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by Guest Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:14 pm

criminal convictions in their own country........bringing there vileness here

A man has been found guilty of murdering an 85-year-old woman by stabbing her seven times with a pair of scissors.

Robert Buczek, 24, killed Eleanor Whitelaw in her home at Morningside, Edinburgh.

During the assault, he dragged her through the house and dumped her in a room while he stole stamps, cameras and jewellery from the property.

After his conviction, the High Court in Glasgow heard that the Polish national had a previous conviction for the assault and robbery of a pensioner when he was 14.

In 2005, in his native Poland, he knocked over an 82-year-old woman and stole her handbag.

His trial for the murder of the Edinburgh pensioner was told how she was found lying covered in blood by her husband, 88-year-old Robert Whitelaw.

She had suffered a fractured skull during the attack and had been struck with the scissors on the neck and body.

Mrs Whitelaw was taken to Edinburgh's Royal Infirmary but died 17 days later.

Buczek denied the crime but was convicted unanimously by the jury.

The killer had left his DNA at the house and had also been spotted running in the street by a neighbour.

He will be sentenced on 17 March.

Detective Chief Inspector Keith Hardie, of Police Scotland, said: "This was a brutal and sustained attack on an elderly lady in her own home and our dedicated enquiry team worked tirelessly to trace the perpetrator.

"Now that Robert Buczek has been convicted, I hope the family of Eleanor Whitelaw will be left with some closure."

surely his past crime should disbar him from being allowed here......

by Raggamuffin Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:37 am

You'd think something would be done, but it never is.

There's that chap who's wanted in the US for allegedly raping a child. He came here, and he won't be going back to the US apparently because it would be a breach of his human rights to send him back. Of course, he hasn't been convicted, and he could well be innocent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11357150/Doctor-accused-of-child-rape-in-US-overturns-extradition-bid.html

by eddie Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:15 am

This country is just slowly getting filled with the junk that no one else wants.

by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:57 pm

EU free movement allows for foreign criminals from Europe to travel here and stay as long as they like.

And inevitably carry on with their criminal activities.

Free movement is a non negotiable part of EU membership.

The only way to end the madness is to get out ed the EU.

And The only way to do that is to stop voting for lib lab con who are all pro Europe, all responsible for getting us in to The current madness that is the EU, and will always find excuses to keep us in.

Vote for lib lab con for more of the same or vote UKIP for real change!!!

by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:EU free movement allows for foreign criminals from Europe to travel here and stay as long as they like.
And inevitably carry on with their criminal activities.
Free movement is a non negotiable part of EU membership.
The only way to end the madness is to get out ed the EU.
And The only way to do that is to stop voting for lib lab con who are all pro Europe, all responsible for getting us in to The current madness that is the EU, and will always find excuses to keep us in.Vote for lib lab con for more of the same or vote UKIP for real change!!!

Does not matter whether the UK is in the EU or not unless you are going to stop anyone visiting this country. To make the claim of criminals off free movement is nothing short of absurd, playing up to fear, nothing more than a scare tactic by UKIP and co. Again what needs to be looked at is better border controls of those who are entering this country and better partnership between EU countries on information and the movement of criminals.

It does not matter if you stopped free movement as you will still have the need of immigration for skilled workers and the many roles that British workers do not want to do. Lets face the fact there has been for years a work shy ethic in this country and a poor ethic on the belief that some jobs are beneath people which needs to change. You cannot force people into jobs, they need to be able to choose the jobs they need, hence why there will always be a need for immigration.

Should there be level restrictions, of course but again a reasonable level. But to use criminality is a non-starter argument, because you cannot predict in many cases who is going to be a criminal, let alone stop the entire tourist trade, let alone the amount of foreign business people that come to this country. This is why the likes of UKIP and others wrongly play on a false fear, when the vast majority of people come to this country to work hard and become part of this nation.

You are using a poor argument off a few criminals to deny the vast majority being here, which if you had your way, would damage the economy of this country irreversibly. Again the way forward is with better safety checks in place at borders, with those who are known criminals from entering this country, whether through free movement, tourism business, asylum seeking etc. So you way is not the best way and just wrongly castigates many innocent people and does not actually deal with the problem whatsoever. More and more EU citizens are in favour of EU reform, which is clearly going to happen as too much is at stake for the EU to not reform.

by Ben Reilly Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:12 pm

Is it reasonable to worry that someone who knocked down an old lady and took her purse when he was 14 would go on to commit murder?

by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:15 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Is it reasonable to worry that someone who knocked down an old lady and took her purse when he was 14 would go on to commit murder?

Only if you believed that criminals cannot reform.
Of which defeats the whole purpose of rehabilitation.
So to answer your question, no it is not reasonable, unless there is other evidence pointing towards the case they would commit further crime Ben

by veya_victaous Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:01 pm

To be fair both Australia and the USA would probably stop you... silent

I personally don't think it should be a blanket rule but should be taken into consideration along with 'reformed character'.

by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:04 pm

veya_victaous wrote:To be fair both Australia and the USA would probably stop you...

I personally don't think it should be a blanket rule but should be taken into consideration along with 'reformed character'.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/scott-morrison-seeks-new-law-to-block-asylum-seeker-legal-challenges

by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:12 pm

Brasidas wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Is it reasonable to worry that someone who knocked down an old lady and took her purse when he was 14 would go on to commit murder?

Only if you believed that criminals cannot reform.

since the % that (and i'm NOT including stupid silly minor crime nor a number of "financial crimes) DONT rehabilitate is rather higher than those who do.......

Of which defeats the whole purpose of rehabilitation.

thats the problem...it should be punishment...and so horrible a punishment that you dont want a second dose.....

So to answer your question, no it is not reasonable, unless there is other evidence pointing towards the case they would commit further crime Ben

the precuationary principle......always the best point to start from.....

by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:15 pm

darknessss wrote:
Brasidas wrote:

Only if you believed that criminals cannot reform.

since the % that (and i'm NOT including stupid silly minor crime nor a number of "financial crimes) DONT rehabilitate is rather higher than those who do.......

Of which defeats the whole purpose of rehabilitation.

thats the problem...it should be punishment...and so horrible a punishment that you dont want a second dose.....

So to answer your question, no it is not reasonable, unless there is other evidence pointing towards the case they would commit further crime Ben

the precuationary principle......always the best point to start from.....

I certainly believe in hard labour as a punishment. My view though is we are not looking at a rational solution to the problems of criminals gaining entry to a country and why to me when people use immigration as a means to deny it, based off poor or lax border checks, is a poor argument as stated already. To be honest free movement should swing both ways on an act of criminality, that the country of origin put up the costs for the incarceration of the offender.

by Ben Reilly Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:44 pm

Sigh ... I'd actually be all for harsher punishments if they were shown to be an effective deterrent to violent crime. They're shown to be the opposite, though, so we just make society less safe when we make punishments more harsh.

I know the idea of being kind to someone who has committed a violent crime doesn't sit well in the stomach. But the end goal (making society safer from violent people) is more important.

http://crime.about.com/od/prison/a/harsh_punishment.htm

by Guest Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:46 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sigh ... I'd actually be all for harsher punishments if they were shown to be an effective deterrent to violent crime. They're shown to be the opposite, though, so we just make society less safe when we make punishments more harsh.

I know the idea of being kind to someone who has committed a violent crime doesn't sit well in the stomach. But the end goal (making society safer from violent people) is more important.

http://crime.about.com/od/prison/a/harsh_punishment.htm

s'easy ben, at least for violent offenders.....you either straighten up whilst in jail, and continue to behave when released...or next time you dont get out...at all........

far too many times these sort have "bitten the hand that reached out to them"

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