Right Wing: Your dead kids don’t trump my constitutional rights

A US conservative activist has written an open letter to the families of mass killer Elliot Rodger’s victims, arguing the deaths of innocent people “don’t trump” his constitutional rights.

Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known by the nickname “Joe the Plumber”, said his letter is directed “only to the families of the gunshot victims in Santa Barbara” and not the families of three others who were stabbed before the shooting spree.

Rodger, 22, killed seven people, including himself, and wounded 13 others when he went on a killing spree in Isla Vista, California, on Friday.

But the bloodbath wasn’t enough to convince conservatives like Wurzelbacher that America has a problematic gun culture, where the issue of the right to bear arms is hotly contested.

“I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But: As harsh as this sounds — your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights,” Wurzelbacher wrote.

smelly_bandit wrote:Problematic gun culture??

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention?

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Let's ban butter knives while we are at it

You're an idiot

smelly_bandit wrote:

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention??

smelly_bandit wrote:And FYI your opinion is irrelevant since the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution

And no amount of wailing and hair pulling from an irrelevant like you will change it

Good luck trying, in sure the NRA will listen to you

Didge wrote:And the answer to your question is also yes

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/19/1473881/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-a-gun-show-safety-checkpoint-on-gun-appreciation-day/

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention??

Has a gun owner ever killed people?


Yes


You lost, next

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Has a gun owner ever killed people?


Yes


You lost, next

Has a non gun owner ever killed anyone

Yes

Has a vehicle owner ever killed anyone??

Yes

Next??

smelly_bandit wrote:Desperate didge is starting to see the argument for banning guns is irrelevant

Since no gun in the history of guns has ever been tried for murder

It's always a human tried and never the gun

How many people have used their hands to kill??

How many have used knives or cars or stones??

The stupid left don't understand that people kill because they kill and whether they have access to a gun or not won't change that

So i will ask the question you avoid

If guns are banned do you believe Americas murder rate will disappear

Because that is your argument - without guns there would be no murder (checkmate)

smelly_bandit wrote:So no guns no murder is didges view

What a clown

Anyone else want to debate??

smelly_bandit wrote:Did the nazis use guns as the primary method to murder the Jews in the holocaust??

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:So no guns no murder is didges view

What a clown

Anyone else want to debate??

No weapons, would reduce murder dramatically, try reading, as I sad to ban all weapons, which I did not say would stop all murders, but would reduce the ability to murder

DOH

What a fuckwit.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

No weapons, would reduce murder dramatically, try reading, as I sad to ban all weapons, which I did not say would stop all murders, but would reduce the ability to murder

DOH

What a fuckwit.

So even you admit that banning all weapons won't stop murder, which simply proves that people will murder each other regardless of guns or not

So why ban guns at all if it won't as you say stop all murder??

Guns aren't the problem because guns don't fire themselves you idiot

smelly_bandit wrote:So guns aren't solely responsible for murder

So banning them would have little to no effect at all

Good chat didge

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:So guns aren't solely responsible for murder

So banning them would have little to no effect at all

Good chat didge

As proven they would, as how would have JFK been assassinated?

How would many have been assassinated without guns smelly?

Opps, you really fucked up there mate, I just decreased the possibility to how people can murder, which you fail to grasp

Tommy Monk wrote:Here in UK we have very strict gun controls/laws, so strict in fact that it means this......



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/4162498.stm





However, criminals in UK still have fairly easy access to guns, with a couple of shootings in London every day on average, and we don't have 'operation tridant' for nothing.....



How is stopping sensible and law abiding people having access to guns going to stop criminals and nut cases having them and still going about their criminal/nut case activities with them or just choosing other weapons instead?

Joy Division wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Here in UK we have very strict gun controls/laws, so strict in fact that it means this......



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/4162498.stm





However, criminals in UK still have fairly easy access to guns, with a couple of shootings in London every day on average, and we don't have 'operation tridant' for nothing.....



How is stopping sensible and law abiding people having access to guns going to stop criminals and nut cases having them and still going about their criminal/nut case activities with them or just choosing other weapons instead?

And quite right too..there are too may clowns who want to see our gun laws relaxed and further endanger kids,  a few posters on here are minded like that.

Thank fcuk they do to run this country.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


As proven they would, as how would have JFK been assassinated?

How would many have been assassinated without guns smelly?

Opps, you really fucked up there mate, I just decreased the possibility to how people can murder, which you fail to grasp

So you're now going back and saying that banning guns would remove all murder

Make up you mind

Either banning guns will eradicate murder or it won't, you completely ignore the fact that you cannot stop murder by removing one method of killing

You're full of shit if you JFK would not have been killed without guns

But the  again you are full shit because you think guns are the only way people are murdered

Tommy Monk wrote:Point I was making is that a criminal or nutcase can quite easily get an illegal gun or other weapons.


Stopping law abiding people having guns doesn't stop this.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

So you're now going back and saying that banning guns would remove all murder

Make up you mind

Either banning guns will eradicate murder or it won't, you completely ignore the fact that you cannot stop murder by removing one method of killing

You're full of shit if you JFK would not have been killed without guns

But the  again you are full shit because you think guns are the only way people are murdered

Not once have I stated guns are the only way to kill people, showing how desperate you are when you get a kicking on a debate, I stated I would ban all weaponry, which reduces the potential for people to commit murder, they are thus limited with how to murder someone, something it seems you are too thick to understand

Never again stated that, I am for removing something that will reduce the capability to commit murder, as seen how would JFK been killed without guns on weaponry? You would need to get up close, which would be near impossible to do with a home made knife. Even getting a bomb close enough would be difficult, so again by having no guns, you reduce to potential to kill, something it seems you are clueless on. So you do not believe then in disarming then smelly, which is odd as is that not a policy used to stop insurgents?


DOH


You really are a fuckwit and are getting a hammering here, I suggest you wait until Victor comes on, at least he will give this a good argument, you are just embarrassing yourself

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

Not once have I stated guns are the only way to kill people, showing how desperate you are when you get a kicking on a debate, I stated I would ban all weaponry, which reduces the potential for people to commit murder, they are thus limited with how to murder someone, something it seems you are too thick to understand

Never again stated that, I am for removing something that will reduce the capability to commit murder, as seen how would JFK been killed without guns on weaponry? You would need to get up close, which would be near impossible to do with a home made knife. Even getting a bomb close enough would be difficult, so again by having no guns, you reduce to potential to kill, something it seems you are clueless on. So you do not believe then in disarming then smelly, which is odd as is that not a policy used to stop insurgents?


DOH


You really are a fuckwit and are getting a hammering here, I suggest you wait until Victor comes on, at least he will give this a good argument, you are just embarrassing yourself

Ban all weaponry shrieks didge as he rides his purple unicorn over the rainbow

Didge you have already made several u turns on this thread

You first said it would stop murder

Then you conceded that it won't

Then you changed your mind and went from guns to any weapons

Then you conceded that the murder rate won't come down but it would only limit the methods available for killing, but because it won't stop killing completely it's a pointless exercise

How many killing sprees have there been at gun conventions??

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Ban all weaponry shrieks didge as he rides his purple unicorn over the rainbow

Didge you have already made several u turns on this thread

You first said it would stop murder

Then you conceded that it won't

Then you changed your mind and went from guns to any weapons

Then you conceded that the murder rate won't come down but it would only limit the methods available for killing, but because it won't stop killing completely it's a pointless exercise

How many killing sprees have there been at gun conventions??

It would stop some murders, yes, quite simply as you denying methods to kill people, people having easy access to guns actually increases the chances to murder people, which is why you are a clueless fuckwit.
I have not changed my mind on anything, it just shows you are a fuckwit and cannot read, I never stated it would stop all murders, but that murdering someone becomes that much harder to do whereas having a gun can kill someone from a distance and not even be seen. Thus are you starting to now realise why you are such a dummy?

The fact is there is no reason to have weaponry as a hobby, why should there be, when it is only for the satisfaction to empower people to as they say get their gun off. Still craping on and using lame arguments now to gun conventions, it matters not because the fact is these gun conventions have idiots that sell guns illegally to people, the point you also miss.


Now again why was the gun invented smelly?

BigAndy9 wrote:We have strict gun laws here.

Does it stop crims killing innocent people?  Don't be silly.

smelly_bandit wrote:
Problematic gun culture??

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention?

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Let's ban butter knives while we are at it

You're an idiot

smelly_bandit wrote:

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention??

Gun activists designated last Saturday “Gun Appreciation Day” in an attempt to highlight their opposition to gun safety laws. The PR stunt proved to be more of an embarrassment, however, when 5 people were shot at 3 different gun shows on Gun Appreciation Day.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention??

Do you bother with this thing we call thinking?

Gun activists designated last Saturday “Gun Appreciation Day” in an attempt to highlight their opposition to gun safety laws. The PR stunt proved to be more of an embarrassment, however, when 5 people were shot at 3 different gun shows on Gun Appreciation Day.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/26/1500431/for-the-sixth-time-in-one-week-man-shot-at-gun-show/

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Has there ever been a shooting at a gun convention??

Do you bother with this thing we call thinking?

Gun activists designated last Saturday “Gun Appreciation Day” in an attempt to highlight their opposition to gun safety laws. The PR stunt proved to be more of an embarrassment, however, when 5 people were shot at 3 different gun shows on Gun Appreciation Day.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/26/1500431/for-the-sixth-time-in-one-week-man-shot-at-gun-show/

smelly_bandit wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Do you bother with this thing we call thinking?



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/26/1500431/for-the-sixth-time-in-one-week-man-shot-at-gun-show/

Your lapdog didge already tried this one you fucking halfwit

The guns were mishandled it wasn't a massacre you retard

The gun was being handled and demonstrated

Your desperation is stinking up the place

Joy Division wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:We have strict gun laws here.

Does it stop crims killing innocent people?  Don't be silly.

No, but it drastically reduces more gun crime and death.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Your lapdog didge already tried this one you fucking halfwit

The guns were mishandled it wasn't a massacre you retard

The gun was being handled and demonstrated

Your desperation is stinking up the place

Still not able to counter my points and that you need to feel exhilarated at the thought of firing a gun which it was designed to kill, the only one that is desperate is you, without guns available it decreases the methods to kill people, something you have no answer to.


Take your time

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Still not able to counter my points and that you need to feel exhilarated at the thought of firing a gun which it was designed to kill, the only one that is desperate is you, without guns available it decreases the methods to kill people, something you have no answer to.


Take your time

Guns are strictly controlled in the uk and still we have weekly shooting

How has outlawing guns stop those who want them from getting them??

Take your time