Disturbing possibility that US forces raped boys in front of their mothers

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According to a number of global mainstream media sources, the Pentagon is covering up a disturbing video that was never made public with the rest of the recent torture report.

According to various well respected journalists, including Seymour Hersh, the appalling video was recorded at Abu Ghraib, the notorious US torture dungeon in Iraq that made headlines roughly a decade ago, when the inhumane tactics being used at the prison were exposed.

Sadly, it seems that the evidence released years ago was only scratching the surface.

While the video has remained under wraps thus far, Hersh says it is only a matter of time before it comes out.

Giving a speech at the ACLU last week after the senate torture report was initially released, Hersh gave some insight into what was on the Pentagon’s secret tape.

In the most revealing portion of his speech he said that:

“Debating about it, ummm … Some of the worst things that happened you don’t know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib … The women were passing messages out saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what’s happened’ and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It’s going to come out.”

“It’s impossible to say to yourself how did we get there? Who are we? Who are these people that sent us there? When I did My Lai I was very troubled like anybody in his right mind would be about what happened. I ended up in something I wrote saying in the end I said that the people who did the killing were as much victims as the people they killed because of the scars they had, I can tell you some of the personal stories by some of the people who were in these units witnessed this. I can also tell you written complaints were made to the highest officers and so we’re dealing with a enormous massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there and higher, and we have to get to it and we will. We will. You know there’s enough out there, they can’t (Applause). …. So it’s going to be an interesting election year.”

Put into context with another speech that Hersh gave earlier this year, it becomes clear that the women who witnessed these young boys being raped were actually their mothers.

At a speech in Chicago this past June Hersh was quoted as saying:

“You haven’t begun to see evil… horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run.”

Other stories at the London Guardian also talked of young Iraqi detainees getting violently raped by US soldiers.

Ten years ago when the initial Abu Ghraib scandal was in the news, the Guardian published the testimony of an Abu Ghraib detainee who allegedly witnessed one of these brutal attacks.

Former detainee Kasim Hilas said in their testimony that:

“I saw [name blacked out] fucking a kid, his age would be about 15-18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [blacked out], who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid’s ass, I couldn’t see the face of the kid because his face wasn’t in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures.”

Now, over a decade later the evidence of these events are beginning to surface, but the Department of Defense is still doing their best to keep it under the radar. That is why now more than ever, it is important to keep the pressure on and force the release of this evidence, while the torture report is fresh in the minds of the general population.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/classified-evidence-us-soldiers-raped-boys-in-front-of-their-mothers/200160/


If this turns out to be true, damn them to hell, and damn the people higher up who let them get away with it and probably sanctioned it.

Brasidas wrote:The report is irrelvant to the points I making and because you had no answer to my points you now go on about a previous report.
Moot point on every level, so either counter my points which you always fail to do or start a new thread on this report. This is an assumption on rape to children here and you use wiki which can be altered by many people, is not valid evidence.
This is what you always do when I tear apart your views, you move the goals posts.
The left never have much comprehension on strategy, I had to teach this to Irn over the falklands.

Brasidas wrote: I have all the minutes of all the discussions,

Still smarting Didge?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:The report is irrelvant to the points I making and because you had no answer to my points you now go on about a previous report.
Moot point on every level, so either counter my points which you always fail to do or start a new thread on this report. This is an assumption on rape to children here and you use wiki which can be altered by many people, is not valid evidence.
This is what you always do when I tear apart your views, you move the goals posts.
The left never have much comprehension on strategy, I had to teach this to Irn over the falklands.

Brasidas wrote: I have all the minutes of all the discussions,

Still smarting Didge?

Over educating you?
I loved it.


  

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:The report is irrelvant to the points I making and because you had no answer to my points you now go on about a previous report.
Moot point on every level, so either counter my points which you always fail to do or start a new thread on this report. This is an assumption on rape to children here and you use wiki which can be altered by many people, is not valid evidence.
This is what you always do when I tear apart your views, you move the goals posts.
The left never have much comprehension on strategy, I had to teach this to Irn over the falklands.

Brasidas wrote: I have all the minutes of all the discussions,

Still smarting Didge?

Over educating you?
I loved it.


  

Oh yes, caused you to embark on one of the most outrageous meltdowns I had seen in a long time. I was cringing for you, I really was.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Over educating you?
I loved it.


  

Oh yes, caused you to embark on one of the most outrageous meltdowns I had seen in a long time. I was cringing for you, I really was.

That was me having the best laugh. What you did was come out with a poor accusation because as I stated many miners were scum and you lost it making this infantile claim and then I let you have it to the point you shit your pants and were off line for a few days. This all happened becuase you got your arse kicked on the Falklands.


It was epic

      

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Over educating you?
I loved it.


  

Oh yes, caused you to embark on one of the most outrageous meltdowns I had seen in a long time. I was cringing for you, I really was.

That was me having the best laugh. What you did was come out with a poor accusation because as I stated many miners were scum and you lost it making this infantile claim and then I let you have it to the point you shit your pants and were off line for a few days. This all happened becuase you got your arse kicked on the Falklands.


It was epic

      

You do not abuse family members, you said...



Yes, I see that. You went scatty

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



That was me having the best laugh. What you did was come out with a poor accusation because as I stated many miners were scum and you lost it making this infantile claim and then I let you have it to the point you shit your pants and were off line for a few days. This all happened becuase you got your arse kicked on the Falklands.


It was epic

      

You do not abuse family members, you said...



Yes, I see that. You went scatty

Hilarious, I never knew you were related to Stassi, is she your Mum?

That is an old joke, which I guess you have no sense of humour:

http://www.lotsofjokes.com/youre_ugly.asp

Sense of humour failure ha ha

She has brought down 3 forums, so only going by facts

  

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



That was me having the best laugh. What you did was come out with a poor accusation because as I stated many miners were scum and you lost it making this infantile claim and then I let you have it to the point you shit your pants and were off line for a few days. This all happened becuase you got your arse kicked on the Falklands.


It was epic

      

You do not abuse family members, you said...



Yes, I see that. You went scatty

Hilarious, I never knew you were related to Stassi, is she your Mum?

That is an old joke, which I guess you have no sense of humour:

http://www.lotsofjokes.com/youre_ugly.asp

Sense of humour failure ha ha

She has brought down 3 forums, so only going by facts

  

You lied Didge and you're lying again about the three forums as well. In fact I think Victor said just recently that he held you partly responsible for SF closing. I'm sure Sassy was long gone before ADO closed and Electric Sky is still there.

And another



You just got desperate Didge and here you are still trying to prove something.

Still smarting and still hurting. Had a knock on effect I believe

He held me resposible?



Fucking priceless, it was a fight between Stassi and Quill, which had nothing to do ith me, so now you further lie, which is typical of left faced with damning evidence.
So prey tell how I had anything to do with that where Stassi was trying to find out his real identity? The actions of hat only a child would do when clearly wound up?



Seriously thank you for just proving how poor the left are when they defend the indefensible like Stassi. Everywhere she goes she brings down forums

Also many moderators resigned and left because of the censorship imposed and denying people free speech, because you commies wsih to stop people challenging your views. I think I was banned once for not believing a personal story. Then a new rule was invented to say I could not challenge a claim to a personal claim to something they did.
You cannot make it up how the left try to sniffle different opinions by banning somebody over something as lame as that. Which is why many resigned over such madness, but hey you do invent nonsense to protect the indefensible
This though did not bring about the forum shutting down, that was over Stassi trying to be underhanded and exposing the real identity of Quill.

Brasidas wrote:He held me resposible?

 

Fucking priceless, it was a fight between Stassi and Quill, which had nothing to do ith me, so now you further lie, which is typical of left faced with damning evidence.
So prey tell how I had anything to do with that where Stassi was trying to find out his real identity? The actions of hat only a child would do when clearly wound up?


   
Seriously thank you for just proving how poor the left are when they defend the indefensible like Stassi. Everywhere she goes she brings down forums  

I'm just pointing out what Victor said and as he was the forum owner I see no reason why he would lie about it.

And the other 2 forums?

You're wound up Didge and coming out with all this nonsense looks bad and it isn't doing you any good

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:He held me resposible?

 

Fucking priceless, it was a fight between Stassi and Quill, which had nothing to do ith me, so now you further lie, which is typical of left faced with damning evidence.
So prey tell how I had anything to do with that where Stassi was trying to find out his real identity? The actions of hat only a child would do when clearly wound up?


   
Seriously thank you for just proving how poor the left are when they defend the indefensible like Stassi. Everywhere she goes she brings down forums  

I'm just pointing out what Victor said and as he was the forum owner I see no reason why he would lie about it.

And the other 2 forums?

You're wound up Didge and coming out with all this nonsense looks bad and it isn't doing you any good

Pointing out by your inability to post up this false claim?
I am fine and dandy Irn as seen you had to yet again lie very poorly, because as seen you were very much an instigated of stiffing free speech to the point as stated you would ban people for not believing a personal story. That the extreme left for you.
Stassi sturred up people to leave electricsky and  a different opinion mark 3, making both forums go dead and for what, so she could then make speakfree go into meltdown.
As I say, the extreme left always ignore the evidence and even worse try to stifle debate, if hey do not like your views.
It is not doing you any good as a moderator acting as childishly now again as you are and it took me little to get you to react again.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:He held me resposible?

 

Fucking priceless, it was a fight between Stassi and Quill, which had nothing to do ith me, so now you further lie, which is typical of left faced with damning evidence.
So prey tell how I had anything to do with that where Stassi was trying to find out his real identity? The actions of hat only a child would do when clearly wound up?


   
Seriously thank you for just proving how poor the left are when they defend the indefensible like Stassi. Everywhere she goes she brings down forums  

I'm just pointing out what Victor said and as he was the forum owner I see no reason why he would lie about it.

And the other 2 forums?

You're wound up Didge and coming out with all this nonsense looks bad and it isn't doing you any good

Pointing out by your inability to post up this false claim?
I am fine and dandy Irn as seen you had to yet again lie very poorly, because as seen you were very much an instigated of stiffing free speech to the point as stated you would ban people for not believing a personal story. That the extreme left for you.
Stassi sturred up people to leave electricsky and  a different opinion mark 3, making both forums go dead and for what, so she could then make speakfree go into meltdown.
As I say, the extreme left always ignore the evidence and even worse try to stifle debate, if hey do not like your views.
It is not doing you any good as a moderator acting as childishly now again as you are and it took me little to get you to react again.

I never banned anyone so that's a lie.

And the other 2 forums?

And that last paragraph is priceless

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Pointing out by your inability to post up this false claim?
I am fine and dandy Irn as seen you had to yet again lie very poorly, because as seen you were very much an instigated of stiffing free speech to the point as stated you would ban people for not believing a personal story. That the extreme left for you.
Stassi sturred up people to leave electricsky and  a different opinion mark 3, making both forums go dead and for what, so she could then make speakfree go into meltdown.
As I say, the extreme left always ignore the evidence and even worse try to stifle debate, if hey do not like your views.
It is not doing you any good as a moderator acting as childishly now again as you are and it took me little to get you to react again.

I never banned anyone so that's a lie.

And the other 2 forums?

And that last paragraph is priceless  

Did you resign out of the injustice done like the rest?

Nope you were complicit to their actions.

As seen you are still reacting which is hilarious, read back on the other two forums, it is there, or do you need glasses was well as an education?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Pointing out by your inability to post up this false claim?
I am fine and dandy Irn as seen you had to yet again lie very poorly, because as seen you were very much an instigated of stiffing free speech to the point as stated you would ban people for not believing a personal story. That the extreme left for you.
Stassi sturred up people to leave electricsky and  a different opinion mark 3, making both forums go dead and for what, so she could then make speakfree go into meltdown.
As I say, the extreme left always ignore the evidence and even worse try to stifle debate, if hey do not like your views.
It is not doing you any good as a moderator acting as childishly now again as you are and it took me little to get you to react again.

I never banned anyone so that's a lie.

And the other 2 forums?

And that last paragraph is priceless  

Did you resign out of the injustice done like the rest?

Nope you were complicit to their actions.

As seen you are still reacting which is hilarious, read back on the other two forums, it is there, or do you need glasses was well as an education?

So I never banned anyone did I? You lied.

I resigned because you said I used my mod status to gain an unfair advantage over you in debates which wasn't true. You just didn't win enough.

So I asked Victor to make me an ordinary member so that you couldn't make that claim anymore.

Do you want me to stop responding? I will if it's all too much for you to cope with.

Electric Sky is still there and ADO closed long after Sassy had left.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Did you resign out of the injustice done like the rest?

Nope you were complicit to their actions.

As seen you are still reacting which is hilarious, read back on the other two forums, it is there, or do you need glasses was well as an education?

So I never banned anyone did I? You lied.

I resigned because you said I used my mod status to gain an unfair advantage over you in debates which wasn't true. You just didn't win enough.

So I asked Victor to make me an ordinary member so that you couldn't make that claim anymore.

Do you want me to stop responding? I will if it's all too much for you to cope with.

Electric Sky is still there and ADO closed long after Sassy had left.

You were complicit in the ban, which means you are standing by the ban meaning you are banning the person, that makes you guilty of banning, so I never lied at all unlike yourself.
I won most of the debates between us, my view on you was you were over reaching your powers I proved.
The fact is you never resigned over the 3 times stassi banned me for the most absurd claims, one being again not believing a personal story. You stood by this decision, making you culpable.

I told you she stirred up posters to leave both forums, thus leaving the forums with a few posters who held similar views. She enticed them to come to speakfree, even though it was Sphinxs forum, so again you defend the indefensible. She was only their to recruit for speakfree and we all saw her underhandedness.
Do as you please, I am just enjoying watching you squirm

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Did you resign out of the injustice done like the rest?

Nope you were complicit to their actions.

As seen you are still reacting which is hilarious, read back on the other two forums, it is there, or do you need glasses was well as an education?

So I never banned anyone did I? You lied.

I resigned because you said I used my mod status to gain an unfair advantage over you in debates which wasn't true. You just didn't win enough.

So I asked Victor to make me an ordinary member so that you couldn't make that claim anymore.

Do you want me to stop responding? I will if it's all too much for you to cope with.

Electric Sky is still there and ADO closed long after Sassy had left.

You were complicit in the ban, which means you are standing by the ban meaning you are banning the person, that makes you guilty of banning, so I never lied at all unlike yourself.
I won most of the debates between us, my view on you was you were over reaching your powers I proved.
The fact is you never resigned over the 3 times stassi banned me for the most absurd claims, one being again not believing a personal story. You stood by this decision, making you culpable.

I told you she stirred up posters to leave both forums, thus leaving the forums with a few posters who held similar views. She enticed them to come to speakfree, even though it was Sphinxs forum, so again you defend the indefensible. She was only their to recruit for speakfree and we all saw her underhandedness.
Do as you please, I am just enjoying watching you squirm

Little point you missed Didge which should have obvious after my last post. I wasn't a mod when you were banned.

Laters :lol

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



You were complicit in the ban, which means you are standing by the ban meaning you are banning the person, that makes you guilty of banning, so I never lied at all unlike yourself.
I won most of the debates between us, my view on you was you were over reaching your powers I proved.
The fact is you never resigned over the 3 times stassi banned me for the most absurd claims, one being again not believing a personal story. You stood by this decision, making you culpable.

I told you she stirred up posters to leave both forums, thus leaving the forums with a few posters who held similar views. She enticed them to come to speakfree, even though it was Sphinxs forum, so again you defend the indefensible. She was only their to recruit for speakfree and we all saw her underhandedness.
Do as you please, I am just enjoying watching you squirm

Little point you missed Didge which should have obvious after my last post. I wasn't a mod when you were banned.

Laters :lol

Lie number 3., on two occasions you were.

Whoops


Buck buck

Oh my god! If you two put up any more of those stupid picture posts I'm going to slap both your arses with my freaking Palm!!!!!!

Really? Tough, unless Ben tells me not to use picture posts I have every intention of carrying on using them, many carry strong messages that can't be put over in a normal post.

Like this:

I like Picture posts  
more creative than just writing a line of abuse   
but better if Funny   

Erm I know a way of saying what a picture post says.

"Type it yourself."

There. I just typed that.
It would sound the same if it were White type on black with a frame round it.

No it wouldn't, I scrolled past that and nearly missed it.

risingsun wrote:No it wouldn't, I scrolled past that and nearly missed it.

Liar liar pants on fire

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



You were complicit in the ban, which means you are standing by the ban meaning you are banning the person, that makes you guilty of banning, so I never lied at all unlike yourself.
I won most of the debates between us, my view on you was you were over reaching your powers I proved.
The fact is you never resigned over the 3 times stassi banned me for the most absurd claims, one being again not believing a personal story. You stood by this decision, making you culpable.

I told you she stirred up posters to leave both forums, thus leaving the forums with a few posters who held similar views. She enticed them to come to speakfree, even though it was Sphinxs forum, so again you defend the indefensible. She was only their to recruit for speakfree and we all saw her underhandedness.
Do as you please, I am just enjoying watching you squirm

Little point you missed Didge which should have obvious after my last post. I wasn't a mod when you were banned.

Laters :lol

Lie number 3., on two occasions you were.

Whoops


Buck buck

Didge old bean. You said I was complicit in the ban - the specific one being discussed. I've highlighted your own words above. Not 'bans' you silly billy.

See, you lied.