The Great Ukip Racism Debate, Continued - Three New Pieces of Evidence

The Labour Party does not describe itself as the Benefit scroungers party , but many of it's voters are.

.. Very interesting chart of opinions Didge,,,and just as I thought..UKIP are racist bastard party, with the majority of its voters racists.

UKIP arte being such bad press but any publicisity is good publicity.

They have stated they will not join forces with the far right parties fdrom France, Holland even germany and Austria who are expected to make huge gains in the Euro elections next week

The EU will change beyond belief.

England is not alone.

gerber wrote:UKIP arte being such bad press but any publicisity is good publicity.

They have stated they will not join forces with the far right parties fdrom France, Holland even germany and Austria who are expected to make huge gains in the Euro elections next week

The EU will change beyond belief.

England is not alone.

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Many people make many claims, but as seen many racists follow UKIP, as I have stated before it will be their downfall

gerber wrote:UKIP arte being such bad press but any publicisity is good publicity.

They have stated they will not join forces with the far right parties fdrom France, Holland even germany and Austria who are expected to make huge gains in the Euro elections next week

The EU will change beyond belief.

England is not alone.

You know Gerbs , that sounds just like we are on the verge of returning to Nazism!

I can just picture Europe's skinheads in mass!!

racism is rubbish people need to grow up .

they called me this they called me that , its pathetic and childish .

i'm white my children are mixed race and beautiful if anyone ever called them names i know they are blind because my boys were stunning babies children and now handsome young men .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:racism is rubbish people need to grow up .

they called me this they called me that , its pathetic and childish .

i'm white my children are mixed race and beautiful if anyone ever called them names i know they are blind because my boys were stunning babies children and now handsome young men .

Yet why did you kick up such a fuss over a poster wishing your husband dead?

You see you advocate free speech, then contradict free speech, stating he should not be allowed to say that.

You see how people always contradict themselves as you do?

Now I agree what Veya said was wrong, even though what your husband was promoting was wishing death on many by his views, but you seem to excuse others who say things that are wrong.

Free speech is an illusion, because people are irresponsible with it, hence why we have is to protect you and everyone from someone verbally threatening your life, abusing you etc

Didge wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:racism is rubbish people need to grow up .

they called me this they called me that , its pathetic and childish .

i'm white my children are mixed race and beautiful if anyone ever called them names i know they are blind because my boys were stunning babies children and now handsome young men .

Yet why did you kick up such a fuss over a poster wishing your husband dead?

You see you advocate free speech, then contradict free speech, stating he should not be allowed to say that.

You see how people always contradict themselves as you do?

Now I agree what Veya said was wrong, even though what your husband was promoting was wishing death on many by his views, but you seem to excuse others who say things that are wrong.

Free speech is an illusion, because people are irresponsible with it, hence why we have is to protect you and everyone from someone verbally threatening your life, abusing you etc

no problem didge that death and cancer was wished upon both of us by two posters .
i don't imagine that you or i would walk about the streets and wish death and cancer on people as a pass time just because we have freedom of speech , i think as adults we should know what is right and wrong , but your idea of racism is about everything and anything and that is was is silly .
My husband was not wishing death on anyone was he and you know it . He was debating natural cures .
If i remember correctly you were the one who would take the freedom of choice away from people and force chemo upon patients .

Phillipa wrote: The Labour Party does not describe itself as the Benefit scroungers party , but many of it's voters are.

Indeed they are and many of the boidson here actually support the fraudsters and scroungers.

Strange they think they hold the moral high ground when all they do is do down the workers and cheer on the shirkers.

Actually Didge you support an EU that wants to stop the ultimate in free speech the transfer of powers without referral t the electorate. That you defend the last government. You are either a lefty pretending to be a Tory or the wettest collaborating limp wristed excuse for a Tory I have ever come across.

Alright said Fred wrote:

Phillipa wrote: The Labour Party does not describe itself as the Benefit scroungers party , but many of it's voters are.

Indeed they are and many of the boidson here actually support the fraudsters and scroungers.

Strange they think they hold the moral high ground when all they do is do down the workers and cheer on the shirkers.

And that's from you that rented your other house out to people on benefits so that you would get a regular cheque from the DWP whilst at the same time bleating about the system being all wrong and branding people as benefit scroungers.

You sought to profit from the system you railed against by getting the taxpayer to pay for the rent and hypocrisy doesn't come much worse than that.

Typical Tory.

Joy Division wrote:

gerber wrote:UKIP arte being such bad press but any publicisity is good publicity.

They have stated they will not join forces with the far right parties fdrom France, Holland even germany and Austria who are expected to make huge gains in the Euro elections next week

The EU will change beyond belief.

England is not alone.

You know Gerbs  , that sounds just like we are on the verge of returning to Nazism!

I can just picture Europe's skinheads in mass!!

I see its either lefty labourites or we are all skinhead Nazis. Rather shows how left wing you are, Labour has suppressed the rights of the electorate when it promised to give us a vote over Lisbon. Gordon lied when he knew we were agains it he signed it without the vote.

It socialist lying scum anti democrats we need to worry about not a minority of BNP skinheads etc.

Alright said Fred wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

gerber wrote:UKIP arte being such bad press but any publicisity is good publicity.

They have stated they will not join forces with the far right parties fdrom France, Holland even germany and Austria who are expected to make huge gains in the Euro elections next week

The EU will change beyond belief.

England is not alone.

You know Gerbs  , that sounds just like we are on the verge of returning to Nazism!

I can just picture Europe's skinheads in mass!!

I see its either lefty labourites or we are all skinhead Nazis. Rather shows how left wing you are, Labour has suppressed the rights of the electorate when it promised to give us a vote over Lisbon. Gordon lied when he knew we were agains it he signed it without the vote.

It socialist lying scum anti democrats we need to worry about not a minority of BNP skinheads etc.

Ukip members 'akin to Nazis', says Tory MP who claims it has cleansed his party of extremists

The Tories are right in there as well Drinky.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-criticises-ukips-sinister-element-and-claims-it-has-cleansed-his-party-of-people-with-extreme-views-9174810.html



Thatcher didn't ask if we wanted to be in the EU. The Lisbon Treaty was not an in/out issue.

Irn Bru wrote:

Alright said Fred wrote:
Indeed they are and many of the boidson here actually support the fraudsters and scroungers.

Strange they think they hold the moral high ground when all they do is do down the workers and cheer on the shirkers.

And that's from you that rented your other house out to people on benefits so that you would get a regular cheque from the DWP whilst at the same time bleating about the system being all wrong and branding people as benefit scroungers.

You sought to profit from the system you railed against by getting the taxpayer to pay for the rent and hypocrisy doesn't come much worse than that.

Typical Tory.

Actually you scum bag lefty I let the house to the benefits girl without knowing she was a fraudster. I only found out later. The difference is you applaud them. She put me off for good I don't want to house scum who ruin my property. She was a scouser low life lefty much beloved by you.

She paid the rent direct to me her scam was uncovered later. She tried to bail without paying her rent that she had already received.

I saved for years to buy that property that of course is irrelevant you lefties are unimpressed by hard work and savers just scroungers and wasters.

Alright said Fred wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Alright said Fred wrote:
Indeed they are and many of the boidson here actually support the fraudsters and scroungers.

Strange they think they hold the moral high ground when all they do is do down the workers and cheer on the shirkers.

And that's from you that rented your other house out to people on benefits so that you would get a regular cheque from the DWP whilst at the same time bleating about the system being all wrong and branding people as benefit scroungers.

You sought to profit from the system you railed against by getting the taxpayer to pay for the rent and hypocrisy doesn't come much worse than that.

Typical Tory.

Actually you scum bag lefty I let the house to the benefits girl without knowing she was a fraudster. I only found out later. The difference is you applaud them. She put me off for good I don't want to house scum who ruin my property. She was a scouser low life lefty much beloved by you.

She paid the rent direct to me her scam was uncovered later. She tried to bail without paying her rent that she had already received.

I saved for years to buy that property that of course is irrelevant you lefties are unimpressed by hard work and savers just scroungers and wasters.

Doesn't matter the circumstances. You still tried to get the rent paid by the taxpayer.

Typical Tory.

Irn Bru wrote:

Alright said Fred wrote:
Indeed they are and many of the boidson here actually support the fraudsters and scroungers.

Strange they think they hold the moral high ground when all they do is do down the workers and cheer on the shirkers.

And that's from you that rented your other house out to people on benefits so that you would get a regular cheque from the DWP whilst at the same time bleating about the system being all wrong and branding people as benefit scroungers.

You sought to profit from the system you railed against by getting the taxpayer to pay for the rent and hypocrisy doesn't come much worse than that.

Typical Tory.

He said over a year ago that it was on the market, then recently he said that it was still on the market.

Must be in a right state if he hasn't sold it by now, he must be one of those slum landlords that couldn't be bothered to bring it up to a decent standard and was being threatened with prosecution if he kept on renting it out.

Scum.    

There is no debate.

It's just a few rich leaders not wanting to lose their money using a few stupid sheep who are taken in by their lies to stir trouble.

Norman T wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

And that's from you that rented your other house out to people on benefits so that you would get a regular cheque from the DWP whilst at the same time bleating about the system being all wrong and branding people as benefit scroungers.

You sought to profit from the system you railed against by getting the taxpayer to pay for the rent and hypocrisy doesn't come much worse than that.

Typical Tory.

He said over a year ago that it was on the market, then recently he said that it was still on the market.

Must be in a right state if he hasn't sold it by now, he must be one of those slum landlords that couldn't be bothered to bring it up to a decent standard and was being threatened with prosecution if he kept on renting it out.

Scum.    

It has been completely refurbished actually Phyllis the trouble is I stand to lose around £25k because I bought it at the peak. I am trying to cut my losses. Scum like you meant I had a huge extra bill to put it right. Low life scum has no respect for property as you and your deseased partner know.

You of course boast how you rip of the benefits system when you are hiding assets bequeathed to you and when you could actually work.

I actually paid high rate tax for many years you have just sponged scum boy.

Alright said Fred wrote:

Norman T wrote:

He said over a year ago that it was on the market, then recently he said that it was still on the market.

Must be in a right state if he hasn't sold it by now, he must be one of those slum landlords that couldn't be bothered to bring it up to a decent standard and was being threatened with prosecution if he kept on renting it out.

Scum.    

It has been completely refurbished actually Phyllis the trouble is I stand to lose around £25k because I bought it at the peak. I am trying to cut my losses. Scum like you meant I had a huge extra bill to put it right. Low life scum has no respect for property as you and your deseased partner know.

You of course boast how you rip of the benefits system when you are hiding assets bequeathed to you and when you could actually work.

I actually paid high rate tax for many years you have just sponged scum boy.

TBF....If you were as obnoxious and difficult towards your tenants, as you are to the LW on here, i would give them three cheers if they trashed the place before they left!

Hip Hip.....Hoorah!

Hip Hip......Hoorah!

Hip Hip.....Hoorah!

Scum boy even rhymes with??? boy.

They did a lot of damage fortunately I have plenty money and investments besides that buy to let.

You have nothing but a diseased knob.

Alright said Fred wrote:Scum boy even rhymes with??? boy.

They did a lot of damage fortunately I have plenty money and investments besides that buy to let.

You have nothing but a diseased knob.

You mean, you live off your wife.  

Alright said Fred wrote:Scum boy even rhymes with??? boy.

They did a lot of damage fortunately I have plenty money and investments besides that buy to let.

You have nothing but a diseased knob.

It is clear that you are a rogue landlord.

 :aspukeas: 

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yet why did you kick up such a fuss over a poster wishing your husband dead?

You see you advocate free speech, then contradict free speech, stating he should not be allowed to say that.

You see how people always contradict themselves as you do?

Now I agree what Veya said was wrong, even though what your husband was promoting was wishing death on many by his views, but you seem to excuse others who say things that are wrong.

Free speech is an illusion, because people are irresponsible with it, hence why we have is to protect you and everyone from someone verbally threatening your life, abusing you etc

no problem didge that death and cancer was wished upon both of us by two posters .
i don't imagine that you or i would walk about the streets and wish death and cancer on people as a pass time just because we have freedom of speech , i think as adults we should know what is right and wrong , but your idea of racism is about everything and anything and that is was is silly .
My husband was not wishing death on anyone was he and you know it . He was debating natural cures .
If i remember correctly you were the one who would take the freedom of choice away from people and force chemo upon patients .

My point is though you did kick up a massive stink about it, requesting action, as much as I disagreed with what was said, you show a contradiction claiming free speech, where as I stated clearly free speech has limitations to protect people from hate by law and rightly so.
I would not have an issue if you and your husband offered alternatives, without telling people to stop their treatment or take medical advice, and admit it has only cured some people and that it may not work at all, thus they are taking a risk, what your hubby does is in fact wishing death on people by providing very poor advice, because some people have stopped medical treatment that could have saved them and dies from this poor advice from others.

Having said that he is not all bad and will admit when my brother was dying of cancer in no way tried to offer me any such advice and only gave his deepest sympathies and asked politely if he could say a prayer of which I granted. If he was more like that I would have far more time for him

Alright said Fred wrote:Actually Didge you support an EU that wants to stop the ultimate in free speech the transfer of powers without referral t the electorate. That you defend the last government. You are either a lefty pretending to be a Tory or the wettest collaborating limp wristed excuse for a Tory I have ever come across.

Incorrect again, I want to see reform to the EU and if not able to allow the people to vote. To me it would be rash to just leave without any attempt to reform it, showing you are yet again using wild childish lies because you hold a silly childish grudge

Again you need to grow up

Didge wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

no problem didge that death and cancer was wished upon both of us by two posters .
i don't imagine that you or i would walk about the streets and wish death and cancer on people as a pass time just because we have freedom of speech , i think as adults we should know what is right and wrong , but your idea of racism is about everything and anything and that is was is silly .
My husband was not wishing death on anyone was he and you know it . He was debating natural cures .
If i remember correctly you were the one who would take the freedom of choice away from people and force chemo upon patients .

My point is though you did kick up a massive stink about it, requesting action, as much as I disagreed with what was said, you show a contradiction claiming free speech, where as I stated clearly free speech has limitations to protect people from hate by law and rightly so.
I would not have an issue if you and your husband offered alternatives, without telling people to stop their treatment or take medical advice, and admit it has only cured some people and that it may not work at all, thus they are taking a risk, what your hubby does is in fact wishing death on people by providing very poor advice, because some people have stopped medical treatment that could have saved them and dies from this poor advice from others.

Having said that he is not all bad and will admit when my brother was dying of cancer in no way tried to offer me any such advice and only gave his deepest sympathies and asked politely if he could say a prayer of which I granted. If he was more like that I would have far more time for him  

Neither of us told anyone to stop treatment there is a difference in explaining that alternative is a different approach but it is up to the individual what they do next .

as for kicking up a stink about two members wishing cancer and death on us then that is abusing freedom of speech but since then i realize we can say what we wish without anyone condemning it so this is why i will speak out about muslims gays rights or whatever other subject i feel strongly about because since the death wish on here to me and my husband it has shown me that the thing to do is speak one's mind .

also Didge , my husband is a very strong christian and helps many people with different problems, remember this is a forum and people only have so much patience before they crack , i think both of us and you too put up with a lot of flack from other posters and i like you have deleted in anger because there is only so much people can stand , but regardless of your views about my husband he is a good man and everyone in real life who know him say the same , his sense of humour is very strange at times but we are all different aren't we , what one might find funny another will be offended .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Didge wrote:

My point is though you did kick up a massive stink about it, requesting action, as much as I disagreed with what was said, you show a contradiction claiming free speech, where as I stated clearly free speech has limitations to protect people from hate by law and rightly so.
I would not have an issue if you and your husband offered alternatives, without telling people to stop their treatment or take medical advice, and admit it has only cured some people and that it may not work at all, thus they are taking a risk, what your hubby does is in fact wishing death on people by providing very poor advice, because some people have stopped medical treatment that could have saved them and dies from this poor advice from others.

Having said that he is not all bad and will admit when my brother was dying of cancer in no way tried to offer me any such advice and only gave his deepest sympathies and asked politely if he could say a prayer of which I granted. If he was more like that I would have far more time for him  

Neither of us told anyone to stop treatment there is a difference in explaining that alternative is a different approach but it is up to the individual what they do next .

as for kicking up a stink about two members wishing cancer and death on us then that is abusing freedom of speech but since then i realize we can say what we wish without anyone condemning it so this is why i will speak out about muslims gays rights or whatever other subject i feel strongly about because since the death wish on here to me and my husband it has shown me that the thing to do is speak one's mind .

Er yes you both argued against medical advice when you both have none, you also promoted chemo kills and to knot use it even though it saves lives.
People did condemn what was stated to you, and I condemn poor arguments that are based upon hate, so again free speech has limitations, you cannot say as you like in the real world, if you think you can, I suggest you go up to a Police officer and call him a fucking pig and hope he dies and see what happens.
Again to the person who said that to you, thought very much you wee wishing death onto countless people with your poor non-medical advice on how to treat cancer.

I have no doubt your husband does help people, that though does not excuse promoting  as he well does hateful views onto homosexuals or Muslims, it is certainly no values that Jesus taught. It is up to him if he likes them or not but promoting hateful views will get countered for what they are.
I have nothing against him and as I said hen it matters I know he cares when he PM me about my brother, he should concentrate on that part of him in life the good part, as all have good and bad in them, no doubt you see far more good and am happy for you, but I will defend against poor views that play on fear and hate


Good luck to you both