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Post by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:17 am

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PHOENIX (AP) — A condemned Arizona inmate gasped for more than an hour and a half during his execution Wednesday before he died in an episode sure to add to the scrutiny surrounding the death penalty in the U.S.

Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne's office said Joseph Rudolph Wood was pronounced dead at 3:49 p.m., one hour and 57 minutes after the execution started.

Wood's lawyers had filed emergency appeals with federal and state courts while the execution was underway, demanding that it be stopped. The appeal said Wood was "gasping and snorting for more than an hour."

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-inmate-dies-2-hours-execution-began-230855668.html
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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:25 am

Guillotines still seem the best  Suspect 
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Post by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:34 am

veya_victaous wrote:Guillotines still seem the best  Suspect 

You know, at least with the guillotine, the condemned know what's in store. These drug cocktails my country is administrating -- very few even know what's going into them. It's like our death row inmates have become guinea pigs. That is the most "cruel and unusual" punishment I can imagine -- "we're going to tell you the day you die, we're going to kill you -- but we're not quite sure about what we're going to inject into you, let's find out."
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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:43 am

also it is Quick, even electric chair looks slower

I guess it is probably capitalism you only need one guillotine... but you(taxpayer) have to keep paying for electricity or chemicals  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 
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Post by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:51 am

Interesting note:

How expensive is the death penalty? Just over a year ago, Fox News issued this alarming statement:

Every time a killer is sentenced to die, a school closes.

Dramatic, sure. But some claim that the data backs up these assertions.

While the actual execution costs taxpayers fairly little (the drugs used in Texas run a mere $83), the costs associated with death penalty trials and the resulting incarceration are disproportionately higher.

Citing Richard C. Dieter of the Death Penalty Information Center, Fox reported that studies have “uniformly and conservatively shown that a death-penalty trial costs $1 million more than one in which prosecutors seek life without parole.”

A Urban Institute study (downloads as a pdf) found that “[i]n Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case” while a 2004 Report from Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research that claimed “[i]n Tennessee, death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.”

And in cash strapped California, the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice issued a report (downloads as a pdf) that concluded, among other things, that “[i]t can certainly be said that death penalty trials take longer and cost considerably more than non-death murder trials.”

I assumed that this was because of all of the post-trial finagling that goes on. I was wrong. After reviewing data from state reports, Amnesty International concluded that “the greatest costs associated with the death penalty occur prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings (appeals) were abolished, the death penalty would still be more expensive than alternative sentences.”

The numbers associated with jail time are just as large. In terms of dollars spent behind bars, the California Commission found that “the additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.” Since that statement, California’s death row has grown to 721, the largest in the country.

The story is the same in North Carolina. A 2010 Duke University study found that taxpayers in the Tarheel State could save $11 million a year by substituting life in prison for the death penalty.

The numbers are even more dramatic in Garden State. Prior to the abolishing the death penalty in the state, a report by New Jersey Policy Perspectives found that “New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one.”

But the end result is worth it, right?

Maybe not. At least ten states, including Florida, Texas and California, have been forced to release prisoners early because of overcrowding – all of those states have expensive death penalty programs. Budgetary restraints have resulted in shortened sentences (some as low as 20%) and lay-offs of corrections officers inside prisons, as well as reduced numbers of police officers on the streets. More telling, in one Washington county, Prosecutor Dan Satterberg was forced to eliminate the jobs of 36 prosecutors since 2008 – all while the cost of defending two active capital cases escalated.

Who pays those costs? You and I. State and local governments typically bear the burden of paying to pursue death penalty cases – and that means tax dollars. Even prosecutors agree that those costs aren’t always worth it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty/

Yes, even Fox News admits it!
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:51 am

The State, ie Government not the area, kill these people, who I know have committed terrible crimes, in the name of the citizens of the country. If my Government was doing that (although they probably do a lot of stuff I don't know about I freely admit) I would be creating merry hell. If ever there is a time for people to band together and say 'not in my name' that's it. There must be some way of finding out where they are getting the drugs and stopping them getting them. They have been saying many drug companies won't supply to them, so there must be a limited pool to look into.

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Post by Original Quill Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:50 pm

Why is it that these botched executions all seem to happen in southern states? Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona...is there a pattern that fits with their general ideology?

Oh, and...um, at least this guy was white.

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:58 pm

The pattern is many drug companies have refused to supply the drugs and many medical staff have refused to administer, so the drugs are experimental and practically anything they can get hold of. Inhumane.

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:06 pm

Well I'm pleased that drug companies are refusing to supply the drugs, and any doctor who has hand in these murders are not real doctors IMO.
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:14 pm

why not just shoot them in the head?

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Post by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:13 pm

Nems wrote:why not just shoot them in the head?

That was seen as barbaric so it was stopped. I think experimenting on someone with lethal drugs and not even telling them what the drugs are is way more barbaric than the firing squad, though ...

Best to be done with the death penalty entirely.
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Post by Original Quill Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:16 pm

Nems wrote:why not just shoot them in the head?

Well, as the Germans found out in the 1940s, it's too expensive.

But in fact...they claim that it is the humane way, and they are kinder, gentler conservatives.

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:33 pm

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Nems wrote:why not just shoot them in the head?

Well, as the Germans found out in the 1940s, it's too expensive.

But in fact...they claim that it is the humane way, and they are kinder, gentler conservatives.

It cant be as expensive as the present way?

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:36 pm

Nems wrote:why not just shoot them in the head?

Far too untidy. Someone would have to clean up the blood and get their hands dirty.
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Post by Fluffyx Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:20 pm

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veya_victaous wrote:Guillotines still seem the best  Suspect 

You know, at least with the guillotine, the condemned know what's in store. These drug cocktails my country is administrating -- very few even know what's going into them. It's like our death row inmates have become guinea pigs. That is the most "cruel and unusual" punishment I can imagine -- "we're going to tell you the day you die, we're going to kill you -- but we're not quite sure about what we're going to inject into you, let's find out."

This is one of the many reasons I don't condone capital punishment.Because for some reason it is not always done humanely.

I know this was an evil man who deserved to die but by sentencing people to death we become as bad as the murderers we are condemning to death imo.

Let murderers never see daylight again,a life time in prison with only their thoughts with no comforts in a tiny cell would be a worse punishment than death anyway.

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Nems wrote:why not just shoot them in the head?

Far too untidy. Someone would have to clean up the blood and get their hands dirty.

Yeah you could make a Modern Guillotine in a fashion similar to some of the chicken slaughter houses that is 'self cleaning'  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil silent 
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Post by Guest Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:19 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Far too untidy. Someone would have to clean up the blood and get their hands dirty.

Yeah you could make a Modern Guillotine in a fashion similar to some of the chicken slaughter houses that is 'self cleaning'  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil silent 

then THIS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6106-revealed-the-dirty-secret-of-the-uks-poultry-industry ...........................would happen

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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:41 am

Nems wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Well, as the Germans found out in the 1940s, it's too expensive.

But in fact...they claim that it is the humane way, and they are kinder, gentler conservatives.

It cant be as expensive as the present way?

No, the legal fees far outstrip the cost of execution nowadays.  But when the Germans were doing it en mass they decided that using bullets was far to expensive.  That's why they developed gas.

The big thing today is the Eighth Amendment to the US Constitution.  It prohibits cruel and unusual punishment for any crime.  So, in order to avoid an appeal, they have developed more humane forms of killing.

So you have right even of how to die.

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Post by Fluffyx Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:25 am

Do posters here agree with capital punishment in the main?

I do not,I was curious to know what others thought  Smile 
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Post by Guest Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:30 am

FluffyBunny wrote:Do posters here agree with capital punishment in the main?

I do not,I was curious to know what others thought  Smile 

I don't, because there are too many mistakes, like you I would lock them up for life. There are many cases of the guilty verdict turning out to be wrong. And in America they think people know what they are doing and sentence them to death when their IQ is so low it's not possible for them to have the ability to understand what they are doing.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:37 am

FluffyBunny wrote:Do posters here agree with capital punishment in the main?

I do not,I was curious to know what others thought  Smile 

No, regardless of whether they're guilty or not.
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