Yep, that's racism!

by Original Quill Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:51 pm

Since realizing how little our British members are aware of racism in the US, I thought I would put up a thread along the general lines of: Yep, that's what racism is like! Here's the first story: http://news.yahoo.com/town-residents-react-to-officer-exodus-after-election-of-first-female-black-mayor-193214641.html

Yahoo News wrote:Missouri town responds to officer exodus after election of black female mayor

A small city in Missouri caught national attention when roughly half of its employees resigned following the election of its first African-American female mayor.

Many news outlets and bloggers have speculated that racism and sexism drove the exodus in Parma, a city of about 700 near the Mississippi River; whereas several residents say other factors were at play.

Mayor Tyus Byrd, 40, who beat longtime incumbent Randall Ramsey, has not yet released a formal statement on the controversy, but did address it briefly after being sworn in last week.

“Moving forward, I’ll get with the board. I’ll speak here in a little bit,” she told KFVS-TV, “and we’ll talk and discuss those issues that have taken place today. And we’ll try to get things in order for the city.”

The local CBS affiliate reported that three full-time cops and two part-time cops — five of the city’s six officers — quit without notice. Several other officials, including the city attorney and city clerk, also resigned.

Nelvia Donaldson, an African-American alderman in Parma, thinks bigotry is behind the departures that followed Ramsey’s defeat, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

“I think it’s about being a woman and being black,” she told the paper. “He (Ramsey) thought he had it in the bag.”

Rich Medley, a former assistant police chief, on the other hand, said to the Post-Dispatch that he resigned out of fear that he would not be allowed to do his job properly.

He said the town’s officers had several run-ins with members of Byrd’s family.

“Rather than put my life in danger more than I do now on a daily basis, I decided to walk away,” Medley said.

Ramsey told KFVS-TV that the departures were over “safety concerns,” but none of the resignation letters have been made public.

Parma resident Martha Miller, who campaigned for Byrd, does not think the resignations have to do with race, but she disagrees with how they happened.

“I think it’s pretty dirty they all quit without giving her a chance. But I don’t think they hurt the town any by quitting, because who needs six police for 740 people,” she told KFVS-TV.

“There was absolutely no racism that had anything to do with this,” Barry Aycock, a white former alderman, said to The Associated Press. “We had an election, it’s over, and we’re all supporting the new mayor and moving forward.”

Lisa Kirk, 58, who owns a convenience store in Parma, was surprised that the town even had six people on its police force.

“There was never police around in town,” she told the wire service. “We have no idea where the six officers worked or who they are. If they did work, I don’t know where they were.”

Kirk said her shop has been burglarized nine times over the past decade.

One thing’s for sure: Byrd has attracted a lot of supporters on social media since the story broke.

by Guest Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:23 pm

So what's your point?

by Original Quill Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:48 pm

Shady wrote:So what's your point?

The point of the thread is to build a library (of sorts) of episodes of American racism, so that we may begin to acculturate and educate you Brits about what it is like to live inside this racist ideology.

The point of the news report is yet another southern, rural hate-story that revolves around their inimitable kind of racism.

I would like to see a thread in which we read these episodes and don't react to them as if they were the exception, but see them as the rule. We look at the death of Trayvon Martin or Walter Scott or Michael Brown, and say 'what a shame'. But it's not a shame to a southerner. It's not even exceptional...its the norm.

I would like to build more awareness about what American racism is all about, as a whole, and not as an incidental item here and there.

by nicko Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:34 pm

We can see what racism is when we read you posts that contain the word British. Do you even realise that you are making racist remarks?

by Guest Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:42 pm

nicko wrote:We can see what racism is when we read you posts that contain the word British. Do you even realise that you are making racist remarks?

racism
ˈ
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

"theories of racism"

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

He claimed the British were inferior, thus defining them as a race, which shows he lacks any understanding of biology. Showing how he fails to understand racism on a thread he claims to be teaching people about racism.

It does not get anymore hypocritical and racist than that from a poster.

by Original Quill Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:44 pm

nicko wrote:We can see what racism is when we read you posts that contain the word British. Do you even realise that you are making racist remarks?

First of all, British is not a race. Second, the British are among the most privileged in the world, and throughout history.

Racism is one of the great tragedies of humankind. Yet, you use it as if it is a foil. That in itself show how insignificantly you regard it.

by Guest Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:45 pm

Nemesis wrote:
nicko wrote:We can see what racism is when we read you posts that contain the word British. Do you even realise that you are making racist remarks?

racism
ˈ
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

"theories of racism"

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

He claimed the British were inferior, thus defining them as a race, which shows he lacks any understanding of biology. Showing how he fails to understand racism on a thread he claims to be teaching people about racism.

It does not get anymore hypocritical and racist than that from a poster.

by Guest Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:06 pm

Oh and if anyone is confused here at what has been said by Quill, here it is from the other thread, which followed on from other poor views and a picture:

I was talking about the British education system. You are just looking for some garbage to toss. That's how one loses the plot.
But one thing in your answers generally, reveals that the British are too self-satisfied. Too little self-awareness makes Johnny a very dull boy. It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Brit would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9120p100-so-you-re-about-to-become-a-minority#176165

by Tommy Monk Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:53 pm

Quill, the vast majority of white British work bloody hard all their lives to get what little they have, and you call this a 'privileged' existence... you have absolutely no idea!!!

by Raggamuffin Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:59 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote:We can see what racism is when we read you posts that contain the word British. Do you even realise that you are making racist remarks?

First of all, British is not a race. Second, the British are among the most privileged in the world, and throughout history.

Racism is one of the great tragedies of humankind. Yet, you use it as if it is a foil. That in itself show how insignificantly you regard it.

Well there are black British people you know, so are you saying that they are privileged too?

by Raggamuffin Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:01 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Shady wrote:So what's your point?

The point of the thread is to build a library (of sorts) of episodes of American racism, so that we may begin to acculturate and educate you Brits about what it is like to live inside this racist ideology.

The point of the news report is yet another southern, rural hate-story that revolves around their inimitable kind of racism.

I would like to see a thread in which we read these episodes and don't react to them as if they were the exception, but see them as the rule. We look at the death of Trayvon Martin or Walter Scott or Michael Brown, and say 'what a shame'. But it's not a shame to a southerner. It's not even exceptional...its the norm.

I would like to build more awareness about what American racism is all about, as a whole, and not as an incidental item here and there.

Oh dear, you've used Trayvon Martin as an example again, and you know that I don't agree with you re that particular death.

by veya_victaous Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:07 am

nicko wrote:We can see what racism is when we read you posts that contain the word British. Do you even realise that you are making racist remarks?

by veya_victaous Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:13 am

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:48 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Quill, the vast majority of white British work bloody hard all their lives to get what little they have, and you call this a 'privileged' existence... you have absolutely no idea!!!

Nobody is saying British people don't work hard. He is saying that we are privileged by comparison to most other groups in history. And that's true. Today, a British person has access to more countries than most others by virtue of holding a British passport, enjoys one of the best health services in the world, are automatically able to speak the international language of business, English, and is automatically in larger end of global income. The average global income btw is around £6,000, compared to the British average of around £26,000.

Of course British people work hard, but we are still privileged compared to most Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians, East Europeans and even many in the rest of the world. With your kind of denial of facts its no wonder UKIPpers go on like the British are one of the most victimized peoples on Earth Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:51 am

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Quill, the vast majority of white British work bloody hard all their lives to get what little they have, and you call this a 'privileged' existence... you have absolutely no idea!!!

Nobody is saying British people don't work hard. He is saying that we are privileged by comparison to most other groups in history. And that's true. Today, a British person has access to more countries than most others by virtue of holding a British passport, enjoys one of the best health services in the world, are automatically able to speak the international language of business, English, and is automatically in larger end of global income. The average global income btw is around £6,000, compared to the British average of around £26,000.

Of course British people work hard, but we are still privileged compared to most Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians, East Europeans and even many in the rest of the world. With your kind of denial of facts its no wonder UKIPpers go on like the British are one of the most victimized peoples on Earth

Missing the point where he was actually racist of course claiming the British were inferior to himself and Ben as Americans.
The fact is that is as racist as it gets, because it wrongly takes a view of the British as if they are all white, when it is a very mixed multicultural society and that no matter what British ethnic group his view made them inferior based off our education system which was abused.
This of course coming from where in America they teach in many schools creationism as fact.

He was racist and we should never excuse racism in any of its forms.

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:13 am

Nemesis wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Nobody is saying British people don't work hard. He is saying that we are privileged by comparison to most other groups in history. And that's true. Today, a British person has access to more countries than most others by virtue of holding a British passport, enjoys one of the best health services in the world, are automatically able to speak the international language of business, English, and is automatically in larger end of global income. The average global income btw is around £6,000, compared to the British average of around £26,000.

Of course British people work hard, but we are still privileged compared to most Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians, East Europeans and even many in the rest of the world. With your kind of denial of facts its no wonder UKIPpers go on like the British are one of the most victimized peoples on Earth

Missing the point where he was actually racist of course claiming the British were inferior to himself and Ben as Americans.
The fact is that is as racist as it gets, because it wrongly takes a view of the British as if they are all white, when it is a very mixed multicultural society and that no matter what British ethnic group his view made them inferior based off our education system which was abused.
This of course coming from where in America they teach in many schools creationism as fact.

He was racist and we should never excuse racism in any of its forms.

He never claimed the British were inferior to anyone, he said he felt that the British posters here on NF didn't understand the level of racism in America (based on those he's discussed it with)- you are making mountains out of mole hills to be honest. In anycase, I was addressing monk's comment on privilege.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:26 am

Eilzel wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

Missing the point where he was actually racist of course claiming the British were inferior to himself and Ben as Americans.
The fact is that is as racist as it gets, because it wrongly takes a view of the British as if they are all white, when it is a very mixed multicultural society and that no matter what British ethnic group his view made them inferior based off our education system which was abused.
This of course coming from where in America they teach in many schools creationism as fact.

He was racist and we should never excuse racism in any of its forms.

He never claimed the British were inferior to anyone, he said he felt that the British posters here on NF didn't understand the level of racism in America (based on those he's discussed it with)- you are making mountains out of mole hills to be honest. In anycase, I was addressing monk's comment on privilege.

That has to be the worst defnse going.

He made a statement about our education system, posted a derogative picture as if this was the outcome of this education.

He then said the following:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Brit would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

So it is clear you now excuse racism as well when it comes from the left, that is even worse, when as seen in that statement British people are deemed inferior in reagrds to any topic and of having an intelligent conversation which if you are British includes you and would be insulting you and every British poster, which you seem to fail to grasp. He has defined the British as if they are a race incapble of understanding and places them on a par with the intelligence of children

If this had been said about an African or Asian nation,you and others would have gone into meltdown over them being racist. You excuse when it is a socialist when it is clear the views here made of the British are inferior.

This all stemmed because he claimed racism does not happen to white people

That is what you call being biased and failing to be impartial on your part.

So to you racism is making moutains out of molehills when the left are racist?

Now how wpould you feel if someone claim the following:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a woman would have only the remotest, one-dimensional understanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Would you claim that was sexist or making a mountain out of a Molehill?

Of how about this:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Homosexual would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Homophobic or making a mountain out of a molehill?

Now explain to me again how his views were not racist.

by veya_victaous Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:32 am

LOLZ
that is what you are upset about complol

Yep, that's racism! Tumblr_inline_nkcfqtScMH1rjrole

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:34 am

Could you not ruin the discussion going on with infantile pictures please?

I shall pose the following to you, where it seems any on the left wish to excuse racism?

Now how would you feel if someone claim the following:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a woman would have only the remotest, one-dimensional understanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Would you claim that was sexist or making a mountain out of a Molehill?

Of how about this:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Homosexual would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Homophobic or making a mountain out of a molehill?

How about:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Nigerian would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Now explain to me again how his views were not racist.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:48 am

I will add that it is clear Darkness is British and to me Ben has already agreed on points last night that darkness has made. How is that even possible based around the accusation made by Quill?

Darkness and other posters from what I have read are indeed intelligent and to allow such a poor view to stand unchallenged is basically saying what is the point debating Amercian posters now because we are deemed of such lower knowledge and understanding, of which nobody grasps here. It was the worst racist kind of insult and he knows it.

The whole point here is that he did in fact make a very racist remark, where he did insult every British poster, where if this were some other posters how others react here shows how they are indeed biased and fail to be impartial.

That is what disappoints me here, it does not upset me, it just shows that when you point out something people will defend a psoter who is indeed intelligence but made a very appalling demeaning remark, which should be rightly condemn but they fail to do so either from how they get on or a share of political views. You see this in abundance here

This is all I am pointing out and have nothing agaisnt this poster, though will not further engage him in debate until he does apologise to the British posters.

That is my choosing and do not ask the same of others. All I ask is for on this is some honesty, not poor bias.

by veya_victaous Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:21 am

Whinnging Bloody Pommie
YES YOU HAVE MADE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL.
you think getting called a Name is racist Or someone having a misconception about your country.
THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM
QUILL IS RIGHT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CLUE WHAT REAL RACISM IS.
It is the Shit Systems Brits have left around the world, the garbage that STILL actively discriminates BY laws and abilities to get jobs, Not "Some one hurt my feeling by calling me a bad name"..

Yep, that's racism! 707b8068d455ab9244355291ea7b8d9bce1b1242cb0ceaddac97438a6899e35a

Yep, that's racism! 707b8068d455ab9244355291ea7b8d9bce1b1242cb0ceaddac97438a6899e35a

think your self lucky quill is wrong in that half the American Shit does not concern civilized nations pirat

but your schooling has gone down the toilet in the past 2 decades, we are thrashing you now in Govt' funded eduction (obviously everyone beat USA in govt funded education)

Even in Australia the Racism like the USA is 'not a thing'. we're not going to murder people for their skin colour and Cops Definitely aren't going to do that shit, neither of our nations are great slave keepers. it is very different, UK racism is telling lies about history to make the UK seem more important, valid, not just psycho killer rapist nation that it was. it's not believing that other people deserve to be slaves or dead like some Americans seem to think.

by veya_victaous Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:33 am

American Public Schooling
Yep, that's racism! Creepy-spongebob-balloon-in-class-640x849

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:41 am

Need I say anymore on how the left poorly excuse those who say things wrong and where it is racist.

Point very easily proven and why some of the left are the worst kind of racists.

We now have a poster with the maturity of a child because he thinks posters make a case which only shows as seen immaturity.

Well at least we now know that racism is approved on this site and it is fair game for anyone to be as racist as they like, as this has now been endorsed by one of the admin team.

I have been fighting against racism for the greater part of my life and happen to understand greatly about racism itself, so your claims are both poor and failing to even show where you think I am wrong, where again he fail to even see himself that the earliest racism can actually be found within religion where it is first found in the bible.
Again we have some the left try poorly and blame and place guilt onto British people today who had or played no part in many of the things this nation did in the past. That shows why some people have no understanding of what social cohesion is or how societies can get along.The fact is this nation does recognize its past and the wrongs done, hence why this nation is a very tolerant nation

You do not combat racism by being racist as he was by defining British people as you are doing now. It shows you lack any understanding of biology and the humans are just one species. It takes racists to divide people into groups and class them as different, just as you are doing now and just as Quill did.

Both in America and Australia the indigenous do not have self determination, so I hardly think you are in a position to judge other nations until you allow people self determination, who have lived in your nation 50,000 longer than the descendents of colonialists in Australia and 15,000 in America, if you want to get picky over how nations treat people.

So again I will ask if anyone can answer the following:

Could you not ruin the discussion going on with infantile pictures please?

I shall pose the following to you, where it seems any on the left wish to excuse racism?

Now how would you feel if someone claim the following:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a woman would have only the remotest, one-dimensional understanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Would you claim that was sexist or making a mountain out of a Molehill?

Of how about this:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Homosexual would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Homophobic or making a mountain out of a molehill?

How about:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Nigerian would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Now explain to me again how his views were not racist.

I will add that it is clear Darkness is British and to me Ben has already agreed on points last night that darkness has made. How is that even possible based around the accusation made by Quill?

Darkness and other posters from what I have read are indeed intelligent and to allow such a poor view to stand unchallenged is basically saying what is the point debating Amercian posters now because we are deemed of such lower knowledge and understanding, of which nobody grasps here. It was the worst racist kind of insult and he knows it.

The whole point here is that he did in fact make a very racist remark, where he did insult every British poster, where if this were some other posters how others react here shows how they are indeed biased and fail to be impartial.

That is what disappoints me here, it does not upset me, it just shows that when you point out something people will defend a psoter who is indeed intelligence but made a very appalling demeaning remark, which should be rightly condemn but they fail to do so either from how they get on or a share of political views. You see this in abundance here

This is all I am pointing out and have nothing against this poster, though will not further engage him in debate until he does apologise to the British posters.

That is my choosing and do not ask the same of others. All I ask is for on this is some honesty, not poor bias.

So as seen some of the left continue to prove my point.

Thankfully not all left wing people are like this.

Maybe we need to start a finger painting section for Veya, as he fails to see how decent debates are had and this may better suit his maturity.
Just a thought mind

Catch you all later

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:18 am

veya_victaous wrote:Whinnging Bloody Pommie
YES YOU HAVE MADE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL.
you think getting called a Name is racist Or someone having a misconception about your country.
THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM
QUILL IS RIGHT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CLUE WHAT REAL RACISM IS.
It is the Shit Systems Brits have left around the world, the garbage that STILL actively discriminates BY laws and abilities to get jobs, Not "Some one hurt my feeling by calling me a bad name"..

think your self lucky quill is wrong in that half the American Shit does not concern civilized nations
but your schooling has gone down the toilet in the past 2 decades, we are thrashing you now in Govt' funded eduction (obviously everyone beat USA in govt funded education)

Even in Australia the Racism like the USA is 'not a thing'. we're not going to murder people for their skin colour and Cops Definitely aren't going to do that shit, neither of our nations are great slave keepers. it is very different, UK racism is telling lies about history to make the UK seem more important, valid, not just psycho killer rapist nation that it was. it's not believing that other people deserve to be slaves or dead like some Americans seem to think.

Good morning Veya.

If I had posted comments like that,you would have removed the post & banned me...Like you did before you racist hypocrite.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:53 am

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Quill, the vast majority of white British work bloody hard all their lives to get what little they have, and you call this a 'privileged' existence... you have absolutely no idea!!!

Nobody is saying British people don't work hard. He is saying that we are privileged by comparison to most other groups in history. And that's true. Today, a British person has access to more countries than most others by virtue of holding a British passport, enjoys one of the best health services in the world, are automatically able to speak the international language of business, English, and is automatically in larger end of global income. The average global income btw is around £6,000, compared to the British average of around £26,000.

Of course British people work hard, but we are still privileged compared to most Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians, East Europeans and even many in the rest of the world. With your kind of denial of facts its no wonder UKIPpers go on like the British are one of the most victimized peoples on Earth

Your list is interesting as to how a British person is privileged.

What do you mean about having access to more countries than most others? I don't think that's true. Isn't it quite difficult for a British person to go and work in some countries?

I always think that British people are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to other languages rather than at an advantage. Sure, if they went to live in another country they will probably find that the people there can speak English, but that won't help them day to day. A British person would have to learn several languages in order to feel comfortable in another country.

As for the average income, well that means nothing really. Try telling those who earn much less than £26,000 that they're privileged and see what they say.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:57 am

Okay here is why the views by Veya and Quill are simplistic in their understanding around racism based on a black and white biological concept, when it is far more reaching than this, going back very much so to the beginnings of civilizations itself.

So lets see how racism is defined by the United nations:

According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere

Now we have to go back to the beginnings of civilization to see how and where racism was formed. From its beginnings we have seen slaves as spoils of wars with rival city states in the time of ancient Sumer. The City States of Sumerian society we actually see many of the systems we have today, with schools, laws, criminal systems, medicine etc. As time progressed and other societies rose, groups of people were started to be seen as different. Many wars and conflicts arose where defeated nations had males butchered, except those with skills, women and children enslaved or displaced. We do not see the first real concept of racism until the Israelites taking the form of a chosen people. You only have to read the old Testament to see this racism in abundance, where we now have a group of people claiming they have been chosen by their deity over all over groups of people. This is where we see the concept of “Herem” arise which is the systematic genocide of groups of people. We read that they have been promised a land and it does not say to live in harmony with the groups and societies already there, but to wipe them out. Even animals are not even spared and also commanded to be destroyed. Even where for example there is inter marriage with other non-Israelite groups Moses is ordered to kill them and we actually read this deity praise them. Whether they actually happened is difficult to say, but there is evidence in the what we call the Holy lands of cities being raised to the ground. This is where racism really starts to form in a society, where they whether ethically, religious or as a culture as seen superior and chosen above all others. This is justified by its religious works and also with the most dangerous concept of all a belief this is justified by their deity. We also see slavery endorsed and even worse human sacrifice, to sanctified endorsement of rape to the women of defeated nations Anyway I shall return to this later, but it is the real first racism of viewing of groups seen as clearly inferior and not even worthy of life.

The first leader we see who takes a different view with defeated enemies is Cyrus the Great. When he defeated the Medes, he did not subjugate them but made them as one with his nation making the Medes part of his army and treating them with levels of equality. Though we still see slavery within this Empire, which is based much around elitism and where people are still viewed with discrimination. Though this is a far reaching King who is able to unite many people and why the Persian Empire flourished on and off for centuries. Of course those who rebelled were crushed and you see the same retribution that normally happens to defeated nations.

We then come to the Greeks where we now start to see a form of racism, which is along the lines of Quill’s views towards the British. One of where groups of people and societies are seen as uncivilized, lacking education, wisdom, philosophy etc. We see within City states where again Slavery is rife, to the extreme point of Spartan society itself. It is one of the most elitist societies you will find, where it was formed from its citizens being trained on a complete war footing. They had second class citizens that lived with some rights called the Perioikoi, they did not have full citizen rights, they were free, but were not restricted like the slaves of Sparta the helots. Here you really have a view of an inferior group of people. Every year the Spartans went to war against this group to keep them in line. As Spartan loses and wars required more troops, they did grant those who had fought well in battle.

What we really see with the greeks is how they view the Persians, Celts etc as barbarians and uncivilized. Again this is a view of not seeing them as biologically different but inferior based off their cultures and how or more to the point how lacking in advancement their societies were. They basically viewed anyone who did not speak Greek as barbarian. The Greeks saw themselves as rational and used reason, where they viewed barbarians as emotionally in lacked reason. Similarities to Quill? You see racism comes in many forms in how people are demeaned or discriminated against and here we see the Greeks view anyone else as basically again inferior in their technology, understanding etc.
We do see though again rise from this a great leader who was very visionary for his time.
Alexander the Great. When he conquered the Persians he took the line to merge and integrate the cultures of both East and West. Of course he was a tyrant and butchered people, but his love and firth for knowledge and wisdom brought about the first attempt to unite societies with their cultures. Of course it had little time to blossom, because his own Commanders and Macedonians were aghast at this believing of course these people were barbarians. It is a shame that he did not live longer and given time with a strong heir whether this could have formed a cohesive society that lasted centuries. Of course we next come to the Romans, again with a similar attitude to the Greeks viewing even the Greeks as barbarians. The cycle continues, it is a different form of racism, but racism none the less. Of course as the Empire went along though anyone could become a Roman Citizen making this a unique society again, based around a society of a pantheon of deities, where defeated societies had Gods amalgamate making cohesion in defeated societies easier.

We then see the rise of Christianity and to me the real root cause and problems that still exist with racism today. To me it was also a factor in the fall of the Roman Empire, which is for another discussion. Again we see and have religious group that can be made up of many ethnic groups but seen again as special and chosen by their deity. We also see the rise of Islam, where again a group of people the Arabs are seeing themselves as superior to others, which is found with already seen the evidence in their works. They certainly held poor views of blacks and enslaved many of them as well as converting many to Islam. This is of course well document and as we see it is the position of viewing a group of people as special above other groups and superior where the real problem of racism comes to the fore. You may ask why Christianity? The fact is it is fundamental, because Europeans viewed Jesus not as a Jews, even though Jews are a Semitic Caucasian people, Jesus was clearly see as white European. This can easily be seen by the countless paintings and sculptures found throughout Europe that depicts Jesus as very much European looking. You then have a dangerous stance here where European people are placing their God as White European and not Jewish and why the Jews have very much been wrongly blamed for his death and persecuted. This to me is instrumental and how racism formed and why we see how later the slavery of the Africans was justified by the Bible itself taking the view they are now the chosen people and believing the Jews have lost this stance.

Of course in the 19th century we see the start of scientific racism, where people begin to argue pseudo nonsense around biological concepts which just have no bases, but have helped created the Black and white racist concept we see today. This though fails to look at one of the biggest problems in America. The plight of the indigenous American Indians. When it comes to racism, the view and talking point is always in regards to African and European Americans. If anything the indigenous suffered the greatest mistreatments of which they still do to this day but they are not spoken of in any of this talk around racism. It shows the view and rhetoric around racism is more a political and religious concept in the US. You find many of those in the US that hold racist views are on the Christian right, again all roads lead to racism, We see in the Middle east Arab views of claiming to own and control lands based on their beliefs of this again through a view of being chosen. Where ever you turn, it falls back to religion in many aspects, whether it be Islam or Christianity and even to some aspect Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc all based around a Nationalist view. If people want to talk about the problems of racism, then lets talk about them with honesty. Yes there is a great problem with white privilege with a huge disparity in wealth, but lets not leave out of the equation the most persecuted people in the US, the indigenous American Indians themselves. They suffer some of the worst welath disparity and have the least self determination.

This is just as basic view I can go into more detail but to me, here are elements that have led to the problems we face today and actually need to recognise.

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:27 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Nobody is saying British people don't work hard. He is saying that we are privileged by comparison to most other groups in history. And that's true. Today, a British person has access to more countries than most others by virtue of holding a British passport, enjoys one of the best health services in the world, are automatically able to speak the international language of business, English, and is automatically in larger end of global income. The average global income btw is around £6,000, compared to the British average of around £26,000.

Of course British people work hard, but we are still privileged compared to most Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians, East Europeans and even many in the rest of the world. With your kind of denial of facts its no wonder UKIPpers go on like the British are one of the most victimized peoples on Earth

Your list is interesting as to how a British person is privileged.

What do you mean about having access to more countries than most others? I don't think that's true. Isn't it quite difficult for a British person to go and work in some countries?

I always think that British people are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to other languages rather than at an advantage. Sure, if they went to live in another country they will probably find that the people there can speak English, but that won't help them day to day. A British person would have to learn several languages in order to feel comfortable in another country.

As for the average income, well that means nothing really. Try telling those who earn much less than £26,000 that they're privileged and see what they say.

Being British means that you can at least travel to countries and get a visa on arrival or in many cases, not just in Europe, without even needing a visa at all.

On language, we definitely fall into the better half when in comes to advantages and disadvantages. Anyone from any country will have to learn some of their hosts language to get by, be that person French, British or Chinese. But the Brit has the distinct advantage of a head start due to most people having at least some level of English. The disadvantages we face are the same as those from any other country. But we have advantages only native speaking English countries have.

Of course someone in Britain earning £26,000 doesn't feel privileged- because most have probably not got the faintest idea how most people in South America, Central America, Africa, the Middle East, China, India, South East Asia and much of the Pacific have to live day to day.

Most of the world are far worse off economically than the average Brit. To claim otherwise is just ignorance. And that is not even adding in our modern infrastructure, health care, welfare and education systems- which are the envy of much of those above mentioned places.

The only people in Britain who wouldn't feel privileged are those with zero thought about the rest of the world.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:41 am

Eilzel wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Your list is interesting as to how a British person is privileged.

What do you mean about having access to more countries than most others? I don't think that's true. Isn't it quite difficult for a British person to go and work in some countries?

I always think that British people are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to other languages rather than at an advantage. Sure, if they went to live in another country they will probably find that the people there can speak English, but that won't help them day to day. A British person would have to learn several languages in order to feel comfortable in another country.

As for the average income, well that means nothing really. Try telling those who earn much less than £26,000 that they're privileged and see what they say.

Being British means that you can at least travel to countries and get a visa on arrival or in many cases, not just in Europe, without even needing a visa at all.

On language, we definitely fall into the better half when in comes to advantages and disadvantages. Anyone from any country will have to learn some of their hosts language to get by, be that person French, British or Chinese. But the Brit has the distinct advantage of a head start due to most people having at least some level of English. The disadvantages we face are the same as those from any other country. But we have advantages only native speaking English countries have.

Of course someone in Britain earning £26,000 doesn't feel privileged- because most have probably not got the faintest idea how most people in South America, Central America, Africa, the Middle East, China, India, South East Asia and much of the Pacific have to live day to day.

Most of the world are far worse off economically than the average Brit. To claim otherwise is just ignorance. And that is not even adding in our modern infrastructure, health care, welfare and education systems- which are the envy of much of those above mentioned places.

The only people in Britain who wouldn't feel privileged are those with zero thought about the rest of the world.

I don't know the situation now, but it used to be the case that Brits couldn't just go to the US, Australia, or New Zealand and work without a lot of hassle. Has that changed now?

Re this income business, are you taking into account the cost of living?

What about the weather? Some countries have much better weather than the UK, so are they not privileged? Laughing

Anyway, privilege isn't just about money or education is it? There are people who earn tons of money and they're not necessarily privileged - they're just stressed out.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:41 am

Eilzel wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Your list is interesting as to how a British person is privileged.

What do you mean about having access to more countries than most others? I don't think that's true. Isn't it quite difficult for a British person to go and work in some countries?

I always think that British people are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to other languages rather than at an advantage. Sure, if they went to live in another country they will probably find that the people there can speak English, but that won't help them day to day. A British person would have to learn several languages in order to feel comfortable in another country.

As for the average income, well that means nothing really. Try telling those who earn much less than £26,000 that they're privileged and see what they say.

Being British means that you can at least travel to countries and get a visa on arrival or in many cases, not just in Europe, without even needing a visa at all.

On language, we definitely fall into the better half when in comes to advantages and disadvantages. Anyone from any country will have to learn some of their hosts language to get by, be that person French, British or Chinese. But the Brit has the distinct advantage of a head start due to most people having at least some level of English. The disadvantages we face are the same as those from any other country. But we have advantages only native speaking English countries have.

Of course someone in Britain earning £26,000 doesn't feel privileged- because most have probably not got the faintest idea how most people in South America, Central America, Africa, the Middle East, China, India, South East Asia and much of the Pacific have to live day to day.

Most of the world are far worse off economically than the average Brit. To claim otherwise is just ignorance. And that is not even adding in our modern infrastructure, health care, welfare and education systems- which are the envy of much of those above mentioned places.

The only people in Britain who wouldn't feel privileged are those with zero thought about the rest of the world.

How does a homeless person feel privileged where even more he lives in a rich society and yet faces the hardships of the thrid world?
Agreed that we should look at ourselves as privileged compared to many other societies, but that does not mean to say you are not as privileged as others within your own society. Some people are born into wealth due to centuries of an Elitist system, so you can clearly feel under privileged compared to people within your own society. There are many ways to measures to base privilege on and you are right when this is applied to many areas of the rest of the world, but when you compare it to where people who are living homeless then they are not privileged. Those with no roof over their head, income, food etc, in a nation where it should never even happen, I would hardly class them as privileged. Many people certainly in this country are very generous espically to other nations that have real poverty, so they certainly clearly by their actions see themselves privileged in comparrison, but I certainly get Rags point about how some can certainly feel under privileged compared to others within your own society.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:44 am

It's a bit absurd to say a whole nation is privileged. I daresay there are people in the "non-privileged" countries who are better off than a lot of people in Britain.

by nicko Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:10 am

Eilzel, please explain why you went to work in Thailand rather than stay in England,,and witch country did you learn your "craft" in before you emigrated?

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:24 am

Original Quill wrote:Since realizing how little our British members are aware of racism in the US, I thought I would put up a thread along the general lines of: Yep, that's what racism is like! Here's the first story: http://news.yahoo.com/town-residents-react-to-officer-exodus-after-election-of-first-female-black-mayor-193214641.html

Yahoo News wrote:Missouri town responds to officer exodus after election of black female mayor

A small city in Missouri caught national attention when roughly half of its employees resigned following the election of its first African-American female mayor.

Many news outlets and bloggers have speculated that racism and sexism drove the exodus in Parma, a city of about 700 near the Mississippi River; whereas several residents say other factors were at play.

Mayor Tyus Byrd, 40, who beat longtime incumbent Randall Ramsey, has not yet released a formal statement on the controversy, but did address it briefly after being sworn in last week.

“Moving forward, I’ll get with the board. I’ll speak here in a little bit,” she told KFVS-TV, “and we’ll talk and discuss those issues that have taken place today. And we’ll try to get things in order for the city.”

The local CBS affiliate reported that three full-time cops and two part-time cops — five of the city’s six officers — quit without notice. Several other officials, including the city attorney and city clerk, also resigned.

Nelvia Donaldson, an African-American alderman in Parma, thinks bigotry is behind the departures that followed Ramsey’s defeat, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

“I think it’s about being a woman and being black,” she told the paper. “He (Ramsey) thought he had it in the bag.”

Rich Medley, a former assistant police chief, on the other hand, said to the Post-Dispatch that he resigned out of fear that he would not be allowed to do his job properly.

He said the town’s officers had several run-ins with members of Byrd’s family.

“Rather than put my life in danger more than I do now on a daily basis, I decided to walk away,” Medley said.

Ramsey told KFVS-TV that the departures were over “safety concerns,” but none of the resignation letters have been made public.

Parma resident Martha Miller, who campaigned for Byrd, does not think the resignations have to do with race, but she disagrees with how they happened.

“I think it’s pretty dirty they all quit without giving her a chance. But I don’t think they hurt the town any by quitting, because who needs six police for 740 people,” she told KFVS-TV.

“There was absolutely no racism that had anything to do with this,” Barry Aycock, a white former alderman, said to The Associated Press. “We had an election, it’s over, and we’re all supporting the new mayor and moving forward.”

Lisa Kirk, 58, who owns a convenience store in Parma, was surprised that the town even had six people on its police force.

“There was never police around in town,” she told the wire service. “We have no idea where the six officers worked or who they are. If they did work, I don’t know where they were.”

Kirk said her shop has been burglarized nine times over the past decade.

One thing’s for sure: Byrd has attracted a lot of supporters on social media since the story broke.

A small city? There are 700 or so residents - that's not really a city or even a town, it's more of a small village. This is being reported as nearly an "entire" police force resigning, but there were only six police officers to start with - quite a lot for such a small place.

This lady was voted in, so clearly those who voted for her didn't have an issue with her colour. I'd like to know more about these "safety concerns", but as usual, there's not enough info to go on to make a judgement as to whether these people resigned as a result of the colour of the new Mayor. According to the report, some of the police officers had had run ins with members of the new Mayor's family, so that might have a bearing on it.

Also, she is female, so could that not have a bearing on it?

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:14 am

^Rags, I did mention things on top of income which also give most Brits for better opportunities than people in most countries- btw, listing USA, Canada and Australia, does not compete with the continents I gave you. You are being small minded, the 'average' Brit is better off than the 'average' person in most countries in terms of- income, education, healthcare, welfare, retirement expectations, travel abilities, safety from terrorism, safety from war, safety from natural disasters, safety from wild animals etc...

^didge/nemesis, it should be obvious I am talking about the average person in any country.

^nicko, My fiancee is Thai which is why I have chosen to live in Thailand, I have a British degree and have a teacher training qualification which I qualified for at a British language school in Bangkok- what is the relevance of this question btw?

by Lone Wolf Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:29 am

Nemesis wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
He never claimed the British were inferior to anyone, he said he felt that the British posters here on NF didn't understand the level of racism in America (based on those he's discussed it with)- you are making mountains out of mole hills to be honest. In anycase, I was addressing monk's comment on privilege.

That has to be the worst defnse going.........................
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Now explain to me again how his views were not racist.

QUILL'S comments aren't "racist" for one simple reason, Nemesis - you brainfucked moron...

THE Brit's are not a "race" in and unto themselves..

YOU ignorant and uneducated clod.

Basketball

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:33 am

Lone Wolf wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

That has to be the worst defnse going.........................
....................................................

Now explain to me again how his views were not racist.

QUILL'S comments aren't "racist" for one simple reason, Nemesis - you brainfucked moron...

THE Brit's are not a "race" in and unto themselves..

YOU ignorant and uneducated clod.

That shows how clueless you are and that you do not understand racism

He basically cast the British as inferior, so the first thing you need to do is wash your mouth out with soap as you are incapable of holding a debate with anyone here being as you clearly suffer from Tourette's syndrome.

Second you need to answer all the points I raised which you clearly avoided that prove he is racist towards the British:

This had turned into a decent debate and you have jumped on here to derail the thread and act like a child it seems because you now defend racists;

Here is the evidence:

He made a statement about our education system, posted a derogative picture as if this was the outcome of this education.

He then said the following:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Brit would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

So it is clear you now excuse racism as well when it comes from the left, that is even worse, when as seen in that statement British people are deemed inferior in reagrds to any topic and of having an intelligent conversation which if you are British includes you and would be insulting you and every British poster, which you seem to fail to grasp. He has defined the British as if they are a race incapble of understanding and places them on a par with the intelligence of children

If this had been said about an African or Asian nation,you and others would have gone into meltdown over them being racist. You excuse when it is a socialist when it is clear the views here made of the British are inferior.

This all stemmed because he claimed racism does not happen to white people

That is what you call being biased and failing to be impartial on your part.

Now how wpould you feel if someone claim the following:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a woman would have only the remotest, one-dimensional understanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Would you claim that was sexist or not sexist?

Of how about this:

It is clear that Ben and I can have a conversation of which a Homosexual would have only the remotest, one-dimensional nderstanding. It could be about anything...

It could be about anything...take guns, racism, any of a host of things that really concern y'all over there...but you never take the time to learn. Christ! It's like I'm talking to my brother's kids!

Homophobic or not homophobic?

Now explain to me again how his views were not racist.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:48 am

Eilzel wrote:^Rags, I did mention things on top of income which also give most Brits for better opportunities than people in most countries- btw, listing USA, Canada and Australia, does not compete with the continents I gave you. You are being small minded, the 'average' Brit is better off than the 'average' person in most countries in terms of- income, education, healthcare, welfare, retirement expectations, travel abilities, safety from terrorism, safety from war, safety from natural disasters, safety from wild animals etc...

^didge/nemesis, it should be obvious I am talking about the average person in any country.

^nicko, My fiancee is Thai which is why I have chosen to live in Thailand, I have a British degree and have a teacher training qualification which I qualified for at a British language school in Bangkok- what is the relevance of this question btw?

Why are the left so intolerant?

Its Nemesis by the way, shall I call you Gilles de Rais instead?

Can we at least keep this civil, the poster was not rude to you.

Anyway the average person thus fails to factor in the non-average person, where again there are people in this country who certainly are not privileged which should never happen where people end up Homeless.

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:09 pm

Nemesis wrote:
Eilzel wrote:^Rags, I did mention things on top of income which also give most Brits for better opportunities than people in most countries- btw, listing USA, Canada and Australia, does not compete with the continents I gave you. You are being small minded, the 'average' Brit is better off than the 'average' person in most countries in terms of- income, education, healthcare, welfare, retirement expectations, travel abilities, safety from terrorism, safety from war, safety from natural disasters, safety from wild animals etc...

^didge/nemesis, it should be obvious I am talking about the average person in any country.

^nicko, My fiancee is Thai which is why I have chosen to live in Thailand, I have a British degree and have a teacher training qualification which I qualified for at a British language school in Bangkok- what is the relevance of this question btw?

Why are the left so intolerant?

Its Nemesis by the way, shall I call you Gilles de Rais instead?

Can we at least keep this civil, the poster was not rude to you.

Anyway the average person thus fails to factor in the non-average person, where again there are people in this country who certainly are not privileged which should never happen where people end up Homeless.

It's not intolerant to say someone is being small minded when they are ignoring the bigger picture. I named most of the world when I mentioned countries where people are less well off the Britain- Rags responded with a handful of rich western nations. That's ignoring over 3 continents and over at least 170 other countries and being obscenely Anglo-centric. That is small minded.

And we can move away from the average person Nemi- it's relative- a homeless person in Britain is still better off than a homeless person in India or Iraq.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:16 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

Why are the left so intolerant?

Its Nemesis by the way, shall I call you Gilles de Rais instead?

Can we at least keep this civil, the poster was not rude to you.

Anyway the average person thus fails to factor in the non-average person, where again there are people in this country who certainly are not privileged which should never happen where people end up Homeless.

It's not intolerant to say someone is being small minded when they are ignoring the bigger picture. I named most of the world when I mentioned countries where people are less well off the Britain- Rags responded with a handful of rich western nations. That's ignoring over 3 continents and over at least 170 other countries and being obscenely Anglo-centric. That is small minded.

And we can move away from the average person Nemi- it's relative- a homeless person in Britain is still better off than a homeless person in India or Iraq.

It is being intolerant, you may want to take more notice of your own signature.
She can compare the Uk to other nations that are wealthy if she recognizes those that are poor. You are just directing the debate to your view, where again you can measure this in many ways on privileged. The fact is in society one area where many lack equality which can be found in just about every country is wealth.
So no it is not small minded, as you can certainly debate around privilege in regards to wealth disparity Eliza.

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:19 pm

Nemesis wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

It's not intolerant to say someone is being small minded when they are ignoring the bigger picture. I named most of the world when I mentioned countries where people are less well off the Britain- Rags responded with a handful of rich western nations. That's ignoring over 3 continents and over at least 170 other countries and being obscenely Anglo-centric. That is small minded.

And we can move away from the average person Nemi- it's relative- a homeless person in Britain is still better off than a homeless person in India or Iraq.

It is being intolerant, you may want to take more notice of your own signature.
She can compare the Uk to other nations that are wealthy if she recognizes those that are poor. You are just directing the debate to your view, where again you can measure this in many ways on privileged. The fact is in society one area where many lack equality which can be found in just about every country is wealth.
So no it is not small minded, as you can certainly debate around privilege in regards to wealth disparity Eliza.

You're not really getting my point to be honest. There is good reasons why many people choose to immigrate to the UK from all across the globe and relatively fewer choose to go in the opposite direction. That's all I'll say on it, I'd rather wait for Rags to reply since that was who I replied to.

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:21 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

It is being intolerant, you may want to take more notice of your own signature.
She can compare the Uk to other nations that are wealthy if she recognizes those that are poor. You are just directing the debate to your view, where again you can measure this in many ways on privileged. The fact is in society one area where many lack equality which can be found in just about every country is wealth.
So no it is not small minded, as you can certainly debate around privilege in regards to wealth disparity Eliza.

You're not really getting my point to be honest. There is good reasons why many people choose to immigrate to the UK from all across the globe and relatively fewer choose to go in the opposite direction. That's all I'll say on it, I'd rather wait for Rags to reply since that was who I replied to.

I am more to the view you are not getting Rags point.
People can also debate off what you say, wow you seem tad off key.
I can certainly see both your points and being as it is a forum and just responding giving my points.
I hope that is okay with you, or do I need yout permission to respond to any of your posts?

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:48 pm

Eilzel wrote:^Rags, I did mention things on top of income which also give most Brits for better opportunities than people in most countries- btw, listing USA, Canada and Australia, does not compete with the continents I gave you. You are being small minded, the 'average' Brit is better off than the 'average' person in most countries in terms of- income, education, healthcare, welfare, retirement expectations, travel abilities, safety from terrorism, safety from war, safety from natural disasters, safety from wild animals etc...

^didge/nemesis, it should be obvious I am talking about the average person in any country.

^nicko, My fiancee is Thai which is why I have chosen to live in Thailand, I have a British degree and have a teacher training qualification which I qualified for at a British language school in Bangkok- what is the relevance of this question btw?

I think you're being small minded by lumping all Brits together and assuming that they're all "privileged". I think that Brits are lucky to be born in a country where people aren't starting wars every five minutes, but then I wonder why people bother to have children in those countries. They must know that it's never going to end.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:51 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

Why are the left so intolerant?

Its Nemesis by the way, shall I call you Gilles de Rais instead?

Can we at least keep this civil, the poster was not rude to you.

Anyway the average person thus fails to factor in the non-average person, where again there are people in this country who certainly are not privileged which should never happen where people end up Homeless.

It's not intolerant to say someone is being small minded when they are ignoring the bigger picture. I named most of the world when I mentioned countries where people are less well off the Britain- Rags responded with a handful of rich western nations. That's ignoring over 3 continents and over at least 170 other countries and being obscenely Anglo-centric. That is small minded.

And we can move away from the average person Nemi- it's relative- a homeless person in Britain is still better off than a homeless person in India or Iraq.

Do you really think that a homeless person in the UK who is cold, hungry, and completely pissed off sits there and thinks themselves lucky that they're not in India or Iraq?

It's a bit arrogant to take the view that they should think of themselves as "privileged".

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:59 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

Why are the left so intolerant?

Its Nemesis by the way, shall I call you Gilles de Rais instead?

Can we at least keep this civil, the poster was not rude to you.

Anyway the average person thus fails to factor in the non-average person, where again there are people in this country who certainly are not privileged which should never happen where people end up Homeless.

It's not intolerant to say someone is being small minded when they are ignoring the bigger picture. I named most of the world when I mentioned countries where people are less well off the Britain- Rags responded with a handful of rich western nations. That's ignoring over 3 continents and over at least 170 other countries and being obscenely Anglo-centric. That is small minded.

And we can move away from the average person Nemi- it's relative- a homeless person in Britain is still better off than a homeless person in India or Iraq.

I didn't mention three countries in terms of how well off people are there, I mentioned them in terms of your claim that Brits can easily go to other countries.

Being British means that you can at least travel to countries and get a visa on arrival or in many cases, not just in Europe, without even needing a visa at all.

I didn't mention Canada actually, I mentioned the US, Australia, and New Zealand. I don't know what the situation is re Canada, but I don't think that Brits can just walk into those three countries and get a job. At least, they didn't used to be able to. If things have changed, perhaps you could explain.

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:07 pm

But they are just three countries Rags, and regardless I wasn't talking only about getting jobs- though on that we do have the ability to easily work in the whole of Europe.

You mentioned Brits being lucky not to be born in a country that isn't a warzone (or dangerous tbf), so really we are getting into semantics. You say lucky I say priviliged.

And now you wonder why people even have kids in dangerous countries- well again then I'd say we Brits are priviliged to not have to consider such decisions.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:18 pm

Eilzel wrote:But they are just three countries Rags, and regardless I wasn't talking only about getting jobs- though on that we do have the ability to easily work in the whole of Europe.

You mentioned Brits being lucky not to be born in a country that isn't a warzone (or dangerous tbf), so really we are getting into semantics. You say lucky I say priviliged.

And now you wonder why people even have kids in dangerous countries- well again then I'd say we Brits are priviliged to not have to consider such decisions.

Well what were you talking about then? I don't get what point you were trying to make.

Being British means that you can at least travel to countries and get a visa on arrival or in many cases, not just in Europe, without even needing a visa at all.

Hmmmm, is it a privilege that Brits aren't born into a warzone, or is it that people in Britain have worked to make sure that it's not a warzone? Of course the people being born are lucky, but the generation before them have managed not to start a war or ten, and I don't think that's down to luck, it's down to being civilised.

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:33 pm

I've mentioned multiple factors which make British people more privilidged than most other people in the world. I'm not going to keep responding to you isolating one or two. Go back a few posts to where I listed things which make being British advantageous comparef with most. I'm looking at a bigger picture here.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:40 pm

Eilzel wrote:I've mentioned multiple factors which make British people more privilidged than most other people in the world. I'm not going to keep responding to you isolating one or two. Go back a few posts to where I listed things which make being British advantageous comparef with most. I'm looking at a bigger picture here.

Well can't you clarify what you meant when you said this? Why say it if you can't explain what you mean?

Being British means that you can at least travel to countries and get a visa on arrival or in many cases, not just in Europe, without even needing a visa at all.

First of all, not all Brits can afford to travel to other countries, and even if they can, are you saying that other people can't?

by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:58 pm

Eilzel has a point on Visa's:

Yep, that's racism! Passport_3275205b

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11552784/The-worlds-most-powerful-passports.html

by Eilzel Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:05 pm

Rags look back up a few posts, I listed many advantages of being British and thus why we are priviliged compared to billions of people around the world. I'm not explaining again just because you can't be bothered reading back a few posts, that's just laziness.

Rest assured you are more priviliged than most people in Latin America, Africa, The Middle East, India, South East Asia and most of China- if you don't realize that then you're deluded.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:17 pm

Eilzel wrote:Rags look back up a few posts, I listed many advantages of being British and thus why we are priviliged compared to billions of people around the world. I'm not explaining again just because you can't be bothered reading back a few posts, that's just laziness.

Rest assured you are more priviliged than most people in Latin America, Africa, The Middle East, India, South East Asia and most of China- if you don't realize that then you're deluded.

I asked you to explain your comment about Brits visiting other countries. You accused me of being small-minded after you claimed that I was comparing Britain to three other countries, and that's not what I did, so I don't think you can call me "lazy" for not reading back.

I really don't know where all this has come from anyway. The thread is supposed to be about racism in the US, not a comparison of Britain with every other place in the world.

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