The film "Noah"

eddie wrote:Anyone seen this? Watched it last night. It's got Russell Crowe in it as Noah and Ray Winstone, also my fave, Anthony Hopkins.

Really excellent take on the bible story and shows Noah in a slightly different light.

Well worth seeing.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Anyone seen this? Watched it last night. It's got Russell Crowe in it as Noah and Ray Winstone, also my fave, Anthony Hopkins.

Really excellent take on the bible story and shows Noah in a slightly different light.

Well worth seeing.

I heard about it, pissed off the Christians and the Muslims (the bad sort from each). So I'll definitely check it out; flood stories fascinate me ...

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Anyone seen this? Watched it last night. It's got Russell Crowe in it as Noah and Ray Winstone, also my fave, Anthony Hopkins.

Really excellent take on the bible story and shows Noah in a slightly different light.

Well worth seeing.

I heard about it, pissed off the Christians and the Muslims (the bad sort from each). So I'll definitely check it out; flood stories fascinate me ...

I like a flood story too, strangely enough, ( though not if I'm on a boat   )

I didn't know it had pissed off the Christians and Muslims though? Not surprised, though Noah came across as being Jewish in this film.

Eilzel wrote:If Noah ever existed (which I doubt) he would have been a Jew wouldn't he? 4000 years ago neither Muslims or Christians existed and both developed their faiths from Jusaism.

Another Biblical blockbuster due out is Exodus by Ridley Scott, looks great :-)

Eilzel wrote:If Noah ever existed (which I doubt) he would have been a Jew wouldn't he? 4000 years ago neither Muslims or Christians existed and both developed their faiths from Jusaism.

Another Biblical blockbuster due out is Exodus by Ridley Scott, looks great :-)

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

I like a flood story too, strangely enough, ( though not if I'm on a boat   )

I didn't know it had pissed off the Christians and Muslims though? Not surprised, though Noah came across as being Jewish in this film.

Yeah, both groups hold Noah in pretty high esteem and some (assholes) from each considered the film to be blasphemy.

Regardless, it's a fascinating story and a real human treasure. I think current generations should get to re-invent it in order to make it more applicable to them. And if there was ever a time to fear primal, natural forces turning upon us and on animals ...

To me it's like James Bond or Spider-Man, in a way. People see things in these characters and find their own meaning. It's a good thing, and for the religious (especially Christians), it could heighten interest in the faith itself, so I don't see the downside.

Eilzel wrote:Morning Eds x

Well I guess that might be why they got upset then, one of their precious fables being hijacked to make a hollywood version of their fictional story

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Morning Eds x

Well I guess that might be why they got upset then, one of their precious fables being hijacked to make a hollywood version of their fictional story

I reckon lol
Let's face it, you're going to upset someone if you make a "religious" film   

Eilzel wrote:Passion is powerful even if you don't credit the story as entirely true, and Gibson is only the Director.

Braveheart I see from two angles, the music is gorgeous (Irish bagpipes though lol) and Patrick MaGoohan is an awesomely pantomime villain version of Edward I.

But it is historical bullshit and one of his two big slurs against the 'evil English'; with a small dose of homophobic stereotyping to boot- he is a knob.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Passion is powerful even if you don't credit the story as entirely true, and Gibson is only the Director.

Braveheart I see from two angles, the music is gorgeous (Irish bagpipes though lol) and Patrick MaGoohan is an awesomely pantomime villain version of Edward I.

But it is historical bullshit and one of his two big slurs against the 'evil English'; with a small dose of homophobic stereotyping to boot- he is a knob.

Agree about Braveheart. Don't like Mel Gibson much tbh
Never fancied Passion.

Nems, Noah is well worth a watch. I'd watch it again and I rarely watch the same film twice.

eddie wrote:Anyone seen this? Watched it last night. It's got Russell Crowe in it as Noah and Ray Winstone, also my fave, Anthony Hopkins.

Really excellent take on the bible story and shows Noah in a slightly different light.

Well worth seeing.

Korben_Dallas wrote:

eddie wrote:Anyone seen this? Watched it last night. It's got Russell Crowe in it as Noah and Ray Winstone, also my fave, Anthony Hopkins.

Really excellent take on the bible story and shows Noah in a slightly different light.

Well worth seeing.

Yes i watched it last week ....i wasn`t impressed .......and gave up watching it about 3/4 way trough the movie when ray winston started eating the animals on the ark  

Nems wrote:

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Yes i watched it last week ....i wasn`t impressed .......and gave up watching it about 3/4 way trough the movie when ray winston started eating the animals on the ark  

Thanks Korben   

Korben_Dallas wrote:

Nems wrote:

Thanks Korben   

sorrry nems bit of a spoiler
but if you want to watch it
http://www.movie25.cm/latest-hd-movies/

That's where i watched it from

Cass wrote:ive just ordered it for my branch so I guess ill get round to watching it eventually .....along with 12 years a slave and Dallas buyers club and American Hustle

there hasn't been much that ive fancied watching recenty. just discovered Criminal Minds on Tv so been plowing through them.

Nems wrote:

Cass wrote:ive just ordered it for my branch so I guess ill get round to watching it eventually .....along with 12 years a slave and Dallas buyers club and American Hustle

there hasn't been much that ive fancied watching recenty. just discovered Criminal Minds on Tv so been plowing through them.

I keep thinking about having a go at 24

Nems wrote:

Korben_Dallas wrote:

Nems wrote:

Thanks Korben   

sorrry nems bit of a spoiler
but if you want to watch it
http://www.movie25.cm/latest-hd-movies/

That's where i watched it from

Thanks KD I have saved the link xx

Cass wrote:

Nems wrote:

I keep thinking about having a go at 24

I tried but I dunno.....just didn't click

senior & junior both tell us to watch Game of Thrones........personally I'm waiting for Sleepy Hollow,  Scandal and Sons of Anarchy to get back on........

Nems wrote:

Cass wrote:ive just ordered it for my branch so I guess ill get round to watching it eventually .....along with 12 years a slave and Dallas buyers club and American Hustle

there hasn't been much that ive fancied watching recenty. just discovered Criminal Minds on Tv so been plowing through them.

I keep thinking about having a go at 24

eddie wrote:

Nems wrote:

Thanks KD I have saved the link xx

I bought it from movie rentals on virgin nems, not sure if it's out on DVD yet?

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:

Nems wrote:

Thanks KD I have saved the link xx

I bought it from movie rentals on virgin nems, not sure if it's out on DVD yet?

No worries Edds the link from KD looks good x

eddie wrote:

Nems wrote:

I keep thinking about having a go at 24

I'm the  same with Breaking Bad

You'd really like Dexter, it's right up your street.

Cass wrote:m'k ladies off to get ready for work.....stop drooling over fishy guys when I'm not here - s'not fair x

Cass wrote:m'k ladies off to get ready for work.....stop drooling over fishy guys when I'm not here - s'not fair x

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:

I bought it from movie rentals on virgin nems, not sure if it's out on DVD yet?

No worries Edds the link from KD looks good x

eddie wrote:

Nems wrote:

No worries Edds the link from KD looks good x

You watched dexter? You'd like it! Plus he's trying dishy   

Korben_Dallas wrote:

eddie wrote:

You watched dexter? You'd like it! Plus he's trying dishy   

I watched the first series, but it was too Gorry for me
I don`t watch horror movies or gartuuasly violent ones
i don`t want that kind of stuff in my head

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

I like a flood story too, strangely enough, ( though not if I'm on a boat   )

I didn't know it had pissed off the Christians and Muslims though? Not surprised, though Noah came across as being Jewish in this film.

Yeah, both groups hold Noah in pretty high esteem and some (assholes) from each considered the film to be blasphemy.

Regardless, it's a fascinating story and a real human treasure. I think current generations should get to re-invent it in order to make it more applicable to them. And if there was ever a time to fear primal, natural forces turning upon us and on animals ...

To me it's like James Bond or Spider-Man, in a way. People see things in these characters and find their own meaning. It's a good thing, and for the religious (especially Christians), it could heighten interest in the faith itself, so I don't see the downside.

Please do not speak for Christians as a "group". We all have our own ideas of who or what should be held in high esteem.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Please do not speak for Christians as a "group". We all have our own ideas of who or what should be held in high esteem.

It's well accepted within Christian circles that Noah was a good man, the last good man on Earth actually (apparently along with his family, the last good family) and that God chose to protect them from his holocaust because of their righteousness.

Are you trying to say there are Christians who don't hold Noah in fairly high esteem? If so, they contradict their own scripture.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Please do not speak for Christians as a "group". We all have our own ideas of who or what should be held in high esteem.

It's well accepted within Christian circles that Noah was a good man, the last good man on Earth actually (apparently along with his family, the last good family) and that God chose to protect them from his holocaust because of their righteousness.

Are you trying to say there are Christians who don't hold Noah in fairly high esteem? If so, they contradict their own scripture.

Here's a suggestion - just leave Christians alone to believe what they believe, and stop trying to tell them what they should believe.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Here's a suggestion - just leave Christians alone to believe what they believe, and stop trying to tell them what they should believe.

I know all about what Christians believe, having lived as one for most of my life.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Here's a suggestion - just leave Christians alone to believe what they believe, and stop trying to tell them what they should believe.

I know all about what Christians believe, having lived as one for most of my life.

No, you only know about what you believed, and what your family and friends believe.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No, you only know about what you believed, and what your family and friends believe.

No, I know that they are mainstream Christians, as was I. I lived all over the place as a kid and we attended a lot of different churches, and I went to a lot of Sunday school. Also, I can turn on the TV at any time and access Christian broadcasting, which is no different from what I was taught and believed, or tried to believe, for 30 years of my life. And I can access websites and YouTube videos about Christian beliefs, which are in line with my experience of the religion. So please don't try to feed me that bullshit.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No, you only know about what you believed, and what your family and friends believe.

No, I know that they are mainstream Christians, as was I. I lived all over the place as a kid and we attended a lot of different churches, and I went to a lot of Sunday school. Also, I can turn on the TV at any time and access Christian broadcasting, which is no different from what I was taught and believed, or tried to believe, for 30 years of my life. And I can access websites and YouTube videos about Christian beliefs, which are in line with my experience of the religion. So please don't try to feed me that bullshit.

You keep trying to feed me your bullshit. You keep telling me what I should believe, and yet you're always moaning about Christians telling you what to believe. Do you not realise how stupid you sound?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You keep trying to feed me your bullshit. You keep telling me what I should believe, and yet you're always moaning about Christians telling you what to believe. Do you not realise how stupid you sound?

When have I ever told you what you should believe?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You keep trying to feed me your bullshit. You keep telling me what I should believe, and yet you're always moaning about Christians telling you what to believe. Do you not realise how stupid you sound?

When have I ever told you what you should believe?

You keep telling me what you think Christians believe, and since I'm Christian, you are telling me what I should believe.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You keep telling me what you think Christians believe, and since I'm Christian, you are telling me what I should believe.

What? What kind of crazy semantics game is this, now? I'm not telling you what to believe about Noah, Vishnu, James Bond or anything else. You feel free to believe whatever you like. Just don't try to make me live by it and we're five-by-five.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You keep telling me what you think Christians believe, and since I'm Christian, you are telling me what I should believe.

What? What kind of crazy semantics game is this, now? I'm not telling you what to believe about Noah, Vishnu, James Bond or anything else. You feel free to believe whatever you like. Just don't try to make me live by it and we're five-by-five.

So stop saying what all Christians believe then. Christians will decide what they believe, not you.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So stop saying what all Christians believe then. Christians will decide what they believe, not you.

But here's the problem -- I know what Christians believe.

At the core, it's that Jesus, the son of God, was sent to earth to live among us and teach us. Taking all the sins of everyone who ever lived and ever would onto his own soul, he offered himself as a sacrifice, so that those who believe in him can be redeemed and live forever with him in paradise.

That about right?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So stop saying what all Christians believe then. Christians will decide what they believe, not you.

But here's the problem -- I know what Christians believe.

At the core, it's that Jesus, the son of God, was sent to earth to live among us and teach us. Taking all the sins of everyone who ever lived and ever would onto his own soul, he offered himself as a sacrifice, so that those who believe in him can be redeemed and live forever with him in paradise.

That about right?

So what does that have to do with Noah?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So what does that have to do with Noah?

Noah's story is in the Christian Bible. Sermons are delivered about Noah. Pretty much every Christian is taught about Noah from childhood.



http://christianity.about.com/od/oldtestamentpeople/p/noahprofile.htm

http://www.godvine.com/bible/category/noah

I honestly don't know what we're arguing about at this point, unless you're trying to say that Noah is not a major biblical figure, in which case you're wrong.