Sandhurst's sheikhs: Why do so many Gulf royals receive military training in the UK?
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Sandhurst's sheikhs: Why do so many Gulf royals receive military training in the UK?
Generations of foreign royals - particularly from the Middle East - have learned to be military leaders at the UK's Sandhurst officer training academy. But is that still a good idea, asks Matthew Teller.
Since 1812, the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, on the Surrey/Berkshire border, has been where the British Army trains its officers.
It has a gruelling 44-week course testing the physical and intellectual skills of officer cadets and imbuing them with the values of the British Army.
Alongside would-be British officers, Sandhurst has a tradition of drawing cadets from overseas. Many of the elite families of the Middle East have sent their sons and daughters. Perhaps the most notable was King Hussein of Jordan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28896860
Since 1812, the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, on the Surrey/Berkshire border, has been where the British Army trains its officers.
It has a gruelling 44-week course testing the physical and intellectual skills of officer cadets and imbuing them with the values of the British Army.
Alongside would-be British officers, Sandhurst has a tradition of drawing cadets from overseas. Many of the elite families of the Middle East have sent their sons and daughters. Perhaps the most notable was King Hussein of Jordan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28896860
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Didge wrote:Generations of foreign royals - particularly from the Middle East - have learned to be military leaders at the UK's Sandhurst officer training academy. But is that still a good idea, asks Matthew Teller.
Since 1812, the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, on the Surrey/Berkshire border, has been where the British Army trains its officers.
It has a gruelling 44-week course testing the physical and intellectual skills of officer cadets and imbuing them with the values of the British Army.
Alongside would-be British officers, Sandhurst has a tradition of drawing cadets from overseas. Many of the elite families of the Middle East have sent their sons and daughters. Perhaps the most notable was King Hussein of Jordan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28896860
Because it's the UK's best opportunity to recruit and become one with the military elites of those countries. The US has the same program.
Look at how it has served us (UK and US) in Egypt. We have moved the old military out with Mubarak, yet been able to temper the 'wild 'n crazies' who were with Morsi. The ship rights itself.
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Re: Sandhurst's sheikhs: Why do so many Gulf royals receive military training in the UK?
Original Quill wrote:Didge wrote:Generations of foreign royals - particularly from the Middle East - have learned to be military leaders at the UK's Sandhurst officer training academy. But is that still a good idea, asks Matthew Teller.
Since 1812, the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, on the Surrey/Berkshire border, has been where the British Army trains its officers.
It has a gruelling 44-week course testing the physical and intellectual skills of officer cadets and imbuing them with the values of the British Army.
Alongside would-be British officers, Sandhurst has a tradition of drawing cadets from overseas. Many of the elite families of the Middle East have sent their sons and daughters. Perhaps the most notable was King Hussein of Jordan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28896860
Because it's the UK's best opportunity to recruit and become one with the military elites of those countries. The US has the same program.
Look at how it has served us (UK and US) in Egypt. We have moved the old military out with Mubarak, yet been able to temper the 'wild 'n crazies' who were with Morsi. The ship rights itself.
lol, behave Quill, your armed forces are very much in fact based on the British, especially your elite forces, thus the Brits already have the best trained troops in the world, all you have is equipment, not the best trained, of which was not even the point of the article, what was, is whether we should be training them, you need to read it all.
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Didge wrote:Original Quill wrote:
Because it's the UK's best opportunity to recruit and become one with the military elites of those countries. The US has the same program.
Look at how it has served us (UK and US) in Egypt. We have moved the old military out with Mubarak, yet been able to temper the 'wild 'n crazies' who were with Morsi. The ship rights itself.
lol, behave Quill, your armed forces are very much in fact based on the British, especially your elite forces, thus the Brits already have the best trained troops in the world, all you have is equipment, not the best trained, of which was not even the point of the article, what was, is whether we should be training them, you need to read it all.
But that's not the point. I thought you were asking why we are preparing military leaders for these countries, being that they are Middle Eastern and potentially so unstable.
My response is, to create a lasting bond with the people who will be receiving and operating sophisticated weapons from us. Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, for instance. We found and killed Usama bin Laden in Pakistan. Should we be concerned?
Fact is, the US has all of Pakistan's nuclear devices well under control because of this very link. TBS, it's no guarantee. But what is in this world? It's one important link.
And I'll put West Point and Annapolis up against RMA Sandhurst any day. Phssst...
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Original Quill wrote:Didge wrote:
lol, behave Quill, your armed forces are very much in fact based on the British, especially your elite forces, thus the Brits already have the best trained troops in the world, all you have is equipment, not the best trained, of which was not even the point of the article, what was, is whether we should be training them, you need to read it all.
But that's not the point. I thought you were asking why we are preparing military leaders for these countries.
My response is, to create a lasting bond with the people who will be receiving and operating sophisticated weapons from us. Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, for instance. We found and killed Usama bin Laden in Pakistan. Should we be concerned?
Fact is, the US has all of Pakistan's nuclear devices well under control because of this very link.
You need to read further.
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This point:
But what happens when Sandhurst's friends become enemies? In 2001, then-prime minister Tony Blair visited Damascus, marking a warming of relations between the UK and Syria. Shortly after, in 2003, Sandhurst was training officers from the Syrian armed forces. Now, of course, Syria is an international pariah.
Journalist Michael Cockerell has written about Libyan dictator Colonel Gaddafi's time at the Army School of Education in Beaconsfield in 1966: "Three years [later], Gaddafi followed a tradition of foreign officers trained by the British Army. He made use of his newfound knowledge to seize political power in his own country."
That tradition persists. In the 1990s Egyptian colonel Ahmed Ali attended Sandhurst. In 2013 he was one of the key figures in the Egyptian military's removal of Islamist President Mohammed Morsi, now rewarded by a post in President Sisi's inner circle of advisers.
In the late 1990s there were moves by the British government under Tony Blair to end Sandhurst's training of overseas cadets. Major-General Arthur Denaro, Middle East adviser to the defence secretary and commandant at Sandhurst in the late 1990s, describes the idea as part of the "ethical foreign policy" advocated by the late Robin Cook, then-foreign secretary.
The funeral of King Hussein in 1999 appears to have scuppered the plan.
"Coming to that funeral were the heads of state of almost every country in the world - and our prime minister was there, Tony Blair," says Major-General Denaro. "He happened to see me talking to heads of state - the Sultan of Brunei, the Sultan of Oman, the Bahrainis, the Saudis - and he said 'How do you know all these guys?' The answer was because they went to Sandhurst."
Today, Sandhurst has reportedly trained more officer cadets from the UAE than from any other country bar the UK. The May 2014 intake included 72 overseas cadets, around 40% of whom were from the Middle East.
"In the future," says Maryam al-Khawaja, acting president of the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights, "people will look back at how much Britain messed up in the [Middle East] because they wanted to sell more Typhoon jets to Bahrain, rather than stand behind the values of human rights and democracy."
"It's one thing saying we're inculcating benign values, but that's not happening," says Habiba Hamid. Sandhurst is "a relic of the colonial past. They're not [teaching] the civic values we ought to find in democratically elected leaders."
But what happens when Sandhurst's friends become enemies? In 2001, then-prime minister Tony Blair visited Damascus, marking a warming of relations between the UK and Syria. Shortly after, in 2003, Sandhurst was training officers from the Syrian armed forces. Now, of course, Syria is an international pariah.
Journalist Michael Cockerell has written about Libyan dictator Colonel Gaddafi's time at the Army School of Education in Beaconsfield in 1966: "Three years [later], Gaddafi followed a tradition of foreign officers trained by the British Army. He made use of his newfound knowledge to seize political power in his own country."
That tradition persists. In the 1990s Egyptian colonel Ahmed Ali attended Sandhurst. In 2013 he was one of the key figures in the Egyptian military's removal of Islamist President Mohammed Morsi, now rewarded by a post in President Sisi's inner circle of advisers.
In the late 1990s there were moves by the British government under Tony Blair to end Sandhurst's training of overseas cadets. Major-General Arthur Denaro, Middle East adviser to the defence secretary and commandant at Sandhurst in the late 1990s, describes the idea as part of the "ethical foreign policy" advocated by the late Robin Cook, then-foreign secretary.
The funeral of King Hussein in 1999 appears to have scuppered the plan.
"Coming to that funeral were the heads of state of almost every country in the world - and our prime minister was there, Tony Blair," says Major-General Denaro. "He happened to see me talking to heads of state - the Sultan of Brunei, the Sultan of Oman, the Bahrainis, the Saudis - and he said 'How do you know all these guys?' The answer was because they went to Sandhurst."
Today, Sandhurst has reportedly trained more officer cadets from the UAE than from any other country bar the UK. The May 2014 intake included 72 overseas cadets, around 40% of whom were from the Middle East.
"In the future," says Maryam al-Khawaja, acting president of the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights, "people will look back at how much Britain messed up in the [Middle East] because they wanted to sell more Typhoon jets to Bahrain, rather than stand behind the values of human rights and democracy."
"It's one thing saying we're inculcating benign values, but that's not happening," says Habiba Hamid. Sandhurst is "a relic of the colonial past. They're not [teaching] the civic values we ought to find in democratically elected leaders."
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Agree about RMA Sandhurst.
Disagree that West Point isn't doing better. End of...
Disagree that West Point isn't doing better. End of...
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Original Quill wrote:Agree about RMA Sandhurst.
Disagree that West Point isn't doing better. End of...
lol, well we will have to agree to disagree
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You guys don't know how to get down and relax with them.
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Original Quill wrote:Didge wrote:Original Quill wrote:
Because it's the UK's best opportunity to recruit and become one with the military elites of those countries. The US has the same program.
Look at how it has served us (UK and US) in Egypt. We have moved the old military out with Mubarak, yet been able to temper the 'wild 'n crazies' who were with Morsi. The ship rights itself.
lol, behave Quill, your armed forces are very much in fact based on the British, especially your elite forces, thus the Brits already have the best trained troops in the world, all you have is equipment, not the best trained, of which was not even the point of the article, what was, is whether we should be training them, you need to read it all.
But that's not the point. I thought you were asking why we are preparing military leaders for these countries, being that they are Middle Eastern and potentially so unstable.
My response is, to create a lasting bond with the people who will be receiving and operating sophisticated weapons from us. Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, for instance. We found and killed Usama bin Laden in Pakistan. Should we be concerned?
Fact is, the US has all of Pakistan's nuclear devices well under control because of this very link. TBS, it's no guarantee. But what is in this world? It's one important link.
And I'll put West Point and Annapolis up against RMA Sandhurst any day. Phssst...
I doubt that Quill. Try China for Nuclear co-operation with Pakistan in developing its Nuclear programme.
Nawaz Sharif has just appointed a new military chief who has no connection with the US. In fact very few (if any) of Pakistan's military chiefs have any connection with the US.
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Irn Bru wrote:Original Quill wrote:
But that's not the point. I thought you were asking why we are preparing military leaders for these countries, being that they are Middle Eastern and potentially so unstable.
My response is, to create a lasting bond with the people who will be receiving and operating sophisticated weapons from us. Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, for instance. We found and killed Usama bin Laden in Pakistan. Should we be concerned?
Fact is, the US has all of Pakistan's nuclear devices well under control because of this very link. TBS, it's no guarantee. But what is in this world? It's one important link.
And I'll put West Point and Annapolis up against RMA Sandhurst any day. Phssst...
I doubt that Quill. Try China for Nuclear co-operation with Pakistan in developing its Nuclear programme.
Nawaz Sharif has just appointed a new military chief who has no connection with the US. In fact very few (if any) of Pakistan's military chiefs have any connection with the US.
Agreed. My Pakistan example may be dated. Things have changed.
Nevertheless, that's why we do it.
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