Muslim group guns down Christians in church

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:14 pm

Christians shepherded into a church by armed men apparently for their safety died when those soldiers turned out to be Boko Haram fighters in disguise, who opened fire on the cowering crowd in their latest attack.

It was one of at least six different raids across northern Nigeria on Monday and Tuesday, when as many as 30 people died.

The attacks again illustrate the militants’ supremacy over Nigeria’s state security forces, who have made little progress in freeing more than 200 schoolgirls kidnapped close to two months ago.

Boko Haram's latest offensive came as it was reported Nigerian army officers have been convicted by courts martial for colluding with the al-Qaeda allied group, including providing them with weapons and secret intelligence.

Ten generals and five other senior officers were found guilty in the first of what were said to be several ongoing prosecutions of corrupt soldiers, Nigerian media reported.

The country's military, whose fighters are underpaid and often outgunned, has repeatedly faced allegations that both rank-and-file soldiers and officers were working with the enemy.

Key allegations include that they provided Boko Haram with weapons, or that telephone calls were made to the Islamists allowing them to prepare ambushes as military convoys drove past.

Some reports alleged that soldiers deserted their posts to fight alongside the militants before returning to their army bases in the evening. This could not be confirmed.

Maj. Gen. Chris Olukolade, the defense ministry spokesman, reissued an earlier statement, saying: "once again categorically that there is no truth whatsoever in the report".

Britain is among several nations offering assistance to the Nigerian government and its military to help find the missing schoolgirls.

Privately, Western security sector sources in the country report exasperation among those coming to help over the slow pace of the Nigerians' reactions to the kidnap crisis.

The girls are understood now to have been separated into several groups, making armed rescue of all the girls at the same time far more complicated and dangerous.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10874389/Boko-Haram-attack-church-dressed-as-Nigeria-soldiers-as-dozens-are-killed-in-fresh-raids.html

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:37 pm

scumbags, this is muslims being peaceful and tolerant I guess...

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:40 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:scumbags, this is muslims being peaceful and tolerant I guess...

Of course it isn't any more peaceful and tolerant than Anders Breivik committing mass murder in the "name" of Jesus Christ. That wicked and despicable act wasn't the fault of Christianity, but an individual committed to great evil.

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:45 pm

lovedust wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:scumbags, this is muslims being peaceful and tolerant I guess...

Of course it isn't any more peaceful and tolerant than Anders Breivik committing mass murder in the "name" of Jesus Christ. That wicked and despicable act wasn't the fault of Christianity, but an individual committed to great evil.

The difference is that islam and its atrocities are in the news daily breivik was a one off
Twisted Evil

Keep defending islam though you will regret it one day

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:52 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:Christians shepherded into a church by armed men apparently for their safety died when those soldiers turned out to be Boko Haram fighters in disguise, who opened fire on the cowering crowd in their latest attack.

It was one of at least six different raids across northern Nigeria on Monday and Tuesday, when as many as 30 people died.

The attacks again illustrate the militants’ supremacy over Nigeria’s state security forces, who have made little progress in freeing more than 200 schoolgirls kidnapped close to two months ago.

Boko Haram's latest offensive came as it was reported Nigerian army officers have been convicted by courts martial for colluding with the al-Qaeda allied group, including providing them with weapons and secret intelligence.

Ten generals and five other senior officers were found guilty in the first of what were said to be several ongoing prosecutions of corrupt soldiers, Nigerian media reported.

The country's military, whose fighters are underpaid and often outgunned, has repeatedly faced allegations that both rank-and-file soldiers and officers were working with the enemy.

Key allegations include that they provided Boko Haram with weapons, or that telephone calls were made to the Islamists allowing them to prepare ambushes as military convoys drove past.

Some reports alleged that soldiers deserted their posts to fight alongside the militants before returning to their army bases in the evening. This could not be confirmed.

Maj. Gen. Chris Olukolade, the defense ministry spokesman, reissued an earlier statement, saying: "once again categorically that there is no truth whatsoever in the report".

Britain is among several nations offering assistance to the Nigerian government and its military to help find the missing schoolgirls.

Privately, Western security sector sources in the country report exasperation among those coming to help over the slow pace of the Nigerians' reactions to the kidnap crisis.

The girls are understood now to have been separated into several groups, making armed rescue of all the girls at the same time far more complicated and dangerous.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10874389/Boko-Haram-attack-church-dressed-as-Nigeria-soldiers-as-dozens-are-killed-in-fresh-raids.html

evil deceitful savages .In the news everyday with atrocity after atrocity. I just cannot understand the like so lovedust excusing this evil cult

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:55 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
lovedust wrote:

Of course it isn't any more peaceful and tolerant than Anders Breivik committing mass murder in the "name" of Jesus Christ. That wicked and despicable act wasn't the fault of Christianity, but an individual committed to great evil.

The difference is that islam and its atrocities are in the news daily breivik was a one off

Keep defending islam though you will regret it one day

How often are the good works of Islam in the news?
Such as the fact young Muslims refrain from alcohol, thereby showing binge drinking young adults in Britain there's a healthier way to live?

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:58 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:Christians shepherded into a church by armed men apparently for their safety died when those soldiers turned out to be Boko Haram fighters in disguise, who opened fire on the cowering crowd in their latest attack.

It was one of at least six different raids across northern Nigeria on Monday and Tuesday, when as many as 30 people died.

The attacks again illustrate the militants’ supremacy over Nigeria’s state security forces, who have made little progress in freeing more than 200 schoolgirls kidnapped close to two months ago.

Boko Haram's latest offensive came as it was reported Nigerian army officers have been convicted by courts martial for colluding with the al-Qaeda allied group, including providing them with weapons and secret intelligence.

Ten generals and five other senior officers were found guilty in the first of what were said to be several ongoing prosecutions of corrupt soldiers, Nigerian media reported.

The country's military, whose fighters are underpaid and often outgunned, has repeatedly faced allegations that both rank-and-file soldiers and officers were working with the enemy.

Key allegations include that they provided Boko Haram with weapons, or that telephone calls were made to the Islamists allowing them to prepare ambushes as military convoys drove past.

Some reports alleged that soldiers deserted their posts to fight alongside the militants before returning to their army bases in the evening. This could not be confirmed.

Maj. Gen. Chris Olukolade, the defense ministry spokesman, reissued an earlier statement, saying: "once again categorically that there is no truth whatsoever in the report".

Britain is among several nations offering assistance to the Nigerian government and its military to help find the missing schoolgirls.

Privately, Western security sector sources in the country report exasperation among those coming to help over the slow pace of the Nigerians' reactions to the kidnap crisis.

The girls are understood now to have been separated into several groups, making armed rescue of all the girls at the same time far more complicated and dangerous.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10874389/Boko-Haram-attack-church-dressed-as-Nigeria-soldiers-as-dozens-are-killed-in-fresh-raids.html

evil deceitful savages .In the news everyday with atrocity after atrocity. I just cannot understand the like so lovedust excusing this evil cult

you are quite right love, daily the muslims are killing someone...

the biggest thing they don't want to see is the fact that though breivik claimed to be a Christian if he was he would not have killed because the bible says don't but we know the koran tells people to kill , just for them not being muslim, apostasy, adultery what ever...

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:00 pm

lovedust wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

The difference is that islam and its atrocities are in the news daily breivik was a one off

Keep defending islam though you will regret it one day

How often are the good works of Islam in the news?
Such as the fact young Muslims refrain from alcohol, thereby showing binge drinking young adults in Britain there's a healthier way to live?

Why is that something to put in the news, most Christians i know never drink i don't ever drink , my adult kids don't drink or smoke ,but i don't report it to skynews and tell them .

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:05 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
lovedust wrote:

How often are the good works of Islam in the news?
Such as the fact young Muslims refrain from alcohol, thereby showing binge drinking young adults in Britain there's a healthier way to live?

Why is that something to put in the news, most Christians i know never drink i don't ever drink , my adult kids don't drink or smoke ,but i don't report it to skynews and tell them .

Why shouldn't it be in the news?

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:09 pm

lovedust wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Why is that something to put in the news, most Christians i know never drink i don't ever drink , my adult kids don't drink or smoke ,but i don't report it to skynews and tell them .

Why shouldn't it be in the news?

because saying look at us we don't drink, while lining up people and killing them doesn't really balance the books //

by Ben Reilly Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:10 pm

Attention members of the media: Kindly stop referring to the Nigerian terrorist group Boko Haram as “Islamic terrorists,” “Islamists” or anything else involving the word “Islam.” The despicable acts taken by this militant group—from kidnapping schoolgirls to slaughtering people at churches and mosques—have absolutely nothing to do with Islam. In fact, as one well-known Imam told me, the claim by Boko Haram’s leader that its actions are based on Islamic principles is “blasphemy” of the worst kind.

Why do our media continually use terms like “Islamist” or “Islamic radical” to describe people or groups without doing the bare minimum investigation into whether there’s actually a connection between their conduct and Islam? Instead, it appears that the media assume that if the person is Muslim and claims he is acting in accordance the faith, that’s good enough for them. It shouldn’t be.

Here’s some real “breaking news”: Want to know how much of the violent acts committed by Boko Haram are based on Islamic principles? Nothing, nada, niente, rien, or any word you want to use for having no connection.

And this isn’t just my view. It’s what Muslims around the world having been saying for the past week as they have both denounced Boko Haram’s savagery and stated that Boko Haram’s actions are in no way sanctioned or supported by Islamic principles. We heard this from leaders of major American-Muslim organizations who held a press conference last week, as well as from leading clerics in Saudi Arabia, Canada and Nigeria. Hopefully, this ends the claim we hear from those who ask, “Why don’t we see Muslims denounce terrorism?”

And closer to home, in New York City, three Muslim-American leaders emphatically made this very point to me. Imam Shamsi Ali, known for his interfaith work with Rabbi Marc Schneier, Russell Simmons and others, expressed his anger that political terrorists like Boko Haram invoke Islam as the reason for their “heinous crimes.” Imam Ali called the Boko Haram leaders “blasphemous” for claiming the Koran sanctions their violence against innocent people, since it’s not only “contrary to everything Islam stands for” but also it’s “a crime against God and humanity.”

Daisy Khan, founder of the Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality, called Boko Haram’s kidnapping of schoolgirls a “horrendous crime” that “violates every major objective of Islam.” Khan explained that nowhere does the Koran ban women from getting an education or support in any way kidnapping women and selling them as slaves, as Boko Haram has claimed. Khan described Boko Haram actions as not being a “mistaken interpretation of the Koran, but a sheer fabrication of what it actually states.”

It’s also troubling to see the double standard employed by our media when they cover terrorists or extremists who are Muslim when compared to those of other faiths. For example, in the past we have seen literally hundreds of violent attacks against abortion clinics, from fire bombings to doctors being murdered. These militants are no doubt inspired by their religious views, but we don’t hear the media refer to them as “Christian terrorists.”

And why don’t the media use the term “Christianists” to describe extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church, or Bryan Fischer of the powerful Christian organization the American Family Association? Fischer has claimed that “homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler” and that gays are the reason 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust, and who has praised the recent laws passed in Uganda making it a crime to be gay? These people believe that they are doing what Christianity demands of them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/12/the-boko-haram-terrorists-are-not-islamic.html

by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:21 pm

lovedust wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:
The difference is that islam and its atrocities are in the news daily breivik was a one off

Keep defending islam though you will regret it one day
How often are the good works of Islam in the news?
Such as the fact young Muslims refrain from alcohol, thereby showing binge drinking young adults in Britain there's a healthier way to live?

Are you serious????

You do know what the national drink is in Turkey is don't you...???

And about the drunk Somalian women here racially attacking an innocent young white British woman shouting 'kill the white slag!'...???

One of my old friends, dead now, was a Muslim, bit of a Piss head and loved to smoke weed too, while also very keen on preaching about how great Islam was.

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:29 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
lovedust wrote:

Why shouldn't it be in the news?

because saying look at us we don't drink, while lining up people and killing them doesn't really balance the books //

But as Vod has pointed out, most Muslims are peaceful. So raising awareness that the most Muslims in Britain are peaceful and abstinent would not only "balance the books" but give a much more representative account of Muslim life in Britain.

by Guest Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
lovedust wrote:
How often are the good works of Islam in the news?
Such as the fact young Muslims refrain from alcohol, thereby showing binge drinking young adults in Britain there's a healthier way to live?

Are you serious????

You do know what the national drink is in Turkey is don't you...???

And about the drunk Somalian women here racially attacking an innocent young white British woman shouting 'kill the white slag!'...???

One of my old friends, dead now, was a Muslim, bit of a Piss head and loved to smoke weed too, while also very keen on preaching about how great Islam was.

Right, so a bad-minded group of Muslim girls got drunk and your Muslim friend used to drink, but Muslims in Britain typically don't drink, right?

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:03 am

The Islamic world is saying that Boko Haram is as Islamic as the Westboro Baptists are Christian. But everybody ignore that and continue to hate.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:07 am

Still not answered..... what is The national drink of turkey...???

So Muslims don't drink right...???

And I suppose they don't do drugs either...???

Maybe you can tell us where most of The worlds heroin comes from then eh???

And I suppose you are going to tell me that Muslims don't break the law either, don't lie and never do any of The other bad things that we see them doing every day.......

Ok....

Hold on, I know what you are going to say, they're not proper Muslims and It's only a few......

So what is a proper Muslim???

One who doesn't follow their guide book 'religiously' and lies, cheats, drinks, smokes, does drugs etc?

Or one who does follow the guide book 'religiously' and follows the message of war death and destruction in the quest of achieving a complete Muslim take over everywhere???

You can't have it both ways lefties.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:03 am

What's a proper Christian? Someone who kills a gossip, or a disobedient child?

"They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

- Romans

by veya_victaous Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:11 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Still not answered..... what is The national drink of turkey...???

So Muslims don't drink right...???

And I suppose they don't do drugs either...???

Maybe you can tell us where most of The worlds heroin comes from then eh???

And I suppose you are going to tell me that Muslims don't break the law either, don't lie and never do any of The other bad things that we see them doing every day.......

Ok....

Hold on, I know what you are going to say, they're not proper Muslims and It's only a few......

So what is a proper Muslim???

One who doesn't follow their guide book 'religiously' and lies, cheats, drinks, smokes, does drugs etc?

Or one who does follow the guide book 'religiously' and follows the message of war death and destruction in the quest of achieving a complete Muslim take over everywhere???

You can't have it both ways lefties.

yes you can

Some Muslims follow the Koran that teaches peace and love to the exact same extent as Christianity, some Muslims like many Christians put there Secular lives before their Spiritual.

Actually You really are Racist to even view people in such a way. Neutral

For Example You are English, Catman is English, therefore you are gay and don't have a job.

People are individuals trying to define them purely by one aspect of their individuality is just plain old wrong and inaccurate.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:02 am

Did Jesus ever kill anyone or advocate the killing of anyone...?
Not at all.
Did Mohammed ever kill anyone or advocate the killing of anyone?
Completely at every opportunity and commanded to others as a requirement of achieving Islamic domination.
Now the question remains.... what is an example of a proper Muslim?
I asked dodge months ago to tell me what Islamic country is a good example of 'right' or 'proper' Islam.....
And after weeks of asking without any reply....... he came back with..........
SENEGAL!!!!!!
Now how the fuck do you work that out..!!!???
Not any of the main and founding countries of Islam, Or the most religious of followers known to this world, not anywhere where the 'religion'originated or where the oldest mosques and Muslim scriptures are held, but a tiny war torn west African state about as far away as possible!!!
Maybe Ben, YOU can tell us what Islamic country YOU think is a good example of 'right' or 'proper' Islam....????
That this example of 'right' Islam that we might be able to judge all other Muslims by????
lol!

In your own time......
And I'm sure it will be a while before you dare to reply, if at all it fact....!!!!
You lefties are quick to tell us what Islam is not, maybe you can clarify this point to let us know what Islam actually is....!!!????
lol!

.......????

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:05 am

Same question to veya....????

lol!

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:53 am

You're just being stupid, Tommy. The point is that things as big as Christianity or Islam mean many different things to many different people, and one person's "true" whatever is another person's blasphemy.

by veya_victaous Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:59 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Did Jesus ever kill anyone or advocate the killing of anyone...?
Not at all.
Did Mohammed ever kill anyone or advocate the killing of anyone?
Completely at every opportunity and commanded to others as a requirement of achieving Islamic domination.
Now the question remains.... what is an example of a proper Muslim?
I asked dodge months ago to tell me what Islamic country is a good example of 'right' or 'proper' Islam.....
And after weeks of asking without any reply....... he came back with..........
SENEGAL!!!!!!
Now how the fuck do you work that out..!!!???
Not any of the main and founding countries of Islam, Or the most religious of followers known to this world, not anywhere where the 'religion'originated or where the oldest mosques and Muslim scriptures are held, but a tiny war torn west African state about as far away as possible!!!
Maybe Ben, YOU can tell us what Islamic country YOU think is a good example of 'right' or 'proper' Islam....????
That this example of 'right' Islam that we might be able to judge all other Muslims by????

In your own time......
And I'm sure it will be a while before you dare to reply, if at all it fact....!!!!
You lefties are quick to tell us what Islam is not, maybe you can clarify this point to let us know what Islam actually is....!!!????

.......????

DID Jesus's Disciples ever advocate killing
YES they most certainly DID
And NO Mohamed DID not Advocate killing and More than Jesus Possibly did
NO ONE HAS A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN BY JESUS!!!!
Simon Advocated Armed Resistance and the killing of non Christians, Christians were still murdering Shaman and other native spiritual leaders until about 130 years ago!!!!!

When Soldiers came to take Mohammed away (or kill him) did he fight? NO he converted them to Islam,
When With said Soldiers he approached Mecca Did he lay Siege..... No he walked a circle about the City and left and did the same 3 years in a row before Mecca submitted and proclaimed him the Prophet of God.

Same Question to you!!! Name A Christian Country that is Actually Christian and Not Secular that isn't completely evil?
I'll think you will find before secularism Christians Were Murdering Assholes that Burnt people alive for disagreeing with them.

Again there is no GOOD country that is Islamic just like there has NEVER been a GOOD country that is Christian!!!!

AND you are as Stupid as VOD and HF, it is Obvious that you have NEVER read a Koran or A BIBLE as no one that has would ever suggest the Koran has more killing, torture and brutality than the Bible Because it doesn't!!!! Just like the Old testament is more brutal than the new testament the Koran (3rd testament) is less brutal Again!!!!!

READ THE FUCKING THING IF YOU WANT TO GO MAKE CLAIMS!!!!!! I'm seriously getting sick of people that say Such and such say this with out providing any evidenced and one that has read will Disagree with. Why the Fuck are you debating something you haven't even made and effort to read?????

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:53 am

Makes me laugh the bullshit Matti comes out with and Veya you are right, he has not the first clue what he is talking about

What many Christians believe

Jesus is God

Jesus is the God of the Old Testement

Christians believe that the Old Testement is the inspired word of God

The Old Testement is authentic to the Christian

Not only do we know that Christians believe this, but that they believed and excuse all the Herem he carried out, not only commanding genocide, but also massacring children and people also, to the point it is proclaimed he will come back again at the head of an army to wipe out a third of the world.

…13He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
15From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.

by veya_victaous Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:01 am

@didge
the really ironic thing is that IF they really the Koran they would find it almost perfectly matches their socio-political opinion.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:08 am

veya_victaous wrote:@didge
the really ironic thing is that IF they really the Koran they would find it almost perfectly matches their socio-political opinion.

Shhhh, you cannot say that, they would be in such shock, I doubt they could recover..

A very valid point indeed.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:18 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Did Jesus ever kill anyone or advocate the killing of anyone...?
Not at all.
Did Mohammed ever kill anyone or advocate the killing of anyone?
Completely at every opportunity and commanded to others as a requirement of achieving Islamic domination.
Now the question remains.... what is an example of a proper Muslim?
I asked dodge months ago to tell me what Islamic country is a good example of 'right' or 'proper' Islam.....
And after weeks of asking without any reply....... he came back with..........
SENEGAL!!!!!!
Now how the fuck do you work that out..!!!???
Not any of the main and founding countries of Islam, Or the most religious of followers known to this world, not anywhere where the 'religion'originated or where the oldest mosques and Muslim scriptures are held, but a tiny war torn west African state about as far away as possible!!!
Maybe Ben, YOU can tell us what Islamic country YOU think is a good example of 'right' or 'proper' Islam....????
That this example of 'right' Islam that we might be able to judge all other Muslims by????

In your own time......
And I'm sure it will be a while before you dare to reply, if at all it fact....!!!!
You lefties are quick to tell us what Islam is not, maybe you can clarify this point to let us know what Islam actually is....!!!????

.......????

DID Jesus's Disciples ever advocate killing
YES they most certainly DID
And NO Mohamed DID not Advocate killing and More than Jesus Possibly did
NO ONE HAS A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN BY JESUS!!!!
Simon Advocated Armed Resistance and the killing of non Christians, Christians were still murdering Shaman and other native spiritual leaders until about 130 years ago!!!!!

When Soldiers came to take Mohammed away (or kill him) did he fight? NO he converted them to Islam,
When With said Soldiers he approached Mecca Did he lay Siege..... No he walked a circle about the City and left and did the same 3 years in a row before Mecca submitted and proclaimed him the Prophet of God.

Same Question to you!!! Name A Christian Country that is Actually Christian and Not Secular that isn't completely evil?
I'll think you will find before secularism Christians Were Murdering Assholes that Burnt people alive for disagreeing with them.

Again there is no GOOD country that is Islamic just like there has NEVER been a GOOD country that is Christian!!!!

AND you are as Stupid as VOD and HF, it is Obvious that you have NEVER read a Koran or A BIBLE as no one that has would ever suggest the Koran has more killing, torture and brutality than the Bible Because it doesn't!!!! Just like the Old testament is more brutal than the new testament the Koran (3rd testament) is less brutal Again!!!!!

READ THE FUCKING THING IF YOU WANT TO GO MAKE CLAIMS!!!!!! I'm seriously getting sick of people that say Such and such say this with out providing any evidenced and one that has read will Disagree with. Why the Fuck are you debating something you haven't even made and effort to read?????

All I will say is that if islam want's to show it is a peaceful religion then the atrocities every day need to stop but that won't happen .

P.S I'm not stupid i might not have had much schooling due to a childhood illness , but stupid i am not .

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:32 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

DID Jesus's Disciples ever advocate killing
YES they most certainly DID
And NO Mohamed DID not Advocate killing and More than Jesus Possibly did
NO ONE HAS A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN BY JESUS!!!!
Simon Advocated Armed Resistance and the killing of non Christians, Christians were still murdering Shaman and other native spiritual leaders until about 130 years ago!!!!!

When Soldiers came to take Mohammed away (or kill him) did he fight? NO he converted them to Islam,
When With said Soldiers he approached Mecca Did he lay Siege..... No he walked a circle about the City and left and did the same 3 years in a row before Mecca submitted and proclaimed him the Prophet of God.

Same Question to you!!! Name A Christian Country that is Actually Christian and Not Secular that isn't completely evil?
I'll think you will find before secularism Christians Were Murdering Assholes that Burnt people alive for disagreeing with them.

Again there is no GOOD country that is Islamic just like there has NEVER been a GOOD country that is Christian!!!!

AND you are as Stupid as VOD and HF, it is Obvious that you have NEVER read a Koran or A BIBLE as no one that has would ever suggest the Koran has more killing, torture and brutality than the Bible Because it doesn't!!!! Just like the Old testament is more brutal than the new testament the Koran (3rd testament) is less brutal Again!!!!!

READ THE FUCKING THING IF YOU WANT TO GO MAKE CLAIMS!!!!!! I'm seriously getting sick of people that say Such and such say this with out providing any evidenced and one that has read will Disagree with. Why the Fuck are you debating something you haven't even made and effort to read?????

All I will say is that if islam want's to show it is a peaceful religion then the atrocities every day need to stop but that won't happen .

P.S I'm not stupid i might not have had much schooling due to a childhood illness , but stupid i am not .

You are not stupid you claim, then if this is so you will look at many things from both side, not doing so is not the most intelligent thing to do, you thus allow bias to intervene in your views, hence the point Veya is making on actually reading things properly and without a bias. It is one of the reasons I decided to become atheist, because I started to look at the bible with out bias, that bias being a Christian

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:42 am

Didge=stupid

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:45 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:Didge=stupid

That is your choice to believe anything you like, including fairies, green goblins and a man as a god.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:49 am

Didge wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:Didge=stupid

That is your choice to believe anything you like, including fairies, green goblins and a man as a god.

Satan wants to be God. So he made his own book called the koran .

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:57 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Didge wrote:

That is your choice to believe anything you like, including fairies, green goblins and a man as a god.

Satan wants to be God. So he made his own book called the koran .

Then you should blame God, as according to your bible, he was created by God.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:08 am

Didge wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Satan wants to be God. So he made his own book called the koran .

Then you should blame God, as according to your bible, he was created by God.

prophesy will have to be fulfilled and we are seeing it everyday , in the face of islam .

That's what i was saying the false prophet of islam is leading innocent Muslims into hell .

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:17 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Didge wrote:

Then you should blame God, as according to your bible, he was created by God.

prophesy will have to be fulfilled and we are seeing it everyday , in the face of islam .

That's what i was saying the false prophet of islam is leading innocent Muslims into hell .

Well to me your deity, the Muslims deity are evil, which is summed up best here:

That Which Causes Evil, is Evil

Per definition, something that causes evil has to be evil itself. No good, moral person would purposefully cause evil acts to be committed. The God of the bible causes so many evil atrocities it is amazing to me that anyone could worship him. The most blatant example of this is hell. I’m reminded of the analogy that goes as follows.

Imagine a father were to tell his son that by the time he is twelve, he must decide whether or not to love his dad. The father says the child is free to choose whatever he wants, but if he chooses to not love his father, then the father will put his son in the oven and cook him. What sort of freedom of choice is this? I don’t think it is any choice. Surely a man who did this would be considered one of the most insane, sick, twisted, and evil person you could meet. He would be thrown in prison for child abuse, neglect, and infanticide. Even the criminals in prison would look down on this child murderer, most likely taking out revenge in the child’s name. How ironic is it then that when God does this, we worship him, say “God is Love”, and build churches (or Mosques, my emphasis) in his honor.

Yet this is the choice God gives us in the bible (and Quran, my emphasis). Either love him, and choose him, or we will face the fires of hell. In fact, I think the God of the bible to be a much more sadistic, unjust, malevolent, and cruel than the man who puts his son in an oven. This is because the God of the bible (and Quran, my emphasis) punishes us eternally. The young boy will burn and die. Mankind will suffer the pains of hell for eternity.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:21 am

lovedust wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:scumbags, this is muslims being peaceful and tolerant I guess...

Of course it isn't any more peaceful and tolerant than Anders Breivik committing mass murder in the "name" of Jesus Christ. That wicked and despicable act wasn't the fault of Christianity, but an individual committed to great evil.

What an unbelievably disgusting and vile person you are lovedust.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:42 am

BigAndy9 wrote:
lovedust wrote:

Of course it isn't any more peaceful and tolerant than Anders Breivik committing mass murder in the "name" of Jesus Christ. That wicked and despicable act wasn't the fault of Christianity, but an individual committed to great evil.

What an unbelievably disgusting and vile person you are lovedust.

Really? On a scale of one to a a million, you being one for evil, she is a million for good.

by veya_victaous Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:38 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

DID Jesus's Disciples ever advocate killing
YES they most certainly DID
And NO Mohamed DID not Advocate killing and More than Jesus Possibly did
NO ONE HAS A SINGLE WORD WRITTEN BY JESUS!!!!
Simon Advocated Armed Resistance and the killing of non Christians, Christians were still murdering Shaman and other native spiritual leaders until about 130 years ago!!!!!

When Soldiers came to take Mohammed away (or kill him) did he fight? NO he converted them to Islam,
When With said Soldiers he approached Mecca Did he lay Siege..... No he walked a circle about the City and left and did the same 3 years in a row before Mecca submitted and proclaimed him the Prophet of God.

Same Question to you!!! Name A Christian Country that is Actually Christian and Not Secular that isn't completely evil?
I'll think you will find before secularism Christians Were Murdering Assholes that Burnt people alive for disagreeing with them.

Again there is no GOOD country that is Islamic just like there has NEVER been a GOOD country that is Christian!!!!

AND you are as Stupid as VOD and HF, it is Obvious that you have NEVER read a Koran or A BIBLE as no one that has would ever suggest the Koran has more killing, torture and brutality than the Bible Because it doesn't!!!! Just like the Old testament is more brutal than the new testament the Koran (3rd testament) is less brutal Again!!!!!

READ THE FUCKING THING IF YOU WANT TO GO MAKE CLAIMS!!!!!! I'm seriously getting sick of people that say Such and such say this with out providing any evidenced and one that has read will Disagree with. Why the Fuck are you debating something you haven't even made and effort to read?????

All I will say is that if islam want's to show it is a peaceful religion then the atrocities every day need to stop but that won't happen .

P.S I'm not stupid i might not have had much schooling due to a childhood illness , but stupid i am not .

I am only suggesting the stupidity in relation to having NOT read a Koran, you may be perfectly competent at other things Wink

And...
Islam is not represented by Boko Haram
and more than Westboro represents Christians
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:42 am

Westbro church don't blow people up or fly planes into tower blocks, yes they picket funerals and target homosexuals, they even tell me i am going to hell because i don't hold their views .
but islam is violent compared to the Westbro church .

by veya_victaous Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:01 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:Westbro church don't blow people up or fly planes into tower blocks, yes they picket funerals and target homosexuals, they even tell me i am going to hell because i don't hold their views .
but islam is violent compared to the Westbro church .

a few groups, from nations of extreme poverty and civil war normally Rolling Eyes

The point is a normal Muslim can no more Make them stop being violent dicks than you can stop Westboro or anti-balaka

http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/in-tragic-twist-anti-balaka-christian-terror-groups-attack-african-muslims-9691/

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:18 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:Westbro church don't blow people up or fly planes into tower blocks, yes they picket funerals and target homosexuals, they even tell me i am going to hell because i don't hold their views .
but islam is violent compared to the Westbro church .

a few groups, from nations of extreme poverty and civil war normally

The point is a normal Muslim can no more Make them stop being violent dicks than you can stop Westboro or anti-balaka

http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/in-tragic-twist-anti-balaka-christian-terror-groups-attack-african-muslims-9691/

the koran creates the behaviour it tells them to kill, to hang gays and to kill apostates, so the muslim just do as they are told and shown by there alleged prophet..

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:41 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

a few groups, from nations of extreme poverty and civil war normally

The point is a normal Muslim can no more Make them stop being violent dicks than you can stop Westboro or anti-balaka

http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/in-tragic-twist-anti-balaka-christian-terror-groups-attack-african-muslims-9691/

the koran creates the behaviour it tells them to kill, to hang gays and to kill apostates, so the muslim just do as they are told and shown by there alleged prophet..

So does the bible, so you must hate your own religion too using that logic

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:49 pm

Didge wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

the koran creates the behaviour it tells them to kill, to hang gays and to kill apostates, so the muslim just do as they are told and shown by there alleged prophet..

So does the bible, so you must hate your own religion too using that logic

i must have missed those verses didge..lol

but we see muslims still killing..

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:05 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Didge wrote:

So does the bible, so you must hate your own religion too using that logic

i must have missed those verses didge..lol

but we see muslims still killing..

Well not suprised if you have, when there is apostasy and killing gays

We still see Christians killing and a vast history of it, which means using your logic, that it does create the behavior, or are you now claiming when Christians have done so there was another reason?

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:09 pm

Didge wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

i must have missed those verses didge..lol

but we see muslims still killing..

Well not suprised if you have, when there is apostasy and killing gays

We still see Christians killing and a vast history of it, which means using your logic, that it does create the behavior, or are you now claiming when Christians have done so there was another reason?

we don't see Christians killing at all, they may claim to be Christians but if they are killing they are not following the bible...

but we know the koran wants you to kill non believers, apostates, gays and we see daily evidence ..

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:11 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well not suprised if you have, when there is apostasy and killing gays

We still see Christians killing and a vast history of it, which means using your logic, that it does create the behavior, or are you now claiming when Christians have done so there was another reason?

we don't see Christians killing at all, they may claim to be Christians but if they are killing they are not following the bible...

but we know the koran wants you to kill non believers, apostates, gays and we see daily evidence ..

So by that logic many Muslims claim the same that the extremists are not following the Quran, thus they are not Muslims or following the Quran using your logic.

We know the bible has commands to kill non-believers, murder gays and has a history of this happening en mass.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:45 pm

Didge wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

we don't see Christians killing at all, they may claim to be Christians but if they are killing they are not following the bible...

but we know the koran wants you to kill non believers, apostates, gays and we see daily evidence ..

So by that logic many Muslims claim the same that the extremists are not following the Quran, thus they are not Muslims or following the Quran using your logic.

We know the bible has commands to kill non-believers, murder gays and has a history of this happening en mass.

we have seen the muslim atrocities lived out every day for the last how many years and it still goes on, we have seen courts sentence and hang gays, we have seen courts sentence apostates to death only days ago...

I think it shows exactly what to expect from muslims and from a muslim country..

if you watched newsnight a couple of days ago, it was about the radicals taking over birmingham schools, when the muslim man who was teachng kids was asked is their a place in society for adulteres to be stoned to death and for limbs to be cut off for crimes and the muslim man, who was a white man with a yorkshire accent would not say that stoning an adulteress to death or removal of limbs was wrong, he danced round the question, that tells you everything islam stands for and the same man said he wants to see sharia in this country...

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:52 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Didge wrote:

So by that logic many Muslims claim the same that the extremists are not following the Quran, thus they are not Muslims or following the Quran using your logic.

We know the bible has commands to kill non-believers, murder gays and has a history of this happening en mass.

we have seen the muslim atrocities lived out every day for the last how many years and it still goes on, we have seen courts sentence and hang gays, we have seen courts sentence apostates to death only days ago...

I think it shows exactly what to expect from muslims and from a muslim country..

if you watched newsnight a couple of days ago, it was about the radicals taking over birmingham schools, when the muslim man who was teachng kids was asked is their a place in society for adulteres to be stoned to death and for limbs to be cut off for crimes and the muslim man, who was a white man with a yorkshire accent would not say that stoning an adulteress to death or removal of limbs was wrong, he danced round the question, that tells you everything islam stands for and the same man said he wants to see sharia in this country...

Illogical argument because it has one fatal flaw.

It is irrelevant if little such events happen by Christians today, it has a vast history of this happening for one simple reason. When this did happen, it was the religious and political elite that ruled society, which today now Christianity has little or no say in how a country is run. It still is though the religious and political elite that rules in most Muslim countries, which is why you still have problems, which over time will change like Christianity losing its influence.
So your point is utterly moot, both have a history of both followers using their religious books as justification to kill, non-believers, apostates, homosexuals, you ignore that fact and ignore the fact hardly any religious or political elite have power anymore.

So again you should hate your own bible as it is little different to the punishments, commands and actual events of all this happening, in both books, both have had the same problem with followers.

Try again

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:56 pm

Didge wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

we have seen the muslim atrocities lived out every day for the last how many years and it still goes on, we have seen courts sentence and hang gays, we have seen courts sentence apostates to death only days ago...

I think it shows exactly what to expect from muslims and from a muslim country..

if you watched newsnight a couple of days ago, it was about the radicals taking over birmingham schools, when the muslim man who was teachng kids was asked is their a place in society for adulteres to be stoned to death and for limbs to be cut off for crimes and the muslim man, who was a white man with a yorkshire accent would not say that stoning an adulteress to death or removal of limbs was wrong, he danced round the question, that tells you everything islam stands for and the same man said he wants to see sharia in this country...

Illogical argument because it has one fatal flaw.

It is irrelevant if little such events happen by Christians today, it has a vast history of this happening for one simple reason. When this did happen, it was the religious and political elite that ruled society, which today now Christianity has little or no say in how a country is run. It still is though the religious and political elite that rules in most Muslim countries, which is why you still have problems, which over time will change like Christianity losing its influence.
So your point is utterly moot, both have a history of both followers using their religious books as justification to kill, non-believers, apostates, homosexuals, you ignore that fact and ignore the fact hardly any religious or political elite have power anymore.

So again you should hate your own bible as it is little different to the punishments, commands and actual events of all this happening, in both books, both have had the same problem with followers.

Try again

Didge, what you have just said is this:

Christians don't go around killing thousands any more but muslims do, but Christians used to a long time ago so let the muslims continue - they'll stop eventually.

And also this:

And you lot having a go at them - leave them the hell alone!

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:58 pm

Didge wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

we have seen the muslim atrocities lived out every day for the last how many years and it still goes on, we have seen courts sentence and hang gays, we have seen courts sentence apostates to death only days ago...

I think it shows exactly what to expect from muslims and from a muslim country..

if you watched newsnight a couple of days ago, it was about the radicals taking over birmingham schools, when the muslim man who was teachng kids was asked is their a place in society for adulteres to be stoned to death and for limbs to be cut off for crimes and the muslim man, who was a white man with a yorkshire accent would not say that stoning an adulteress to death or removal of limbs was wrong, he danced round the question, that tells you everything islam stands for and the same man said he wants to see sharia in this country...

Illogical argument because it has one fatal flaw.

It is irrelevant if little such events happen by Christians today, it has a vast history of this happening for one simple reason. When this did happen, it was the religious and political elite that ruled society, which today now Christianity has little or no say in how a country is run. It still is though the religious and political elite that rules in most Muslim countries, which is why you still have problems, which over time will change like Christianity losing its influence.
So your point is utterly moot, both have a history of both followers using their religious books as justification to kill, non-believers, apostates, homosexuals, you ignore that fact and ignore the fact hardly any religious or political elite have power anymore.

So again you should hate your own bible as it is little different to the punishments, commands and actual events of all this happening, in both books, both have had the same problem with followers.

Try again

lol the bible stated what it did for a time and a place, that is the biggest difference, the new testament shows peace, grace and mercy....

that is why you see Christians being peaceful... and why you could argue anyone who would kill is not following the bible..

the koran on the other hand remains exactly where it was written in barbaric times, it's example was a murdering peado, so it is hardly surprising still today and every day we see atrocities caused by the koran as it commands it's followers to kill non muslims, to kill apostates, to kill gays... Smile

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:59 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:

Illogical argument because it has one fatal flaw.

It is irrelevant if little such events happen by Christians today, it has a vast history of this happening for one simple reason. When this did happen, it was the religious and political elite that ruled society, which today now Christianity has little or no say in how a country is run. It still is though the religious and political elite that rules in most Muslim countries, which is why you still have problems, which over time will change like Christianity losing its influence.
So your point is utterly moot, both have a history of both followers using their religious books as justification to kill, non-believers, apostates, homosexuals, you ignore that fact and ignore the fact hardly any religious or political elite have power anymore.

So again you should hate your own bible as it is little different to the punishments, commands and actual events of all this happening, in both books, both have had the same problem with followers.

Try again

Didge, what you have just said is this:

Christians don't go around killing thousands any more but muslims do, but Christians used to a long time ago so let the muslims continue - they'll stop eventually.

And also this:

And you lot having a go at them - leave them the hell alone!

I don't think he reads his own posts at all.. Smile

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:01 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:

Illogical argument because it has one fatal flaw.

It is irrelevant if little such events happen by Christians today, it has a vast history of this happening for one simple reason. When this did happen, it was the religious and political elite that ruled society, which today now Christianity has little or no say in how a country is run. It still is though the religious and political elite that rules in most Muslim countries, which is why you still have problems, which over time will change like Christianity losing its influence.
So your point is utterly moot, both have a history of both followers using their religious books as justification to kill, non-believers, apostates, homosexuals, you ignore that fact and ignore the fact hardly any religious or political elite have power anymore.

So again you should hate your own bible as it is little different to the punishments, commands and actual events of all this happening, in both books, both have had the same problem with followers.

Try again

Didge, what you have just said is this:

Christians don't go around killing thousands any more but muslims do, but Christians used to a long time ago so let the muslims continue - they'll stop eventually.

And also this:

And you lot having a go at them - leave them the hell alone!

That shows you cannot read, it shows that it is political elites, through religious and political that allow religious law to being above human moral law and that has happened throughout Christian history, they rules by biblical law. They do not have that power, which if they did it would return, Christianity, where for example there is a large following in American that want to see a return to biblical law, now why is this Andy?
So again if they had power then you would see far more Christians doing the same, that is religion for you and history proves that.

Try again

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