $945 million has been disbursed. Pledges aside, efforts to rebuild Gaza have been constantly delayed by political quarrels between Hamas and Fatah, and dawdling by donor countries.

So yes, one can’t fault Israelis for having difficulties empathizing with their enemies, but Israel has also constantly claimed that the war wasn’t against the people of Gaza, but against Hamas.

Sadly, even when the Nepal coverage dies down, Israelis will probably still not be interested in the Gaza crisis. How is that possible? Can people truly be selectively compassionate, and if so, are they really compassionate, or are they just fooling themselves and everyone else?

In a week, a month, probably a year, the Gaza crisis will probably still be going strong. Sadly for the people of Gaza, Israel’s sense of compassion begins — and ends — thousands of miles away .

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.654160

Well said Haaretz, telling it like it is about Israel - in Israel.

Nemesis wrote:

Where's the Coverage? Israel Sends More Manpower to Aid Nepal than Any Other Country

Israel frequently sends aid teams to countries hit by natural disasters such as post-earthquake Haiti and tsunami-stricken Japan. Nepal is no different. The Times of Israel reports:

Israel’s aid team to the earthquake-battered Himalayan nation of Nepal is the largest in manpower of any international aid mission.
Over 250 doctors and rescue personnel were part of an IDF delegation that landed Tuesday in the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu, in the wake of Saturday’s magnitude-7.8 earthquake that devastated large swaths of the mountainous country, killing at least 5,000 and leaving some 8,000 wounded and tens of thousands seeking shelter and food.
The Israeli group set up a field hospital with 60 beds that began operations on Wednesday in coordination with the local army hospital.

By comparison, according to the BBC, the United Kingdom has sent “a team of more than 60 search and rescue responders and medical experts” and Time magazine reports that the United States is sending “about 70 American personnel”. Remember, Israel has a population of approximately 8 million. The United States is a nation of roughly 350 million. In that context, the magnitude of Israel’s efforts is even more staggering.
But instead of lauding Israel’s extraordinary response to Nepal’s distress, the mainstream media seeks to cast Israel in a bad light, highlighting of all things the fact that a number of Israeli couples employ Nepalese women as surrogate mothers to carry their children. A Time magazine headline states that “Israel Evacuates Surrogate Babies From Nepal but Leaves the Mothers Behind” although, if a reader managed to make it to the sixth paragraph of the article, he would read that, of the women in Nepal still carrying Israeli babies:

The Israeli Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein said he would allow the most heavily pregnant to be flown to Israel to give birth and outgoing Interior Minister Gilad Erdan promised to remove immigration hurdles for the rest.

Newsweek also chose to highlight the surrogacy issue with its article, “Israel Evacuating Babies Born to Surrogate Mothers in Nepal” as did UPI with “Israel evacuates surrogate babies and their Israeli parents but left behind expectant mothers”.
Worse still, instead of clebrating Israel’s herculean humanitarian efforts in a country half way around the world, as someone who cares about those in need would be expected to do, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, Kenneth Roth, actually tweeted, “Easier to address a far-away humanitarian disaster than the nearby one of Israel's making in Gaza. End the blockade!”
And here’s something else interesting that the media chooses to completely ignore: the commander of Israel’s field hospital in Nepal is a Druze, IDF Colonel Dr. Tarif Bader.
To keep abreast of Israel’s aid efforts in Nepal, follow Libby Weiss, the Head of the IDF Spokesperson’s North American Media Desk, on Twitter. You certainly won’t hear about it from the popular press because… Where’s the coverage?

Israeli soldiers set up a field hospital together with the Nepalese army in Nepal following the deadly earthquake on April 29, 2015. (IDF Spokesperson)


http://blog.camera.org/archives/2015/04/wheres_the_coverage_israel_sen.html

Try reading the part highlighted:

Also


Human Rights Watch’s Disaster Effort


One might think from the name that “Human Rights Watch” is an organization dedicated solely to monitoring human rights conditions around the world. But long-time readers may be familiar with a few examples we have documented that show the organization to be obsessed with bashing Israel and employing individuals with very questionable judgement.
There was the human rights “expert” who enjoyed collecting Nazi memorabilia (and bashing Israel.) There was the Human Rights Watch Director who went on a fund-raising trip to Saudi Arabia (with one of the worst human rights records) and returned to pen a piece for CNN trashing Ariel Sharon — within hours of the death of the former Israeli Prime Minister.
And now — when Israel has rushed a medical team to help the victims of the earthquake in Nepal — comes a Tweet from the current Executive Director:
The obvious fact that there is a partial blockade of Gaza (humanitarian goods are allowed in) because of the terrorist group Hamas’ efforts to rearm is completely lost on Roth. Nor is the fact that Gaza is blockaded by Egypt on one border. No, for the Executive Director of this group — in theory dedicated to fighting human rights abuse — the situation can be summed up in a simple, Twitter-friendly slogan: “End the Blockade!”
But the real outrage is his disdain for Israel’s humanitarian efforts that are saving lives after the earthquake and avalanche. Roth sits in the HRW office in a NYC highrise on Fifth Avenue sending out his demeaning tweets. At the same time, Israelis are on the ground in Nepal, treating the wounded and searching for more bodies in the snow and the ice.
Just who is doing more to protect human rights?
Without a doubt, the media will continue to use Human Rights Watch as a credible source. If you see the group being touted as objective experts in the media you read, contact the news organization and point out that real agenda of HRW.


http://honestreporting.com/human-rights-watchs-disaster-effort/

Yea, PR exercise while inflincting exactly the same sort of pain on Gaza that the earthquake has inflicted on Nepal.

That is down to the Palestinians authorities for the situation they now find themselves in.
3 times they have had the chance of statehood and thrown it away, because as do not want Israel to exist and keep the conflict going. Of course Israel does wrongs to like with the settlements, which I condemn.
But all roads lead back to the first conflict, where if they had recognized Israel, countless hundreds of thousands of Jews and Palestinians would not have been displaced. Thousands would still be alive and the Palestinians would have had a state.
They choose instead aggression, with the act of war. They lost and by rights just like many nations through history they could quite rightly claim lands from beating off attacks by aggressive nations. What does Israel do? They withdraw from Lebanon and Gaza and the Sinai desert. So if you want to look for the root cause blame here, then blame the Palestinian authorities over this time that created all future problems. This is of course using the methodology of blame for the deaths over a conflict stated by your report by the doctors as they claimed on Iraq. Except as seen from an earlier thread this was flawed because it failed to look further back.


http://www.newsfixboard.com/t8983-palestinians-eygptians-jordanians-and-lebanese-responsible-for-all-deaths-in-the-conflict-with-israel-accoding-to-the-methodology-of-psr

Hey ho

Don't be bloody ridiculous.

I have used the methodology of your report on deaths in Iraq as to who is to blame.

Here is the original post:






This is what the PSR report claims is responsible for the Iraq conflict and all those who died according to their methodology:

The Question of Who Are the Perpetrators:
Aside from the number of the victims of a conflict, it is of course also important to know who is responsible for them and to what extent. A priori, of course, those who started the war also carry the main responsibility for all victims. Since the assault on Iraq unequivocally constituted an aggression in violation of interna- tional law, the U.S. and its allies are also responsible for all its consequences.

Now of course they offer very little reason to back up this claim, which to me is what their whole report hinges on, but it leaves the extreme lefties in a right pickle this. As this methodology has to then be applied to all conflicts who start them. This then places Palestinians, Eygptians, Jordanians and Lebanese as responsible for all the deaths up to this present day in the conflicts with Israel. As they started a conflict and the consequences of this conflict are still being played out today. What a dilema for the lefties.

Now of course as seen this methodology is very poor as it fails to factor in many aspects.

1) Saddam had killed over 2 million people during his reign. Even though I do not buy these latest figures that they estimate is the amount that died in Iraq of 1 million (just look at the population growth from Iraqi officals over this time which is constant and increasing, which really questions their estimates) they are left with the problem of how many more would have died if Iraq had not been invaded with Saddam still in control?
Edit:
Sorry just to make clear, 2 million is the estimate for those who died directly or indirectly under Saddam's rule. The 1 million figure then I speak of, is estimate claim by PSR, based on their claim of the war on terror being responsible.

2) The Arab springs would have come to Iraq as they did to other nations, which would have then brought about a civil conflict like we have seen in Syria, as again we would have seen Saudi and Iran funding both Shia's and Sunni's just as they did after Iraq was conventionally beaten. This is a major flaw in the report which fails to factor in the centuries of violence between the two sects. The war on terror is not responsible for the hatred between the two sects and the two nations of Iran and Saudi and is taking away responsibility of where both played the main responsible part in the insurgency. Again many suicide attacks were led against civillians.

3) Now the total numbers of direct deaths due to the Syrian civil war have been estimated at around 200,000 in just four years. Again hundreds of thousand have become refugees and no doubt based on mortality rates in children, others from destitution etc, the total number of indirect deaths would no doubt dramactically increase this number. The number of direct deaths is dwarfing that of the Iraq conflict only after 4 years. Now given the nature of Saddam Hussein and a civil war erupted in Iraq due to the Arab springs as it would most certainly have happened, how many Iraq's would have been killed with indiscrminate killings by him? Now we know of an uprising that had already happened in Iraq in 1991 where it is estimated that between 80,000 and 230,000 people were killed directly, the vast majority civillians, which again does not factor in all the indrirect deaths from the fall out of this insurgency crushed by Saddam and his Ba'ath parrty. Here again it was a Shia led uprising. Now of course some will try to blame this on the Coalition for the First Iraq war, but that falls again, due to Saddam because he invaded Kuwait. You then have the cause for the uprising, which had never really finished to the continuation we see today in Iraq. Then going by the PSR methodology, the cause of the deaths would fall solely on Saddam for invading Kuwait and his surpression of the Iraq people. Here is the main cause which led to everything else. This is why the methodology found in the report is fundementally flawed and leaves the lefties in a pickle as I said if they were to use this methodology with the Israeli conflict. It was Saddams supression of his people and the use of weapons of mass destruction as they did on the Kurds with chemical warfare, that led to sanctions and inspections, which in the end Saddam refused, leading to the 2nd Iraq War. Now people can argue off the most idiotic view on oil, where no contract was ever won by the US in Iraq, but there is little on no evidence to back such an assertion this was the cause of the 2nd Iraq war. The main reason to me , is because Bush clearly thought Saddam was building and operating terrorist training camps in Iraq. He could not go to war off this alone after Afghanistan was invaded, so he had to play on the claims of weapons of Mass destruction. Either way, all roads point back to Saddam and his persecution and murder of countless Iraqi/Iranian/Kurdish people. Saddam would have struggled to contain a second insurgency, even more so with the state of Syria we see today.

Now this clearly points to an earlier cause for the conflict between the Shia's and Sunni's in Iraq which the report has failed to factor in and shows that insurgency was not was not the responsibility of the war on terror but a continuation from this earlier uprising. There is no doubt with the Arab spring which would have fueld the same demonstrations we saw else where in Iraq also. Which Saddam would have no doubt tried to surpress with Iran funding the Shia insurgents and with Syria in the present state we see it in now, Iraq would have been very much the same, if not worse. As seen the evidence from the previous conflict points to this. This is why a mainly bunch of anti-war protesting doctors being as biased that there most certainly are failed to use other experts.


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And? Who flattened Gaza? Who bulldozes homes and digs up the trees in the West Bank. Do stop talking out of your arse, I know you are very fond of it.

Again all down to Hamas, they fir on Israel with unprovoked attacks, commit terrorism, use civilians to defend their weapons.
It is terrible that anyone dies, but its about time you saw where most things start and again the root cause goes all the way back to the Arab nations attacking Israel not wanting it to exist.

Keep talking the tripe and don't actually look at the facts. Now I'm too busy to talk to someone who should be working anyway, I have things to do even if you haven't.

No that is just you disagreeing with me but not actually being able to refute anything I say.


So again, please attempt to refute:












This is what the PSR report claims is responsible for the Iraq conflict and all those who died according to their methodology:

The Question of Who Are the Perpetrators:
Aside from the number of the victims of a conflict, it is of course also important to know who is responsible for them and to what extent. A priori, of course, those who started the war also carry the main responsibility for all victims. Since the assault on Iraq unequivocally constituted an aggression in violation of interna- tional law, the U.S. and its allies are also responsible for all its consequences.

Now of course they offer very little reason to back up this claim, which to me is what their whole report hinges on, but it leaves the extreme lefties in a right pickle this. As this methodology has to then be applied to all conflicts who start them. This then places Palestinians, Eygptians, Jordanians and Lebanese as responsible for all the deaths up to this present day in the conflicts with Israel. As they started a conflict and the consequences of this conflict are still being played out today. What a dilema for the lefties.

Now of course as seen this methodology is very poor as it fails to factor in many aspects.

1) Saddam had killed over 2 million people during his reign. Even though I do not buy these latest figures that they estimate is the amount that died in Iraq of 1 million (just look at the population growth from Iraqi officals over this time which is constant and increasing, which really questions their estimates) they are left with the problem of how many more would have died if Iraq had not been invaded with Saddam still in control?
Edit:
Sorry just to make clear, 2 million is the estimate for those who died directly or indirectly under Saddam's rule. The 1 million figure then I speak of, is estimate claim by PSR, based on their claim of the war on terror being responsible.

2) The Arab springs would have come to Iraq as they did to other nations, which would have then brought about a civil conflict like we have seen in Syria, as again we would have seen Saudi and Iran funding both Shia's and Sunni's just as they did after Iraq was conventionally beaten. This is a major flaw in the report which fails to factor in the centuries of violence between the two sects. The war on terror is not responsible for the hatred between the two sects and the two nations of Iran and Saudi and is taking away responsibility of where both played the main responsible part in the insurgency. Again many suicide attacks were led against civillians.

3) Now the total numbers of direct deaths due to the Syrian civil war have been estimated at around 200,000 in just four years. Again hundreds of thousand have become refugees and no doubt based on mortality rates in children, others from destitution etc, the total number of indirect deaths would no doubt dramactically increase this number. The number of direct deaths is dwarfing that of the Iraq conflict only after 4 years. Now given the nature of Saddam Hussein and a civil war erupted in Iraq due to the Arab springs as it would most certainly have happened, how many Iraq's would have been killed with indiscrminate killings by him? Now we know of an uprising that had already happened in Iraq in 1991 where it is estimated that between 80,000 and 230,000 people were killed directly, the vast majority civillians, which again does not factor in all the indrirect deaths from the fall out of this insurgency crushed by Saddam and his Ba'ath parrty. Here again it was a Shia led uprising. Now of course some will try to blame this on the Coalition for the First Iraq war, but that falls again, due to Saddam because he invaded Kuwait. You then have the cause for the uprising, which had never really finished to the continuation we see today in Iraq. Then going by the PSR methodology, the cause of the deaths would fall solely on Saddam for invading Kuwait and his surpression of the Iraq people. Here is the main cause which led to everything else. This is why the methodology found in the report is fundementally flawed and leaves the lefties in a pickle as I said if they were to use this methodology with the Israeli conflict. It was Saddams supression of his people and the use of weapons of mass destruction as they did on the Kurds with chemical warfare, that led to sanctions and inspections, which in the end Saddam refused, leading to the 2nd Iraq War. Now people can argue off the most idiotic view on oil, where no contract was ever won by the US in Iraq, but there is little on no evidence to back such an assertion this was the cause of the 2nd Iraq war. The main reason to me , is because Bush clearly thought Saddam was building and operating terrorist training camps in Iraq. He could not go to war off this alone after Afghanistan was invaded, so he had to play on the claims of weapons of Mass destruction. Either way, all roads point back to Saddam and his persecution and murder of countless Iraqi/Iranian/Kurdish people. Saddam would have struggled to contain a second insurgency, even more so with the state of Syria we see today.

Now this clearly points to an earlier cause for the conflict between the Shia's and Sunni's in Iraq which the report has failed to factor in and shows that insurgency was not was not the responsibility of the war on terror but a continuation from this earlier uprising. There is no doubt with the Arab spring which would have fueld the same demonstrations we saw else where in Iraq also. Which Saddam would have no doubt tried to surpress with Iran funding the Shia insurgents and with Syria in the present state we see it in now, Iraq would have been very much the same, if not worse. As seen the evidence from the previous conflict points to this. This is why a mainly bunch of anti-war protesting doctors being as biased that there most certainly are failed to use other experts.




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We will now get endless posts about the "naughty things Israel has supposedly done.

Criminal things Israel does, against international law.

So does does the Palestinians every time they fire a rocket, yet you choose to constantly ignore that. It is they who start and continue the conflicts. I mean all you have to ask yourself is why have they never agreed to UN council resolution 242?


(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."


So why is it with the best proposal above for Peace the Palestinian authorities in the PLO flatly turned this down?
The reason? They will not except Israel having a right to exist.


I do not ignore that Israel has done wrong, of which you do constantly with wrongs done by some of the Palestinians, even more so their leadership. But all of this could have been avoided if the Palestinians and other Arab nations had recognized the nations rights to exist in the first place. This is why they want to continue the conflict, they want to have more wars. Ensuring more civilian casualties by placing weapons in schools and by hospitals. So they can gain maximum publicity from this to sway people against Israel.
If I am wrong, then why at every turn have the Palestinian authorities denied themselves peace and statehood, when they have had the chance? .

Nemesis wrote:

Where's the Coverage? Israel Sends More Manpower to Aid Nepal than Any Other Country

Israel frequently sends aid teams to countries hit by natural disasters such as post-earthquake Haiti and tsunami-stricken Japan. Nepal is no different. The Times of Israel reports:

Israel’s aid team to the earthquake-battered Himalayan nation of Nepal is the largest in manpower of any international aid mission.
Over 250 doctors and rescue personnel were part of an IDF delegation that landed Tuesday in the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu, in the wake of Saturday’s magnitude-7.8 earthquake that devastated large swaths of the mountainous country, killing at least 5,000 and leaving some 8,000 wounded and tens of thousands seeking shelter and food.
The Israeli group set up a field hospital with 60 beds that began operations on Wednesday in coordination with the local army hospital.

By comparison, according to the BBC, the United Kingdom has sent “a team of more than 60 search and rescue responders and medical experts” and Time magazine reports that the United States is sending “about 70 American personnel”. Remember, Israel has a population of approximately 8 million. The United States is a nation of roughly 350 million. In that context, the magnitude of Israel’s efforts is even more staggering.
But instead of lauding Israel’s extraordinary response to Nepal’s distress, the mainstream media seeks to cast Israel in a bad light, highlighting of all things the fact that a number of Israeli couples employ Nepalese women as surrogate mothers to carry their children. A Time magazine headline states that “Israel Evacuates Surrogate Babies From Nepal but Leaves the Mothers Behind” although, if a reader managed to make it to the sixth paragraph of the article, he would read that, of the women in Nepal still carrying Israeli babies:

The Israeli Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein said he would allow the most heavily pregnant to be flown to Israel to give birth and outgoing Interior Minister Gilad Erdan promised to remove immigration hurdles for the rest.

Newsweek also chose to highlight the surrogacy issue with its article, “Israel Evacuating Babies Born to Surrogate Mothers in Nepal” as did UPI with “Israel evacuates surrogate babies and their Israeli parents but left behind expectant mothers”.
Worse still, instead of clebrating Israel’s herculean humanitarian efforts in a country half way around the world, as someone who cares about those in need would be expected to do, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, Kenneth Roth, actually tweeted, “Easier to address a far-away humanitarian disaster than the nearby one of Israel's making in Gaza. End the blockade!”
And here’s something else interesting that the media chooses to completely ignore: the commander of Israel’s field hospital in Nepal is a Druze, IDF Colonel Dr. Tarif Bader.
To keep abreast of Israel’s aid efforts in Nepal, follow Libby Weiss, the Head of the IDF Spokesperson’s North American Media Desk, on Twitter. You certainly won’t hear about it from the popular press because… Where’s the coverage?

Israeli soldiers set up a field hospital together with the Nepalese army in Nepal following the deadly earthquake on April 29, 2015. (IDF Spokesperson)


http://blog.camera.org/archives/2015/04/wheres_the_coverage_israel_sen.html

Israel are miserable when it comes foreign aid. It's dwarfed by UK aid both in monetary value and proportionally as well. Our aid is far more widespread across the globe so our resources cover a far wider range of needs.

Wow is that your whole argument based on when natural disasters happen and Israel puts the UK to shame in regards to the help it has provided?
Very poor counter chap, you really must try and do better.

ISRAEL hasn't given any "foreign aid"...

THE SIMPLE reason that Israel isn't listed as a donor country is fundamentally because the Israeli government itself HASN'T had to put any of it's own funds into foreign aid ==>  the charities in the articles that Didge has posted are actually American-based charities !!!

AND HENCE those charities are listed as US donors ~ the simple fact is that the Israeli government has done fuck-all..  That Israeli army rescue and medical corps may be delivering that aid [according to those photo's included with Didge's quotes..] is neither here nor there ~ the truth remains that their efforts are funded by American Jews.

NO Israeli funding is involved. THAT'S why Didgeri' won't find Israel listed among the donor's !  NOT now;  not ever..
DIDGE really does need to move beyond relying on his Zionist bloggers, and looking further afield once in a while..

Lone Wolf wrote:

ISRAEL hasn't given any "foreign aid"...

THE SIMPLE reason that Israel isn't listed as a donor country is fundamentally because the Israeli government itself HASN'T had to put any of it's own funds into foreign aid ==>  the charities in the articles that Didge has posted are actually American-based charities !!!

AND HENCE those charities are listed as US donors ~ the simple fact is that the Israeli government has done fuck-all..  That Israeli army rescue and medical corps may be delivering that aid [according to those photo's included with Didge's quotes..] is neither here nor there ~ the truth remains that their efforts are funded by American Jews.

NO Israeli funding is involved. THAT'S why Didgeri' won't find Israel listed among the donor's !  NOT now;  not ever..
DIDGE really does need to move beyond relying on his Zionist bloggers, and looking further afield once in a while..

You really are one clueless individual, they sent a complete field hospital within the first day, complete with a medical team of over 200 people. This was from Israel.
So another Jew hating lefty, ignores the facts and just makes things up as he goes along.




Israel ranks high in humanitarian aid to Nepal after earthquake

The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs published figures for humanitarian aid extended to Nepal following the powerful earthquake which struck on April 25, 2015. The figures are as of April 29/30, reflecting the immediate international response to the disaster - both foreign medical personnel and urban search and rescue (USAR) teams. Israel appears prominently in both categories.

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Aid/Pages/Israel-ranks-high-in-humanitarian-aid-to-Nepal-after-earthquake.aspx

Nemesis wrote:Wow is that your whole argument based on when natural disasters happen and Israel puts the UK to shame in regards to the help it has provided?
Very poor counter chap, you really must try and do better.

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing that. Humanitarian aid to Nepal from this country is there all the time 365 days a year not just when a natural disaster happens and the eyes of the world are focussed on what is happening now. British humanitarian aid workers are there on the ground all the time from countless NGO organisations supporting the Nepalese people with funds from our foreign aid budget and donations from the people of this country. Britain is already the highest donor of funds to the appeal from all the countries involved in the need for assistance. And the 90 odd humanitarian aid people going out there supported by equipment and supplies is in addition to all that and there will be more on the way.

This country set up an Emergency Aid Base in Nepal designed exactly for this type of situation simply because Kathmandu is considered one of the highest risk areas in the world for a possible earthquake and all  paid for by the people of the United Kingdom.



You should be proud of what this country has been doing instead of trying to claim we have been shamed by Israel in the humanitarian aid we supply to Nepal.
Just one example here of dozens of UK based charitable work undertaken by people from this country.

http://btckstorage.blob.core.windows.net/site8721/newsletter%20feb%202014%2015-2-14.doc

And I’ll treat you last comment with the contempt it deserves because this is a huge humanitarian disaster not something to use to try and score petty little point like you have just done in your reply.

That has to be the most idiotic point made by an idiotic person.
I am not ashamed of anything
Israel when this disaster happened put all western nations to shame on the help they gave, there is no denying this except to someone like yourself. There maybe plenty of reasons why Israel a nation surrounded by enemies cannot afford to offer all year round help and yet when it comes down to disasters it does.
So your line of thinking is at best idiotic
After all that, your hatred of Israeli's, will not allow you to praise them here for the help they gave, which is no surprise really, which easily exposes your hatred.

POOR OL' Didge  !!!

STILL doesn't want to face up to the simple truth ~ that the Israeli government doesn't pay out   the large amounts that he claims;  but simply channels the largely-US raised charity funds to pay for it's disaster relief efforts..

NO MATTER how Dodger tries to spin it, the truth remains the same :
* Israel doesn't appear on the "foreign aid" donor lists simply because the Israeli government ISN'T seen to be putting it's hand into it's own pockets;
* Israel's economy is smaller than that of either NSW or Victoria ~ IF they were ever asked to support these disaster relief efforts out of their own Government budget it simply wouldn't eventuate..

HERE are just some of the US-based charities that help to fund those Israeli efforts :

The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
https://secure3.convio.net/jdc/site/Donation2;jsessionid=D0715AB1BED209D1DD9FBF7CFEAE791F.app332a?df_id=4102&4102.donation=form1
The New York-based nonprofit is providing medical assistance through aid workers traveling from India to Nepal.
@TheJDC on Twitter.

Jewish Federations of North America
https://secure-fedweb.jewishfederations.org/page/contribute/nepal-relief-fund
The coalition of Jewish federations and communities focuses on rebuilding and improving infrastructure after natural and man-made disasters. In Nepal, the groups are working to determine what survivors’ immediate needs are, and plan to send emergency supplies that will arrive by Tuesday.
@jfederations on Twitter.

American Jewish World Service
https://secure.ajws.org
The organization, which is dedicated to fighting for human rights and against poverty, is raising money to distribute to aid organizations in the hardest-hit areas of Nepal.
@ajws on Twitter.

At no point have I made out about Israel's contribution towards aid, but how it helps out in disasters, which it seems the left again have a meltdown over and cannot praise Israel for the great help it did in this disaster.
I mean if ever anyone wanted to see discrimination and racism at its best you are witnessing this from two lefty clowns.

So I thank you both for proving my point right


As the Nepal death toll passed 7,000, the search for Or Asraf came to a grim end as searchers found the 22-year-old Israeli’s body on a mountainside. Due to difficult terrain and weather, efforts to retrieve the body will begin tomorrow. Asraf was the only Israeli fatality in Nepal.
Israel also announced it would adopt a Nepalese village to rehabilitate. One member of the IDF rescue mission, Dr. Ariel Bar, shared his observations of the crisis.

Here’s a by the numbers look at Israel’s relief efforts in Nepal. An IDF search and rescue team is returning, as is the field hospital (source: Jerusalem Post).
10: days the field hospital was in operation
150: field hospital staff
60: beds
1,600: patients treated
85: operations performed
8: babies delivered
332: buildings scanned by Israelis for stability
605: Israeli safety courses given to Nepalese
7,900: Nepalese death toll
519,000: homes damaged or destroyed
3 million: Nepalese living in tents
$2 billion: cost of reconstruction’s “first stage”



http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Nepal-expresses-deep-gratitude-to-Israel-as-emergency-teams-prepare-to-return-home-402609