Are you for Creation or Evolution?

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:so what are you evolving into??

an all round superior human being than you smelly         

Lone Wolf wrote: 

ANYONE who is still kicking the creationist/"ID" football around in this day and age is fundamentally an anti-science denialist, too scared to actually look at the  collective evidence against their ignorant "faith" that is staring them in the face each and every day...

MAINLY in the wide biodiversity of life on this planet, far too numerous, varied and interconnected as to have either fitted into the mythical "Noah's Ark", nor to have developed this far in merely six-and-a-half thousand years..   

Didge wrote:religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/Submit
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms: faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology; More
a particular system of faith and worship.

Evolution is none of the above dummy, hence why some people of religion are such a danger to society, just like you.

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:
an all round superior human being than you smelly         

so your views on evolution are unfounded is what you're saying since we are not evolving into something else

oops  

Original Quill wrote:I would so love to meet the old man in the sky...not to watch the magic tricks, but I judge he may be my intellectual equal.  At least, in the same realm...so that we could understand one another.

I get so tired of these idiots who can't string two thoughts together, nor understand that it isn't evidence if it isn't agreed upon by all.  Faith is the denial of understanding.  Mercy is prideful and has a purpose.

Jesus Christ was alright...he was a humanist.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I would so love to meet the old man in the sky...not to watch the magic tricks, but I judge he may be my intellectual equal.  At least, in the same realm...so that we could understand one another.

I get so tired of these idiots who can't string two thoughts together, nor understand that it isn't evidence if it isn't agreed upon by all.  Faith is the denial of understanding.  Mercy is prideful and has a purpose.

Jesus Christ was alright...he was a humanist.

well by your standards their isn't much that can be agreed upon by all then...  

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

well by your standards their isn't much that can be agreed upon by all then...  

Speaking of agreeing on things, I was wondering, how much of science do you accept? For instance, do you trust scientists' findings that, say, Ganymede is the largest moon in the solar system, or the physics that make airplane flight possible?

Or do you subscribe to some sort of "intelligent floating" theory?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

well by your standards their isn't much that can be agreed upon by all then...  

Speaking of agreeing on things, I was wondering, how much of science do you accept? For instance, do you trust scientists' findings that, say, Ganymede is the largest moon in the solar system, or the physics that make airplane flight possible?

Or do you subscribe to some sort of "intelligent floating" theory?

I accept a lot of what science has done ....  

victorisnotamused wrote:ever thought that BOTH may be true??? they are NOT incompatible, unless you are an abrahamist of one of the many flavours available...

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:so what are you evolving into??

an all round superior human being than you smelly         

so your views on evolution are unfounded is what you're saying since we are not evolving into something else

oops  

victorisnotamused wrote:ever thought that BOTH may be true??? they are NOT incompatible, unless you are an abrahamist of one of the many flavours available...

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

so your views on evolution are unfounded is what you're saying since we are not evolving into something else

oops  

You might not be        

But that would be your limited Christian soul, my body is not going to evolve in this life time but as humans we will evolve and as a person and as a soul I AM evolving in this life, the previous, the next and the one after that too   

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

so your views on evolution are unfounded is what you're saying since we are not evolving into something else

oops  

You might not be        

But that would be your limited Christian soul, my body is not going to evolve in this life time but as humans we will evolve and as a person and as a soul I AM evolving in this life, the previous, the next and the one after that too   

but never in to an entirely different species, we never see any evidence of that happening..  

stardesk wrote:Veya, in one respect you're right, for both are seeking truth, but obviously the conclusions are vastly different. You know as we all do, that Creationists put their faith and trust in a mythic god, and/or Jesus, but that's all it is, a personal and mental desire to place their faith and trust in those mythical beings. Scientific conclusions are based on research, and such conclusions are verified by other scientists, worldwide. A vast difference between Creationism and science isn't it.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:science and the bible are not always at odds..

evolution is just the main thing...

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:science and the bible are not always at odds..

evolution is just the main thing...

And Astronomy the Bible Clearly says the Sun revolves around the earth    Plus a bunch of others i cant be bother to look up    since i doubt you would read it   

The sun moves and not the earth:

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

The earth is stationary:



1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

It is planted in a foundation:



2 Samuel 22:16
Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Psalms 18:15
Then the channels of the sea were seen, and the foundations of the world were laid bare, at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Psalms 102:25
Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Proverbs 8:27-29
When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,

Isaiah 48:13
My hand laid out the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

The Earth is flat (you cannot see the entire Earth because it is round):



Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens.

Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

Daniel 4:10-11
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them;

Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

veya_victaous wrote:

The sun moves and not the earth:

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

The earth is stationary:



1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

It is planted in a foundation:



2 Samuel 22:16
Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Psalms 18:15
Then the channels of the sea were seen, and the foundations of the world were laid bare, at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Psalms 102:25
Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Proverbs 8:27-29
When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,

Isaiah 48:13
My hand laid out the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

The Earth is flat (you cannot see the entire Earth because it is round):



Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens.

Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

Daniel 4:10-11
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them;

Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Ben_Reilly wrote:In fact, all species are transitional.

Ben_Reilly wrote:There are transitional fossils of amphibians that evolved into reptiles, reptiles that evolved into land mammals, and land mammals that evolved into sea mammals.