Yep, that's racism!

Yahoo News wrote:Missouri town responds to officer exodus after election of black female mayor

A small city in Missouri caught national attention when roughly half of its employees resigned following the election of its first African-American female mayor.

Many news outlets and bloggers have speculated that racism and sexism drove the exodus in Parma, a city of about 700 near the Mississippi River; whereas several residents say other factors were at play.

Mayor Tyus Byrd, 40, who beat longtime incumbent Randall Ramsey, has not yet released a formal statement on the controversy, but did address it briefly after being sworn in last week.

“Moving forward, I’ll get with the board. I’ll speak here in a little bit,” she told KFVS-TV, “and we’ll talk and discuss those issues that have taken place today. And we’ll try to get things in order for the city.”

The local CBS affiliate reported that three full-time cops and two part-time cops — five of the city’s six officers — quit without notice. Several other officials, including the city attorney and city clerk, also resigned.

Nelvia Donaldson, an African-American alderman in Parma, thinks bigotry is behind the departures that followed Ramsey’s defeat, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

“I think it’s about being a woman and being black,” she told the paper. “He (Ramsey) thought he had it in the bag.”

Rich Medley, a former assistant police chief, on the other hand, said to the Post-Dispatch that he resigned out of fear that he would not be allowed to do his job properly.

He said the town’s officers had several run-ins with members of Byrd’s family.

“Rather than put my life in danger more than I do now on a daily basis, I decided to walk away,” Medley said.

Ramsey told KFVS-TV that the departures were over “safety concerns,” but none of the resignation letters have been made public.

Parma resident Martha Miller, who campaigned for Byrd, does not think the resignations have to do with race, but she disagrees with how they happened.

“I think it’s pretty dirty they all quit without giving her a chance. But I don’t think they hurt the town any by quitting, because who needs six police for 740 people,” she told KFVS-TV.

“There was absolutely no racism that had anything to do with this,” Barry Aycock, a white former alderman, said to The Associated Press. “We had an election, it’s over, and we’re all supporting the new mayor and moving forward.”

Lisa Kirk, 58, who owns a convenience store in Parma, was surprised that the town even had six people on its police force.

“There was never police around in town,” she told the wire service. “We have no idea where the six officers worked or who they are. If they did work, I don’t know where they were.”

Kirk said her shop has been burglarized nine times over the past decade.

One thing’s for sure: Byrd has attracted a lot of supporters on social media since the story broke.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


So you have lived through a war torn conflict where two armies are fighting each other throughout the UK?
Do not say the IRA, as that is terrorism.
So how could you possible be able to look at their situation having never experienced this?
The fact is hardship is a normality for them, so what you see as a terrible life of which I agree it certainly is for them from our perspective. How they live daily is again terrible but normality to them. You do realise for centuries, wars have happened even in this country and people still had children.


Enjoyed the debate Rags and thanks, but again I fear it is just going around in circles

Cheers

I wasn't going to mention the IRA. I don't think the activities of the IRA are really comparable, as abhorrent as they were.

I think you just confirmed what I said earlier - that they may well not think their lives are that bad. Cheers for that.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I wasn't going to mention the IRA. I don't think the activities of the IRA are really comparable, as abhorrent as they were.

I think you just confirmed what I said earlier - that they may well not think their lives are that bad. Cheers for that.

Eh?

So now what is normal for them is now you judging it must not be bad?
They can still see their life as bad and still find it normal.
Sorry I did not confirm anything. Its normal for a blind person who has been for 5 years to not be able to see, that is now normal to them. It certainly is not good they cannot see and they have to adjust to their lives, just as people do in war torn countries. It still means their lives are very harsh.

Cheers

Irn Bru wrote:All Quill appears to be saying is that here in the UK we don’t experience anything like the racism they experience in the USA where it is embedded into the very core of much of their society - particularly in the deep South. He has lived it and seen it closer than we have and I doubt many of us ever will and maybe that’s why he see’s it the way he does in that in the USA much of it is hostility towards whites rather than outright racism.

His views on British education may be a bit far-fetched but he is not alone in that. Even our own Tory leaders have told us (incorrectly) that education standards have plummeted over the last decade. We also had the Tesco boss saying that new employee’s coming to them have had to have further work done on them before they can be presented to their customers as the face of Tesco. Just how laughable is that given to what the executives have done to the Tesco business over the last year or so.

Quill has been around these boards for several years now and has seen many posters rip into the education standards here in the UK so maybe he has been heavily influenced by all that.

There is no excuse for racism and I have experienced that on this very board by a recently departed member who posted this...

Brasidas wrote wrote:   Traitors normally tend to be Scots so this is no surprise.  

That is the worst example of racism that I have seen written on this board and it was directed at me personally. There is absolutely no excuse for that - it’s downright insulting and coming from a UK citizen makes it even worse.

Sorry, but a campaign to demonise and marginalise a poster in the way it’s being done on here and branding this forum as a site which encourages racism is quite sad and pathetic really.

My, my…well, this chap Walter Scott must have done something, because a police officer can only be enforcing the law.

Original Quill wrote:

Since I have arrived on the scene (I forgot the name of the site) several years ago, now, I have been saying that the British have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  This is what has led me to question your education system.  You have no idea the cruelty, depravity, deceit, brutality, sadism, ignorance and pure evil that is racism, in its unadulterated form.  You sit in your drawing rooms in Chelsea on a June morning, warm breeze wafting in off the garden, and read the Times and say:

My, my…well, this chap Walter Scott must have done something, because a police officer can only be enforcing the law.

Yes, you are privileged…but it’s more than economic graphs and charts.  They very idea of discussing such things in such a rarefied atmosphere is absurd.  Y’all have no idea how out-of-place that scene is…that’s why I say you have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  And you RW'ers, who think you are so tough and mean on the subject, you're not even close to an average southerner in the US.  I"m here to say: based upon what I have seen in the US, I am not remotely impressed.  You are wimps.

I do find it interesting that so many of you resist that notion….and so vociferously.  Musta gotten to you all...and that's a good thing!

Raggamuffin wrote:...........................

I really don't know where all this has come from anyway. The thread is supposed to be about racism in the US, not a comparison of Britain with every other place in the world.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Very well said Nemesis, and that's the crux of what I've been saying the whole time here.

Rags, people may not compare themselves to others in other countries, but that doesn't change the fact they are privileged by comparison, I'm notbtalking about whether people 'feel' privileged or not. And of course relative to richer people they are not privileged, but the average person in Britain is still better placed than most in the world.

Would it be fair to say then that Americans are also privileged, and that includes black Americans? If you're going to say that a whole nation is privileged, you have to include every citizen.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Since I have arrived on the scene (I forgot the name of the site) several years ago, now, I have been saying that the British have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  This is what has led me to question your education system.  You have no idea the cruelty, depravity, deceit, brutality, sadism, ignorance and pure evil that is racism, in its unadulterated form.  You sit in your drawing rooms in Chelsea on a June morning, warm breeze wafting in off the garden, and read the Times and say:



Yes, you are privileged…but it’s more than economic graphs and charts.  They very idea of discussing such things in such a rarefied atmosphere is absurd.  Y’all have no idea how out-of-place that scene is…that’s why I say you have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  And you RW'ers, who think you are so tough and mean on the subject, you're not even close to an average southerner in the US.  I"m here to say: based upon what I have seen in the US, I am not remotely impressed.  You are wimps.

I do find it interesting that so many of you resist that notion….and so vociferously.  Musta gotten to you all...and that's a good thing!

What do you think the education system in the UK should include re racism then? If you have education about it in the US, it doesn't seem to be doing much good, according to you.

It's my view that constantly drawing attention to the "wrongs" of white people, and the "victimisation" of black people just keeps it all going.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Would it be fair to say then that Americans are also privileged, and that includes black Americans? If you're going to say that a whole nation is privileged, you have to include every citizen.

This is a very good point...and one I have considered before.  I would have to say that black Americans are privileged to the extent they are compared to impoverished people in Africa and Asia.

But then, your bringing this up Raggs only serves to highlight the discrimination that racism creates.  If blacks are so privileged, why don't they live in the grand mansions of Beverly Hills and Westport?  How come those are all white people?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What do you think the education system in the UK should include re racism then? If you have education about it in the US, it doesn't seem to be doing much good, according to you.

It's my view that constantly drawing attention to the "wrongs" of white people, and the "victimisation" of black people just keeps it all going.

The British education shouldn't be so superficial and 25-years behind the times.  I think  you are finally seeing now--with all the cop shootings--what it's like to be black in America.  Your life--forget your stocks and bonds--isn't worth shit as a black in America.

Raggamuffin wrote:So anyway, the Parma Police Chief, Trish Cohen, has said that she resigned because she didn't think that the new Mayor, Tyus Byrd, supported the police force. She also said that she had negative experiences with Tyus Byrd's family, and didn't feel safe. The Assistant Police Chief, Rich Medley, says that he heard she was going to fire the police anyway so he preferred to leave.

Tyus Byrd herself has said that she doesn't think the resignations were racially motivated.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/race-not-reason-worker-resigntations-parma-missouri-police-chief-n346361

So then, is the title of this thread misleading?

Raggamuffin wrote:Any more comments on the story you posted Quill?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Any more comments on the story you posted Quill?

No, I haven't seen any.  As you pointed out, it's only a small town.  But it is so illustrative: rural, southern town, don't want to be seen in the same political apparatus if a black gets in.  Rather like the situation of blacks moving into the neighborhood.  Remember that?  Eh...you would it you were American.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The British education shouldn't be so superficial and 25-years behind the times.  I think  you are finally seeing now--with all the cop shootings--what it's like to be black in America.  Your life--forget your stocks and bonds--isn't worth shit as a black in America.

Cops shoot white people as well apparently. Perhaps not in proportion to the number of white people in the US, but maybe not so many white people run away from the police. Why do people do that? They must know it's a good way to get shot over there.

I don't get the reference to stocks and bonds.

Why should the UK have an education system to address something that isn't that much of an issue? Of course there is racism here but not the extent that you claim happens in the US.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

This is a very good point...and one I have considered before.  I would have to say that black Americans are privileged to the extent they are compared to impoverished people in Africa and Asia.

But then, your bringing this up Raggs only serves to highlight the discrimination that racism creates.  If blacks are so privileged, why don't they live in the grand mansions of Beverly Hills and Westport?  How come those are all white people?

How do you know they're all white? Perhaps black people don't choose to live there. It's not as if all white people in the US live there, or could afford to live there, is it?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Since I have arrived on the scene (I forgot the name of the site) several years ago, now, I have been saying that the British have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  This is what has led me to question your education system.  You have no idea the cruelty, depravity, deceit, brutality, sadism, ignorance and pure evil that is racism, in its unadulterated form.  You sit in your drawing rooms in Chelsea on a June morning, warm breeze wafting in off the garden, and read the Times and say:



Yes, you are privileged…but it’s more than economic graphs and charts.  They very idea of discussing such things in such a rarefied atmosphere is absurd.  Y’all have no idea how out-of-place that scene is…that’s why I say you have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  And you RW'ers, who think you are so tough and mean on the subject, you're not even close to an average southerner in the US.  I"m here to say: based upon what I have seen in the US, I am not remotely impressed.  You are wimps.

I do find it interesting that so many of you resist that notion….and so vociferously.  Musta gotten to you all...and that's a good thing!

What do you think the education system in the UK should include re racism then? If you have education about it in the US, it doesn't seem to be doing much good, according to you.

It's my view that constantly drawing attention to the "wrongs" of white people, and the "victimisation" of black people just keeps it all going.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cops shoot white people as well apparently. Perhaps not in proportion to the number of white people in the US, but maybe not so many white people run away from the police. Why do people do that? They must know it's a good way to get shot over there.

I don't get the reference to stocks and bonds.

Why should the UK have an education system to address something that isn't that much of an issue? Of course there is racism here but not the extent that you claim happens in the US.

OMG noooooooo.....  Cops don't shoot white people.  Do you know how much trouble they would get into if they did?

Don't forget, I taught police in the Arizona Academy, in Tucson.  I know them.  They are exposed to a very authoritarian world.  One of the ways they tell salt from pepper, right from wrong, good from evil, in their world is by the race of the suspect.  My god...a cop had better have a damn good case for shooting a white.  He might turn out to be on the City Council.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

How do you know they're all white? Perhaps black people don't choose to live there. It's not as if all white people in the US live there, or could afford to live there, is it?

Yes, but what is likely...what you can bank on...is that the blacks live in the ghettos and whites do not.  Wherever you go, at whatever level, you can depend on the fact that the whites will have the better of it.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What do you think the education system in the UK should include re racism then? If you have education about it in the US, it doesn't seem to be doing much good, according to you.

It's my view that constantly drawing attention to the "wrongs" of white people, and the "victimisation" of black people just keeps it all going.

Rags he is again just making up nonsense in regards to our education system let alonge how we actually tackle racism which is far less of a problem is the UK than it is in America. I expanded earlier to many reasons why this is the case in America. The problem you get with the likes of Quill in his views on racism, is that they are very blinkered and even worse he has only really looked at racism in America and not elsewhere, why he was unaware of the racism now found in Southern Africa to whites and how racism takes many forms.What he is presentiing is some factors for racism in the US, but he is failing to basically understand racism itself.
WE have had a history of groups being blamed and stigmatized, examples of this are the Catholics, Asians, Blacks, Irish, Muslims. It is easier to aim frustrations and porblems at a group and why it still continues to this day, because sadly people need to blame others

The whole problem where there is such a huges disparity between whites and Blacks and even wider on Native American Indians, the most persecuted group of people in the US, who have little self determination, is that groups like the Native Indians get relegated to the bottom.
A recent report to the US from the UN highlights this:


http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/09/u-n-report-chastises-u-s-for-status-of-native-population/

So its a combination of many factors why racism exists in Amereica.

As to our education system.
Well we are second in the EU and the 6th best system in the world:



The UK is in second place among European countries and sixth overall in a global education league table.
South Korea is top, with three other Asian countries and Finland making up the top five, in rankings from education and publishing firm, Pearson.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27314075


So where might I ask is the US placed?

17th, way down the list and for a very wealthy nation it shows clear problems within that education system


Hence why Quill (as seen has no humility for his poor claim to be Brits being inferior in education) is nopt offing you any credible views as to the British having a poor education system and where even worse he claimed the people were also inferior.
As seen the British nation has far less racism that the US does, it also has a far better education system.

Quill may make some valid points now and again, but here most was subjective and failing provide a credible view point.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:


OMG noooooooo.....  Cops don't shoot white people.  Do you know how much trouble they would get into if they did?

Don't forget, I taught police in the Arizona Academy, in Tucson.  I know them.  They are exposed to a very authoritarian world.  One of the ways they tell salt from pepper, right from wrong, good from evil, in their world is by the race of the suspect.  My god...a cop had better have a damn good case for shooting a white.  He might turn out to be on the City Council.

I think you'll find they do shoot white people. You should check your facts.

By the way, do you think that the term "black hole" is racist?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, but what is likely...what you can bank on...is that the blacks live in the ghettos and whites do not.  Wherever you go, at whatever level, you can depend on the fact that the whites will have the better of it.

Even if that's true, how do you prove that's because of racism and discrimination?

Tommy Monk wrote:"...Cops shoot white people as well apparently. Perhaps not in proportion to the number of white people in the US, but maybe not so many white people run away from the police. Why do people do that? They must know it's a good way to get shot over there..."

Tommy Monk wrote:Good point, well made!

Tommy Monk wrote:If you ain't doin nothing wrong, you ain't gonna be fighting against the police and trying running away.

USA Today wrote:Freddie Gray, 25, of Baltimore, died Sunday at a hospital, a week after he was hurt following an arrest. A timeline released earlier in the week by police said Gray was taken by a van from the scene to a station, where an ambulance was called to treat him and take him to the University of Maryland R Adams Cowley Shock Trauma Center. Civilian video showed him being loaded into the van, but did not show the entire encounter.

Tommy Monk wrote:The police have guns and are entitled to use them, you all know that and by fighting and running you are making yourself a legitimate target.

Tommy Monk wrote:"...Yes, but what is likely...what you can bank on...is that the blacks live in the ghettos and whites do not.  Wherever you go, at whatever level, you can depend on the fact that the whites will have the better of it...."

The black areas are shit because of The way the blacks in those areas make it.

Tommy Monk wrote:If more blacks actualy respected law and order in those areas and actually became police officers there then I'm sure there would be a shit load ed more black police officers shooting other blacks who thought it was a good idea to fight back against arrest and try running.

Tommy Monk wrote:What about the pygmies...!!!???

http://www.revleft.com/vb/enslavement-and-repression-t185166/index.html?s=0364ffbf5d0746e0a2aef7c8b5f99c89&

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Since I have arrived on the scene (I forgot the name of the site) several years ago, now, I have been saying that the British have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  This is what has led me to question your education system.  You have no idea the cruelty, depravity, deceit, brutality, sadism, ignorance and pure evil that is racism, in its unadulterated form.  You sit in your drawing rooms in Chelsea on a June morning, warm breeze wafting in off the garden, and read the Times and say:

My, my…well, this chap Walter Scott must have done something, because a police officer can only be enforcing the law.

Yes, you are privileged…but it’s more than economic graphs and charts.  They very idea of discussing such things in such a rarefied atmosphere is absurd.  Y’all have no idea how out-of-place that scene is…that’s why I say you have a ‘wimp’ understanding of racism.  And you RW'ers, who think you are so tough and mean on the subject, you're not even close to an average southerner in the US.  I"m here to say: based upon what I have seen in the US, I am not remotely impressed.  You are wimps.

I do find it interesting that so many of you resist that notion….and so vociferously.  Musta gotten to you all...and that's a good thing!

What do you think the education system in the UK should include re racism then? If you have education about it in the US, it doesn't seem to be doing much good, according to you.

It's my view that constantly drawing attention to the "wrongs" of white people, and the "victimisation" of black people just keeps it all going.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What do you think the education system in the UK should include re racism then? If you have education about it in the US, it doesn't seem to be doing much good, according to you.

It's my view that constantly drawing attention to the "wrongs" of white people, and the "victimisation" of black people just keeps it all going.

I agree raggs

Like I keep saying, it feel like this forum in particular, likes to beat itself over and over again about how bad whites are and how racist we are.

Truth is? You're less racist if you stop pretending you don't see race!

Wiki wrote:Caliban, a villainous island native, the deformed son of a witch named Sycorax (see below), who ruled the island before Prospero arrived. He now works as Prospero's slave but despises him. In the play, he is known to have spoken many colorful curses, an example being, "a southwest wind blow on ye and blister ye o'er".

Cliffs wrote:As he did in many of his plays, Shakespeare uses The Tempest to ask questions about how well society and nature intersect. Most of the characters in this play exist in a civilized world, although certainly not all of them are civilized. Caliban, though, is referred to several times as a "natural man." What then does it mean in Elizabethan society to be a natural man, to exist as a natural man, as Caliban exists?

Caliban serves to illustrate ideas about the social hierarchy of the Renaissance world, which formulated a socially rigid — and very political — hierarchy of God, king, man, woman, beast. This order was based on the patriarchal tradition and the teachings of religious leaders, which postulate a hierarchical order for mankind based on physiological and physical characteristics. Other means of defining a place within this order were emotional stability and the ability to reason. Based on these definitions, beasts were lower in the evolutionary scale than all humans. According to this rather rigid social hierarchy, Caliban belongs at the bottom of the Elizabethan social hierarchy, having little perceived social worth. And yet, for many critics and students, he dominates The Tempest.

Tommy Monk wrote:Read a bit of the links on The pygmies.


Blacks enslaved them, persecuted them and even ate them.


Pygmies are a distinct race as are others so stop talking bollocks that there is no such thing as race.

Original Quill wrote:Which is why I have said the US is a racist nation, at its core.  It's not just blacks, true, although they are the most extreme example.  Did you ever notice how easy it was to drop the first and only nuclear weapon upon another race?  I doubt we would ever have done such a thing on Europe's Germany.  

Racial awareness has always been with us, but something happened in Britain in the 16th and 17th centuries (when America was British) to culturally codify racism.  It began with the preoccupation with who is the "noble savage"...whether the Native American or African?  

At this time the whole world was opening up to explorations of: geography (Stanley), evolution (Darwin), taxonomy (Linnaeus), paleontology (Cuvier), biology (Mendel) and physics (Newton), and it fit that there was an interest of these new frontiers. Shakespeare wrote a whole play about the noble savage in The Tempest, Caliban.  Pay particular attention to how Shakespeare attaches good and evil in Caliban:

Wiki wrote:Caliban, a villainous island native, the deformed son of a witch named Sycorax (see below), who ruled the island before Prospero arrived. He now works as Prospero's slave but despises him. In the play, he is known to have spoken many colorful curses, an example being, "a southwest wind blow on ye and blister ye o'er".

And Cliffs analyzes it perhaps more deeply:

Cliffs wrote:As he did in many of his plays, Shakespeare uses The Tempest to ask questions about how well society and nature intersect. Most of the characters in this play exist in a civilized world, although certainly not all of them are civilized. Caliban, though, is referred to several times as a "natural man." What then does it mean in Elizabethan society to be a natural man, to exist as a natural man, as Caliban exists?

Caliban serves to illustrate ideas about the social hierarchy of the Renaissance world, which formulated a socially rigid — and very political — hierarchy of God, king, man, woman, beast. This order was based on the patriarchal tradition and the teachings of religious leaders, which postulate a hierarchical order for mankind based on physiological and physical characteristics. Other means of defining a place within this order were emotional stability and the ability to reason. Based on these definitions, beasts were lower in the evolutionary scale than all humans. According to this rather rigid social hierarchy, Caliban belongs at the bottom of the Elizabethan social hierarchy, having little perceived social worth. And yet, for many critics and students, he dominates The Tempest.

You can see Britain struggling to fit the natural man into civilization.  One problem was to find an economic outlet for him, and slavery on cash cropping enterprises (sugar, tobacco and cotton) was one answer.  Under this view, slavery is not even the predominant issue; hierarchy came before.  And we never did shed our notions of the hierarchy, did we?

All very interesting, but to your point eds, you keep seeing in these discussions: " how bad whites are and how racist we are."  Maybe you are reading this vein into the discussion because you feel guilty, where otherwise you escape these feelings of guilt.  There's something of that in all of us.

The problem is, that doesn't help solve the problem.  Guilt is most often only prolonged indecision.  What are we indecisive about?  We don't want to give up our gains in the social hierarchy, but we know that we won't be happy until we do.  I said earlier, African American racism is wholly within the white race.  Absent the racism this whole social and cultural nausea goes away.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Read a bit of the links on The pygmies.

Blacks enslaved them, persecuted them and even ate them.

Pygmies are a distinct race as are others so stop talking bollocks that there is no such thing as race.

DESPITE the rest of us knowing that there are NO "races" within the human species ~ HERE we see the spineless and clueless no-brains Tommy M. decreeing that he knows better than all science ~ declaring here above, once and for all, that all biology, genetics, anthropology and archeaology a lot of "bollocks"...

NOT ONLY has Tommy M. once again proved himself to be the most stupid and ignorant anti-scientific neo-nazi racist on this site; BUT even Victor, nicko and nemesis won't be able to defend their old friend Tommy over his latest racist and fascist blunder here !

I did read it, last night in fact, when you posted it.

But re-read my last three paragraphs, tommy.  Slavery is everywhere, but it may have been secondary to a greater problem that Britain was having in integrating the noble savage into its intellectual view of the world.  Interesting, because it may account for the problem we are having in defining the Muslim.

darknessess wrote:OH yes you would have (assuming you had it) because if you had not (given that the war was continuing) THEY would have dropped it on YOU...almost certainly...

Indeed I understand there is documentary evidence that THAT was the main purpose behind hitlers quest for the A weapons...to drop on America......

Tommy Monk wrote:



Yes... exactly the same... no difference at all...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:The differences in cognitive thought and mental power is evident throught different peoples behaviour and cultures.




As well as The obvious physical differences that are undeniable.

Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle...



Both having been trained to think and behave in THe same way by the British army so not a good example really... just leading yourself to The opportunity of twisting what I said as an attack on disabled people... and in a very amateur way too Didge, I might add!

Tommy Monk wrote:More waffle Didge... or are you still denying you are Didge...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:A dog or a chimp or a dolphin can be trained to act in a certain way, But left to its own devices it will act in its own unique way... just like we find different people acting in their own way in different places throughout the world.


Even when you put loads of one type of people in a group among another type of people...


Are you really trying to tell us that the pygmies are exactly the same as The white British man in the picture... And the same...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:A dog or a chimp or a dolphin can be trained to act in a certain way, But left to its own devices it will act in its own unique way... just like we find different people acting in their own way in different places throughout the world.


Even when you put loads of one type of people in a group among another type of people...


Are you really trying to tell us that the pygmies are exactly the same as The white British man in the picture... And the same...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:All happy doing their own different things within their own unique group/species/race...