Wealthy London Neighborhood Installs Metal Spikes To Keep The Homeless Away

A block of privately-owned apartments in a tony area of London has installed metal studs on the ground to keep homeless people from sleeping there.

Similar to the window spikes many buildings use to deter pigeons from roosting, the studs reportedly appeared last month and have inspired outrage on Twitter.

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http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/06/08/3446334/london-anti-homelessness-spikes/

The milk of human kindness simply overflows with some of our scaredy-shit Brits, eh? I'm sure it's just a few of them, though.

I had a homeless guy approach me the other day, he said, "I'm doing really bad, if you could help me at all, and I admit, I'm just going to buy beer with it." I gave him $5 and told him I didn't blame him, and I meant it. If I had to live on the streets I'd probably get as messed up as possible as frequently as I could.

Why doesn't the Government employ people to go around at night to find these homeless people and try to help them? They're mostly single people - mostly men I think, who don't appear to deserve any help because they don't have children with them.

Why do so many people think that only children and elderly people are worth helping? It annoys me that everyone bleats on about bedroom tax, child poverty, blah, blah, blah, and nobody says a word about these people who are having to sleep in a doorway!

Oh, and was this just a typo?

A block of privately-owned apartments in a tony area of London has installed metal studs on the ground to keep homeless people from sleeping there.

  

Raggamuffin wrote:Why doesn't the Government employ people to go around at night to find these homeless people and try to help them? They're mostly single people - mostly men I think, who don't appear to deserve any help because they don't have children with them.

Why do so many people think that only children and elderly people are worth helping? It annoys me that everyone bleats on about bedroom tax, child poverty, blah, blah, blah, and nobody says a word about these people who are having to sleep in a doorway!

The government provides places for them to stay.

The homeless know about these places.

Countless charities provide places to stay and they tell these people about them.

Just like in America, some people don't want to go to these places because they can't take drugs and get p155ed with the money some evil people give them to feed their cruel addictions.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Why doesn't the Government employ people to go around at night to find these homeless people and try to help them? They're mostly single people - mostly men I think, who don't appear to deserve any help because they don't have children with them.

Why do so many people think that only children and elderly people are worth helping? It annoys me that everyone bleats on about bedroom tax, child poverty, blah, blah, blah, and nobody says a word about these people who are having to sleep in a doorway!

The government provides places for them to stay.

The homeless know about these places.

Countless charities provide places to stay and they tell these people about them.

Just like in America, some people don't want to go to these places because they can't take drugs and get p155ed with the money some evil people give them to feed their cruel addictions.

"Countless charities " ....if you do your reassertion on this Andy, you will find many of them do not reeceieve government funding as they did do under Labour...

Just last year, my wee lad was going to a group for kids and parents of autistic children, my wee lad was beginning tone slop more confidence,after a few months he began to come to to table to join some of the other kids,  rather than just run around, he was beginning to like it...then BOOM!!..without much warning , the local council pulled the plug on the hire if this hall.....


Government cutbacks ....


Cost of the hall...£17 every three weeks.


That is what this governent think of the importance of children,me been children with a condition or learning disability..

We can pay the hall that's no problem,,it's peanuts,,,,

But we would never have the staff again,,,one resigned from her position at the council working with special needs kids as she was so disgusted at the council/governments OTT cutbacks/austerity.

She was a natural  with kids and had done her education support needs job for years.

Then there is no guarantee special needs kids will even get the education they deserve ...again...cut backs, trying to place even fairly severe special needs kids into mainstream school.

All in an effort to save money...that is how terrible it has got under this Tory led coalition...kids suffer.

Yes , there may be a few charities out there doing such amazing work, amd the government does have some places for them to stay I agree...

But don't make out homelss units are a. safe and cosy haven , and as I said...MOST homeless charities do not receive government funding.

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, and was this just a typo?

A block of privately-owned apartments in a tony area of London has installed metal studs on the ground to keep homeless people from sleeping there.

  

I just noticed that    it was a copy paste job from a US website   

BigAndy9 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Why doesn't the Government employ people to go around at night to find these homeless people and try to help them? They're mostly single people - mostly men I think, who don't appear to deserve any help because they don't have children with them.

Why do so many people think that only children and elderly people are worth helping? It annoys me that everyone bleats on about bedroom tax, child poverty, blah, blah, blah, and nobody says a word about these people who are having to sleep in a doorway!

The government provides places for them to stay.

The homeless know about these places.

Countless charities provide places to stay and they tell these people about them.

Just like in America, some people don't want to go to these places because they can't take drugs and get p155ed with the money some evil people give them to feed their cruel addictions.

Even if that's true, there has to be something wrong when people in this country are sleeping rough so they can drink and take drugs. Some people might be so used to life as a homeless person that they can't imagine anything else, and some might even like it I guess. However, I don't think anyone can assume that these people don't need help. So many people in this country get attention for their plight, but the homeless are so often ignored.

It just annoys me that some people are moaning about having to pay for an extra bedroom, and they get loads of sympathy from the public, and there are people who don't even have one bedroom!

Raggamuffin wrote:It just annoys me that some people are moaning about having to pay for an extra bedroom, and they get loads of sympathy from the public, and there are people who don't even have one bedroom!

That's a good point - maybe instead of those people being moved from where they live (some are making that out to be the be all and end all) - a homeless person could be put in the spare room?

@JD
good point ..... your kids not even an Immigrant      

but Austerity measures have to be paid and obviously your kid is in a better potion to pay than some multimillionaire... that NEEDS another ivory back scratcher              

I understand that frustration you have JD, but saving money in England means we can keep giving it to more needy people in Africa and Asia - you must admit, we have it much better than them poor saps.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It just annoys me that some people are moaning about having to pay for an extra bedroom, and they get loads of sympathy from the public, and there are people who don't even have one bedroom!

That's a good point - maybe instead of those people being moved from where they live (some are making that out to be the be all and end all) - a homeless person could be put in the spare room?

Yes, or those people could just stop moaning and think about others who are less fortunate than them.

veya_victaous wrote:@JD
good point ..... your kids not even an Immigrant      

but Austerity measures have to be paid and obviously your kid is in a better potion to pay than some multimillionaire... that NEEDS another ivory back scratcher              

Yeah ..that's about the size of things Veya, I never thought children would be made to pay the piper

Anything but children.

Raggamuffin wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


The government provides places for them to stay.

The homeless know about these places.

Countless charities provide places to stay and they tell these people about them.

Just like in America, some people don't want to go to these places because they can't take drugs and get p155ed with the money some evil people give them to feed their cruel addictions.

Even if that's true, there has to be something wrong when people in this country are sleeping rough so they can drink and take drugs. Some people might be so used to life as a homeless person that they can't imagine anything else, and some might even like it I guess. However, I don't think anyone can assume that these people don't need help. So many people in this country get attention for their plight, but the homeless are so often ignored.

Many of those homeless who drink and take drugs do so because they don't know how else to cope. Many of them are ex soldiers. I find it very strange that BA, who I believe professes to be an ex soldier, thinks that they are helped enough, when every study shows they are not. And those who are not ex soldiers deserve help as well. Many years ago we had in the town I lived in, an ex police inspector living rough. He had had a mental breakdown, lost his family, job and home and wandered around slowing starving to death because he didn't know how to ask for help and he couldn't even work out how to feed himself. A group of us got together and took it in turns to take him in somewhere and get him to have a hot drink and something to eat. Then the cafe's started complaining and saying he would stop business coming in. Eventually we got him proper help, but there are so many more like him out there.

The people who sit in their castles and put spikes at the door should be careful. One day they could lose everything and find themselves sitting on those spikes.

Joy Division wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@JD
good point ..... your kids not even an Immigrant      

but Austerity measures have to be paid and obviously your kid is in a better potion to pay than some multimillionaire... that NEEDS another ivory back scratcher              

Yeah ..that's about the size of things Veya, I never  thought children would be made to pay the piper

Anything but children.

lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


Yeah ..that's about the size of things Veya, I never  thought children would be made to pay the piper

Anything but children.

lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

Exactly, and anyway this is about homeless people, not children. Some people go on as if once a child is a certain age, they don't count any more. This is about adults who are also humans, just the same as children are.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


Yeah ..that's about the size of things Veya, I never  thought children would be made to pay the piper

Anything but children.

lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

You stupid arse, he can't afford to fund the whole group, and it's the inclusion in a 'group' and socialising that was helping his son. I despair of you, you simply don't have a clue.

Sassy wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:




lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

You stupid arse, he can't afford to fund the whole group, and it's the inclusion in a 'group' and socialising that was helping his son.   I despair of you, you simply don't have a clue.

They should get together as a group - those parents - community spirit Sassy!

That's how communities thrive, and if one or two don't have mountains of cash, the others should help out - it's called charity, and i'm all for it!

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:

You stupid arse, he can't afford to fund the whole group, and it's the inclusion in a 'group' and socialising that was helping his son.   I despair of you, you simply don't have a clue.

They should get together as a group - those parents - community spirit Sassy!

That's how communities thrive, and if one or two don't have mountains of cash, the others should help out - it's called charity, and i'm all for it!

Yes Andy, we all know how expert you are at getting people together   

Now would you like to get back on track and reply to my post about the ex soldiers sleeping on the street?

Sassy wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:




lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

You stupid arse, he can't afford to fund the whole group, and it's the inclusion in a 'group' and socialising that was helping his son.   I despair of you, you simply don't have a clue.

The point is that that kind of thing is a bit of a luxury. It's nice of course, but there are more pressing problems IMO, and people sleeping in doorways is one of them.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

You stupid arse, he can't afford to fund the whole group, and it's the inclusion in a 'group' and socialising that was helping his son.   I despair of you, you simply don't have a clue.

The point is that that kind of thing is a bit of a luxury. It's nice of course, but there are more pressing problems IMO, and people sleeping in doorways is one of them.

Children are our future and 'nice' has got nothing to do with it. Both problems are equally important, but I note that Andy is avoiding the one about ex soldiers.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Even if that's true, there has to be something wrong when people in this country are sleeping rough so they can drink and take drugs. Some people might be so used to life as a homeless person that they can't imagine anything else, and some might even like it I guess. However, I don't think anyone can assume that these people don't need help. So many people in this country get attention for their plight, but the homeless are so often ignored.

Many of those homeless who drink and take drugs do so because they don't know how else to cope.   Many of them are ex soldiers.   I find it very strange that BA, who I believe professes to be an ex soldier, thinks that they are helped enough, when every study shows they are not.   And those who are not ex soldiers deserve help as well.   Many years ago we had in the town I lived in, an ex police inspector living rough.   He had had a mental breakdown, lost his family, job and home and wandered around slowing starving to death because he didn't know how to ask for help and he couldn't even work out how to feed himself.   A group of us got together and took it in turns to take him in somewhere and get him to have a hot drink and something to eat.   Then the cafe's started complaining and saying he would stop business coming in.   Eventually we got him proper help, but there are so many more like him out there.

The people who sit in their castles and put spikes at the door should be careful.   One day they could lose everything and find themselves sitting on those spikes.

Good for you for helping that man. What did the proper help consist of in the end?

I'm not going to judge someone for not wanting people sleeping in their doorway though. I suppose that can be a bit alarming for the residents.

Reposted for Andy:

Many of those homeless who drink and take drugs do so because they don't know how else to cope. Many of them are ex soldiers. I find it very strange that BA, who I believe professes to be an ex soldier, thinks that they are helped enough, when every study shows they are not. And those who are not ex soldiers deserve help as well. Many years ago we had in the town I lived in, an ex police inspector living rough. He had had a mental breakdown, lost his family, job and home and wandered around slowing starving to death because he didn't know how to ask for help and he couldn't even work out how to feed himself. A group of us got together and took it in turns to take him in somewhere and get him to have a hot drink and something to eat. Then the cafe's started complaining and saying he would stop business coming in. Eventually we got him proper help, but there are so many more like him out there.

The people who sit in their castles and put spikes at the door should be careful. One day they could lose everything and find themselves sitting on those spikes.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@JD
good point ..... your kids not even an Immigrant      

but Austerity measures have to be paid and obviously your kid is in a better potion to pay than some multimillionaire... that NEEDS another ivory back scratcher              

Yeah ..that's about the size of things Veya, I never  thought children would be made to pay the piper

Anything but children.

lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

you really don't get it do you?
JD can pay the hall hire but he can't pay the wage of a Child Councillor and really no One family can, that's the point once every 2 weeks and she probably does 10-15 a week with different groups... the Cuts Means her Job has gone .. So JD can hire the Hall, wont do his kid any good with out the professionals there.       

And another one in the Dole Queue   

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The point is that that kind of thing is a bit of a luxury. It's nice of course, but there are more pressing problems IMO, and people sleeping in doorways is one of them.

Children are our future and 'nice' has got nothing to do with it.   Both problems are equally important, but I note that Andy is avoiding the one about ex soldiers.

Adults were once children and therefore our "future" at that time. They don't suddenly become unimportant just because they reach a certain age. What's the point of treating children as the be all and end all if they become unimportant later on?

I think it is "nice" to have these groups, but as I said, they're not essential.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Many of those homeless who drink and take drugs do so because they don't know how else to cope.   Many of them are ex soldiers.   I find it very strange that BA, who I believe professes to be an ex soldier, thinks that they are helped enough, when every study shows they are not.   And those who are not ex soldiers deserve help as well.   Many years ago we had in the town I lived in, an ex police inspector living rough.   He had had a mental breakdown, lost his family, job and home and wandered around slowing starving to death because he didn't know how to ask for help and he couldn't even work out how to feed himself.   A group of us got together and took it in turns to take him in somewhere and get him to have a hot drink and something to eat.   Then the cafe's started complaining and saying he would stop business coming in.   Eventually we got him proper help, but there are so many more like him out there.

The people who sit in their castles and put spikes at the door should be careful.   One day they could lose everything and find themselves sitting on those spikes.

Good for you for helping that man. What did the proper help consist of in the end?

I'm not going to judge someone for not wanting people sleeping in their doorway though. I suppose that can be a bit alarming for the residents.

We got the Police Federation to get him into a mental health unit, where he was quite happy to go, they didn't have to section him. He never got really better, but the last I heard he was living in a hostel. I honestly think if we hadn't got together and pushed to help him, he would have sat out of the fields and died.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Good for you for helping that man. What did the proper help consist of in the end?

I'm not going to judge someone for not wanting people sleeping in their doorway though. I suppose that can be a bit alarming for the residents.

We got the Police Federation to get him into a mental health unit, where he was quite happy to go, they didn't have to section him.   He never got really better, but the last I heard he was living in a hostel.   I honestly think if we hadn't got together and pushed to help him, he would have sat out of the fields and died.

So he got no official help from the Government or council then?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Children are our future and 'nice' has got nothing to do with it.   Both problems are equally important, but I note that Andy is avoiding the one about ex soldiers.

Adults were once children and therefore our "future" at that time. They don't suddenly become unimportant just because they reach a certain age. What's the point of treating children as the be all and end all if they become unimportant later on?

I think it is "nice" to have these groups, but as I said, they're not essential.

Where autistic children are concerned they are absolutely essential, as is help for the homeless.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

We got the Police Federation to get him into a mental health unit, where he was quite happy to go, they didn't have to section him.   He never got really better, but the last I heard he was living in a hostel.   I honestly think if we hadn't got together and pushed to help him, he would have sat out of the fields and died.

So he got no official help from the Government or council then?

Nope, there are loads of mentally ill people wandering the streets, the help for the mentally ill has been deteriorating for years.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Adults were once children and therefore our "future" at that time. They don't suddenly become unimportant just because they reach a certain age. What's the point of treating children as the be all and end all if they become unimportant later on?

I think it is "nice" to have these groups, but as I said, they're not essential.

Where autistic children are concerned they are absolutely essential, as is help for the homeless.

I don't agree. Anyway, people can always start their own charities to set up help groups.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So he got no official help from the Government or council then?

Nope, there are loads of mentally ill people wandering the streets, the help for the mentally ill has been deteriorating for years.

Exactly! People talk about poverty in this country, but it's not always about money - it's also about the mental wellbeing of people. Of course it takes money to set up help for them, but I'm sick of hearing about people not being afford this or that - they should try being out on the streets with a mental health problem, and then they might appreciate what they have.

veya_victaous wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:



lmao

Do you not see how ironic this all is?

YOU CAN AFFORD IT ALL JD - it is peanuts to you and your family - you said it yourself!

You see, it's all relative - stop whingeing, pay up and give more of your money up for the real poor!

you really don't get it do you?
JD can pay the hall hire but he can't pay the wage of a Child Councillor and really no One family can, that's the point once every 2 weeks and she probably does 10-15 a week with different groups... the Cuts Means her Job has gone .. So JD can hire the Hall, wont do his kid any good with out the professionals there.       

And another one in the Dole Queue   

That is exactly it Veya....these Special Needs Staff are no longer there, their positions no longer exist, one has been punted into a nursery twenty miles down the road ..and the other..who was near retiring anyway ..took slightly early retirement in disgust at the treatment of kids, who are being messed around.....

But the withdrawal of the forum due to the local author fit was the last straw for the one who took retirement, she was unwilling to take up a post in a nursery like her colleague as she was over qualified and preferences working with autistic and kids with other conditions ...

Andy often gets it wrong and will see something he thinks he can pounce on without reading further,


It's not my job to provide this service though Andy, it is the council who employed theses magificient qualified, patient and caring workers and it's the council who scrapped the group...hard to come by staff like that again...

And as I said one of them left her job as she was seeing the council bump off sevices to children with special needs...' Truly Sickening ' were her words...we still keep in touch by phone occasionally , and even though she is gone, she still feel terrible for the kids...


She even said that she wishes she had won the lottery to set up a specialist centre for special needs kids,,,,a wonderful woman indeed.



I would really apprectiate if you had read this properly Andy,,,

You rarely say anything right.

Your hate hate of special needs kids gets in the way, just as it does with coloured People or Muslims.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Where autistic children are concerned they are absolutely essential, as is help for the homeless.

I don't agree. Anyway, people can always start their own charities to set up help groups.

Then you obviously know nothing about children with problems. It isn't just about the group, it's about having someone there who knows how to help them. They are few and far between and their time costs money. Now I suggest we get back to the thread rather than the diversion.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't agree. Anyway, people can always start their own charities to set up help groups.

Then you obviously know nothing about children with problems.   It isn't just about the group, it's about having someone there who knows how to help them.   They are few and far between and their time costs money.   Now I suggest we get back to the thread rather than the diversion.

We all have our own ideas as to what should take priority.

It wasn't me who went off topic - have a word with your mate JD.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Adults were once children and therefore our "future" at that time. They don't suddenly become unimportant just because they reach a certain age. What's the point of treating children as the be all and end all if they become unimportant later on?

I think it is "nice" to have these groups, but as I said, they're not essential.

Where autistic children are concerned they are absolutely essential, as is help for the homeless.

I totally agree Sassy.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Then you obviously know nothing about children with problems.   It isn't just about the group, it's about having someone there who knows how to help them.   They are few and far between and their time costs money.   Now I suggest we get back to the thread rather than the diversion.

We all have our own ideas as to what should take priority.

It wasn't me who went off topic - have a word with your mate JD.

Very true Ragga, and this government is saving money to spend on those in real need!

That should always be the priority!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Then you obviously know nothing about children with problems.   It isn't just about the group, it's about having someone there who knows how to help them.   They are few and far between and their time costs money.   Now I suggest we get back to the thread rather than the diversion.

We all have our own ideas as to what should take priority.

It wasn't me who went off topic - have a word with your mate JD.

You had nothing helpful whatsoever to say anyway...

Yeah, as Sassy was saying ....let's get back on topic.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We all have our own ideas as to what should take priority.

It wasn't me who went off topic - have a word with your mate JD.

You had nothing helpful whatsoever to say anyway...

Yeah, as Sassy was saying ....let's get back on topic.

About the help group? That's largely because it was off topic.

You're the one who went off topic in the first place, so don't start pointing the finger at anyone else.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


You had nothing helpful whatsoever to say anyway...

Yeah, as Sassy was saying ....let's get back on topic.

About the help group? That's largely because it was off topic.

You're the one who went off topic in the first place, so don't start pointing the finger at anyone else.

Topic?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We all have our own ideas as to what should take priority.

It wasn't me who went off topic - have a word with your mate JD.

Very true Ragga, and this government is saving money to spend on those in real need!

That should always be the priority!

I would hope they're saving money to help those in real need Andy, but I suspect they're not. I think there's enough done for people with families though - moneywise anyway.

Re homeless people, I'm not suggesting they should just be given a house and have money chucked at them for ever. I think it needs to be established why they're homeless, and if it's because of some kind of mental issue or addiction or whatever, they should get help for that.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Then you obviously know nothing about children with problems.   It isn't just about the group, it's about having someone there who knows how to help them.   They are few and far between and their time costs money.   Now I suggest we get back to the thread rather than the diversion.

We all have our own ideas as to what should take priority.

It wasn't me who went off topic - have a word with your mate JD.

Very true Ragga, and this government is saving money to spend on those in real need!

That should always be the priority!

The Rich.. the top tax bracket       

I thought JD was joking about you hating disabled? Please tell me you DON'T Really hate disable kids    

veya_victaous wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Very true Ragga, and this government is saving money to spend on those in real need!

That should always be the priority!

The Rich.. the top tax bracket       

I thought JD was joking about you hating disabled? Please tell me you DON'T Really hate disable kids    

Off topic.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Very true Ragga, and this government is saving money to spend on those in real need!

That should always be the priority!

The Rich.. the top tax bracket       

I thought JD was joking about you hating disabled? Please tell me you DON'T Really hate disable kids    

Off topic.

not really. you are cutting services and talking about reducing tax for the rich.

You are not, as Andy suggests, taking money from foreign aide or frivolous programs and putting it towards the homeless and most need in England.
You are cutting foreign aide and cutting money from the homeless and needy to give the rich a tax cut and more frivolous programs that are more than likely just a way for pollies to give some money to their 'friends'.

So what is more important Homeless people or Giving a Multimillionaire a few million extra? Andy seems to think it is the millionaire   

veya_victaous wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Very true Ragga, and this government is saving money to spend on those in real need!

That should always be the priority!

The Rich.. the top tax bracket       

I thought JD was joking about you hating disabled? Please tell me you DON'T Really hate disable kids    

But we don't give a single penny to the rich - we only take from them?

I'm confused - did you actually think we give money to the rich in this country? lol

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

The Rich.. the top tax bracket       

I thought JD was joking about you hating disabled? Please tell me you DON'T Really hate disable kids    

Off topic.

I wouldn't joke about that Veya, if she was normal, compassionate and understanding of kids I would admit that, despite her take on other things, but the truth is she is none too fond off kids, and seems to thrive on picking on them....

Even the' off topic' diversion is just another way of letting you knew she doesn't like kids, but in a way where you will pick up on it but without necessarily getting it right,she's proud of it...
And only the other week she said all kids only bother people by kicking balls around..some do yes, but most only want fun, some forget they were that age too.

I've never been too fond do those who dislike children, it's just way too odd IMO.

Oh well, it seems that this thread will be about JD's family from now on. So much for caring about homeless people - as long as his family is OK, nothing else matters, right?

Where is JD's compassion for those on the streets?

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Off topic.

not really. you are cutting services and talking about reducing tax for the rich.

You are not, as Andy suggests, taking money from foreign aide or frivolous programs and putting it towards the homeless and most need in England.
You are cutting foreign aide and cutting money from the homeless and needy to give the rich a tax cut and more frivolous programs that are more than likely just a way for pollies to give some money to their 'friends'.

So what is more important Homeless people or Giving a Multimillionaire a few million extra? Andy seems to think it is the millionaire   

I think the point is that there isn't much help for homeless people anyway, otherwise there wouldn't be people sleeping in doorways would there?

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Off topic.

I wouldn't joke about that Veya, if she was normal, compassionate and understanding of kids I would admit that, despite her take on other things, but the truth is she is none too fond off kids, and seems to thrive on picking on them....

Even the' off topic' diversion is just another way of letting you knew she doesn't like kids, but in a way where you will pick up on it but without necessarily getting it right,she's proud of it...
And only the other week she said all kids only bother people by kicking balls around..some do yes, but most only want fun, some forget they were that age too.

I've never been too fond do those who dislike children, it's just way too odd IMO.

Veya wasn't referring to me actually, but of course you had to start the insults didn't you?

Tell you what - how about you discuss homeless people instead of using another thread to get sympathy for yourself?

BigAndy, as I've pointed out many times now, the UK gives a lot more money to rich people than it does to poor people.

http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/04/08/scroungers-how-much-does-the-corporate-welfare-state-cost-the-tax-payer/