Truth About Gaza: It's about Natural Gas

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:34 pm

There are reports going around that British Gas has recently signed a deal with Israel, to sell BG £20 billion worth of natural gas - literally stealing the gas from under the feet of Palestinians.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12971-the-truth-about-israels-new-war-on-gaza--the-energy-rush

by Original Quill Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:38 pm

So, why does that cause Hamas to start this war? So far as I can see, Hamas is sitting in the catbird's seat. If they found a valuable resources in Gaza, possession is nine-tenths of the law.

All the article you cite says, Zack, is that under the terms of occupation the host state has the right to police the territory. The Palestinians, through Hamas, have been setting of rockets indiscriminately. Under any standard of public safety, that must stop. Your article seems to lead to a conclusion that Israel in this conflict is justified.

by Guest Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:54 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:There are reports going around that British Gas has recently signed a deal with Israel, to sell BG £20 billion worth of natural gas - literally stealing the gas from under the feet of Palestinians.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12971-the-truth-about-israels-new-war-on-gaza--the-energy-rush

While Israel has deployed its media machine, telling the world that it has the right to defend itself against foreign aggression, arguing that no country should ever be made to tolerate systematic terror, even though under international law such narrative holds no legal ground as Israel has been de facto occupying Gaza, rendering null and void the notion of Gaza as a foreign entity, little has been said of Israel's real motives.

To quickly settle Israel's argument that it legally and morally can and should defend itself against any aggression coming from Gaza, it is important to understand that the Gaza Strip is not, under international law, a sovereign state, it is an occupied land, therefore Israel cannot declare war on its people, rather it owes its people protection.

As explained by Nura Erakat in a report published in Intifada Palestine, "Military occupation is a recognised status under international law and since 1967, the international community has designated the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as militarily occupied. As long as the occupation continues, Israel has the right to protect itself and its citizens from attacks by Palestinians who reside in the occupied territories. However, Israel also has a duty to maintain law and order, also known as 'normal life', within territory it occupies. This obligation includes not only ensuring, but prioritising, the security and well-being of the occupied population. That responsibility and those duties are enumerated in Occupation Law."

As for Palestinians in Gaza they do however have an inherent right to resist foreign occupation. Such right is again, protected under international law.

But as the following arguments will attempt to demonstrate all the above, the contradicting narratives, the political manipulations and media campaigns, are but a distraction from far more pragmatic realities and maybe truth – the war on Gaza has little to do with sovereignty, terror, politics or even religion, rather it has everything to do with energy.

If Israel is so keen on levelling Hamas it is essentially because the faction has categorically refused to discuss an energy sharing agreement whereby Israel would have access to Gaza's gas resources.

Let us all remember that Israel faces an energy crisis of biblical proportion and that Gaza's untapped and unexploited billions of dollars represent a fortune and a lifeline which Tel Aviv will not tolerate to go to waste.

As noted by Tascha Shahriari-Parsa: "Operation Protective Edge is the war of a colonial state dedicated to expanding its theft of Palestine's natural resources ... incarcerating and bombing its people in the world's biggest open air prison, while growing rich at their expense."

Rather than a bunch of lunatic radicals animated by the savagery of the crusades, Zionists are actually quite a practical bunch. What they seek in Gaza is merely access to Palestine's underground riches. Whatever happens on the surface is just there to act as a public distraction, a ploy designed for the masses so that Israel could commit grand larceny in perfect impunity under the very nose of the ever pliable world community. Who after all would dare deny the plight of martyr Israel?

To borrow the words of Tascha Shahriari-Parsa when she wrote a report for The Ecologist: "Behind the operation, behind the mass Israeli and US propaganda attempting to justify the massacre, and behind the death of every child in Gaza is a conflict rarely discussed - an imperialist conflict and a contradiction that rests on Israel's ambitions to appropriate and profit from Gaza's natural gas resources."
Palestine's vast natural resources

Let us go back to 2000 when British Gas (BG) discovered that Gaza sat on an estimated $4 billion worth of natural gas. Needless to say that this discovery came as a shock to Israel, as suddenly Gaza, this little slither of land which Palestinians have been discarded upon, this purgatory which Zionists imagined to crush Palestinians' hopes and dreams, became a key geo-strategic priority. Come hail and high waters, Israel would have to gain access to those resources.

Since BG made its first estimation, it was established that Gaza's gas reserves are far greater than first anticipated. According to Michel Chossudovsky, a Canadian economist and prominent analyst, Gaza is basking in as much wealth as the State of Kuwait.

Rather than live in abject poverty, Gaza should be a vibrant business hub, a brilliant economic success. Instead, it has been withering away under Israel's blockade, forced to scrap and beg for its daily bread, its people reduced to servitude.

Let us remember that Israel's maritime blockade coincides with BG's discovery. Let us remember that it is since 2000 that Israel has denied Palestine access to its territorial waters, thus infringing on international law and de facto putting Gaza under siege; all because Israel wants to pillage Palestine's resources.
Not convinced yet?

Well, let us refer to an interesting and rather revealing comment made by former Israeli army Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon back in 2007 when he laid bare Israel's true motives. Answering comments in regards to Gaza's gas riches, he noted: "Proceeds of a Palestinian gas sale to Israel would likely not trickle down to help an impoverished Palestinian public. Rather, based on Israel's past experience, the proceeds will likely serve to fund further terror attacks against Israel. A gas transaction with the Palestinian Authority will, by definition, involve Hamas. Hamas will either benefit from the royalties or it will sabotage the project and launch attacks against Fatah, the gas installations, Israel - or all three ... It is clear that without an overall military operation to uproot Hamas control of Gaza, no drilling work can take place without the consent of the radical Islamic movement."

What Ya'alon is really saying is that since Hamas will unlikely agree to a deal with Israel, Israel needs therefore to eliminate Hamas, by declaring its faction a terror organisation – even though many would argue that it is a resistance movement, according to international law.
Israel needs gas now!

So why a war now? To put it bluntly, Israel cannot wait any longer. Plagued by high unemployment and rising inflation, Israel needs to find a viable solution to both its energy crisis and mounting economic difficulties – financing an eternal war can be rather costly.

According to Israel's own projection, the state will face an aggravated energy crisis by 2020. Earlier this July, Haaretz published a report in which it quoted the excerpt of a report written by chief scientists from the Energy and Water Ministry and the Environmental Protection Ministry, explicitly mapping out Israel's energy crisis. It read "We believe Israel should increase its [domestic] use of natural gas by 2020 and should not export gas. The Natural Gas Authority's estimates are lacking. There's a gap of 100 to 150 billion cubic metres between the demand projections that were presented to the committee and the most recent projections. The gas reserves are likely to last even less than 40 years!"

Israel is quite simply running out of time. If recent mass protests in Israel in regards to depreciating living conditions and social injustice are anything to go by, officials indeed feel a great sense of urgency.

As Israel's needs increase, so has its determination to by-pass international law, as before Israel's will nations should only bow and recoil in awe.

Since whatever Israel cannot negotiate it will obliterate, beginning of course with Hamas, the war on Gaza came as a natural development to Israel's geo-strategic realities.

Let us remember that the last time Israel marched on Gaza, in 2008, its military deployment also aligned with its contracting of BG to discuss critical negotiations around Gaza's natural gas. A coincidence? Maybe not.

This new war on Gaza is a colonial war. This new war on Gaza has little to do with self-defence or terror or sovereignty... it has however everything to do with Israel's neo-imperialistic ambitions.

So they cook up the killing of the three teenagers, as set up by the head of the Mossad the week before the boys disappeared to give themselves a reason, whipped it into a frenzy by witholding the fact they knew what had happened to the boys as already documented, so the Palestian boy was burnt alive and cause Palestians to get angry as well, and then Hey Presto, give us Gaza, we want, we'll get whoever stands in their way. Sounds exactly right.

What's the saying - FOLLOW THE OIL, or in this case, GAS.

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:45 pm

Amazing and disgusting how innocents are murdered by so called civilised governments and the general public is manipulated via media organisations.

by Guest Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:16 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Amazing and disgusting how innocents are murdered by so called civilised governments and the general public is manipulated via media organisations.

Yep, and about so many things. In most cases, follow the gas, the oil or the money and you get to the real cause.

by Original Quill Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:40 pm

I'm suspicious of motivated reasoning on this one. It seems this thesis was selected because it fits an argument, not necessarily because it is supported by facts.

by Lone Wolf Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:46 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Amazing and disgusting how innocents are murdered by so called civilised governments and the general public is manipulated via media organisations.

THAT situation has been going on ever since Nero was a boy and the Romans invaded Britain; The Vikings spread from Ireland across to Newfoundland and Nova Scotia; Spain and Portugal divided Central and South America; Britain invaded China, India, North America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia; France invaded Tunisia, Algeria, Canada, Vietnam, and half of the Pacific islands; the Dutch took large chunks in Asia and Africa; the Jap's spread across Asia during the 1930s at the same time as Germany annexed half of Europe; and then Russia finally created the USSR after WWII...

The more things change, the more they stay the same..

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:50 pm

Original Quill wrote:I'm suspicious of motivated reasoning on this one. It seems this thesis was selected because it fits an argument, not necessarily because it is supported by facts.

If the shoe fits...

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:53 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Amazing and disgusting how innocents are murdered by so called civilised governments and the general public is manipulated via media organisations.

THAT situation has been going on ever since Nero was a boy and the Romans invaded Britain; The Vikings spread from Ireland across to Newfoundland and Nova Scotia; Spain and Portugal divided Central and South America; Britain invaded China, India, North America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia; France invaded Tunisia, Algeria, Canada, Vietnam, and half of the Pacific islands; the Dutch took large chunks in Asia and Africa; the Jap's spread across Asia during the 1930s at the same time as Germany annexed half of Europe; and then Russia finally created the USSR after WWII...

The more things change, the more they stay the same..

You are right. But it's the hypocrisy and lies from so called demcratic governments that I can't stand.

Id actually prefer Obama, Cameron and Natanyahu say yes, we want to steal Gaza's gas so we can all have cheaper energy bills. And not this BS about terrorism.

by Original Quill Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:13 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I'm suspicious of motivated reasoning on this one. It seems this thesis was selected because it fits an argument, not necessarily because it is supported by facts.

If the shoe fits...

Well, that's the point. The shoe fits motivated reasoning.

At this point, none of us know if natural gas reserves are a motive in this conflict. Who makes that decision? In what department is it made? I'm not even sure it's important...it just happens to fit all too well, the thesis that makes Israel out to be aggressive and hostile and Gaza the innocent victim. That's why I'm suspicious...just a bit too perfect .

It writes a whole script, and I'm not sure I would buy into that script.

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:25 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

If the shoe fits...

Well, that's the point. The shoe fits motivated reasoning.

At this point, none of us know if natural gas reserves are a motive in this conflict. Who makes that decision? In what department is it made? I'm not even sure it's important...it just happens to fit all too well, the thesis that makes Israel out to be aggressive and hostile and Gaza the innocent victim. That's why I'm suspicious...just a bit too perfect .

It writes a whole script, and I'm not sure I would buy into that script.

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A long-mooted $1bn project to develop natural gasfields off the Gaza Strip is being revived as part of a drive to develop the economy of the Palestinian Territories and reduce its crippling reliance on foreign aid.
Benjamin Netanyahu’s government is “very supportive” of the project, which would see the fields exploited on behalf of the Palestinian Authority by investors led by BG Group, an Israeli government official involved in the deal told the Financial Times.

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by Lone Wolf Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:26 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
There are reports going around that British Gas has recently signed a deal with Israel, to sell BG £20 billion worth of natural gas - literally stealing the gas from under the feet of Palestinians.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12971-the-truth-about-israels-new-war-on-gaza--the-energy-rush

£20 billion is only a couple of days turnover in the greater annual production of those $$trillion$$ mining/oil/gas corporations that "own" the great majority of shares in these resource extraction operations...

DESPITE the massive expansion of exploitation and exploration around the natural resources in many parts of Africa, the Americas, parts of the former Soviet Union, the Middle East and Australia, most of the profits from these still end up in companies based in only a handful of countries :
Britain,
USA,
Switzerland,
Russia,
China,
Brazil,
Mexico,
Malaysia,
Saudi Arabia..

AT THE beginning of the 20th Century, over 90% of the net profits from these businesses were still being channeled into companies based in Britain, the USA and Holland. Since the 1960s and '70s there has been increasing moves away from ownership predominantly centered in Europe and North America, and corresponding growth in Asian, Russian and Brazilian based shareholders..

And phantom "shelf companies" in tax havens such as Panama, the Jersey isles, the Cook Isles, and Barbados... ::dunno::

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:26 pm

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The fields, which contain about 1tn cubic feet of natural gas – about a third of the UK’s annual consumption of the fuel – would take three to four years to develop, meaning they could be producing gas by 2017. Capital investment in the project would total about $1bn, and it would bring in $6bn to $7bn of revenues a year, some of which would go back into the squeezed Palestinian budget in the form of royalties and taxes and help to defray Ramallah’s chronic fiscal and trade deficits.
A senior Palestinian official said that because of positive signals from Israel’s government, the PA was now negotiating a revised concession agreement with the other investors, BG and Consolidated Contractors Company – an Athens-based, Palestinian-owned construction and engineering group – which he hoped would be finalised “in the coming few days”.
“We have been preparing ourselves, given the positive signals we received from the Israeli side, that they would be willing to make the implementation of this project possible,” said the Palestinian official, who asked not to be named as the deal is not final yet. “We have taken steps to prepare for this, including having serious discussion with BG about the terms of the licence.”
The next step would be to secure the Israeli permits, which could take “a few weeks”, the Palestinian official said.
The Israeli official said the Palestinians still needed to address “some issues on their side”, but added: “If they come to us and they have their side lined up, we can go ahead very quickly.”
A spokesman for BG said the company was “committed to exploring the options whereby a sustainable agreement for the development of the [Gaza Marine] reserves can be found”.
If approved, the revived deal would be the largest yet of several big economic projects being mooted as part of a $4bn plan to lift the Palestinian economy out of its dependency on foreign aid and Israeli energy. The plan includes developing sectors such as power generation, tourism, agriculture and the mining of potash from the Dead Sea. John Kerry, US secretary of state, announced the economic plan in May and Tony Blair, who represents the Middle East Quartet – made up of the US, the EU, the UN and Russia – is overseeing its implementation.
An Israeli-backed deal would dispel some of the scepticism Palestinian and Israeli analysts have expressed about the plan’s chances of success, given the dependence of all Palestinian economic activity on Israeli government goodwill, which has not historically been forthcoming.
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For the Palestinians, exploiting the gas reserves would boost their independence in electric power – nearly all of which is imported from Israel – by allowing power station projects in Jenin, Hebron and Gaza to go ahead. Cheaper and more reliable power, in turn, would make new industrial projects in areas such as steel or cement possible.
But veteran observers remain pessimistic that the Gaza gas development will ever materialise. “We’ve had a lot of false dawns with this project,” said one.
BG was originally awarded an exploration licence for the entire area off the coast of Gaza in 1999 and discovered the Gaza Marine 1 and 2 fields the following year. Yasser Arafat lit a flare at the site in a highly-charged ceremony, praising the gas as a “gift from God”. However the project was halted after the outbreak of the second intifada. The then government of Ariel Sharon refused to back it on security grounds, saying there was a danger royalties would be channelled to terror groups.
The political rift between Fatah, which rules the West Bank, and the Islamist group Hamas, which governs Gaza, has also held up progress. In 2007, BG withdrew from talks with Israel over the sale of gas from Gaza Marine and a year later closed its office in Israel.
But in recent months the situation has changed. Israel, which is engaged in peace talks with the Palestinians sponsored by Mr Kerry, has eased some of the tight controls it exercises over the West Bank and Gaza economies.
An energy industry source said that Israel may now see Gaza Marine as providing a useful alternative source of gas, especially at a time when its pipeline imports from Egypt have been disrupted due to unrest in the Sinai peninsula.
Mr Netanyahu’s government faces criticism and a court challenge from opposition politicians over its plans to export up to 40 per cent of natural gas produced from its own, much larger Mediterranean gas reserves. Israel, the industry source said, may feel that gas from Gaza would allow it to reduce its reliance on the consortium led by Noble and Delek Energy now developing Israel’s Tamar and Leviathan offshore gasfields.

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:29 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:
There are reports going around that British Gas has recently signed a deal with Israel, to sell BG £20 billion worth of natural gas - literally stealing the gas from under the feet of Palestinians.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12971-the-truth-about-israels-new-war-on-gaza--the-energy-rush

£20 billion is only a couple of days turnover in the greater annual production of those $$trillion$$ mining/oil/gas corporations that "own" the great majority of shares in these resource extraction operations...

DESPITE the massive expansion of exploitation and exploration around the natural resources in many parts of Africa, the Americas, parts of the former Soviet Union, the Middle East and Australia, most of the profits from these still end up in companies based in only a handful of countries :
Britain,
USA,
Switzerland,
Russia,
China,
Brazil,
Mexico,
Malaysia,
Saudi Arabia..

AT THE beginning of the 20th Century, over 90% of the net profits from these businesses were still being channeled into companies based in Britain, the USA and Holland. Since the 1960s and '70s there has been increasing moves away from ownership predominantly centered in Europe and North America, and corresponding growth in Asian, Russian and Brazilian based shareholders..

And phantom "shelf companies" in tax havens such as Panama, the Jersey isles, the Cook Isles, and Barbados... ::dunno::

Exactly. The issue is if other countries stop using the dollar to purchase oil/gas, the American and all dependent economies (inc uk) will regress decades.

by Eilzel Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:29 pm

Yeah I've got to agree with Quill on this. Whatever Israel stands to gain from the conflict, and as much as I will condemn the brutality of Israel's attacks on the Palestinian people- Hamas did start all this, they didn't have to (and continue to) carry out terrorist attacks and fire rockets into Israel. That is where this began.

by Guest Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:13 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:

£20 billion is only a couple of days turnover in the greater annual production of those $$trillion$$ mining/oil/gas corporations that "own" the great majority of shares in these resource extraction operations...

DESPITE the massive expansion of exploitation and exploration around the natural resources in many parts of Africa, the Americas, parts of the former Soviet Union, the Middle East and Australia, most of the profits from these still end up in companies based in only a handful of countries :
Britain,
USA,
Switzerland,
Russia,
China,
Brazil,
Mexico,
Malaysia,
Saudi Arabia..

AT THE beginning of the 20th Century, over 90% of the net profits from these businesses were still being channeled into companies based in Britain, the USA and Holland. Since the 1960s and '70s there has been increasing moves away from ownership predominantly centered in Europe and North America, and corresponding growth in Asian, Russian and Brazilian based shareholders..

And phantom "shelf companies" in tax havens such as Panama, the Jersey isles, the Cook Isles, and Barbados... ::dunno::

Exactly. The issue is if other countries stop using the dollar to purchase oil/gas, the American and all dependent economies (inc uk) will regress decades.

America is now the world leader in oil production and reserves through fracking, the middle east has been placed into a very serious position, what to do for its future when their resource is gone, the tables have turned on this aspect and with the hydrogen fuel being tested here, who says we will even need oil in the near future.
To claim this is based off gas when Israel already gets billions and have a very stable and growing economy is no more than a conspiracy theory, stemmed from people with a dislike of Israel, it is nothing more that n point scoring, or to put a better word instilling dislike

by Fuzzy Zack Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:22 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Exactly. The issue is if other countries stop using the dollar to purchase oil/gas, the American and all dependent economies (inc uk) will regress decades.

America is now the world leader in oil production and reserves through fracking, the middle east has been placed into a very serious position, what to do for its future when their resource is gone, the tables have turned on this aspect and with the hydrogen fuel being tested here, who says we will even need oil in the near future.
To claim this is based off gas when Israel already gets billions and have a very stable and growing economy is no more than a conspiracy theory, stemmed from people with a dislike of Israel, it is nothing more that n point scoring, or to put a better word instilling dislike

Mr Nacrour also believes the Quartet is merely a ‘smokescreen’ for American-Israeli business interests in the regio

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Tony Blair tried to broker this deal back in 2007. So clearly the likes of JP Morgan, Etc thought the deal was lucrative enough to be brokered.

And oil or gas will still be relied upon for a few decades more.

by Guest Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:27 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

America is now the world leader in oil production and reserves through fracking, the middle east has been placed into a very serious position, what to do for its future when their resource is gone, the tables have turned on this aspect and with the hydrogen fuel being tested here, who says we will even need oil in the near future.
To claim this is based off gas when Israel already gets billions and have a very stable and growing economy is no more than a conspiracy theory, stemmed from people with a dislike of Israel, it is nothing more that n point scoring, or to put a better word instilling dislike

Mr Nacrour also believes the Quartet is merely a ‘smokescreen’ for American-Israeli business interests in the regio

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041832/Tony-Blair-pushed-deals-worth-billions-investment-bank-JP-Morgan.html#ixzz38b1PtSI1
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Tony Blair tried to broker this deal back in 2007. So clearly the likes of JP Morgan, Etc thought the deal was lucrative enough to be brokered.

And oil or gas will still be relied upon for a few decades more.

Its is a media story and people with personal views, nothing more Zack.
Yes these fuels will be relied upon for a while, but it is a big stretch of imagination to claim this is what it is all about, what next the Blood moon ties, from the time they arise in connection to Israel with associated events in history?

by Guest Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:40 pm

Okay be honest how many of you looked up the blood moon ties?

by Original Quill Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:15 am

Didge wrote:Its is a media story and people with personal views, nothing more Zack.
Yes these fuels will be relied upon for a while, but it is a big stretch of imagination to claim this is what it is all about, what next the Blood moon ties, from the time they arise in connection to Israel with associated events in history?

That is right. I've yet to see the link between natural gas and this conflict. And, to be sure, if there was one it would have been in anyone's first sentence.

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:44 am

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Mr Nacrour also believes the Quartet is merely a ‘smokescreen’ for American-Israeli business interests in the regio

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Tony Blair tried to broker this deal back in 2007. So clearly the likes of JP Morgan, Etc thought the deal was lucrative enough to be brokered.

And oil or gas will still be relied upon for a few decades more.

Its is a media story and people with personal views, nothing more Zack.
Yes these fuels will be relied upon for a while, but it is a big stretch of imagination to claim this is what it is all about, what next the Blood moon ties, from the time they arise in connection to Israel with associated events in history?

Again - you seem to have your head stuck up your hairy, Zionist arse. And ignoring any facts.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:53 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Its is a media story and people with personal views, nothing more Zack.
Yes these fuels will be relied upon for a while, but it is a big stretch of imagination to claim this is what it is all about, what next the Blood moon ties, from the time they arise in connection to Israel with associated events in history?

Again - you seem to have your head stuck up your hairy, Zionist arse. And ignoring any facts.

What facts?
Sorry do run along little boy if you cannot debate like an adult.
Zionists believe in being able to build settlements, I disagree with such views, so how does that make me a Zionist?
It shows how infantile and very stupid you really for example are!
Your belief that anyone who disagrees with you is a Zionists shows your Islamist views shinning through

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:54 am

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:Its is a media story and people with personal views, nothing more Zack.
Yes these fuels will be relied upon for a while, but it is a big stretch of imagination to claim this is what it is all about, what next the Blood moon ties, from the time they arise in connection to Israel with associated events in history?

That is right. I've yet to see the link between natural gas and this conflict. And, to be sure, if there was one it would have been in anyone's first sentence.

Exactly, its all complete bullshit peddled by Islamists!

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:56 am

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Again - you seem to have your head stuck up your hairy, Zionist arse. And ignoring any facts.

What facts?
Sorry do run along little boy if you cannot debate like an adult.
Zionists believe in being able to build settlements, I disagree with such views, so how does that make me a Zionist?
It shows how infantile and very stupid you really for example are!
Your belief that anyone who disagrees with you is a Zionists shows your Islamist views shinning through

You've admitted to being a Zionist just last week. Lol! Now that's a fact. HA HA!

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:59 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

What facts?
Sorry do run along little boy if you cannot debate like an adult.
Zionists believe in being able to build settlements, I disagree with such views, so how does that make me a Zionist?
It shows how infantile and very stupid you really for example are!
Your belief that anyone who disagrees with you is a Zionists shows your Islamist views shinning through

You've admitted to being a Zionist just last week. Lol! Now that's a fact. HA HA!

Wow, again no, that is you being as stated a sad little boy, who because you support Hamas, thus being an extremist, who we need to eradicate such preachers from our streets, who are filled with antisemitism!
So again you deflect the debate when I have as per usual shown you to be clueles and where you have no evidence for your hearsay bullshit

Bless, his little cotton socks

::D::

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:01 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You've admitted to being a Zionist just last week. Lol! Now that's a fact. HA HA!

Wow, again no, that is you being as stated a sad little boy, who because you support Hamas, thus being an extremist, who we need to eradicate such preachers from our streets, who are filled with antisemitism!
So again you deflect the debate when I have as per usual shown you to be clueles and where you have no evidence for your hearsay bullshit

Bless, his little cotton socks

::D::

You said you were a Zionist crap - and don't lie. Don't even try it.

And the rest of your post is straight of a Zionist handbook.

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:03 pm

Let's not forget this was the day you were suppose to flatten me.

You giant pussy. HA HA!

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:03 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Wow, again no, that is you being as stated a sad little boy, who because you support Hamas, thus being an extremist, who we need to eradicate such preachers from our streets, who are filled with antisemitism!
So again you deflect the debate when I have as per usual shown you to be clueles and where you have no evidence for your hearsay bullshit

Bless, his little cotton socks

::D::

You said you were a Zionist crap - and don't lie. Don't even try it.

And the rest of your post is straight of a Zionist handbook.

Incorrect again , I suggest you put up or shut up little boy as seen all you are doing is deflecting where I have shown you are clearly stupid and gullible to conspiracies.

In your own time

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:04 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You said you were a Zionist crap - and don't lie. Don't even try it.

And the rest of your post is straight of a Zionist handbook.

Incorrect again , I suggest you put up or shut up little boy as seen all you are doing is deflecting where I have shown you are clearly stupid and gullible to conspiracies.

In your own time

Put up what - you coward. Everyone knows you are a Zionist. Lol

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:05 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Incorrect again , I suggest you put up or shut up little boy as seen all you are doing is deflecting where I have shown you are clearly stupid and gullible to conspiracies.

In your own time

Put up what - you coward. Everyone knows you are a Zionist. Lol

Hilarious, so again no evidence proving you are a wound up little boy who believes in conspiracies ha ha

by The Puzzler Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:23 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Its is a media story and people with personal views, nothing more Zack.
Yes these fuels will be relied upon for a while, but it is a big stretch of imagination to claim this is what it is all about, what next the Blood moon ties, from the time they arise in connection to Israel with associated events in history?

Again - you seem to have your head stuck up your hairy, Zionist arse. And ignoring any facts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707322/Heads-sticks-Sick-ISIS-video-emerges-showing-50-beheaded-Syrian-soldiers-impaled-poles-held-aloft-Raqqa-city.html

by The Puzzler Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:25 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Incorrect again , I suggest you put up or shut up little boy as seen all you are doing is deflecting where I have shown you are clearly stupid and gullible to conspiracies.

In your own time

Put up what - you coward. Everyone knows you are a Zionist. Lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10992886/Anti-Semitism-on-the-march-Europe-braces-for-violence.html

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:16 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Put up what - you coward. Everyone knows you are a Zionist. Lol

Hilarious, so again no evidence proving you are a wound up little boy who believes in conspiracies ha ha

I don't need to put up anything. It's on this board where you've mentioned you are a Zionist. But once again, you show your sheer cowardice by denying it. I find that funnier.

And the fact you are still using my HA ha's - indicates it is you who is wound up.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:19 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious, so again no evidence proving you are a wound up little boy who believes in conspiracies ha ha

I don't need to put up anything. It's on this board where you've mentioned you are a Zionist. But once again, you show your sheer cowardice by denying it. I find that funnier.

And the fact you are still using my HA ha's - indicates it is you who is wound up.

Lol Epic fail and more deflection, and most people use ha ha it is not unique to you , unless you think you invented it?
What a wally!

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:21 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I don't need to put up anything. It's on this board where you've mentioned you are a Zionist. But once again, you show your sheer cowardice by denying it. I find that funnier.

And the fact you are still using my HA ha's - indicates it is you who is wound up.

Lol Epic fail and more deflection, and most people use ha ha it is not unique to you , unless you think you invented it?
What a wally!

And yet you only use that expression with me. Coincidence? Lol! No, I just exposed you.

Are you now denying you're a Zionist?

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:23 pm

Phildidge wrote:
As a liberal Zionist, certain statements are expected from me at times like this, so let's get it out of the way:

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t5863-the-israeli-aim-to-destroy-the-2-state-solution

Don't try lying Didge. It only takes an instance to bust you.

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:24 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

Lol Epic fail and more deflection, and most people use ha ha it is not unique to you , unless you think you invented it?
What a wally!

And yet you only use that expression with me. Coincidence? Lol! No, I just exposed you.

Are you now denying you're a Zionist?

PMSL

Truth About Gaza: It's about Natural Gas Smack

by Irn Bru Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:40 pm

After intervention by the UN Hamas have agreed a truce.

Anyway, don't you two have a 'high noon' (sort of) appointment at 3.:00 pm this afternoon?

Laughing

by Fluffyx Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:42 pm

Irn Bru wrote:After intervention by the UN Hamas have agreed a truce.

Anyway, don't you two have a 'high noon' (sort of) appointment at 3.:00 pm this afternoon?

You wee tinker Razz

by Irn Bru Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:43 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:After intervention by the UN Hamas have agreed a truce.

Anyway, don't you two have a 'high noon' (sort of) appointment at 3.:00 pm this afternoon?

You wee tinker

by Guest Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:46 pm

Irn Bru wrote:After intervention by the UN Hamas have agreed a truce.

Anyway, don't you two have a 'high noon' (sort of) appointment at 3.:00 pm this afternoon?

And as seen the last truce as well as all of them have been violated by Hamas firing rockets, which I hope this time they stick to the truce and then there is peace

by Original Quill Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:34 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:After intervention by the UN Hamas have agreed a truce.

Anyway, don't you two have a 'high noon' (sort of) appointment at 3.:00 pm this afternoon?

Your wee tinker

Wee ones are not normal with Scotsmen. Could be an east lothian trait.

Truth About Gaza: It's about Natural Gas Laughing

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