Should obesity be treated as a disability?

by Guest Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:34 pm

First topic message reminder :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2656063/Should-obesity-classed-disability-Debate-rages-25st-man-takes-employer-sacked-fat.html

Cant see this on a search so thought I would start it.

I think this is a difficult one - on first thoughts it looks simple but the more you think about it the more confused it gets.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:46 am

Tommy Monk wrote:And 600 calories is......?

Not a lot.

A salad, maybe a slice of chicken, couple of apples, black tea, a banana. Not much more than that, all day. It made me very ill.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:47 am

Fred wrote:Sassys telling pork pies tommy again anyone can see she eats enough of them you dont get an arse thesize of a Zeppelin without consuming a few.

I am a stone and a half overweighht it isnt my glands its beer intake etc. With lefties it always someone elses fault and especially someone else should pay.

Look, if the only reason you're here is to harass another member, you don't need to be here.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:47 am

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No, because the thyroid might be unstable, might develop a tumour, might be difficult to treat be because you can take the thyroxine but your body might not process it properly. Thyroxine is T3, that your body converts to T4, but it might not convert it. Very complicated and can change in a very short time and then change back again. Too much Thyroxine can damage your heart, too little can mean your system starts shutting down.

Rags

Can I politely suggest you take advice and knowledge from someone who knows...............

We all have subjects etc close to our hearts. Often we have lived through trauma. When someone posts as Sassy has done take it as read. It will be precise, correct and without argument undeniably factual

Thank you Gerbs xxx

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:49 am

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No, because the thyroid might be unstable, might develop a tumour, might be difficult to treat be because you can take the thyroxine but your body might not process it properly. Thyroxine is T3, that your body converts to T4, but it might not convert it. Very complicated and can change in a very short time and then change back again. Too much Thyroxine can damage your heart, too little can mean your system starts shutting down.

Rags

Can I politely suggest you take advice and knowledge from someone who knows...............

We all have subjects etc close to our hearts. Often we have lived through trauma. When someone posts as Sassy has done take it as read. It will be precise, correct and without argument undeniably factual

Quite right. I completely forgot that Sassy knows about absolutely everything, and that she can never ever be wrong.

by gerber Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:49 am

Sassy wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:And 600 calories is......?

Not a lot.

A salad, maybe a slice of chicken, couple of apples, black tea, a banana. Not much more than that, all day. It made me very ill.

Reading your post has made me ill.................. two apples, black tea.............. no doughnuts ?

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:51 am

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Not a lot.

A salad, maybe a slice of chicken, couple of apples, black tea, a banana. Not much more than that, all day. It made me very ill.

Reading your post has made me ill.................. two apples, black tea.............. no doughnuts ?

Definitely no doughnuts! Took me six months of arguing with the doc to get him to test me. Was a nightmare.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:54 am

So anyway, there's no suggestion that this chap had an underactive thyroid. If he couldn't do the job, there was no point keeping him on, right?

by Fred Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:54 am

What did the Doctor say when he found your head was so empty and your arse so large.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:55 am

Fred wrote:What did the Doctor say when he found your head was so empty and your arse so large.

I don't have a large arse. Neutral

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:56 am

Fred wrote:What did the Doctor say when he found your head was so empty and your arse so large.

What did the doctor say when he found your dick was so small and you had no balls?

by Fred Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:56 am

Sassy is never wrong or at least she lies well enough to herself she isnt.

Bet she is eating a doughnut as she types. Thats how deceitful she can be.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:57 am

Fred wrote:Sassy is never wrong or at least she lies well enough to herself she isnt.

Bet she is eating a doughnut as she types. Thats how deceitful she can be.

Bet you are jerking off.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:58 am

Fred wrote:Sassy is never wrong or at least she lies well enough to herself she isnt.

Bet she is eating a doughnut as she types. Thats how deceitful she can be.

Would you PLEASE stop shit stirring and contribute to the topic?

by Fred Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:59 am

I take it you have seen mine or drinkys dick have you sassy. I know you havent seen mine but I have seen how small your brain is by dint of your input here. Moreover I also know from your former friends you have an huge arse.

You see I deal in facts not lies you are incapable of distinguishing between reality and facts like most low I Q socialist scum.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:02 am

Fred wrote:I take it you have seen mine or drinkys dick have you sassy. I know you havent seen mine but I have seen how small your brain is by dint of your input here. Moreover I also know from your former friends you have an huge arse.

You see I deal in facts not lies you are incapable of distinguishing between reality and facts like most low I Q socialist scum.

YOU ARE DRINKY. TO SAY YOU ARE NOT IS THE BIGGEST LIE EVER AND YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS IT. YOU ARE A TINY DICKED WANKER, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE. SAD, PATHETIC AND YOUR WIFE GOES OUT TO OFFICE PARTIES AND TELLS YOU HUSBANDS ARE NOT INVITED WHILE SHE SHAGS HER FELLOW WORKERS

by gerber Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:03 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
gerber wrote:

Rags

Can I politely suggest you take advice and knowledge from someone who knows...............

We all have subjects etc close to our hearts. Often we have lived through trauma. When someone posts as Sassy has done take it as read. It will be precise, correct and without argument undeniably factual

Quite right. I completely forgot that Sassy knows about absolutely everything, and that she can never ever be wrong.

Rags.................

Sassy is as wrong as many times as I am................... But on this topic you are way out of kilter.

Please don't try to get forum points on this.

When someone has experienced something and is willing to share the trauma and knowledge, one should encompass the generosity. A thank you could be sent rather than sarcasm. It is very difficult to vent ones life changing situations, even harder to have it mocked.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:05 am

gerber wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Quite right. I completely forgot that Sassy knows about absolutely everything, and that she can never ever be wrong.

Rags.................

Sassy is as wrong as many times as I am................... But on this topic you are way out of kilter.

Please don't try to get forum points on this.

When someone has experienced something and is willing to share the trauma and knowledge, one should encompass the generosity. A thank you could be sent rather than sarcasm. It is very difficult to vent ones life changing situations, even harder to have it mocked.

Excuse me, but would you mind not telling me what to say? I asked a question, so get off your high horse and stop hassling me about it.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:05 am

gerber wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Quite right. I completely forgot that Sassy knows about absolutely everything, and that she can never ever be wrong.

Rags.................

Sassy is as wrong as many times as I am................... But on this topic you are way out of kilter.

Please don't try to get forum points on this.

When someone has experienced something and is willing to share the trauma and knowledge, one should encompass the generosity. A thank you could be sent rather than sarcasm. It is very difficult to vent ones life changing situations, even harder to have it mocked.

:astwinsas: :astwinsas:

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:06 am

FFS, this thread is either Sassy and Fred arguing, or Sassy and Gerber kissing each other's arses.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:08 am

So anyway, obesity should not be included as a disability. One does not suddenly become obese overnight, and there should be ample time to do something about weight gain if it's affecting one's job.

If I couldn't do my job any more because of a medical issue, I wouldn't expect my employer to start building new toilets or let me sit around all day.

by gerber Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:09 am

Try again....................

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:10 am

Raggamuffin wrote:FFS, this thread is either Sassy and Fred arguing, or Sassy and Gerber kissing each other's arses.

Nope, Fred is insulting, I'm taking the piss out of him. If he doesn't insult, I won't take the piss. I don't stand for bullying.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:11 am

gerber wrote:Try again....................

Do you actually have an opinion on this issue, or are you just here to lecture me and tell me I should bow down to Sassy?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:11 am

Sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:FFS, this thread is either Sassy and Fred arguing, or Sassy and Gerber kissing each other's arses.

Nope, Fred is insulting, I'm taking the piss out of him. If he doesn't insult, I won't take the piss. I don't stand for bullying.

You're arguing with him, and bringing his wife into it for some reason.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:14 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Nope, Fred is insulting, I'm taking the piss out of him. If he doesn't insult, I won't take the piss. I don't stand for bullying.

You're arguing with him, and bringing his wife into it for some reason.

No I'm not, I'm replying to him. You will not find one post of mine to him that has not been a reply to his insults.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:15 am

Sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You're arguing with him, and bringing his wife into it for some reason.

No I'm not, I'm replying to him. You will not find one post of mine to him that has not been a reply to his insults.

In other words, you're arguing with each other. He insults you, you insult him back (and his wife). That's an argument.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:16 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No I'm not, I'm replying to him. You will not find one post of mine to him that has not been a reply to his insults.

In other words, you're arguing with each other. He insults you, you insult him back (and his wife). That's an argument.

No, that's called standing up for myself and not letting bullies win.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:17 am

Sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

In other words, you're arguing with each other. He insults you, you insult him back (and his wife). That's an argument.

No, that's called standing up for myself and not letting bullies win.

No it isn't. It's called insulting him back, and insulting his wife too.

I guess you're not interested in the topic after all.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:19 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No, that's called standing up for myself and not letting bullies win.

No it isn't. It's called insulting him back, and insulting his wife too.

I guess you're not interested in the topic after all.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:33 am

A salad?
Consisting of....?
A slice of chicken...?
Two apples and A banana?
Really...?
Every day?

by gerber Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:35 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
gerber wrote:Try again....................

Do you actually have an opinion on this issue, or are you just here to lecture me and tell me I should bow down to Sassy?

I have no opinion. I am here purely for fun. If I discuss anything with Handsome I call it sport., better than going to the gym.

What I will do is back my friends when they are being attacked. Sexy MAMMA is another very good friend that has been been spurned of the boards. I do not come on here to wage war on anyone, and very few do. very few must be in the single numbers...

Rags, you bow down to no one, but you do not tell me what I am here to do.

Why the animosity.....

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:38 am

I gotta go Gerbs, thanks for the support xx

by gerber Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:47 am

Sassy wrote:I gotta go Gerbs, thanks for the support xx

No thanks needed. That is what friends do !

Sassy, Sexy Mamma and Gerbs..................... The three Musketeers.............. ( Not Merkats.............. you plebs )

One for all and all for one.................

Guys.............. Beware.... we are on guard and I used to fence..

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:58 am

gerber wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do you actually have an opinion on this issue, or are you just here to lecture me and tell me I should bow down to Sassy?

I have no opinion. I am here purely for fun. If I discuss anything with Handsome I call it sport., better than going to the gym.

What I will do is back my friends when they are being attacked. Sexy MAMMA is another very good friend that has been been spurned of the boards. I do not come on here to wage war on anyone, and very few do. very few must be in the single numbers...

Rags, you bow down to no one, but you do not tell me what I am here to do.

Why the animosity.....

Where did I attack Sassy? I asked a question about thyroid issues. It was nothing to do with Sassy.

If you don't want any animosity, don't lecture me.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:16 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
gerber wrote:

Rags

Can I politely suggest you take advice and knowledge from someone who knows...............

We all have subjects etc close to our hearts. Often we have lived through trauma. When someone posts as Sassy has done take it as read. It will be precise, correct and without argument undeniably factual

Quite right. I completely forgot that Sassy knows about absolutely everything, and that she can never ever be wrong.

We got you there in the end Rags! Wink

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:22 am

Sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

In other words, you're arguing with each other. He insults you, you insult him back (and his wife). That's an argument.

No, that's called standing up for myself and not letting bullies win.

There is standing up for yourself and there is abuse. You were abusive.Fred was taking the pee out of you. If you cant handle it stick him on ignore. Your comment about his wife is out of order and can no way be classed as defending yourself.
Are we off down this route again? Only those Sassy approves of can post? Killed one forum with that attitude, be an awful shame to kill another one dont you agree? Sassy you are going to have to accept that not everything is as you see it and not everything is about you.

Can we not all just post on the subject and stick those who wind you up on ignore?
Lets get some light heartedness back and some fun!

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:29 am

Nems wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Quite right. I completely forgot that Sassy knows about absolutely everything, and that she can never ever be wrong.

We got you there in the end Rags!

Accept you and I both know that I do have an underactive thyroid, as has someone else we know, and Rags asked a question and I answered with facts, which the someone else will tell you is the truth:

Raggamuffin wrote:So if someone becomes obese because of their thyroid, they take medication and it gets sorted, yes?

No, because the thyroid might be unstable, might develop a tumour, might be difficult to treat be because you can take the thyroxine but your body might not process it properly. Thyroxine is T3, that your body converts to T4, but it might not convert it. Very complicated and can change in a very short time and then change back again. Too much Thyroxine can damage your heart, too little can mean your system starts shutting down.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:30 am

Nems wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No, that's called standing up for myself and not letting bullies win.

There is standing up for yourself and there is abuse. You were abusive.Fred was taking the pee out of you. If you cant handle it stick him on ignore. Your comment about his wife is out of order and can no way be classed as defending yourself.
Are we off down this route again? Only those Sassy approves of can post? Killed one forum with that attitude, be an awful shame to kill another one dont you agree? Sassy you are going to have to accept that not everything is as you see it and not everything is about you.

Can we not all just post on the subject and stick those who wind you up on ignore?
Lets get some light heartedness back and some fun!

You might be prepared for a pervert to write those things about you. I'm not.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:38 am

It was gerber who was being annoying really. I didn't ask for a lecture from her, and I didn't ask her to be so patronising. Sassy did of course get snidy with me earlier on in the thread.

Anyway, I have noticed that Sassy must be agreed with generally, otherwise she gets arsy and extremely arrogant, even when discussing topics where people are giving opinions rather than facts.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:41 am

So then, what do people think is reasonable when making allowances for obese people (or disabled people)? This man apparently couldn't do a lot of things which were involved in his job, so is it fair to his employer that they have to keep someone on who can't do the job?

Re building disabled toilets in installing lifts or whatever, that's probably not a problem in a large company with modern premises, but what about other smaller companies where space is limited and/or it would be too expensive to start putting in lifts or new toilets?

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:03 am

Sassy wrote:
Nems wrote:

There is standing up for yourself and there is abuse. You were abusive.Fred was taking the pee out of you. If you cant handle it stick him on ignore. Your comment about his wife is out of order and can no way be classed as defending yourself.
Are we off down this route again? Only those Sassy approves of can post? Killed one forum with that attitude, be an awful shame to kill another one dont you agree? Sassy you are going to have to accept that not everything is as you see it and not everything is about you.

Can we not all just post on the subject and stick those who wind you up on ignore?
Lets get some light heartedness back and some fun!

You might be prepared for a pervert to write those things about you. I'm not.

Sassy if you dont want comment passed on your size then dont put your picture on the forum its that simple.
You dont have to do that or tell everyone all your medical and personal history. You choose to do that and once its out there its out there.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:23 am

Sassy wrote:
Nems wrote:

We got you there in the end Rags!

Accept you and I both know that I do have an underactive thyroid, as has someone else we know, and Rags asked a question and I answered with facts, which the someone else will tell you is the truth:

Raggamuffin wrote:So if someone becomes obese because of their thyroid, they take medication and it gets sorted, yes?

No, because the thyroid might be unstable, might develop a tumour, might be difficult to treat be because you can take the thyroxine but your body might not process it properly. Thyroxine is T3, that your body converts to T4, but it might not convert it. Very complicated and can change in a very short time and then change back again. Too much Thyroxine can damage your heart, too little can mean your system starts shutting down.

Your absolutely right Sassy..I'm on thyroxin myself Sassy, have been for a good few years for under active thyroid, and I've to have blood samples taken to check all is well and that the dose is fine, also have blood taken for my lithium levels too.

I often wish I was over active with the thyroid instead!

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:23 am

Nems wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No, that's called standing up for myself and not letting bullies win.

There is standing up for yourself and there is abuse. You were abusive.Fred was taking the pee out of you. If you cant handle it stick him on ignore. Your comment about his wife is out of order and can no way be classed as defending yourself.
Are we off down this route again? Only those Sassy approves of can post? Killed one forum with that attitude, be an awful shame to kill another one dont you agree? Sassy you are going to have to accept that not everything is as you see it and not everything is about you.

Can we not all just post on the subject and stick those who wind you up on ignore?
Lets get some light heartedness back and some fun!

::smthg::

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:47 am

Joy Division wrote:
Nems wrote:

There is standing up for yourself and there is abuse. You were abusive.Fred was taking the pee out of you. If you cant handle it stick him on ignore. Your comment about his wife is out of order and can no way be classed as defending yourself.
Are we off down this route again? Only those Sassy approves of can post? Killed one forum with that attitude, be an awful shame to kill another one dont you agree? Sassy you are going to have to accept that not everything is as you see it and not everything is about you.

Can we not all just post on the subject and stick those who wind you up on ignore?
Lets get some light heartedness back and some fun!

::smthg::

There you go JD, Nems's agenda never changes, sad and pathetic.

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:52 am

Sassy wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

::smthg::

There you go JD, Nems's agenda never changes, sad and pathetic.

Indeed Sass, I was also howling at the one addressed to Ben the other week, it went something like...

"Oh Ben dear, you have it all wrong and are trusting the wrong people , if only you could open your eyes xxxxx" .

::smthg::

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sphinx wrote:So you have a good job, work hard, etc, are hit by a drunk driver and left needing a wheelchair. You can still do your job exactly the same as before because it does not require use of legs - but your employer is going to sack you because they dont want the hassle of building a toilet you can use - and you think that is absolutely fine?

What if it's an old building? What if there's nowhere to put a disabled toilet? It's not a question of hassle, it's a question of practicalities and huge expense.

There are already rules and procedures in place to allow the provision of a disabled toilet - and the expenses are kept to a minimum. There is even government help for smaller firms to meet the costs.

It is illegal to fire someone because they have become disabled and need reasonable adaptations.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:36 pm

sphinx wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What if it's an old building? What if there's nowhere to put a disabled toilet? It's not a question of hassle, it's a question of practicalities and huge expense.

There are already rules and procedures in place to allow the provision of a disabled toilet - and the expenses are kept to a minimum. There is even government help for smaller firms to meet the costs.

It is illegal to fire someone because they have become disabled and need reasonable adaptations.

What if there's no room? Some companies have to keep their floor space as small as possible. I'm thinking of places where I've worked where there's no way they could adapt the place for that kind of thing. What if there are steep stairs and no room for a lift?

Who decides what is "reasonable" anyway? At what point does it become completely impractical to keep someone on who has become disabled? What about retail work or other manual work? If someone can't do any part of the job, what's the point of them being there?

by Guest Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:37 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
gerber wrote:Obesity was not a health problem during W11 nor the the following years of rationing.

Question

had it been a problem until Mc Donalds appeared ?

Exactly

Never saw a fat Jew at Auschwitz did we??

However weight related problems did become common in those who survived the camps because the years on starvation diets screwed up their metabolism - and because once they were free to eat they did eat.

Unless you are proposing the government forcibly keep everyone on starvation rations your point is valueless in this discussion.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:42 pm

I have read that thyroid problems can increase appetite.
Maybe that is The reason for any weight gain.....?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:53 pm

The other thing is that a lot of work contracts are temporary, so the employer doesn't have to have an excuse to lay someone off if, for example, they decide the can't afford them or there's not enough work. If someone is disabled and is on a temporary contract, are they still able to lay that person off without breaking the law?

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