Peter Oborne: Ed Miliband is the most accomplished opposition leader since the war

In this week’s Spectator podcast, we put a Labour and a Tory supporter next to each other to debate the virtues of Ed Miliband. The difference being that Peter Oborne is a passionate defender of the leader, and Dan Hodges his most vocal critic.

Peter explains to Sebastian Payne that while he is a conservative journalist, his job is to tell the truth, and put political prejudices to one side, which leads him to conclude that Ed Miliband is a man of incredible accomplishment and bravery, whose efficacy is demonstrated by the ferocity of the press backlash against him.

Here’s what Oborne has to say:

I have followed Mr Miliband with growing admiration as Labour leader. I think he has been the greatest leader of the opposition since something like Attlee, I mean certainly since World War Two, in terms of sheer achievement.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/peter-oborne-ed-miliband-is-the-greatest-opposition-leader-since-the-war/

Coming from a Conservative journalist who only seeks the truth that is a huge compliment to Ed Miliband

Dan Hodges, however, is not convinced that he’s done a good job as leader of the opposition:

But the reality is, whatever Ed Miliband’s qualities are, the primary job of a leader of the opposition is to stop being leader of the opposition and to become Prime Minister, and to maximise your chances of becoming Prime Minister. And the reality is that Ed Milibad through the way he has conducted his leadership, through the strategic choices he has taken, has consistently minimised his chances of becoming Prime Minister.

Judge for yourself which of these two views is the correct one.

Irn Bru wrote:In this week’s Spectator podcast, we put a Labour and a Tory supporter next to each other to debate the virtues of Ed Miliband. The difference being that Peter Oborne is a passionate defender of the leader, and Dan Hodges his most vocal critic.

Peter explains to Sebastian Payne that while he is a conservative journalist, his job is to tell the truth, and put political prejudices to one side, which leads him to conclude that Ed Miliband is a man of incredible accomplishment and bravery, whose efficacy is demonstrated by the ferocity of the press backlash against him.

Here’s what Oborne has to say:

I have followed Mr Miliband with growing admiration as Labour leader. I think he has been the greatest leader of the opposition since something like Attlee, I mean certainly since World War Two, in terms of sheer achievement.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/peter-oborne-ed-miliband-is-the-greatest-opposition-leader-since-the-war/

Coming from a Conservative journalist who only seeks the truth that is a huge compliment to Ed Miliband

Dan Hodges, however, is not convinced that he’s done a good job as leader of the opposition:

   But the reality is, whatever Ed Miliband’s qualities are, the primary job of a leader of the opposition is to stop being leader of the opposition and to become Prime Minister, and to maximise your chances of becoming Prime Minister. And the reality is that Ed Milibad through the way he has conducted his leadership, through the strategic choices he has taken, has consistently minimised his chances of becoming Prime Minister.

Judge for yourself which of these two views is the correct one.

Thanks Irn I love a good comedy

So do we, that's why we read your posts.

Peter Oborne, probably THE most respected journalist around at the moment.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:In this week’s Spectator podcast, we put a Labour and a Tory supporter next to each other to debate the virtues of Ed Miliband. The difference being that Peter Oborne is a passionate defender of the leader, and Dan Hodges his most vocal critic.

Peter explains to Sebastian Payne that while he is a conservative journalist, his job is to tell the truth, and put political prejudices to one side, which leads him to conclude that Ed Miliband is a man of incredible accomplishment and bravery, whose efficacy is demonstrated by the ferocity of the press backlash against him.

Here’s what Oborne has to say:

I have followed Mr Miliband with growing admiration as Labour leader. I think he has been the greatest leader of the opposition since something like Attlee, I mean certainly since World War Two, in terms of sheer achievement.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/02/peter-oborne-ed-miliband-is-the-greatest-opposition-leader-since-the-war/

Coming from a Conservative journalist who only seeks the truth that is a huge compliment to Ed Miliband

Dan Hodges, however, is not convinced that he’s done a good job as leader of the opposition:

   But the reality is, whatever Ed Miliband’s qualities are, the primary job of a leader of the opposition is to stop being leader of the opposition and to become Prime Minister, and to maximise your chances of becoming Prime Minister. And the reality is that Ed Milibad through the way he has conducted his leadership, through the strategic choices he has taken, has consistently minimised his chances of becoming Prime Minister.

Judge for yourself which of these two views is the correct one.

   
   

Thanks Irn I love a good comedy

You didn't say which version you thought was right and why.

What version Irn, this thread is hilarious to think Milband would ever be good at anything. He is less popular than Cameron, who is less popular than the Labour party.
What does that tell you?

Brasidas wrote:What version Irn, this thread is hilarious to think Milband would ever be good at anything. He is less popular than Cameron, who is less popular than the Labour party.
What does that tell you?  

There are two opinions given in the article - you did read it?

Which one do you think is right,,,if any?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:What version Irn, this thread is hilarious to think Milband would ever be good at anything. He is less popular than Cameron, who is less popular than the Labour party.
What does that tell you?  

There are two opinions given in the article - you did read it?

Which one do you think is right,,,if any?

Wow two, really Irn ha ha ha ha

You thinm someone less popular than Cameron is going to be embraced by the populace and be a good leader when he has massive flaws like speaking in public?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:What version Irn, this thread is hilarious to think Milband would ever be good at anything. He is less popular than Cameron, who is less popular than the Labour party.
What does that tell you?  

There are two opinions given in the article - you did read it?

Which one do you think is right,,,if any?

Wow two, really Irn ha ha ha ha

You thinm someone less popular than Cameron is going to be embraced by the populace and be a good leader when he has massive flaws like speaking in public?

You obviously have nothing to offer this thread in connection with the two opinions given. Sums it up then.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Wow two, really Irn ha ha ha ha

You thinm someone less popular than Cameron is going to be embraced by the populace and be a good leader when he has massive flaws like speaking in public?

You obviously have nothing to offer this thread in connection with the two opinions given. Sums it up then.

You think two opinions out of 62 million people is valid, when Miliband is less popular than Cameron?
Seems your faith is very misguided based on those stats.

Night

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Wow two, really Irn ha ha ha ha

You thinm someone less popular than Cameron is going to be embraced by the populace and be a good leader when he has massive flaws like speaking in public?

You obviously have nothing to offer this thread in connection with the two opinions given. Sums it up then.

You think two opinions out of 62 million people is valid, when Miliband is less popular than Cameron?
Seems your faith is very misguided based on those stats.

Night

The stats don't appear to putting people off voting Labour who are running along on a very small poll lead (on average) or haven't you noticed?

Yep, Lord Ashdown, who always tries to find a way of putting Cons first, gave Labour a 4 point lead today.

risingsun wrote:Yep, Lord Ashdown, who always tries to find a way of putting Cons first, gave Labour a 4 point lead today.

He gave?




That is why some of the left are thick

You mean a poll, what was the latest Guardian Poll Stassi?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


You think two opinions out of 62 million people is valid, when Miliband is less popular than Cameron?
Seems your faith is very misguided based on those stats.

Night

The stats don't appear to putting people off voting Labour who are running along on a very small poll lead (on average) or haven't you noticed?

You mean the poll that Labour had a good lead on which has slipped over the last two years.
What a deflection onto whether he would make a good PM or not and you base this off two opinions and shows your limitations


Night Jock

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


You think two opinions out of 62 million people is valid, when Miliband is less popular than Cameron?
Seems your faith is very misguided based on those stats.

Night

The stats don't appear to putting people off voting Labour who are running along on a very small poll lead (on average) or haven't you noticed?

You mean the poll that Labour had a good lead on which has slipped over the last two years.
What a deflection onto whether he would make a good PM or not and you base this off two opinions and shows your limitations


Night Jock

You make the mistake of believing that people vote for prime ministers,,,they don't.

The polls are very close so we'll just have to wait and see, won't we.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

You mean the poll that Labour had a good lead on which has slipped over the last two years.
What a deflection onto whether he would make a good PM or not and you base this off two opinions and shows your limitations


Night Jock

You make the mistake of believing that people vote for prime ministers,,,they don't.

The polls are very close so we'll just have to wait and see, won't we.

I am not making any mistake, the best weapon the Tories have is Miliband, as he will cost labour this election.
Remember ho told you first

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

You mean the poll that Labour had a good lead on which has slipped over the last two years.
What a deflection onto whether he would make a good PM or not and you base this off two opinions and shows your limitations


Night Jock

You make the mistake of believing that people vote for prime ministers,,,they don't.

The polls are very close so we'll just have to wait and see, won't we.

I am not making any mistake, the best weapon the Tories have is Miliband, as he will cost labour this election.
Remember ho told you first

You are. Is Cameron and Miliband on every ballot paper?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



I am not making any mistake, the best weapon the Tories have is Miliband, as he will cost labour this election.
Remember ho told you first

You are. Is Cameron and Miliband on every ballot paper?

Remember whatI said today and why you will wonder why Labour lost the election

Remember this well

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



I am not making any mistake, the best weapon the Tories have is Miliband, as he will cost labour this election.
Remember ho told you first

You are. Is Cameron and Miliband on every ballot paper?

Remember whatI said today and why you will wonder why Labour lost the election

Remember this well

They're not on every ballot paper though,,,,are they?

Cameron couldn't even get a majority last time and grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory. I remember it well

Still not grasping this are you Irn my boy
Most Tories are thankful Miliband is leading Labour in this election, ask yourself why



Right am off to bed, I guess some of you do not have real jobs.