Another poll shows a huge swing to the YES campaign

by Irn Bru Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:12 am

First topic message reminder :

TNS released their poll this morning and the gap between both camps is now too close to call.
It's jitters all round now as it sinks in that Scotland breaking away from the UK is a real possibility.

Scottish Opinion Monitor: Swing to Yes makes referendum vote too close to call

Poll result here...

http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/scottish-opinion-monitor-swing-yes-makes-referendum-vote-too-close-call

by Tommy Monk Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:29 am

I mentioned 'doublespeak' before..... plus that I think that all lib lab con & SNP are working for the EU.......

Now the proof is conclusive but amidst all the manufactured and largely superfluous arguments and all the posturing about the important big differences between a yes or no vote, the end result will be more or less exactly the same!!!!

Either vote......

a) 'yes' for more independence and devolution and get more independence and devolution.......

Or vote.......

b) 'no' against more independence and devolution and get more infer

by Tommy Monk Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:33 am

Or vote.....

b) 'no' against more independence and devolution and get more independence and devolution....!!!!!

They are all working towards the same agenda which is pro EU and breaking up the UK.

by veya_victaous Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:41 am

by veya_victaous Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:51 am

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Australia is apparently confused as to how this will affect our flag

by Original Quill Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:13 am

veya_victaous wrote:

I saw the Oliver show on this. Hilarious. Laughing

by veya_victaous Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:32 am

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What he actually said: “We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a shite state of affairs to be in Tommy and all the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference.”

by Lone Wolf Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:02 am

veya_victaous wrote:

Australia is apparently confused as to how this will affect our flag

THE TRUTH about those national flags that still show a Union Jack in the corner ~ Oz, NZ, one or two African countries, a couple of Caribbean countries, and 2 or 3 South Pacific islands; and another 12, 13 or so territories and dependencies ~ is that it makes no difference at all !!!

Britain signed off on total independence for most of these former colonies back in the 1970s and '80s..

The Union Jack on these flags NO LONGER represents any kind of link or dependence to the former motherland ~ but is only kept there for "historical significance". Therefore there is no longer any legal or protocol or "traditional" reasons that affects any of us..

PERSONALLY, I'd be happy enough simply to replace the Union Jack with the Aboriginal flag, and leave the stars on the blue background as is...

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by Original Quill Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:33 pm

by veya_victaous Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:33 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Australia is apparently confused as to how this will affect our flag

THE TRUTH about those national flags that still show a Union Jack in the corner ~ Oz, NZ, one or two African countries, a couple of Caribbean countries, and 2 or 3 South Pacific islands; and another 12, 13 or so territories and dependencies ~ is that it makes no difference at all !!!

Britain signed off on total independence for most of these former colonies back in the 1970s and '80s..

The Union Jack on these flags NO LONGER represents any kind of link or dependence to the former motherland ~ but is only kept there for "historical significance". Therefore there is no longer any legal or protocol or "traditional" reasons that affects any of us..

PERSONALLY, I'd be happy enough simply to replace the Union Jack with the Aboriginal flag, and leave the stars on the blue background as is...

yeah ::D:: IF Scotland vote aye I think we will end up with that fairly soon Surprised

by Frazzled Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:27 am

That'll be a NO then Smile

by Irn Bru Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:58 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Clearly still flapping around over the EU and implications....

I’ve already explained the position about the EU and how it relates to Scotland. It’s not a problem here and there is no way you can make it so. There is also no way the UK will leave the EU either unless UKIP get voted in as a government with leaving it in their manifesto. Dream on.

Tommy Monk wrote:And I am talking about costs in setting up the many levels of govt and a new Scottish civil service dealing with all the necessary levels of bureaucracy that will be required to oversea and control everything.

And I'm sure this will involve a whole load of new quangos and regulators etc.

You are trying to argue that Scotland pays for all this already but this is only a small part of an already existing network of UK infrastructure.

Scotland will have to set up all new Scottish only layers And the inevitable huge start up costs.

Not that it matters now as the no campaign won but where is the evidence that we don’t pay our share in providing the infrastructure across all sectors of government services?

And now you can stand back and watch the fall-out from the No vote win as Westminster goes into meltdown in trying to get the late ‘Better Together' pledges through the HoC and the HoL

There will be trouble ahead Laughing

by Original Quill Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Now, if we could only get a vote.....

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by Lone Wolf Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:29 pm

IN the post-poll roundups and analysises yesterday, Tommy M.Wank's worries over EU implications weren't even mentioned !!!

Apparently the main worries for those in the moderate majority (>50%) voting "NO" were healthcare , other welfare, finances and "worries over the future"..

AT the same time, apparently a lot of the "YES" voters (45%) were hopeful of a better future !

ONCE again Tommy has proved himself to be the stupidest and thickest dolt on this forum.. Rolling Eyes

by nicko Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:54 pm

you'v upset me wolf, I thought I was!

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:10 pm

The EU was mentioned..... the choices were......

a) vote yes = breaking up the UK and immediatly signing up to the EU under more EU control.

Or

b) vote no = further breaking up the UK by weakening parliaments powers, staying in the EU and more EU control.

It has been the EUs aim to break up the UK power for a long time.

And this has now been achieved by stealth and by fooling people into thinking they have actually had a choice!!!!

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:28 pm

Now the next part of the plan is ready to implement.

This is already being favourably argued for by the media and other politicians.

And is completely following the EU agenda........

Even more break up of what's left of UK parliamentary powers under the guise of more devolution, spreading Only some of the remaining powers to regions that are already drawn out by EU plans.

Although the EU will be continuing to grab what's left of any important powers throughout this with only very little ending up making it to local levels.... and all at massive costs in taxes...

Then the argument will be that the UK parliament is no longer necessary as it essentially has no powers left at all, with most already handed to the EU And the rest dissolved to the EU planned regional levels......

by Original Quill Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:34 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Now the next part of the plan is ready to implement.

This is already being favourably argued for by the media and other politicians.

And is completely following the EU agenda........

Even more break up of what's left of UK parliamentary powers under the guise of more devolution, spreading Only some of the remaining powers to regions that are already drawn out by EU plans.

Although the EU will be continuing to grab what's left of any important powers throughout this with only very little ending up making it to local levels.... and all at massive costs in taxes...

Then the argument will be that the UK parliament is no longer necessary as it essentially has no powers left at all, with most already handed to the EU And the rest dissolved to the EU planned regional levels......

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