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The Mail on Sunday has previously revealed that halal meat from animals who had been stunned before slaughter was being sold in schools, hospitals, pubs and at famous sporting venues such as Ascot and Twickenham.
All the beef, chicken and lamb sold to fans at Wembley was secretly prepared in accordance with Islamic law, while Cheltenham College was one of several top public schools which also served halal chicken to pupils without informing them.


Add to the list nandos and KFC.................

I will be asking in the future before I eat the origin of the meat, unknown and I will not be ordering.

Why should we have to put up with this because some can't eat what we eat ?

  LIKE with the Catholic and Orthodox priests performing their annual "Blessing of the Fleets" with local fisherman (who will all be there by tradition, irregardless of their own religious or irreligious leanings), all it needs is semi-regular visits by some approved local Muslim cleric to give that "nod and a prayer" and to post veya's suggested inscription, and the slaughter room is Halal approved prayer wise...


MEANWHILE, on the animal welfare front, Animal welfare groups and Ag'/Primary Industry authorities are both working to educate and train up workers in the stock yards and on the killing floors as to how to treat the animals much, much humanely better..

AND there are Halal-approved means of stunning cattle, sheep, goats and pigs available these days ~ more often it is more a matter of getting "new" technologies past old "traditionalist" operators.   

Samhraí wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Samhraí wrote:

Again, I'm not British, I'm Irish and live in the Republic.

Anyway I seriously need to finish up shit so I'll address the rest of your post later maybe if I remember.

you're still worried that some Magic words will effect them meat.

I don't care about how something symbolic will affect the meat, mate.
They can prepare it whatever way they god damned please so long as what's produced is quality and feeds me.

veya_victaous wrote:
I know your Irish But Ireland is still part of Europe.       

Are you guys anti EU like the UKippers?

Nah we're the most pro-EU country in the EU.
Personally, I'm not fond of the EU because of sovereignty issues although I do acknowledge we get a metric fuck-tonne of funding and other nice things from them.

well seem the Irish have got more brains and foresight than the UK.    Only a United Europe can meet the challenges of the next century

Finish your shit....   

Sassy wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:The left really are have a fist fight in their desperation to defend Muslims and their barbaric sacrificial slaughtering of animals

Dance my little puppets and remember vote UKIP not the fake one

Perhaps Smelly, instead of being pig ignorant, you would like to explain to me in detail, how halal that is prestunned is different to 'our' meat that is prestunned?  In detail, I'm not in the least squeamish.

What THE fuck??

You can't say pig in a thread about halal

Have some respect

Smelly still dreaming of UKIP like he did was the BNP, ha ha ha ha ha

Enjoy the EU elections that is all you will have to celebrate mate.

Nems wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Nems wrote:

I didnt say you had said anything did I?
I did say nasty things had been said to me and I was told they were things you agreed with.
Sorry cant simplify it further
Cheers, Nems xx

Who told you that? Names please.

I'll check back tomorrow for the details.

Cheers
Irn

Sassy
all proof gone with the end of SF

I was on SF so how come I didn't see these posts of mine where I agreed with things said about you?
I have seen many posts by you hurling abuse at me though most of which I have ignored.

harvesmom wrote:

Nems wrote:Has he gone?!
If that was anyone else much squealing like a stuck pig would follow.

Shall I bump your post for you so he can see it tomorrow?

No need HM. I'm quite capable of coming back to discuss ongoing issues without any prompting from you or anyone else.

Irn Bru wrote:

Nems wrote:


Sassy
all proof gone with the end of SF

I was on SF so how come I didn't see these posts of mine where I agreed with things said about you?
I have seen many posts by you hurling abuse at me though most of which I have ignored.

Did I say you had posted nasty things? No I did not.
I said I was told that you agreed with things said to me and about me.

Do you recall I sent you a PM asking why the change in your tone towards me and why the sudden snotty attitude towards me?

Oh give it a rest everyone, for goodness sake, put the past in the past, you are all fab, and these feuds are pointless, it matters not who started it but who keeps it going

Nems wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Nems wrote:


Sassy
all proof gone with the end of SF

I was on SF so how come I didn't see these posts of mine where I agreed with things said about you?
I have seen many posts by you hurling abuse at me though most of which I have ignored.

Did I say you had posted nasty things? No I did not.
I said I was told that you agreed with things said to me and about me.

Do you recall I sent you a PM asking why the change in your tone towards me and why the sudden snotty attitude towards me?

I seem to remember the PM right but attitudes change just as yours had so maybe that is something to reflect on.

Anyway, just to be clear - I didn't say anything nasty about you then?

Irn Bru wrote:

Nems wrote:

Did I say you had posted nasty things? No I did not.
I said I was told that you agreed with things said to me and about me.

Do you recall I sent you a PM asking why the change in your tone towards me and why the sudden snotty attitude towards me?

I seem to remember the PM right but attitudes change just as yours had so maybe that is something to reflect on.

Anyway, just to be clear - I didn't say anything nasty about you then?

Kinell
I dont know Did you?

Anywho.

veya_victaous wrote:

Samhraí wrote:Personally I'd feel a bit weird about everyone having to go out of their way to slaughter all the animals in the name of a foreign God.

yeah so you have a 50 cent inscription somewhere in the slaughter room... done

I don't really care if it's just something like "Hey can we make just some symbolic gesture to bless the place every now and again". But the impression I was getting from everyone screaming about it round here was that there would be a lot more involved and it would be more like "You guys need to change to suit us" which is just fucking obnoxious.

veya_victaous wrote:
Jesus and you wonder why you guys have no economic future.....  

Yeah, the halal issue is definitely the reason for all these recessions. Hit the nail on head there.

veya_victaous wrote:
Your entire attitude is wrong, "lets look for problems not solutions"  

That's a stupid argument that doesn't address the issue at all and only acknowledges than an issue is there.

veya_victaous wrote:
Aussies will dedicate it to any and every god that anyone wants. who gives a fuck? god is no match for cash  

I love capitalism and money as much as the next guy but I'm pretty fucking sure you can agree that money isn't an end to justify the means.
You can't just say "we'd make more money" and expect everyone to change. That attitude leads to a lot of ethical problems as I'm sure you're aware.

veya_victaous wrote:

Samhraí wrote:
I don't care about how something symbolic will affect the meat, mate.
They can prepare it whatever way they god damned please so long as what's produced is quality and feeds me.


Nah we're the most pro-EU country in the EU.
Personally, I'm not fond of the EU because of sovereignty issues although I do acknowledge we get a metric fuck-tonne of funding and other nice things from them.

well seem the Irish have got more brains and foresight than the UK.    Only a United Europe can meet the challenges of the next century

A United Europe would be an economic asset but I don't think it's worth eroding national sovereignty. Europe has a rich and long cultural heritage and making Europe more like a single country would be horrible.

I don't mind the EU as a means of encouraging co-operation and trade/business, I think that's great but what I don't like is countries being governed from the outside.

veya_victaous wrote:
Finish your shit....   

Shit's important.

I still don't get it. Halal just seems t mean that you stun the animal before you kill it and then say a prayer over the animals. Is there something I'm missing? IT really doesn't seem like there's a lot to be mad about. Can someone explain why this is an issue.

jaded fox wrote:I still don't get it. Halal just seems t mean that you stun the animal before you kill it and then say a prayer over the animals. Is there something I'm missing? IT really doesn't seem like there's a lot to be mad about. Can someone explain why this is an issue.

You and me both. Halal used to be done without pre-stunning. Now they have changed it to try and fit in, so that the only difference is the prayer, but that isn't good enough, they want to be different, they want to 'force it down our throats'! This, despite the fact that their religious leaders have asked for it to be labelled and asked for labelling to go on all meat so that people can see how it was killed. And no-one bats and eye about Jewish meat that is not prestunned, has never been prestunned, yet when do you hear it mentioned in the papers etc?

jaded fox wrote:I still don't get it. Halal just seems t mean that you stun the animal before you kill it and then say a prayer over the animals. Is there something I'm missing? IT really doesn't seem like there's a lot to be mad about. Can someone explain why this is an issue.

Well for most people I think it's this:

It's like me, coming to your house, after I'd pretty much invited myself and you go "oh well, yeah, she's ok I'll let her stay for dinner"
And me saying "I won't eat meat the way you're cooking it I want it cooked my way!"

And you having to oblige.
Forever.

That's it in a nutshell.

eddie wrote:

jaded fox wrote:I still don't get it. Halal just seems t mean that you stun the animal before you kill it and then say a prayer over the animals. Is there something I'm missing? IT really doesn't seem like there's a lot to be mad about. Can someone explain why this is an issue.

Well for most people I think it's this:

It's like me, coming to your house, after I'd pretty much invited myself and you go "oh well, yeah, she's ok I'll let her stay for dinner"
And me saying "I won't eat meat the way you're cooking it I want it cooked my way!"

And you having to oblige.
Forever.

That's it in a nutshell.

Actually, it's them that have done the changing by bringing in pre-stunning to conform to OUR ways.

They are not the ones stopping labelling are they?

eddie wrote:

jaded fox wrote:I still don't get it. Halal just seems t mean that you stun the animal before you kill it and then say a prayer over the animals. Is there something I'm missing? IT really doesn't seem like there's a lot to be mad about. Can someone explain why this is an issue.

Well for most people I think it's this:

It's like me, coming to your house, after I'd pretty much invited myself and you go "oh well, yeah, she's ok I'll let her stay for dinner"
And me saying "I won't eat meat the way you're cooking it I want it cooked my way!"

And you having to oblige.
Forever.

That's it in a nutshell.

Do they add something to the meat? Is there a processing difference?

jaded fox wrote:

eddie wrote:

Well for most people I think it's this:

It's like me, coming to your house, after I'd pretty much invited myself and you go "oh well, yeah, she's ok I'll let her stay for dinner"
And me saying "I won't eat meat the way you're cooking it I want it cooked my way!"

And you having to oblige.
Forever.

That's it in a nutshell.

Do they add something to the meat? Is there a processing difference?

No and No

Sassy wrote:

jaded fox wrote:

Do they add something to the meat? Is there a processing difference?

No and No

No, as sassy has said.
But it's about people having a choice and not all halal is pre-stunned and this upsets people who are for animal rights.

eddie wrote:

Sassy wrote:

No and No

No, as sassy has said.
But it's about people having a choice and not all halal is pre-stunned and this upsets people who are for animal rights.

There we go. That's the part I get. Animal rights. Ok. I get part of the problem now. Thank you!

Sorry I thought it was just because of the prayer people were going nuts. The stunning isn't part of the normal process then. I finally get it.

jaded fox wrote:

eddie wrote:

No, as sassy has said.
But it's about people having a choice and not all halal is pre-stunned and this upsets people who are for animal rights.

There we go. That's the part I get. Animal rights. Ok. I get part of the problem now. Thank you!

Sorry I thought it was just because of the prayer people were going nuts. The stunning isn't part of the normal process then. I finally get it.

I think someone put up a link where it says that somehting like 88% of the animals are pre-stunned (may have got that wrong)
But someone else has said that it's far less than that and 88% is not a true figure.

It's a grey area IMO, fox.

Sassy wrote:

jaded fox wrote:I still don't get it. Halal just seems t mean that you stun the animal before you kill it and then say a prayer over the animals. Is there something I'm missing? IT really doesn't seem like there's a lot to be mad about. Can someone explain why this is an issue.

You and me both. Halal used to be done without pre-stunning. Now they have changed it to try and fit in, so that the only difference is the prayer, but that isn't good enough, they want to be different, they want to 'force it down our throats'! This, despite the fact that their religious leaders have asked for it to be labelled and asked for labelling to go on all meat so that people can see how it was killed. And no-one bats and eye about Jewish meat that is not prestunned, has never been prestunned, yet when do you hear it mentioned in the papers etc?

Rubbish.


There are exemptions in law for religious slaughter for those who really want it.


What is hashdmgmg is that most other people are being given it secretly who don't want it.

jaded fox wrote:

eddie wrote:

No, as sassy has said.
But it's about people having a choice and not all halal is pre-stunned and this upsets people who are for animal rights.

There we go. That's the part I get. Animal rights. Ok. I get part of the problem now. Thank you!

Sorry I thought it was just because of the prayer people were going nuts. The stunning isn't part of the normal process then. I finally get it.

The stunning part IS part of the normal process now, and has been for some time.

eddie wrote:

jaded fox wrote:

There we go. That's the part I get. Animal rights. Ok. I get part of the problem now. Thank you!

Sorry I thought it was just because of the prayer people were going nuts. The stunning isn't part of the normal process then. I finally get it.

I think someone put up a link where it says that somehting like 88% of the animals are pre-stunned (may have got that wrong)
But someone else has said that it's far less than that and 88% is not a true figure.

It's a grey area IMO, fox.

It's not grey at all Eddie, those figures were given by the the Food Stands Agency.

As for pushing it down our throats, I remember a time when Roman Catholics had to eat fish on a Friday, so all over the UK in schools, on a Friday, all children were served fish, Roman Catholic or not. There was none of the fuss about 'they are forcing it down our throats' then. And if you think killing fish is nice, you'd be sadly mistaken, they are normally gutted while alive.

Halal is not stunned.


If stunned and NOt alive and licking while dispatched, then not halal.


Some are trying to get round this by giving a light stun that momentarily knocks out the animal but it recovers fully by the time it is killed.


Other rules for halal are also not followed.




I don't want halal, and I don't want an Islamic prayer said over the meat I buy either.



Why is it ok to impose halal onto me against my wishes in my own secular country?

You are talking tripe and all the so called 'facts' you have stated are lies, pure and simple.

stardesk wrote:On the midday news today it was said that all shops must label Halal meat as 'Halal.' And in an interview with a Muslim cafe owner, he admitted that not all animals are stunned before slaughter, as Halal animals should be slaughtered in the traditional manner. Apparently, according to the news, there are moves afoot to make stunning, or more humane methods, legal and compulsory.

Being brought up in the country I've seen animals being slaughtered and believe me folks, they can sense and smell death, which makes them fight against any activity to hold them tight before slaughter. They kick and fight because they fear for their own lives. I'm not being over-melodramatic, but telling you what I've seen for myself.

Of course they kick and fight, they don't like being restrained. Have you never seen the way sheep run amok to avoid being grabbed by the shearer?

Btw, were the animals you have seen slaughtered stunned before they were killed?

Spindleshanks wrote:

stardesk wrote:On the midday news today it was said that all shops must label Halal meat as 'Halal.' And in an interview with a Muslim cafe owner, he admitted that not all animals are stunned before slaughter, as Halal animals should be slaughtered in the traditional manner. Apparently, according to the news, there are moves afoot to make stunning, or more humane methods, legal and compulsory.

Being brought up in the country I've seen animals being slaughtered and believe me folks, they can sense and smell death, which makes them fight against any activity to hold them tight before slaughter. They kick and fight because they fear for their own lives. I'm not being over-melodramatic, but telling you what I've seen for myself.

Of course they kick and fight, they don't like being restrained.  Have you never seen the way sheep run amok to avoid being grabbed by the shearer?

Btw, were the animals you have seen slaughtered stunned before they were killed?

Exactly, and stunning has been part of the halal method in this country for quite some time now. The only meat that is no prestunned for halal is sent to halal butchers so that people know what they are buying when they go in.

Sassy, I know what I'm talking about.


You obviously don't.

Tommy Monk wrote:Sassy, I know what I'm talking about.


You obviously don't.

 ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

Tommy Monk wrote:Sassy, I know what I'm talking about.


You obviously don't.

You really are full of it. On another thread this week you made ludicrous assertions about MPs with NO evidence to back it. Now Sass makes a point; has backed all her points with various articles as evidence; and you discard them with the BS claim of 'I know what I'm talking about'.

In fairness, on evidence, you know nothing about anything   

Have a look at a thread called "is it or isn't it?" On flap in highbrow heaven archive.....
Had a big debate with dodge about this very same topic and the proper halal method was discussed extensively.
Have a read and then tell me that you still think I don't know what I'm talking about.
Anyway....
I don't want halal, and I don't want an Islamic prayer said over the meat I buy either.
Why is it ok to impose halal onto me or anyone else against their wishes in our own secular country?

Hilarious, the one where from the start Matti claimed Halal is not stunned, he then had egg on his face have two Muslims confirm they do stun as a practice to then have he use arguments by other Muslims who are against stunning even though there is no consensus on this and Matti thought he was right, one moment

 ://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/: 


Proving Matti can never accept when he is wrong

If halal is supposed to use stunning, why are there exemptions in law to allow muslems to slaughter animals without to be in accordance with their religious beliefs?



This is also where the term 'reversible stunning' first came up, which is where an animal is lightly stunned and recovers fully when the actual slaughter is carried out.

So not really stunned at all.


And stunning contravenes another rule on halal, as it amounts to unnecessary pain and suffering (believe it or not!)


It is also done in non halal slaughter houses which don't adhere to other requirements.




Read the thread, in The end dodge ran away.

eddie wrote:

jaded fox wrote:

There we go. That's the part I get. Animal rights. Ok. I get part of the problem now. Thank you!

Sorry I thought it was just because of the prayer people were going nuts. The stunning isn't part of the normal process then. I finally get it.

I think someone put up a link where it says that somehting like 88% of the animals are pre-stunned (may have got that wrong)
But someone else has said that it's far less than that and 88% is not a true figure.

It's a grey area IMO, fox.

It is 88% of animals the halal way which is quoted on the RSPCA website.

I was always talking about choice before I was pounced on hence a clear comprehensive labelling policy advocated by the RSPCA.

No religious communities in the 20th century have tried to impose their ways IN THE UK?

Tommy Monk wrote:If halal is supposed to use stunning, why are there exemptions in law to allow muslems to slaughter animals without to be in accordance with their religious beliefs?



This is also where the term 'reversible stunning' first came up, which is where an animal is lightly stunned and recovers fully when the actual slaughter is carried out.

So not really stunned at all.


And stunning contravenes another rule on halal, as it amounts to unnecessary pain and suffering (believe it or not!)


It is also done in non halal slaughter houses which don't adhere to other requirements.




Read the thread, in The end dodge ran away.

Hilarious, all New Zealand lamb is stunned, not all halal that comes to this country is but 85% of imports and slaughter here is stunned, you just looked very embarrassed by your own stupidity of which again it is certified by governing bodies.

I got bored because even Muslims told you they use stunning and as seen you never admit when wrong, I made my case, spanked your arse in the debate as I always do and moved on, because you end up going around in circles, my job is done when you cannot refute my points as you could not on stop and search and countless other debates.

Poor chap

If halal is allowed to use stunning, why are there exemptions in law to allow muslems to slaughter animals without to be in accordance with their religious beliefs?


And are we talking about stunning as in accordance to UK wide understanding so the animal is completely unconscious at time of dispatch?

Or are we talking about reversible stunning where the animal is given a low voltage temporary stun but recovers to be fully conscious and alive and kicking during dispatch as is said they must be in halal rules?



It's all there in The thread. Go have a read and then come back and tell me all about it.....

Tommy Monk wrote:If halal is allowed to use stunning, why are there exemptions in law to allow muslems to slaughter animals without to be in accordance with their religious beliefs?


And are we talking about stunning as in accordance to UK wide understanding so the animal is completely unconscious at time of dispatch?

Or are we talking about reversible stunning where the animal is given a low voltage temporary stun but recovers to be fully conscious and alive and kicking during dispatch as is said they must be in halal rules?



It's all there in The thread. Go have a read and then come back and tell me all about it.....

Because it is simple some Muslim do not agree with stunning, some do, just as within all religions there is different interpretations, why on earth do you think there is different sects within religions, because they do not agree.
Yes it is all there how you look utterly stupid trying to claim Halal is not stunned when as seen it has accreditation for being stunned

Oh my, never seen someone so badly refuse to admit they were wrong

It is not accredited by main halal authority.



That is all there too.....



And.....



I don't want halal, and I don't want an Islamic prayer said over the meat I buy either.

Why is it ok to impose halal onto me or anyone else against their wishes in our own secular country?

And who is the main halal authority?

Who made them the main authority, themselves?

You see you are basing your view on what some Muslims claim, which is comical to say the least.

You do not want many things because you are so ignorant with prejudice discrimination, thankfully most people are decent and get along with people and do not use pathetic hate as a means to deny people equality.

Hey ho, again not going to do endless repeats here, when you are so clueless

How is it equality to have halal forced upon me against my wishes and beliefs in this so called democratic and secular country.




And You still haven't answered, if halal is allowed to use stunning, why are there exemptions in law for religious slaughter without stunning to be done in accordance with muslems religious practices?



And What type of stunning are we talking about?


Proper stun where animal is completely unconscious during dispatch?


Or this low volt reversible stunning where the animal recovers totally and fully conscious and alive and kicking during dispatch in accordance with muslems religious practices?

How is eating meat when you enjoy meat not equality, or do you not like meat?


What part did you not understand about interpretation?

Accommodating religious belies is why, why halal and not kosher?

Have you looked at New Zealand land slaughter?

Because Matti, you stupid idiot, the exemptions were there before they decided to change and go to stunning to fit in with us.   The abattoirs and the stunning is overseen by the Food Standards Authority and proper stun.   BTW, did you know that a large percentage of chickens that are stunned (both the same, dipped into water with an electric current running through it) come to afterwards.   That's in OUR system.

And ALL meat is alive when it's throat is cut, it has to be because the heart still has to be pumping to expel the blood so that the meat doesn't taint. You obviously know fuck all.

Halal Slaughter

This video filmed by GAIA exposes the suffering caused by the Halal method of animal slaughter.

As you can see the animals are not stunned before they are killed. It proves that the
animals endure several minutes of sheer panic and agony before they die.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=545_1345800806#hi5m1Ry5LoVrgRcb.99

Tesstacious wrote:Halal Slaughter

This video filmed by GAIA exposes the suffering caused by the Halal method of animal slaughter.

As you can see the animals are not stunned before they are killed. It proves that the
animals endure several minutes of sheer panic and agony before they die.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=545_1345800806#hi5m1Ry5LoVrgRcb.99

This happens to ALL animals under the kosher method and 15% under halal.

Also, it shows them jerking around which is a nervous system reaction.   After 2-3 seconds they are brain dead and can't feel anything.

Half of every kosher animal is then sold to meat markets, not labelled as kosher, because they don't consider the back half is.

Sassy wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:Halal Slaughter

This video filmed by GAIA exposes the suffering caused by the Halal method of animal slaughter.

As you can see the animals are not stunned before they are killed. It proves that the
animals endure several minutes of sheer panic and agony before they die.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=545_1345800806#hi5m1Ry5LoVrgRcb.99

This happens to ALL animals under the kosher method and 15% under halal.

Also, it shows them jerking around which is a nervous system reaction.   After 2-3 seconds they are brain dead and can't feel anything.

Well that's all right then.

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Sassy, I know what I'm talking about.

You obviously don't.

You really are full of it. On another thread this week you made ludicrous assertions about MPs with NO evidence to back it. Now Sass makes a point; has backed all her points with various articles as evidence; and you discard them with the BS claim of 'I know what I'm talking about'.

In fairness, on evidence, you know nothing about anything   

  

"TOMMY MONK" is a brainless and prematurely senile fool who has apparently never done anything worthwhile nor learnt anything of value in his sadly empty and pathetically meaningless life...

I used to have Baggs' and Smelly' listed as among the most stupid and clueless persons on this forum; but Tommy and Nicko' have achieved the seemingly impossible by easily surpassing those others in the ridiculous and vacuous comments and general lack of knowledge departments..

I NEED to insult these two idiots at the same time, even if either one isn't present yet in the particular thread at the time, simply because together they (Tommy and Nicko) will STILL be struggling to achieve even an average level of intelligence between the two of them.   

Tesstacious wrote:

Sassy wrote:

This happens to ALL animals under the kosher method and 15% under halal.

Also, it shows them jerking around which is a nervous system reaction.   After 2-3 seconds they are brain dead and can't feel anything.

Well that's all right then.

Tess, you don't eat meat, so that means you are not hypocritical about it.   However, most people do, and it doesn't matter how the animal is killed, it's never pleasant and can't be.   The heart has to pump to eject the blood, so the animal is never dead when the throat is slit.   A tiny percentage of halal is not pre-stunned.   Now I happen to think this is a bad thing, because I am absolutely convinced that the fastest, most humane way, however horrible it might look, is halal without prestunning.   I think the pre-stunning distresses the animal even more, and it has been shown that the pain receptors in their brain is still working after it, even though they are unconscious.   With the one cut of halal and kosher the brains receptors cease functioning after 2-3 seconds.

If people don't like the thought of animals dying, they have the choice to be veggies.   If they are going to eat meat, they have got to come to terms with the fact that there is NO nice way to kill an animal for meat, they all have their throats cut while the heart is still pumping, and that has to happen.   And all the whinging and wailing about halal is totally misplaced, because it is pre-stunned and Muslims have adapted to us by doing it.   The jewish faith won't.   And they are the facts, without the hysteria.

Sassy wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

Well that's all right then.

Tess, you don't eat meat, so that means you are not hypocritical about it.   However, most people do, and it doesn't matter how the animal is killed, it's never pleasant and can't be.   The heart has to pump to eject the blood, so the animal is never dead when the throat is slit.   A tiny percentage of halal is not pre-stunned.   Now I happen to think this is a bad thing, because I am absolutely convinced that the fastest, most humane way, however horrible it might look, is halal without prestunning.   I think the pre-stunning distresses the animal even more, and it has been shown that the pain receptors in their brain is still working after it, even though they are unconscious.   With the one cut of halal and kosher the brains receptors cease functioning after 2-3 seconds.

If people don't like the thought of animals dying, they have the choice to be veggies.   If they are going to eat meat, they have got to come to terms with the fact that there is NO nice way to kill an animal for meat, they all have their throats cut while the heart is still pumping, and that has to happen.   And all the whinging and wailing about halal is totally misplaced, because it is pre-stunned and Muslims have adapted to us by doing it.   The jewish faith won't.   And they are the facts, without the hysteria.

Excellent post!   

Thank you Les.