On Moderate Muslims

by Guest Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:42 am

First topic message reminder :

Ever since the Islamic atrocity of 9/11 (some would argue even before that), it has become fashionable to run after "moderate" Muslims, to court them, to highly value their views, to appease them to the point of losing freedoms won through centuries of bloodshed and activism. And yet at some point we must ask ourselves, have we been chasing a mirage all along? Fareed Zakaria explains:

Over the past decade, the United States helped organize Iraq’s “moderates” — the Shiite-dominated government — giving them tens of billions of dollars in aid and supplying and training their army. But, it turned out, the moderates weren’t that moderate. As they became authoritarian and sectarian, Sunni opposition movements grew and jihadi opposition groups such as ISIS gained tacit or active support. This has been a familiar pattern throughout the region.
For decades, U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East has been to support “moderates.” The problem is that there are actually very few of them.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/on-moderate-Muslims.html

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:44 pm

Already answered ages ago dodge.

I'm not going to back up a claim I have not omade.

BUt I'm still waiting for examples and evidence of where I'm wrong/sexist, xenaphobic/homophobic....?

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:06 pm

Still waiting for the verse.

Try again

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:18 pm

You'll be waiting a long time for me to start backing up claims I have not made.....

So how about you backing up some of the claims you have made???

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:44 pm

Copout

Show me the verse, if you think it is Islamic for Muslims to deman Non-Muslims and Muslims must recite the Quran or face execution.

How many more times are you going to be a complete weasel?

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:49 pm

Never said it was dodge.....

They were attacked for being non Muslims.

Koran 9:29

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:02 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Never said it was dodge.....

They were attacked for being non Muslims.

Koran 9:29

Wrong, that verse makes no case to reciting the quran and is in only reference to fighting those who fail to pay a tax.
That verse does not say to execute people.
Verses are very explicit when they say to slay or kill.

Thus try again

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:08 pm

I never said any verse said what you're suggesting.

I'm making a simple observation of THE facts.

Were they singled out and attacked by these Muslims for....

A) being Muslims?

Or

B) not being Muslims?

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I never said any verse said what you're suggesting.

I'm making a simple observation of THE facts.

Were they singled out and attacked by these Muslims for....

A) being Muslims?

Or

B) not being Muslims?

No you are just coming out with more babble.

Show againt the verse, that commands them to recite the Quran or face execution.

Tommy the weasel who avoids answering a simple question

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:06 pm

YOu are asking me to provide evidence to back up a claim I have not made.....

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:27 pm

Oh for goodness sake, it really is getting quite pathetic now.

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:57 pm

I'm glad you have now realised the futility of your false argument.

lol!

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:59 pm

No am still here waiting for you to answer the question which all can see you attempting the weasel out from lol
It just makes you look even more silly.

by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:19 pm

Ask me to back up a claim I have made and I will be more than happy to do so....!

by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:22 pm

You claimed this was because of Islam, how many more times?
Thus you need to back this up with a command asking to recite the Quran, it is that simple.

by nicko Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:51 am

thought the murderers asked them to recite verses from the Koran, those who could not were shot,those who could [Muslims] were spared. Have I got that right?

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:52 am

nicko wrote:thought the murderers asked them to recite verses from the Koran, those who could not were shot,those who could [Muslims] were spared. Have I got that right?

Did you read the links Nicko?
For a start they seperated the Somalians from the Kenyans, which not all Somalians are Muslims for a start.

28 travellers who did not look Somali, or were unable to recite the Shahada, an Islamic creed, were made to lie on the ground where they were murdered, because it was assumed they were not Muslims, police said. Nineteen men and nine women were killed.

by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 pm

You have it right nicko.

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Still waiting Tommy???

by nicko Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:30 pm

Doesn't matter if I got it wrong or not, they were murdered by Muslims and no one can disapprove that!

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:33 pm

nicko wrote:Doesn't matter if I got it wrong or not, they were murdered by Muslims and no one can disapprove that!

They were murdered by extremists, so what is your point if someone kills and they are Christian you equate this then to Christianity?

Even here this was a revenge attack, the main reason for why it occured and why people so easily fail to see the real reason behind this appalling crime.

So what do you want to be right about here?

Your fear of Muslims.

by nicko Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:39 pm

Oh fuck off didge, you'd make a nun swear, allways the opposite view with you.

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:43 pm

nicko wrote:Oh fuck off didge, you'd make a nun swear, allways the opposite view with you.

I suggest you grow up you silly child, this is a debate and you get all worked up over nothing.

by nicko Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:48 pm

Child, you daft idiot, you will be telling me to have my Horlicks and go to bed next. can all ways tell when you loose an argument, you start with the insults,well I wont give you the chance to prove your bigoted arguments chow!!

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:51 pm

nicko wrote:Child, you daft idiot, you will be telling me to have my Horlicks and go to bed next. can all ways tell when you loose an argument, you start with the insults,well I wont give you the chance to prove your bigoted arguments chow!!

You are acting like a spoilt little bratt to be honest who has now turned the debate because you clearly are throwinbg your dummy out over nothing.
You started this bullshit, so you only have yourself to blame.
Grow the fuck up

by nicko Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:13 pm

Grow up, you prat, i'v seen and done more in my life than you will ever do, perhaps if you got off your computer for a short while [ you might see whats going on around you in the big wide world in stead of reading about it on duff websites and huffington posts.

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:36 pm

nicko wrote:Grow up, you prat, i'v seen and done more in my life than you will ever do, perhaps if you got off your computer for a short while [ you might see whats going on around you in the big wide world in stead of reading about it on duff websites and huffington posts.

You have no idea what I have seen, so that is a false declaration, where we have both seen things the other has not, which proves very little, all it shows is you are still acting like a 2 year old, where you offset this debating by acting like a baby.

by nicko Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:21 pm

didge, i'v lost my dummy, if your nasty to me i'l cwry and cwry until I'm sick, I don't think so,i'm wise to you mate, you love to argue even when you know your wrong. it's what you live for because you have no other life but forums and it shows. seriously I feel sorry for you sometimes.

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:25 pm

nicko wrote:didge, i'v lost my dummy, if your nasty to me i'l cwry and cwry until I'm sick, I don't think so,i'm wise to you mate, you love to argue even when you know your wrong. it's what you live for because you have no other life but forums and it shows. seriously I feel sorry for you sometimes.

I am afraid you are just proving yet again how poor your perceptions are Nicko.
This was a debate where you flew off the handle because you could not answer a point, to the point you have continued to deflect from still answering.
It is not only poor but childish and very pathetic.
Now we can continue this all day, or you can stop being a wally and get back to the debate.
Your poor attempts at what you clearly must consider as to insults, really proves what a baby you are.

by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:11 pm

You're a twat dodge!

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You're a twat dodge!

Nope that is not a verse in the Quran that backs a view to recite the Quran or be executed.

Try again

by veya_victaous Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:36 pm

It would be funny if it was in the Koran

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:49 pm

Well it would certainly be thought provoking to find fully formed English in the Quran and myself 1400 years ago.

Muslims would then have some evidence of the future, though I admit that was funny veya.

You see this is the one reason I find the claims to these faiths so poor, as if you want to write a perfect book to reach out to everyone, you would write it in every language so all could read it.

by Guest Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:53 pm

Even more to the point, you would make the book irrefutable to then also have languages fully formed in the book which are only just developing elsewhere.
The question then to ask is why can I think of a better way to make people believe through the idea of a book.??

by veya_victaous Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:09 pm

Agree
which is why I say the very notion that a mortal language could express the divine is sacrilegious to to the divine and rather naive and ego driven on behalf of the author

by nicko Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:12 am

Didge, what point did you want me to answer? I can't answer straight away as I have another life besides here.

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:39 am

nicko wrote:Didge, what point did you want me to answer? I can't answer straight away as I have another life besides here.

If you had time to write this, then you had time to read back to where we left off on the debate,. showing you are just providing poor excuses.
If you have no answer, then this is fine by me.

by nicko Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:56 pm

Don't make excuses, what was your question?

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:11 pm

Brasidas wrote:
nicko wrote:Doesn't matter if I got it wrong or not, they were murdered by Muslims and no one can disapprove that!

They were murdered by extremists, so what is your point if someone kills and they are Christian you equate this then to Christianity?

Even here this was a revenge attack, the main reason for why it occured and why people so easily fail to see the real reason behind this appalling crime.

So what do you want to be right about here?

Your fear of Muslims.

Posted again for the baby, to lazy to look back a few posts.

by nicko Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:15 pm

Answer the question.

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:16 pm

nicko wrote:Answer the question.

There is two questions for you to be answered.
Now I suggest you again learn to grow up and answer or go away and suck your thumb and sulk

Your choice, I will answer later after footie or tomorrow

by nicko Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:53 pm

Whats stopping you now you ignorant big headed inbred? You don't know what

question you asked do you ? so you are just giving your self time to make one up!! forget it dumb arse. Bye the way,how do you find time to work and spend all this time on forums, by your own admission you post on five, how many more I don't know. How do you spend any time with your Wife and kids [if you have an Wife and kids which seems debatable] did you notice posters on here are getting pissed at you? but your so wrapped up with yourself you don't notice.

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:57 pm

nicko wrote:Whats stopping you now you ignorant big headed inbred? You don't know what

question you asked do you ? so you are just giving your self time to make one up!! forget it dumb arse. Bye the way,how do you find time to work and spend all this time on forums, by your own admission you post on five, how many more I don't know. How do you spend any time with your Wife and kids [if you have an Wife and kids which seems debatable] did you notice posters on here are getting pissed at you? but your so wrapped up with yourself you don't notice.

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:04 pm

nicko wrote:Whats stopping you now you ignorant big headed inbred? You don't know what

question you asked do you ? so you are just giving your self time to make one up!! forget it dumb arse. Bye the way,how do you find time to work and spend all this time on forums, by your own admission you post on five, how many more I don't know. How do you spend any time with your Wife and kids [if you have an Wife and kids which seems debatable] did you notice posters on here are getting pissed at you? but your so wrapped up with yourself you don't notice.

Are you making accusations about me? That is interesting, considering when you made a big song and dance when I did to you, on your claims to be in the armed forced.

I will await your apology.

Or are all gloves are off the table now?

Am happy either way, you decide.

As to the questions, there are two there and have been there all along, again if you want to act like a child, that is up to you.

by nicko Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:07 pm

Every one note, he was bullshitting he did not ask a question.

BUT he's good for a laugh.

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:09 pm

nicko wrote:Every one note, he was bullshitting he did not ask a question.

BUT he's good for a laugh.

Are you making accusations about me? That is interesting, considering when you made a big song and dance when I did to you, on your claims to be in the armed forced.

I will await your apology.

Or are all gloves are off the table now?

Am happy either way, you decide.

One last chance Nicko or are you too much of the coward I always thought you were and a complete hypocrite it seems?

by nicko Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:16 pm

Didge, I am totally indifferent to what you say about me, it does not bother me in the slightest,i am who I am so go fuck your self. If you wish to live your life on forums that's entirely up to you . post what you like now, I am finished with it!

by Guest Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:22 pm

nicko wrote:Didge, I am totally indifferent to what you say about me, it does not bother me in the slightest,i am who I am so go fuck your self. If you wish to live your life on forums that's entirely up to you . post what you like now, I am finished with it!

Well that is a complete lie when you said if you were near me at the time you would run me through with a bayonet or fall into a pit of stakes because I claimed you were not in the army, where you went into meltdown..
So basically I have to take the view that you do not mind being very personal and no better than Philagain, who of course I got to apologise to you, for being out of order personally. Where now you make view points about my family, so it seems the gloves are very much off and it shows what a very disingenuous little lying twerp you really are. One wonders if you are some weedy pathetic 17 year old virgin who is stuck at home because you cannot get a job, hence being online as you are for near gone 18 hours.

You certainly are now fair game, you had your chance and prove what a sniveling little coward you are.

Hmm I wonder if to catch him out on Vietnam being as I know much about the 2,000 or so Brits who saw active service there.

by nicko Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:48 pm

what an infantile post from a supposedly grown man, for a start I never said anything about sticking a bayonet in you,so that's one lie. What you posted seems like a post to some one you hate, but you are all ways on about people who hate aren't you? bit of an hypocrite there it seems. I must have hit a nerve. I'm going out with friends now, so to borrow a word ------laters.

by Guest Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:32 pm

nicko wrote:what an infantile post from a supposedly grown man, for a start I never said anything about sticking a bayonet in you,so that's one lie. What you posted seems like a post to some one you hate, but you are all ways on about people who hate aren't you? bit of an hypocrite there it seems. I must have hit a nerve. I'm going out with friends now, so to borrow a word ------laters.

Oh dear not only are you gutless but a complete weasel in being a liar.
You have made your bed now and no nerve hit I just do not have timne or respect for liars or people who I have stood up for when they have been wronged to then have them make personal comments.
You have shown your true colours and that is fine by me sunshine.

by veya_victaous Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:51 pm

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