James O'Brien Dismantles Radio Caller Who Demands Muslims Apologise For Paris Massacre

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let me take a crack at apologizing on behalf of Muslims who aren't terrorists:

"We really regret that some people kill Westerners in the name of our religion. Of course, we also regret that they kill peaceful Muslims in the name of our religion, and we regret having to live in such close proximity to people who have professed their dedication to a completely nightmarish vision for the future of our society.

"We also regret the inevitable retaliations against innocent Muslims (or even just people who look to someone like a Muslim) by anybody, ranging from a Western government dropping bombs indiscriminately to some redneck who decides it's time to burn down his local mosque or shoot the cashier at his local convenience store.

"And finally, we're sorry that we will be denigrated and reviled for these acts by people who are too stupid and bigoted to understand that while these attacks were being carried out, the vast majority of us were simply going about our lives."

veya_victaous wrote:yeah but for every decent anyone there is a dickhead

I don't know what the ratio is in Europe by Here the vast majority (at least 100 to 1) are like Ahmed, secular Muslims that are no more an issue than secular Christians.
its the other way round here....you ought to have a ride round the "birminghamistan region"

I think your point about 'when in Rome' is Valid but there is expecting people to follow your laws(but allowing them to keep their traditions within that) and then expecting people to abandon their culture and adopt everything about yours. )(also what is fundamentally wrong about that ...they volunteered to come here even were desperate to do so in some cases....)

Now you see the problem isnt THAT easy... personally I dont give a toss if someone wants to stick his nose to the floor facing east 5 times a day or dress his women in sack bags, hell I dont even Really care if he wants to torture his own....as long as its done outta my sight...BUT I do object...strenuously when they (and it matters not if it is "only a few", which truth be known it is) can be allowed to stand on a street hassling and kicking off at people christmas shopping, simply because THEY dont like it...(refers to choudrey and his mob in christmas 2013) and many many other things of similar ilk....I find it objectionable when THEY have the brass neck to complain about how our girls dress... etc etc ...they have NO right to object
this is what I mean about "cultural distance"

quite simply...within the law...they should be allowed to do what the hell they want...BUT they should have NO say in what and how WE do things. opinions...yes input into things...NO.
 
Even Ancient Rome's success was in part to being the former. And from what I see from down here modern Europe is expecting the latter from New Migrants.

Why is peoples religion bringing into question their national Identity? People are multifaceted, you can be more than 1 thing.

Self made ghettos??? I think that takes both. Immigrants will naturally move near each other because they trust the recommendation in a strange and foreign place and for socio economic reasons as much as anything.
When the locals then treat the immigrants with mistrust or hostility it doesn't encourage the immigrants to move next door and start mixing it up with the locals, the opposite it makes them feel like a separate people and greatly hinders merging into the rest of the community, they are less likely to find employment outside of ghettos thus giving them no reason to naturally disperse. (and further assimilate over generations) The assimilation though is never going to happen ...at least not with the nut jobs we have...Maybe you have "different Muslims"...seriously ....are your folks indonesian rather than what we get? which might explain things...as is so forcibly pushed on here "Muslims" are far from "homogenous".
over here the thought of Muslims marrying any other religion would raise eyebrows in the "others" and sabers in the Muslims....even if the"other " converted there would still be problems
tyhe ONLY way it would be allwed in any case is a "other" woman converting to islam and then marrying....I do beleive the opposite would NOT be acceptable to Muslims...

so who is NOT integrating or assimilating?

“What can we do in the Muslim community to bring them into the mainstream even more.”

O’Keefe cut the writer off: “But we’ve already been discussing this! We’ve been discussing this for a long time Rita.”

“Every time a fundamentalist Christian in the United States bombs an abortion clinic or bombs a synagogue do we hold all the Christians in the world accountable for that?”

Panahi responded: “Andrew that’s such a nonsensical argument.”

O’Keefe refuted her statement as Radio 4BC’s Patrick Condren was awkwardly waiting for his input.

“No it’s not Rita. You’re holding the majority responsible for a minority,” O’Keefe said.

But Panahi didn’t back down.

“We’ve got to stop doing what you just did and pretending like Islam is like any other religion as far as being behind incidences of terror.”

Condren then weighed in on the debate suggesting he was on O’Keefe’s side of the argument before discussing the Muslim burqa.

“Who wouldn’t find the burqa confronting?” Panahi interrupted.

“You don’t find a woman with her entire face other than her eyes concealed, confronting?”

Condren continued: “I don’t find it confronting in any way, shape or form.”

“I’m not that narrow-minded.”

Panahi responded: “I don’t find that narrow-minded at all in fact if you value the rights of women you’d have issues with the burqa.”

Emerson, who describes himself as a terrorism expert, runs an organisation called the Investigative Project on Terrorism.

He gravely told presenter Jeanine Pirro that Birmingham was now completely closed to non-Muslims: “…in Britain, it’s not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in.”
This was a bit of a shock to the residents of Birmingham where, according to Birmingham city council, just 21.8% of the city’s population are Muslim.

Over 40% of Brummies describe themselves as Christian, while the city also has a large population of teenage goths. It is understood many of them are allowed to travel around their own city.
So the internet created #FoxNewsFacts, to show how the channel would report on other matters.
Because in the world of #FoxNewsFacts, it’s pretty clear Birmingham is now a Muslim-only city.

darknessss wrote:yeah well veya you are right...BUT......


for every ONE of him there are 100 living like this with all it entails



and THERIN lies the problem....

Oh and dont act dumb and focus on the clothing...thats merely one "symptom"

veya wrote:
"..and I laugh at them because I actually go there, Best Baklava around. Never had a problem and if Any thing the streets are much politer around there than a lot of the 'anglo' areas (Sutherland shire, Cronulla) Mind you I come from an Area that is traditionally rougher, and those 'Shire boys' probably wouldn't say nice things about 'westies' either.  

veya_victaous wrote:sounds like what people used to say 10-15 years ago here (25 years ago it was Asians and 35 years ago it was Mediterranean "wogs")      
and was proven to be mainly shit and never representative of the majority, Like you regularly have FOX news etc saying shit about Muslims hating Christmas which is not true. Even from here I can see that Choudrey Fellow in Not the majority and in no way represents most British Muslims, I'm sure most British Muslims would find him an embarrassment.

You see the whole inter marriage thing they used to say about Catholics too.. all it takes is enough people to not give a fuck and it goes away because strangely 'love conquers' and so does not giving a fuck.
Just because some Muslims are uncomfortable with it Doesn't mean shit, So how is that even relevant. Their are heaps of Dickheads that don't approve of Gay love either Does that stop Gays being together? Also Maybe if British guys had balls, I have dated a Muslim Girl and My brother had a long term relationship with one(they broke up after 7 years) Ever think that once they have a secular boyfriend and see 'hey I have all these rights here that will actually be respected' they are not keen on dating a fundie again and will definitely not wear a Hijab, the Girl I was dating did wear a head scarf most of the time but it was personal preference rather than being forced to.

Most of Our Muslims are Turks, Pakistani or Lebanese but we do have Indonesian etc as well. recently we have had a lot of Afghanis.

what's Fundamentally wrong with that is that it doesn't work and is not inline with the rest of the western world. Why should they do some half arsed shit just cause some the locals do???.. welcome to the Global world, EUROPE forced it on everyone else so Europeans can get fucked if they think they are separate from it. Suggesting they should have to conform to local Traditions is like supporting Sharia, when you make laws because of 'tradition' instead of justice You're in the wrong. (actually part of why I say Europe is now 3rd world as it is the attitude we would expect from uneducated hill shepherds not a near majority in modern nations) sigh...which is what I said....as far as I am concerned they can go f**k donkeys in their own back yards....they dont HAVE to "conform" to my standards....BUT when theirs and mine overlap...sorry sunshine....mine takes precedence....you came here because you wanted to.

Part of the problem is actually highlighted by you, some Muslims express an opinion you take it to be a hard-line opinion of ALL Muslims Not even considering that a fair portion of Muslims will still put their national identity over their religion.

They do have a right to object that is the POINT OF FREE SPEECH, we don't have to listen to them.

which is more or less what I said...they cann have their opinion...even say it (in a PROPER manner) but that opinion should NOT influence policy..

Yeah we have Racists (ADL members etc) that Say 'Aurbanon look it is basically a Jihad there', but those guys are cowards and idiots and I laugh at them because I actually go there, Best Baklava around. Never had a problem and if Any thing the streets are much politer around there than a lot of the 'anglo' areas (Sutherland shire, Cronulla) Mind you I come from an Area that is traditionally rougher, and those 'Shire boys' probably wouldn't say nice things about 'westies' either.

Brasidas wrote:

darknessss wrote:yeah well veya you are right...BUT......


for every ONE of him there are 100 living like this with all it entails



and THERIN lies the problem....

Oh and dont act dumb and focus on the clothing...thats merely one "symptom"

This is why people fueled by hate, have the worst and most exagerrated perceptions of a situation.
It is a small minority that wears the burka, which I do not agree with and believe is backwards, but some Muslim for right or wrong beliefs, feel to them it is liberating in the service of their deity.
The fact it is really poor claims and exagerrated claims to how many do wear the burka, shows the real intent behind the poster and their views.
Now I believe that the Burka is at odds with western society, due to the fact that we communicate 80% through body language of this clothing denies, hence why I support the face veil ban in France. What you do not do is as you do now castigate them as a problem, where some even are forced and are victims here. What you is help bring about change, which in your book seems to be around bashing people in your views on them. It is this kind of childish mentality that does not bring about change.

Brasidas wrote:Yes I have and the amount of Muslim wear this is around 1,000  in this country, which is a very small minority out of 2.9 million.
Where you again miss my whole point being made and again proves people have such poor perceptions.

The hero of the supermarket

Lassana Bathily is a 24-year-old Muslim shop assistant at the Hyper Cacher kosher supermarket in Porte de Vincennes, Paris. Bathily, who is originally from Mali, was in the store last Friday when terrorist Amedy Coulibaly — who pledged allegiance to ISIS and who officials say was connected to the two Charlie Hebdo shooters — stormed in and opened fire. The militant killed several customers and began taking hostages.

But as chaos and fear gripped the shop, Bathily reacted quickly to help keep people safe. According to French news outlets, he ushered several frightened customers into a cold storage room and closed the door, shielding them from the attacker.

“When they came running down I opened the door of the fridge,” he said, according to The Guardian. “Several came in with me. I turned off the light and the fridge. When I turned off the cold, I put them in. I closed the door. I told them to stay calm and I said ‘you stay quiet there, I’m going back out’.”

Bathily then discretely escaped the shop through the goods lift. He was promptly arrested by the robust police force that had surrounded the store, as he was suspected of being a co-conspirator with the terrorists. He was eventually freed, however, and gave police details about the layout of the store and where people were hiding. He also reportedly gave officers a key to the door, which allowed them to storm the store without having to burst through the shutters.

Later, after the siege ended and the gunman was killed, several of the former hostages Bathily shepherded into the cold storage room approached him and shook his hand, thanking him.

When interviewed about the experience on BFMTV, he calmly rejected the same religious hatred that the terrorists embraced, saying, “We are brothers. It’s not a question of Jews, of Christians or of Muslims. We’re all in the same boat, we have to help each other to get out of this crisis.”

Many people have since taken to social media to herald Bathily as a hero, with one even calling him a Mensch, a yiddish term for a person of honor and integrity.

Brasidas wrote:Like I said some peoples perception is appalling.
Funny how you came back online when smelly did ha ha

darknessss wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Like I said some peoples perception is appalling.
Funny how you came back online when smelly did ha ha

It REALLY IS true that whilst not all stupid people are conservatives all conservatives are stupid......

Brasidas wrote:Yet more accusations you cannot back up, I suggest you have a lie down before your throbbing veins burst on your forehead mate.