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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 1:20 pm

Every new car sold in Britain will have to have a ‘black box’ device fitted to track drivers’ movements from next year, under plans being imposed by the European Union.

Despite serious concerns about privacy and cost, UK ministers admit they are powerless to stop the Big Brother technology being forced on motorists and car makers.

The Government believes the gadget, designed to help emergency services find crashed vehicles, will add at least £100 to the cost of vehicles without providing significant safety improvements.

Officials also fear the scheme, known as eCall, could be used by police or insurance companies to monitor motorists’ every move.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625244/EU-bug-car-UK-tracker-chips-Ministers-admit-powerless-stop-Big-Brother-technology.html#ixzz31PPG6kjI

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 1:31 pm

I am sure didge will pop up to reassure us that it wont really happen and even what does happen is absolutely necessary for the greater good.

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 1:42 pm

Won't be in my car......
Vote UKIP!
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 4:24 pm

Anyone who is against this is obviously a big evil criminal with massive stashes of paedophilic pornography.

Why else would you have a problem with it, right?

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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 4:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Won't be in my car......
Vote UKIP!

If you buy a new car after the date they eventually put this in place then it probably will.
MEPs voted this through and Nigel Farage, Dan Hannan, Geoffrey Bloom and Nick Griffin didn't are a few of the British MEPs that didn't even bother to vote.

100 Euros on the price of the car to save a life. Might be worth it, especially if it's yours.
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 4:40 pm

My mistake - its Irn bru coming out with the "for the greater good" line not didge.

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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 4:45 pm

sphinx wrote:My mistake - its Irn bru coming out with the "for the greater good" line not didge.

Forget it and stop trying to turn this on the poster. I'm giving you facts about who didn't vote and what the cost may be in saving a life. People can decide for themselves whether it's for the greater good so don't assume that numbers are on your side.
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 4:54 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Won't be in my car......
Vote UKIP!

100 Euros on the price of the car to save a life. Might be worth it, especially if it's yours.

I think we should implant tracking chips in everyone at birth as well as tattooing bar-codes on everyone for easy identification.
Would stop crime dead in it's tracks!

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 5:00 pm

So it was the lib lab con politicians in EU who voted this through....?
Like I said, it won't be in my car.... trust me!
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:02 pm

Samhraí wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

100 Euros on the price of the car to save a life. Might be worth it, especially if it's yours.

I think we should implant tracking chips in everyone at birth as well as tattooing bar-codes on everyone for easy identification.
Would stop crime dead in it's tracks!
The way things are going that day won't be far off!

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:05 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Samhraí wrote:

I think we should implant tracking chips in everyone at birth as well as tattooing bar-codes on everyone for easy identification.
Would stop crime dead in it's tracks!
The way things are going that day won't be far off!

B-b-but Tess! You're using the slippery s-slope logical f-f-f-fallacy!!!!!

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:17 pm

So something that could save lives is being bandied about as some evil measure and now money matters more than saving lives, interesting.

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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 5:19 pm

Here's the non Daily Mail version

http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/ecall-time-saved-lives-saved
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 5:22 pm

It's not slippery slope, it's 'progressive'!!!!!
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It's not slippery slope, it's 'progressive'!!!!!
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I agree it is progressive to have something that could save lives, sadly though some always try to deny saving lives based off poor claims to how something made be used and think of how this will also tackle car crime, hey ho people always use the negatives and fail to see the many positives

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 5:28 pm

Back so soon dodge.....?



Compulsory wearing of crash helmets, neck guard, racing seat belts and fitting of roll cage is more likely to rate lives, and won't be monitoring your every move by big brother state dictatorship.....



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Post by Ben Reilly Sun May 11, 2014 5:28 pm

The hysteria reminds me strongly of this story:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/gun-tracking-bracelets-debunked
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Back so soon dodge.....?



Compulsory wearing of crash helmets, neck guard, racing seat belts and fitting of roll cage is more likely to rate lives, and won't be monitoring your every move by big brother state dictatorship.....





Yes back to stand against poor arguments as seen here where you do not seem to think the safety of people if of no importance

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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 5:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Back so soon dodge.....?



Compulsory wearing of crash helmets, neck guard, racing seat belts and fitting of roll cage is more likely to rate lives, and won't be monitoring your every move by big brother state dictatorship.....




What was voted through was specifically amended to cover use only for emergency services.

So let's rip out airbags from cars so that they are cheaper. Would that your stance?
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 5:40 pm

Yes that's why I advocate the wearing/using of protective equipment I mentioned earlier.
Much more likely to save lives as it will help prevent the injuries in The first place.
And won't be monitoring my every move and sending to big brother state dictatorship.
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Post by eddie Sun May 11, 2014 5:40 pm

Funny isn't it?
No one wanted it back.

Must be nice to be so liked.
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes that's why I advocate the wearing/using of protective equipment I mentioned earlier.
Much more likely to save lives as it will help prevent the injuries in The first place.
And won't be monitoring my every move and sending to big brother state dictatorship.


I agree on wearing protective gear, what has this though got to do with you being against a measure that could save lives?

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:45 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Back so soon dodge.....?



Compulsory wearing of crash helmets, neck guard, racing seat belts and fitting of roll cage is more likely to rate lives, and won't be monitoring your every move by big brother state dictatorship.....




What was voted through was specifically amended to cover use only for emergency services.

So let's rip out airbags from cars so that they are cheaper. Would that your stance?
Sillyness. No-one would object to airbags - they don't impinge on your privacy do they? And these chips can be bought, if you make the choice. Try looking that word up in the dictionary: c-h-o-i-c-e. It doesn't appear to be in the socialist big brother vocabulary, except maybe as an offensive term.

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:47 pm

There is no choice when it comes to helping save lives, you seem to think more about a big brother claim than hat the purpose of this measure is, to help save lives

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 5:48 pm

Stop being choice-ist!!!!!!
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:50 pm

Didge wrote:So something that could save lives is being bandied about as some evil measure and now money matters more than saving lives, interesting.

Yea how could anyone have a problem with being tracked all the time.

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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 5:51 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Back so soon dodge.....?



Compulsory wearing of crash helmets, neck guard, racing seat belts and fitting of roll cage is more likely to rate lives, and won't be monitoring your every move by big brother state dictatorship.....




What was voted through was specifically amended to cover use only for emergency services.

So let's rip out airbags from cars so that they are cheaper. Would that your stance?
Sillyness.  No-one would object to airbags - they don't impinge on your privacy do they? And these chips can be bought, if you make the choice.  Try looking that word up in the dictionary: c-h-o-i-c-e.  It doesn't appear to be in the socialist big brother vocabulary, except maybe as an offensive term.

Try reading up on what it does and not on what the Daily Mail tells you.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-547_en.htm

Choice!!! Yes. Can you buy a new car with no airbags in it? Are they compulsory?
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 5:51 pm

It's not about saving lives, it's about monitoring your every move by a big brother dictatorship state, but bringing it in under the guise of being about saving lives.....!
Well if it's my car and I'm driving it then it's my choice if I want this or not, as it's my life and it's up to me!
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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 5:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It's not about saving lives, it's about monitoring your every move by a big brother dictatorship state, but bringing it in under the guise of being about saving lives.....!
Well if it's my car and I'm driving it then it's my choice if I want this or not, as it's my life and it's up to me!

Read about it

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-547_en.htm
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:00 pm

"....It is also expected that the eCall technology platform capabilities (i.e., positioning, processing and communication modules) could be exploited for additional services (e.g., advanced insurances schemes, stolen vehicles tracking etc)...."




Exactly what I was saying.....


I won't be having one in my car and that is my choice.


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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:"....It is also expected that the eCall technology platform capabilities (i.e., positioning, processing and communication modules) could be exploited for additional services (e.g., advanced insurances schemes, stolen vehicles tracking etc)...."




Exactly what I was saying.....


I won't be having one in my car and that is my choice.




That does not mean it will, that is again poor fear arguments

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:06 pm

Piss off Didge you bell end.


Of course all these other things that it has been designed to be used for won't ever be used.......!






What a twat!



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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:08 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Piss off Didge you bell end.


Of course all these other things that it has been designed to be used for won't ever be used.......!






What a twat!



Thought you'd embarrassed yourself enough this weekend already!?



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So you have no argument and instead as per usual come out with views on me.

Brilliant, about sums up every argument you fail at

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:08 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
Sillyness.  No-one would object to airbags - they don't impinge on your privacy do they? And these chips can be bought, if you make the choice.  Try looking that word up in the dictionary: c-h-o-i-c-e.  It doesn't appear to be in the socialist big brother vocabulary, except maybe as an offensive term.

Try reading up on what it does and not on what the Daily Mail tells you.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-547_en.htm

Choice!!! Yes. Can you buy a new car with no airbags in it? Are they compulsory?
D'uhhh - so are wheels! Do they track your whereabouts or infringe on your privacy?

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:11 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

Try reading up on what it does and not on what the Daily Mail tells you.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-547_en.htm

Choice!!! Yes. Can you buy a new car with no airbags in it? Are they compulsory?
D'uhhh - so are wheels!  Do they track your whereabouts or infringe on your privacy?


You can already track people by their cellphones, so again it is a moot argument.

Again lets weigh up the balance of arguments here.

Saving lives and helping fight crime against a claim of which has not been proven that it could be used to track people

Non-argument, saving lives will always be more important

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Piss off Didge you bell end.


Of course all these other things that it has been designed to be used for won't ever be used.......!






What a twat!



Thought you'd embarrassed yourself enough this weekend already!?



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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:16 pm

Another poor argument about me and not the thread, I rest my case, some people are just here to shit stir

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:16 pm

Well dodge, if you are going to talk shit what do you expect?
The EU's own web page says it could be used for all the things listed.
And all you're doing is dancing on the head of a pin about the use/meaning of the word 'could'
Do you seriously think that all these other things that it has been designed to be used for won't ever be used.......???!!!
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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Well dodge, if you are going to talk shit what do you expect?
The EU's own web page says it could be used for all the things listed.
And all you're doing is dancing on the head of a pin about the use/meaning of the word 'could'
Do you seriously think that all these other things that it has been designed to be used for won't ever be used.......???!!!

Yes it could, that does not mean it will and again you are making a poor argument off its true intent which is to save lives or fighting crime, which it seems you deem less important.

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:26 pm

Says the man who wants to stop police targeting people in stop and search who match the descriptions of reported criminals.....!


If it's my car and my life, It is my choice.


But this is really about tracking you, movements and sendidg to a big brother dictatorship state.


And mobile phones are not compulsory, you can choose to have one or not, and choose to have a registered contract in your name or unregistered pay as you go, You can also choose to turn it on or off for any amount of time you want, and also choose to leave it at home or anywhere else whenever you want.

And shady, unfortunately yes still posting shit.

The prognosis is not good....!

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Says the man who wants to stop police targeting people in stop and search who match the descriptions of reported criminals.....!




If it's my car and my life, It is my choice.



But tight is really about tracking you, movements and sendidg to a big brother dictatorship state.



And mobile phones are not compulsory, you can choose to have one or not, and choose to have a registered contract in your name or unregistered pay as you go, You can also choose to turn it on or off for any amount of time you want, and also choose to leave it at home or anywhere else whenever you want.



And shady, unfortunately yes still posting shit.


The prognosis is not good....!


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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Says the man who wants to stop police targeting people in stop and search who match the descriptions of reported criminals.....!




If it's my car and my life, It is my choice.



But tight is really about tracking you, movements and sendidg to a big brother dictatorship state.



And mobile phones are not compulsory, you can choose to have one or not, and choose to have a registered contract in your name or unregistered pay as you go, You can also choose to turn it on or off for any amount of time you want, and also choose to leave it at home or anywhere else whenever you want.



And shady, unfortunately yes still posting shit.


The prognosis is not good....!


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Yes I think it is wrong for the Police to use skin colour as a means to stop and search and most people with common sense agree on that, though here it would be used to obtain helping recover stolen cars, so that has no comparison what so ever.

So you find saving lives of less importance than a claim, notice that word a claim to something that has not been stated it will happen, now that is absurd if I ever heard anything.

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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:31 pm

Shady wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Says the man who wants to stop police targeting people in stop and search who match the descriptions of reported criminals.....!




If it's my car and my life, It is my choice.



But tight is really about tracking you, movements and sendidg to a big brother dictatorship state.



And mobile phones are not compulsory, you can choose to have one or not, and choose to have a registered contract in your name or unregistered pay as you go, You can also choose to turn it on or off for any amount of time you want, and also choose to leave it at home or anywhere else whenever you want.



And shady, unfortunately yes still posting shit.


The prognosis is not good....!


Laughing


HAR HAR HAR!!

I guessed that mate because he's gone into posting over drive.


I think you need to go to speacsavers sahdy as just received this ha ha


Hello Didge,

You have received a new friendship request from Shady on "NewsFix".


HAR HAR HAR

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:33 pm

Shady wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Says the man who wants to stop police targeting people in stop and search who match the descriptions of reported criminals.....!
If it's my car and my life, It is my choice.
But tight is really about tracking you, movements and sendidg to a big brother dictatorship state.
And mobile phones are not compulsory, you can choose to have one or not, and choose to have a registered contract in your name or unregistered pay as you go, You can also choose to turn it on or off for any amount of time you want, and also choose to leave it at home or anywhere else whenever you want.
And shady, unfortunately yes still posting shit.
The prognosis is not good....!
Laughing
HAR HAR HAR!!
I guessed that mate because he's gone into posting over drive.
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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 6:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:"....It is also expected that the eCall technology platform capabilities (i.e., positioning, processing and communication modules) could be exploited for additional services (e.g., advanced insurances schemes, stolen vehicles tracking etc)...."




Exactly what I was saying.....


I won't be having one in my car and that is my choice.


No, it's not exactly what you were saying. You are saying it tracks your every movement when it doesn't
Yeah, it could eventually be used for insurance and the police and you can bet that the government would back that because you may get your car back quicker and your insurance cost may even go down.

Sorry, Tommy, if you buy a new car after the implementation date then you will be having one in your car. Unless of course Dave can include an opt out under his reforms for the EU Laughing
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Post by Irn Bru Sun May 11, 2014 6:36 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
Sillyness.  No-one would object to airbags - they don't impinge on your privacy do they? And these chips can be bought, if you make the choice.  Try looking that word up in the dictionary: c-h-o-i-c-e.  It doesn't appear to be in the socialist big brother vocabulary, except maybe as an offensive term.

Try reading up on what it does and not on what the Daily Mail tells you.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-547_en.htm

Choice!!! Yes. Can you buy a new car with no airbags in it? Are they compulsory?
D'uhhh - so are wheels!  Do they track your whereabouts or infringe on your privacy?

The Irish government have already signed up to this Tess so maybe it's time to hit the road.  Smile 
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:37 pm

Shady wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Says the man who wants to stop police targeting people in stop and search who match the descriptions of reported criminals.....!
If it's my car and my life, It is my choice.
But tight is really about tracking you, movements and sendidg to a big brother dictatorship state.
And mobile phones are not compulsory, you can choose to have one or not, and choose to have a registered contract in your name or unregistered pay as you go, You can also choose to turn it on or off for any amount of time you want, and also choose to leave it at home or anywhere else whenever you want.
And shady, unfortunately yes still posting shit.
The prognosis is not good....!
Laughing
HAR HAR HAR!!
I guessed that mate because he's gone into posting over drive.
He's made a right mug of himself this weekend, posting leads of rubbish, some of it beneath contempt to Eddie, has managed to piss every single poster off in one way or another, deleted his account in The early hours only to pop up a new this afternoon.
Very strange behaviour, but........... most amusing!
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 6:40 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:"....It is also expected that the eCall technology platform capabilities (i.e., positioning, processing and communication modules) could be exploited for additional services (e.g., advanced insurances schemes, stolen vehicles tracking etc)...."
Exactly what I was saying.....
I won't be having one in my car and that is my choice.
No, it's not exactly what you were saying. You are saying it tracks your every movement when it doesn't
Yeah, it could eventually be used for insurance and the police and you can bet that the government would back that because you may get your car back quicker and your insurance cost may even go down.
Sorry, Tommy, if you buy a new car after the implementation date then you will be having one in your car. Unless of course Dave can include an opt out under his reforms for the EU Laughing




I will not be having it in my car.


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Post by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:46 pm

choice...what choice...does it have an off switch...thats "choice"

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