Is the Left anti-Semitic? Sadly, it is heading that way

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:58 pm

There has been a lot of talk over the past two weeks about whether it is anti-Semitic to oppose Israel’s attack on Gaza. Radical Leftists and liberal commentators have insisted (perhaps a bit too much?) that there is nothing remotely anti-Semitic about their anger with Israel or their fury on behalf of battered, bruised and bombed Palestinians. And of course they are right that it is entirely possible to oppose Israel’s militarism without harbouring so much as a smidgen of dislike for the Jewish people. Some will oppose the war in Gaza simply because they are against wars in general, especially ones that impact on civilians.
However, it seems pretty clear to me that much of the left in Europe and America is becoming more anti-Semitic, or at least risks falling into the trap of anti-Semitism, sometimes quite thoughtlessly. In the language it uses, in the ideas it promotes, in the way in which it talks about the modern world, including Israel, much of the Left has adopted a style of politics that has anti-Semitic undertones, and sometimes overtones. The key problem has been the Left’s embrace of conspiratorial thinking, its growing conviction that the world is governed by what it views as uncaring “cabals”, “networks”, self-serving lobbyists and gangs of bankers, all of which has tempted it to sometimes turn its attentions towards those people who historically were so often the object and the target of conspiratorial thinking – the Jews.

Yes, one can hate Israel’s attack on Gaza without hating the Jews. But there’s no denying that the hatred being expressed for Israel’s attack on Gaza is different to the opposition to all other acts of militarism in recent times. Just compare the huge 2003 Hyde Park demo against the Iraq War with the recent London demos against Israel’s attack on Gaza. The former had an air of resignation; it expressed a mild, middle-class sense of disappointment with Tony Blair, through safe, soft slogans like “Not In My Name”. The latter, by contrast, have been fiery and furious, with screeching about murder and mayhem and demands that the Israeli ambassador to the UK be booted out. Some attendees have held up placards claiming that Zionists control the British media while others have accused both London and Washington of “grovelling” before an apparently awesomely powerful Israeli Lobby.

This is a recurring theme in anti-Israel sentiment today: the idea that a powerful, sinister lobby of Israel lovers has warped our otherwise respectable leaders here in the West, basically winning control of Western foreign policy. You see it in cartoons depicting Israeli leaders as the puppet masters of politicians like William Hague and Tony Blair. You can hear it in Alexi Sayle’s much-tweeted claim that the “Western powers” kowtow to Israel because they are “frightened of it… frightened of the power that it wields”. You can see it in the arguments of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in their popular book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, which holds an apparently super-powerful pro-Israel lobby in the heart of Washington responsible for the Iraq War and all other kinds of disasters. The claim is often made that Israel has corrupted Western officials, commanding them to carry out its dirty work.

Sound familiar? Yes, this has terrible echoes of the old racist idea that Jewish groups controlled Western politics and frequently propelled the world into chaos – an idea that was especially popular in the early to mid-20th-century Europe. Very often, anti-Israel protesters treat Israel not just as a nation at war – like Britain, America or France, which also frequently launch wars that kill huge numbers of civilians – but also as the warper of policy and morality in the West, as a source of poison in global affairs, as the architect of instability across the globe. Indeed, a few years ago a poll of Europeans found that a majority of them view Israel as “the biggest threat to world peace”. So Israel is undoubtedly singled out by Leftists and others, and even more significantly it is singled out in a way that the Jews used to be singled out – that is, as a sinister, self-serving corrupter of nations and causer of chaos.

Much of today’s anti-Israel protesting has a conspiracy-theory feel to it, with its talk about powerful lobby groups designing wars behind closed doors in order to isolate Israel’s enemies and boost Israel’s fortunes. And this is in keeping with Left-wing politics generally, today. The Left has increasingly embraced a conspiracy-theory view of the world. It is now very common to hear Leftists talk about the “cabals of neocons” who control world affairs, or the “cult of bankers” who wreak havoc on our economies, or the Murdoch Empire that “orchestrates public life from the shadows” (to quote Labour MP Tom Watson). All seriously analytical and nuanced readings of international trends and political dynamics have been elbowed aside by contemporary Leftists, who prefer instead to argue that dark, hidden, mysterious forces are ruining politics, plotting wars, and enriching themselves at the expense of the poor. And, as history shows us, there is a thin line between railing against wicked cabals and cults and wondering out loud whether the Jews are secretly running world affairs, or at least wielding a disproportionate influence.

Indeed, some of the most influential trends in Left-wing politics over the past five years – including the Occupy movement and the Wikileaks movement – were both given to conspiracy-theorising and both also had a bit of a problem with anti-Semitism. So Occupy was kickstarted by Adbusters, a magazine convinced that powerful corporations control the masses’ fickle minds. In 2004, Adbusters published a disgustingly anti-Semitic article titled “Why Won’t Anyone Say They Are Jewish?”, which listed the neocons in the Bush administration and put a black mark next to the names of those who are Jewish. Not surprisingly, Occupy itself, which was obsessed with the baleful influence of small cliques of bankers and other faceless, evil people, often crossed the line into anti-Semitism, as the Washington Post reported. And Wikileaks, too, which is also a borderline conspiracy-theory outfit, what with its obsession with the “conspiratorial interactions among the political elite”, has had issues with anti-Semitism: one of its key researchers, Israel Shamir, was exposed by the Guardian as being “notorious for [his] Holocaust denial and publishing a string of anti-Semitic articles”.

It is not an accident that the three key planks of the Left-wing outlook today – the anti-Israel anti-war sentiment, the shallow anti-capitalism of Occupy, and the worship of those who leak info from within the citadels of power – should all have had issues with anti-Semitism. It is because the left, feeling isolated from the public and bereft of any serious means for understanding modern political and economic affairs, has bought into a super-simplistic, black-and-white, borderline David Icke view of the world as a place overrun and ruled by cabals and cults and sinister lobby groups. And who has always, without fail, been the final cabal, the last cult, to find themselves shouldering the ultimate blame for the warped, hidden workings of politics, the economy and foreign turmoil? You got it – the Jews.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100281417/is-the-left-anti-semitic-sadly-it-is-heading-that-way/

by nicko Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:27 pm

I give that 10 out of 10, explanation clear and precise!!

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:31 pm

nicko wrote:I give that 10 out of 10, explanation clear and precise!!

So do I Nicko, people are so quick to condemn those with RW views, yet those with left are as seen just as poor as, it matters not who is in power, as Stalin, as well as Mao, East Germany with the Stasi etc is evidence of that!

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:32 pm

I don't agree with what Israel is doing... Does that make me antisemitic?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:34 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:I don't agree with what Israel is doing... Does that make me antisemitic?

It depends, do you blame Israel?

To answer your question, first task, who is Israel?

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:51 pm

Who cares, actions speak louder than words, the savage Jew Netanyahu has more in tune with Joseph Goebbels than any aspect of a decent human being, the Jews are committing the Palestinians to genocide, those are the facts and actions.

The words of this article come from some chap described "as having shifted from a far left position to an extreme stance on the libertarian right",,,that figures.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:53 pm

scrat wrote:Who cares, actions speak louder than words, the savage Jew Netanyahu has more in tune with Joseph Goebbels than any aspect of a decent human being, the Jews are committing the Palestinians to genocide, those are the facts and actions.

The words of this article come from some chap described "as having shifted from a far left position to an extreme stance on the libertarian right",,,that figures.

Scrat I like you but, who cares?

That speaks volumes on people with perceptions and how hate is grown

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:57 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:I don't agree with what Israel is doing... Does that make me antisemitic?

It depends, do you blame Israel?

To answer your question, first task, who is Israel?

Er....who do you think is Israel its the country bombing the fuck out of the Gaza strip isn`t it .......d

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:02 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

It depends, do you blame Israel?

To answer your question, first task, who is Israel?

Er....who do you think is Israel its the country bombing the fuck out of the Gaza strip isn`t it .......d

Again who is Israel?

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:04 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:Who cares, actions speak louder than words, the savage Jew Netanyahu has more in tune with Joseph Goebbels than any aspect of a decent human being, the Jews are committing the Palestinians to genocide, those are the facts and actions.

The words of this article come from some chap described "as having shifted from a far left position to an extreme stance on the libertarian right",,,that figures.

Scrat I like you but, who cares?

That speaks volumes on people with perceptions and how hate is grown

Hi Didge, yes who cares, if the current crop of nazis are depicted today by the very actions of Israel, and it's disgraceful attack on Palestinians, then that's life tinged with irony.

You are asking me to differentiate and respect the actions of nazis, the fact that these Jews act like nazis provides a plethora of information for a just comparison.

Enough is enough, the victim card of history has been played too often.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:06 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
Er....who do you think is Israel its the country bombing the fuck out of the Gaza strip isn`t it .......d

Again who is Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

sorry you will have to explain the rules of this stupid game your playing ?

by Original Quill Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:06 pm

This debate is also confusing because Islamists are generally conservative...at least according to liberal principles. Their views on women, on justice and on humanism generally, run contrary to what we would consider liberal.

The only way they fit into the LW pattern, is in their status (as victim) and the general racism with which the western white community regards them.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:09 pm

scrat wrote:
Didge wrote:

Scrat I like you but, who cares?

That speaks volumes on people with perceptions and how hate is grown
Hi Didge, yes who cares, if the current crop of nazis are depicted today by the very actions of Israel, and it's disgraceful attack on Palestinians, then that's life tinged with irony.

You are asking me to differentiate and respect the actions of nazis, the fact that these Jews act like nazis provides a plethora of information for a just comparison.

Enough is enough, the victim card of history has been played too often.

You hold a poor biased opinion though buddy, you are saying it is wrong to attack the Palestinians and not say when they attack Israel is the same, thy both are disgusting. Do you see how easy you are swayed on views and then make daft associations with Nazism?
That is an insult to the victims of Nazism, because it is no where even like that, to equate such bullshit is nothing but Marxist bullshit.
If you are going to condemn something as I do with Israel you condemn both sides not use one to gain political favour with your view point

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:10 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

Again who is Israel?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

sorry you will have to explain the rules of this stupid game your playing ?

Again I will ask, who is Israel?

by Ben Reilly Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:11 pm

I'm very much against the actions of the Israeli government, but I don't hold that against all Jewish people by any extent. I feel the exact same way about the actions of ISIS, actually.

I do think it's a bit rich for a conservative to blame the left of indulging in conspiracy theories. Maybe the tendency isn't as pronounced among British conservatives (who still often talk about gay people, Muslims and "foreigners" as though they get together for secret meetings and have secret handshakes), but in the U.S., the conspiracy theories are almost exclusively formed by the right and feature the left as the people with secret agendas and nefarious purposes.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:This debate is also confusing because Islamists are generally conservative...at least according to liberal principles. Their views on women, on justice and on humanism generally, run contrary to what we would consider liberal.

The only way they fit into the LW pattern, is in their status (as victim) and the general racism with which the western white community regards them.

That is nonsense as well, as we have seen with Mao to Stalin etc, where extremist left wing views are appalling, what is more the point is not the view point but how that view point is expressed and acted upon

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:12 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
Hi Didge, yes who cares, if the current crop of nazis are depicted today by the very actions of Israel, and it's disgraceful attack on Palestinians, then that's life tinged with irony.

You are asking me to differentiate and respect the actions of nazis, the fact that these Jews act like nazis provides a plethora of information for a just comparison.

Enough is enough, the victim card of history has been played too often.

You hold a poor biased opinion though buddy, you are saying it is wrong to attack the Palestinians and not say when they attack Israel is the same, thy both are disgusting. Do you see how easy you are swayed on views and then make daft associations with Nazism?
That is an insult to the victims of Nazism, because it is no where even like that, to equate such bullshit is nothing but Marxist bullshit.
If you are going to condemn something as I do with Israel you condemn both sides not use one to gain political favour with your view point

And there we have it
Claim collective guilt as a justification

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:14 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

You hold a poor biased opinion though buddy, you are saying it is wrong to attack the Palestinians and not say when they attack Israel is the same, thy both are disgusting. Do you see how easy you are swayed on views and then make daft associations with Nazism?
That is an insult to the victims of Nazism, because it is no where even like that, to equate such bullshit is nothing but Marxist bullshit.
If you are going to condemn something as I do with Israel you condemn both sides not use one to gain political favour with your view point
And there we have it
Claim collective guilt as a justification

Nobody is, as you just did that, this is why you argue badly when you fail to comprehend an argument

So try again

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:14 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

sorry you will have to explain the rules of this stupid game your playing ?

Again I will ask, who is Israel?

ok i give up who is Israel ?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I'm very much against the actions of the Israeli government, but I don't hold that against all Jewish people by any extent. I feel the exact same way about the actions of ISIS, actually.

I do think it's a bit rich for a conservative to blame the left of indulging in conspiracy theories. Maybe the tendency isn't as pronounced among British conservatives (who still often talk about gay people, Muslims and "foreigners" as though they get together for secret meetings and have secret handshakes), but in the U.S., the conspiracy theories are almost exclusively formed by the right and feature the left as the people with secret agendas and nefarious purposes.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/

You see Korben that is an honest answer

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
And there we have it
Claim collective guilt as a justification

Nobody is, as you just did that, this is why you argue badly when you fail to comprehend an argument

So try again

you brought t up bud not me "That is an insult to the victims of Nazism" thats what you said

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:16 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

Nobody is, as you just did that, this is why you argue badly when you fail to comprehend an argument

So try again
you brought t up bud not me "That is an insult to the victims of Nazism" thats what you said

Incorrect, you jumped in to the debate, thus you made an absurd claim, and as seen now try to back track

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:18 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
Hi Didge, yes who cares, if the current crop of nazis are depicted today by the very actions of Israel, and it's disgraceful attack on Palestinians, then that's life tinged with irony.

You are asking me to differentiate and respect the actions of nazis, the fact that these Jews act like nazis provides a plethora of information for a just comparison.

Enough is enough, the victim card of history has been played too often.

You hold a poor biased opinion though buddy, you are saying it is wrong to attack the Palestinians and not say when they attack Israel is the same, thy both are disgusting. Do you see how easy you are swayed on views and then make daft associations with Nazism?
That is an insult to the victims of Nazism, because it is no where even like that, to equate such bullshit is nothing but Marxist bullshit.
If you are going to condemn something as I do with Israel you condemn both sides not use one to gain political favour with your view point

The nazi Jew is committed to Anschluss und Lebensraum in the ME, the greedy Jew exploits the poor, money lends and owns the war machinery, the means of production, and the media, the savage Jew is deliberately targeting children to suit it's own version of a final solution.

Your comments are meaningless in face of the facts, your defence of these nazi animals is unworthy, you're blinded by a certain history of the Jew that you've been brainwashed to believe in.

It ain't necessarily so.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:23 pm

scrat wrote:
Didge wrote:

You hold a poor biased opinion though buddy, you are saying it is wrong to attack the Palestinians and not say when they attack Israel is the same, thy both are disgusting. Do you see how easy you are swayed on views and then make daft associations with Nazism?
That is an insult to the victims of Nazism, because it is no where even like that, to equate such bullshit is nothing but Marxist bullshit.
If you are going to condemn something as I do with Israel you condemn both sides not use one to gain political favour with your view point
The nazi Jew is committed to Anschluss und Lebensraum in the ME, the greedy Jew exploits the poor, money lends and owns the war machinery, the means of production, and the media, the savage Jew is deliberately targeting children to suit it's own version of a final solution.
Dear me that is pathetic and shows how you failed to understand anything buddy and reveals your racism, the greedy Jew? Really? That is classifying Jews being as we are all one biological race as different, fuck me Hitler eat your heart out. The fact you bring in Lebensraum shows you are clueless, which is about living space, so explain why Israel has pulled out of occupying Gaza in 2005?

Your comments are meaningless in face of the facts, your defence of these nazi animals is unworthy, you're blinded by a certain history of the Jew that you've been brainwashed to believe in.

It ain't necessarily so.

I think I just rubbished your left wing bullshit, they are not even facts just some lame old Englishman who is left wing and very racist as seen, the fact you fail to even understand Nazism is your failing

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:27 pm

Didge wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:I'm very much against the actions of the Israeli government, but I don't hold that against all Jewish people by any extent. I feel the exact same way about the actions of ISIS, actually.

I do think it's a bit rich for a conservative to blame the left of indulging in conspiracy theories. Maybe the tendency isn't as pronounced among British conservatives (who still often talk about gay people, Muslims and "foreigners" as though they get together for secret meetings and have secret handshakes), but in the U.S., the conspiracy theories are almost exclusively formed by the right and feature the left as the people with secret agendas and nefarious purposes.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/

You see Korben that is an honest answer

yes it seem you are unable to extrapolate written English, or rather choose not to just to be a condescending twat ,a coat you wear very well i might add

You also seem to have a problem with sentence structures (or maybe its me you like trying to make look foolish because of my dislexia )
as said
"I don't agree with what Israel is doing"

Now if I am not mistaken the word Israel in that sentence is used as a collective noun
In linguistics, a collective noun is a collection of things taken as a whole

Are you saying Israel isn`t bombing Gaza because it sure look that way to me

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:29 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
you brought t up bud not me "That is an insult to the victims of Nazism" thats what you said

Incorrect, you jumped in to the debate, thus you made an absurd claim, and as seen now try to back track

LOL your funny
DUDE every body can see YOU brought it up and USED it to defend the Israel view ........ ::fishffight::

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:29 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

You see Korben that is an honest answer
yes it seem you are unable to extrapolate written English, or rather choose not to just to be a condescending twat ,a coat you wear very well i might add

You also seem to have a problem with sentence structures (or maybe its me you like trying to make look foolish because of my dislexia )
as said
"I don't agree with what Israel is doing"

Now if I am not mistaken the word Israel in that sentence is used as a collective noun
In linguistics, a collective noun is a collection of things taken as a whole

Are you saying Israel isn`t bombing Gaza because it sure look that way to me

Your reply shows how you are as stupid as Scrat, though not racist as he was, so again I will ask you, who is Israel?

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:30 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
The nazi Jew is committed to Anschluss und Lebensraum in the ME, the greedy Jew exploits the poor, money lends and owns the war machinery, the means of production, and the media, the savage Jew is deliberately targeting children to suit it's own version of a final solution.
Dear me that is pathetic and shows how you failed to understand anything buddy and reveals your racism, the greedy Jew? Really? That is classifying Jews being as we are all one biological race as different, fuck me Hitler eat your heart out. The fact you bring in Lebensraum shows you are clueless, which is about living space, so explain why Israel has pulled out of occupying Gaza in 2005?

Your comments are meaningless in face of the facts, your defence of these nazi animals is unworthy, you're blinded by a certain history of the Jew that you've been brainwashed to believe in.

It ain't necessarily so.

I think I just rubbished your left wing bullshit, they are not even facts just some lame old Englishman who is left wing and very racist as seen, the fact you fail to even understand Nazism is your failing

Yeah Didge, the truth do smart some dun'em. I've asked Keith, Smelly and all to no avail,,,,and now I'm asking you.

Why has the Jew been despised throughout history?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:31 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

Incorrect, you jumped in to the debate, thus you made an absurd claim, and as seen now try to back track
LOL your funny
DUDE every body can see YOU brought it up and USED it to defend the Israel view ........ ::fishffight::

Actually all can see you are confused over a simple question.

Again who is Israel?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:32 pm

scrat wrote:
Didge wrote:

I think I just rubbished your left wing bullshit, they are not even facts just some lame old Englishman who is left wing and very racist as seen, the fact you fail to even understand Nazism is your failing
Yeah Didge, the truth do smart some dun'em. I've asked Keith, Smelly and all to no avail,,,,and now I'm asking you.

Why has the Jew been despised throughout history?

Well there is a simple answer to that, they were blamed for the death of Jesus

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:33 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
LOL your funny
DUDE every body can see YOU brought it up and USED it to defend the Israel view ........ ::fishffight::

Actually all can see you are confused over a simple question.

Again who is Israel?

somebody want to slap didges head i think he is stuck ?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:34 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

Actually all can see you are confused over a simple question.

Again who is Israel?
somebody want to slap didges head i think he is stuck ?

No I think many people see my point which you have failed to grasp, so again who is Israel?

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:35 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
Yeah Didge, the truth do smart some dun'em. I've asked Keith, Smelly and all to no avail,,,,and now I'm asking you.

Why has the Jew been despised throughout history?

Well there is a simple answer to that, they were blamed for the death of Jesus

Would that be for money?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:37 pm

scrat wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well there is a simple answer to that, they were blamed for the death of Jesus
Would that be for money?

You tell me. the reality is in the New Testament the Jews are blamed just as you are doing now Scrat, just as you now blame capitalism onto Jews which is odd because so was Communism, seems these Jews just cannot seem to catch a break, every fucker hates them as seen by your answer to blame them, just because they are religiously and ethnically Jews

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:47 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
somebody want to slap didges head i think he is stuck ?

No, I think many people see my point which you have failed to grasp, so again who is Israel?

oviously asking the same question over and over again with no point of reference is pointless
What do you mean by who is Israel I have told you a few times, but you just ignore my response and ask the same question
Israel is a country that country is bombing gaza ......its not rocket scien....ok may be it is rocket science

but thous two facts you can't dispute

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:47 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
Would that be for money?

You tell me. the reality is in the New Testament the Jews are blamed just as you are doing now Scrat, just as you now blame capitalism onto Jews which is odd because so was Communism, seems these Jews just cannot seem to catch a break, every fucker hates them as seen by your answer to blame them, just because they are religiously and ethnically Jews

For money, my dear, for thirty pieces of silver.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:48 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

No, I think many people see my point which you have failed to grasp, so again who is Israel?
oviously asking the same question over and over again with no point of reference is pointless
What do you mean by who is Israel I have told you a few times, but you just ignore my response and ask the same question
Israel is a country that country is bombing gaza ......its not rocket scien....ok may be it is rocket science

but thous two facts you can't dispute

It seem you cannot figure this one out.

Again who is Israel?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:50 pm

scrat wrote:
Didge wrote:

You tell me. the reality is in the New Testament the Jews are blamed just as you are doing now Scrat, just as you now blame capitalism onto Jews which is odd because so was Communism, seems these Jews just cannot seem to catch a break, every fucker hates them as seen by your answer to blame them, just because they are religiously and ethnically Jews
For money, my dear, for thirty pieces of silver.

lol okay scrat that is biblical babble, proving my point of why Jews have been stereotyped and hated

by scrat Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:53 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
For money, my dear, for thirty pieces of silver.

lol okay scrat that is biblical babble, proving my point of why Jews have been stereotyped and hated

1218 "Jews acquired a reputation as extortionate moneylenders which made them extremely unpopular with both the church and the general public. While an anti-Jewish attitude was widespread in Europe, medieval England was particularly anti-Jewish."

Money!

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:55 pm

Didge wrote:
scrat wrote:
Would that be for money?

You tell me. the reality is in the New Testament the Jews are blamed just as you are doing now Scrat, just as you now blame capitalism onto Jews which is odd because so was Communism, seems these Jews just cannot seem to catch a break, every fucker hates them as seen by your answer to blame them, just because they are religiously and ethnically Jews

As opposed to your view that seems to be absolve them of everything regardless ,this shit happened 2000 years ago if it ever happened at all GOD did not give Israel that land the allies did and ever since they have squeezed and sqeezed them in to an ever smaller area where the over the top retaliations kill more civilians thus freeing up more land in a few years
Its quite insidious really and its mostly demolished all ready, after all it`s really not a good idea to "Arthur dent" a missile
Bit by bit they are trying to exterminate the Palestinians, it`s like shooting fish in an ever smaller barrel

its hidious

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:58 pm

scrat wrote:
Didge wrote:

lol okay scrat that is biblical babble, proving my point of why Jews have been stereotyped and hated
1218 "Jews acquired a reputation as extortionate moneylenders which made them extremely unpopular with both the church and the general public. While an anti-Jewish attitude was widespread in Europe, medieval England was particularly anti-Jewish."

Money!

Fuck me, HItler eat your heat out, that is a fallacy association Scrat, where now you are blaming Jews for capitalism, when before they were blamed for Communism, they really cannot seem to catch a break

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:59 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

You tell me. the reality is in the New Testament the Jews are blamed just as you are doing now Scrat, just as you now blame capitalism onto Jews which is odd because so was Communism, seems these Jews just cannot seem to catch a break, every fucker hates them as seen by your answer to blame them, just because they are religiously and ethnically Jews
As opposed to your view that seems to be absolve them of everything regardless ,this shit happened 2000 years ago if it ever happened at all GOD did not give Israel that land the allies did and ever since they have squeezed and sqeezed them in to an ever smaller area where the over the top retaliations kill more civilians thus freeing up more land in a few years
Its quite insidious really and its mostly demolished all ready, after all it`s really not a good idea to "Arthur dent" a missile
Bit by bit they are trying to exterminate the Palestinians, it`s like shooting fish in an ever smaller barrel

its hidious

Yet more incoherent babble.

Answer the question

Who is Israel?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:02 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
oviously asking the same question over and over again with no point of reference is pointless
What do you mean by who is Israel I have told you a few times, but you just ignore my response and ask the same question
Israel is a country that country is bombing gaza ......its not rocket scien....ok may be it is rocket science

but thous two facts you can't dispute

It seem you cannot figure this one out.

Again who is Israel?

It`s the question a idiot keeps asking me because he thinks he is being clever i have asked you a couple of time to be more clear in what you are asking
but instead you just act the same old pathetic way like a senile old fart

I know, I know
Who is Israel

answer grow the fuck up

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:03 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
As opposed to your view that seems to be absolve them of everything regardless ,this shit happened 2000 years ago if it ever happened at all GOD did not give Israel that land the allies did and ever since they have squeezed and sqeezed them in to an ever smaller area where the over the top retaliations kill more civilians thus freeing up more land in a few years
Its quite insidious really and its mostly demolished all ready, after all it`s really not a good idea to "Arthur dent" a missile
Bit by bit they are trying to exterminate the Palestinians, it`s like shooting fish in an ever smaller barrel

its hidious

Yet more incoherent babble.

Answer the question

Who is Israel?

Who is Israel?

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:04 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

It seem you cannot figure this one out.

Again who is Israel?
It`s the question a idiot keeps asking me because he thinks he is being clever i have asked you a couple of time to be more clear in what you are asking
but instead you just act the same old pathetic way like a senile old fart

I know, I know
Who is Israel

answer grow the fuck up

Sadly you do not know, as seen by your answers.

Again who is Israel

It is so simple as well

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:05 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yet more incoherent babble.

Answer the question

Who is Israel?
Who is Israel?

Oh dear ha ha

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:07 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:
Who is Israel?

Oh dear ha ha

Is the Left anti-Semitic? Sadly, it is heading that way Index15

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:09 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

Oh dear ha ha

Well I doubt a fictional time traveler is going to help you mate

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:13 pm

Didge wrote:
Korben_Dallas wrote:

Well I doubt a fictional time traveler is going to help you mate

nufortunatly its the only way in to your fantasy world .....hang on didge hang on your friends are on there way to save you .............. Sad

never leave a man and all that

by Lone Wolf Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:13 pm

Korben_Dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:

You tell me. the reality is in the New Testament the Jews are blamed just as you are doing now Scrat, just as you now blame capitalism onto Jews which is odd because so was Communism, seems these Jews just cannot seem to catch a break, every fucker hates them as seen by your answer to blame them, just because they are religiously and ethnically Jews

As opposed to your view that seems to be absolve them of everything regardless , this shit happened 2000 years ago if it ever happened at all GOD did not give Israel that land the allies did and ever since they have squeezed and sqeezed them in to an ever smaller area where the over the top retaliations kill more civilians thus freeing up more land in a few years
Its quite insidious really and its mostly demolished all ready, after all it`s really not a good idea to "Arthur dent" a missile
Bit by bit they are trying to exterminate the Palestinians, it`s like shooting fish in an ever smaller barrel

its hidious

ACTUALLY, KD ~ If you had ever read into and behind the Bible you would realise that the stories in the 'Old Testament' are set over a period of around 2,500 - 3,000 years leading up to the birth of Christ...

THE fables around Isaac and Ishmael and their "family" infighting that produced these eternal wars between the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews/Zionists and the Palestinians (and most other Arabs these days), would be set closer to 4-5,000 years ago..

SUCH mythologies was one way for the squabbling religions of the day to explain to the illiterate masses why their fighting and fuding had to keep on keeping on.

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