Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
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Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
Grand jury “Witness 40,” whose testimony helped Officer Darren Wilson escape criminal charges in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, has been revealed as a virulently racist St. Louis woman with serious credibility issues.
The Smoking Gun reported Monday that information gathered from the unredacted portions of the grand jury transcript had identified the witness as 45-year-old Sandra McElroy, a divorced mother of five who was diagnosed as bipolar as a teenager.
She admitted to grand jurors that she had pleaded guilty in 2007 to two counts of felony check fraud, and she also testified that she had suffered from memory problems since suffering serious head injuries in a 2001 car wreck.
The website, which reported that details from court records matched up with the background of the witness, described McElroy as a “fabulist” whose “law enforcement interviews are deserving of multi-count perjury indictments.”
McElroy first contacted police Sept. 11, four weeks after Wilson shot and killed the 18-year-old Brown during a confrontation – and after the officer’s version of events had been described in media accounts.
She had been commenting on the high-profile case for weeks through her Facebook account, telling another commenter Aug. 17 that an unspecified investigative report and the autopsy had “confirmed” that Brown’s hands were not raised, as the teen’s friend had claimed.
McElroy did not mention at that time that she had been present as a witness to the fatal shooting, The Smoking Gun reported.
She continued posting online comments after meeting with St. Louis police, such as making a sarcastic comment about Brown’s ancestors being owned as slaves 200 years ago.
She also posted a photo Sept. 13 on a pro-Wilson Facebook page of the slain teen’s body lying in the street, captioned: “Michael Brown already received justice. So please, stop asking for it.”
McElroy set up a Facebook donation page, First Responders Support, after Brown’s shooting, but it’s not clear how much money she raised or where it was donated.
McElroy was interviewed Oct. 22 – the day after the St. Louis Post-Dispatch published a lengthy account of Wilson’s version of events — at the FBI field office by an agent and two federal prosecutors.
She claimed she had driven 30 miles from her home to Ferguson to visit a high school friend she hadn’t seen in 26 years, but had no cell phone and an incorrect address, so she stopped to smoke a cigarette and ask directions from a black man standing beneath a tree.
That’s when she allegedly witnessed the fatal shooting unfold.
McElroy’s account closely backed the police version of events, claiming that Brown repeatedly punched Wilson during a confrontation and then turned and fled as Wilson fired his gun.
She told investigators that Brown stopped to pull up his sagging pants, which had revealed his “rear end,” and then turned around, lowered his shoulders, and charged toward the patrol car like a football player as he continued to be struck by a volley of gunshots.
“I know what I seen,” McElroy told skeptical investigators. “I know you don’t believe me.”
The FBI special agent interviewing McElroy doubted she was actually at the scene of the shooting, and noted that McElroy had expressed a desire to help Wilson.
“So you are posting racist things online and you are telling us, you know, and you are telling us, you know, your account and then there are videos that doesn’t show your car,” the special agent said. “And then there is a map that shows you couldn’t (have) left the way you left from… But, obviously, we find out what people’s motivations are when you say you posted things online that are racist and you come in here and tell us an account that supports Darren Wilson… You raised money for Darren Wilson.”
State prosecutors asked McElroy to testify during the grand jury hearing one day after she met with federal investigators, and she told the panel that she had written down her account the day of the fatal shooting – although she hadn’t mentioned the journal the day before.
She returned 11 days later, as prosecutors asked, with handwritten journal pages.
McElroy testified under oath to the grand jury that she had not been looking for a black former classmate but was actually in Ferguson to learn more about African-American culture by striking up conversations with random black people she met.
“Well Im gonna take my random drive to Florisant,” she wrote in the journal. “Need to understand the Black race better so I stop calling Blacks Niggers and Start calling them People.”
She admitted that her sworn testimony no doubt contained information she had read online about the case, but she repeated her claims that she witnessed Brown charge Wilson “like a football player” in a hail of gunfire.
Fox News host Sean Hannity cited McElroy’s testimony – which he claimed came from a black grand jury witness — in an interview with the Brown family’s attorney.
“I understand everybody’s upset, I know you’re working with the Brown family attorney – but who acts like that?” Hannity asks attorney Daryl Parks. “Who acts like that in life?”
“I’m reading, ‘like a football player with his head down charging.’ Who acts like that towards a police officer?” the Fox News host repeated.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/hannity-favorite-witness-40-in-wilson-grand-jury-is-a-liar-and-convicted-felon-report/
Re: Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
Interesting. There are people who intentionally want to get involved in high-profile trials. Usually they are people who want to sit on the jury. Sometimes it is calculating, as when a person intends to write a book. Other times it's just the--what??--the excitement?
Maybe the same thing grabs people to want to become witnesses. It makes sense. Everyone has a script about any given event..large or small. Perhaps there is some urge to see your particular script come true.
A juror has the power of decision. A witness would have a similar power to determine the outcome. In fact, a false witness--albeit faux--would have even more power...the power to (pretend) to know the truth.
Maybe the same thing grabs people to want to become witnesses. It makes sense. Everyone has a script about any given event..large or small. Perhaps there is some urge to see your particular script come true.
A juror has the power of decision. A witness would have a similar power to determine the outcome. In fact, a false witness--albeit faux--would have even more power...the power to (pretend) to know the truth.
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Re: Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
They're randomly selected for trial juries here, LW, but I'm not sure about grand juries. Generally the legal representation here also gets a crack at dismissing candidates (in equal numbers for each side) ... perhaps why I've never been on a jury -- they see I'm from a newspaper and they automatically think my job will trump my sense of civic duty ...
In any case, in the Brown case, if this horrible person was lucky enough to be randomly selected, it would seem that the DA -- which should have been on the side of getting Wilson to trial, but obviously was on the opposite side -- saw her and had their eyes light up.
I was really unlucky with jury duty in my twenties -- got called three times, but I was lucky enough to have an employer that still paid me the same even though I was on duty. (Some people here in the World's Richest Third-World Nation don't get paid anything beyond court compensation when they're on jury duty. It's a great way to disempower the poor.) Since then, nothing, but it's probably just evening out for the time that most people will get selected once at most.
In any case, in the Brown case, if this horrible person was lucky enough to be randomly selected, it would seem that the DA -- which should have been on the side of getting Wilson to trial, but obviously was on the opposite side -- saw her and had their eyes light up.
I was really unlucky with jury duty in my twenties -- got called three times, but I was lucky enough to have an employer that still paid me the same even though I was on duty. (Some people here in the World's Richest Third-World Nation don't get paid anything beyond court compensation when they're on jury duty. It's a great way to disempower the poor.) Since then, nothing, but it's probably just evening out for the time that most people will get selected once at most.
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OVER here, potential jurors are selected at random from the local electoral rolls...
AFTER basic criminal and ineligibility checks, they are then asked if there are any reasons or excuses as to why they shouldn't be available..
THEY may or may not be called to sit on a jury ~ that's a bit of a lottery. There's no way for someone to connive to put themselves forward for Jury Duty..
WHEN some people I know were listed on local jury lists back in the 1980s, where some others bragged about how they would create some wild excuses to avoid it, and some nellies claimed that they "couldn't sit in judgment on another person !" [ ], I was one of those more pragmatic observers who simply decided that if it ever happens to me, then I will simply go with the flow ~ and "treat it as another 'life lesson'".
AS IT turns out, so far I've never been called up for Jury Duty..
No way? There is always a way. We have all the same safeguards you have in Oz, but people who have a determination to get on a jury find a way to go around the obsticles. Most people want to escape jury duty, as you mention. So there are fewer safeguards--and it is easier--to get onto a jury than get off. People have been caught trying to get onto the OJ Simpson jury, the Scott Peterson jury, the Michael Jackson jury, and others. Usually they are caught...they openly admit it either during voir dire, or afterwards to the press.
I've been called for jury duty several time, but never selected. I would love to be on a jury. But as soon as they learn that I am a former Attorney General, I always get struck. Lawyers just don't want other lawyers around to call the shots. They wanna do it themselves.
And in criminal trials, they sure don't want a former law enforcement officer on the jury.
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Re: Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
Hasn't it been observed that one of the weaknesses of U.S. criminal trials is that they're decided by people "too dumb to get out of jury duty"?
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Ben_Reilly wrote:Hasn't it been observed that one of the weaknesses of U.S. criminal trials is that they're decided by people "too dumb to get out of jury duty"?
Uncharitable, but true. Lol.
The principle problem with juries is just what we are seeing in Florida, Missouri and Staten Island. That is, regional beliefs that skew the outcome. Originally that was deemed a good thing--jury of your peers and all that.
But then we got bigger and the coverage of media got wider, and we ended up seeing all the travesties that go on elsewhere. In North Carolina the KKK can hang a black man and nothing is done. In all-white Staten Island or Ferguson, a white cop can kill a black male, and nothing is done. But the whole country observes it, and there are riots in Oakland, Los Angeles, Washington DC, where the sentiments are not local. It's a problem.
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Re: Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
Which is my number-one problem with the idea of "local control" championed by so many on the right -- yes, it is often better to let people who are closest to the issues decide the solutions, but then there's that gay emo heavy metal fan who was simply unlucky enough to be from Ass Wipe, Nebraska, who gets accused of a murder and all the local yokels are just dying to pin something on him, so his civil rights are ignored.
Maybe all cases of police killings need to be of federal jurisdiction, at least for a while. You know, until racism is dead, like the SCOTUS decided with the Voting Rights Act ... :/
Maybe all cases of police killings need to be of federal jurisdiction, at least for a while. You know, until racism is dead, like the SCOTUS decided with the Voting Rights Act ... :/
Re: Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
Lone Wolf wrote:
OVER here, potential jurors are selected at random from the local electoral rolls...
AFTER basic criminal and ineligibility checks, they are then asked if there are any reasons or excuses as to why they shouldn't be available..
THEY may or may not be called to sit on a jury ~ that's a bit of a lottery. There's no way for someone to connive to put themselves forward for Jury Duty..
WHEN some people I know were listed on local jury lists back in the 1980s, where some others bragged about how they would create some wild excuses to avoid it, and some nellies claimed that they "couldn't sit in judgment on another person !" [ ], I was one of those more pragmatic observers who simply decided that if it ever happens to me, then I will simply go with the flow ~ and "treat it as another 'life lesson'".
AS IT turns out, so far I've never been called up for Jury Duty..
Me Neither
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Re: Grave concerns raised about key "witness" in Michael Brown shooting -- FBI doubts the racist woman was even there
Ben_Reilly wrote:Which is my number-one problem with the idea of "local control" championed by so many on the right -- yes, it is often better to let people who are closest to the issues decide the solutions, but then there's that gay emo heavy metal fan who was simply unlucky enough to be from Ass Wipe, Nebraska, who gets accused of a murder and all the local yokels are just dying to pin something on him, so his civil rights are ignored.
Maybe all cases of police killings need to be of federal jurisdiction, at least for a while. You know, until racism is dead, like the SCOTUS decided with the Voting Rights Act ... :/
that should just be the case permanently
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veya_victaous wrote:Ben_Reilly wrote:Which is my number-one problem with the idea of "local control" championed by so many on the right -- yes, it is often better to let people who are closest to the issues decide the solutions, but then there's that gay emo heavy metal fan who was simply unlucky enough to be from Ass Wipe, Nebraska, who gets accused of a murder and all the local yokels are just dying to pin something on him, so his civil rights are ignored.
Maybe all cases of police killings need to be of federal jurisdiction, at least for a while. You know, until racism is dead, like the SCOTUS decided with the Voting Rights Act ... :/
that should just be the case permanently
I agree too. But with a fully Republican Congress, and a conservative Supreme Court, don't count on it.
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