Nigel Farage has bottled his by-election chance, and Ukip is over

After Nigel Farage blew up his rocket on the launch pad at 8.05 this morning, today’s Prime Minister’s Questions became more important and less interesting.
But first let us pay our respects to the late UK Independence Party. It had a good run. There is a bit of fun still to be had. Today we have already had two opinion polls suggesting that it is going to win the largest share of votes in the European Parliament elections on 22 May by some margin. Ukip is nine or 11 points ahead with three weeks still to go, which has the makings of a landslide.

It may seem perverse to suggest, therefore, that the party is over. But I suggest that this is precisely what it is. Done with, finished, a footnote.

By failing to seize the party’s one chance to win a by-election, Farage has blown it. Not that “it” was ever a very good chance. Farage bottled the Newark by-election because he didn’t think he would win it. And if he couldn’t win it, there is no one else in Ukip who could. The best chance of achieving the “breakthrough” that is the holy grail for protest parties, which in this case would mean a handful of MPs at the next general election, would have been to establish the credibility of a bridgehead in the House of Commons before the general election.

I think we can now take it that Ukip will win one MP at the next election at most. That one MP might be Farage, standing in a Kent seat such as Folkestone, where he has connections, members and organisation. He would then be the Caroline Lucas of the next parliament and Ukip would fade away, apart from its large numbers of troublesome MEPs in the European Parliament.

The thing is that Ukip faces a challenge to its reason for existing after the next general election, whatever the result. If Cameron wins, he is committed to a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2017, after which Ukip would have little purpose. If Ed Miliband wins, the Conservative Party in opposition is likely to become several degrees more Eurosceptic. Boris Johnson only this week restated his view that, if Cameron could not secure better terms of EU membership, he would vote to leave. Again, the need for a separate anti-EU party will be greatly diminished. And if the Liberal Democrats, through some tragic accident of the arithmetic, should find themselves out of government, there would not even be the need for a separate protest party any more.

So that is it, I think. There will be a lot of fizz, smoke and carousel music, but in three weeks’ time the Great Ukip Flying Circus will be in decline. Big social trends are against it. The economy is looking up, and people mind less about free movement of workers when they feel better off. Scepticism about the EU has ebbed. YouGov now consistently finds that, even if there were a referendum now on existing terms of membership, people would vote to stay in.

Which left us with Prime Minister’s Questions. Back to politics as usual. The Ukip-free House of Commons debated the sale of the Royal Mail. Miliband complained about “a rip-off of taxpayers”. Cameron responded with a history lesson, quoting Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock on 1980s privatisations.

Miliband had a good argument and an effective debating point, quoting Brian Binley, the Tory chairman of the Business select committee, who had described the way the sell-off was managed as “unethical” and who was nodding in agreement on the back-benches behind Cameron’s blind spot.

Cameron had a reasonable argument - Labour had tried to sell the Royal Mail and this government had succeeded - and an effective diversionary tactic, pointing out that Miliband dared not mention the economy, jobs or the deficit, because they were all coming good.

The Prime Minister could not say what he really thought, which was that Vince Cable might have been taken for a fast one by some of those spivs in the City, but that the risks of failing to unload the shares onto the market were worse than those of seeing them snapped up and a rise in price, showing an instant profit.

But those are the sort of calculations that government politics are all about, the sort of thing that Ukip would like to wish away. Returning to real politics will be duller, but more important.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/nigel-farage-has-bottled-his-byelection-chance-and-ukip-is-over-9308526.html


Interesting to see someone saying as I have been saying.


So enjoy the EU election wins, it will be the only point UKIP supporters have to look forward to.

Wishful thinking from the lefties! Say it long enough and loud enough and they'll convince thelselves it's true. Say it to the hundreds of thousands of people who vote for them and listen to the sounds of laughter.

Now, if that's what the MPs say it will wind the electorate up so much!

Instead, what they need to do is act upon the worries of the electorate and take appropriate measures - something they should have done when Nick Griffin warned them what was going on 10 to 15 years ago.

BigAndy9 wrote:Now, if that's what the MPs say it will wind the electorate up so much!

Instead, what they need to do is act upon the worries of the electorate and take appropriate measures - something they should have done when Nick Griffin warned them what was going on 10 to 15 years ago.

Andy, the EU elections are different to a general election, you will see this next year, when UKIP will win no more than 4 seats and that is being generous. When it comes to general elections immigration has been talked about on many of them and always people vote on the economy. If it was down to immigration and the EU, the BNP would have made substantial gains into Parliament and they never have
This shows you more than anything UKIP lack the credentials and as seen here, what ever the outcome of the general election, UKIP will lose ground fast

Oh dodge, you poor sad deluded twat!



UKIP are going to storm it this monti, and that is just for starters, with 30-40% of the vote (and increasing), they stand to do very well in the gen elec next year too!



I predict seats, and lots of them!


The tide has turned dodge, and neither you or anybody else can stop it!!!!

Didge wrote:After Nigel Farage blew up his rocket on the launch pad at 8.05 this morning, today’s Prime Minister’s Questions became more important and less interesting.
But first let us pay our respects to the late UK Independence Party. It had a good run. There is a bit of fun still to be had. Today we have already had two opinion polls suggesting that it is going to win the largest share of votes in the European Parliament elections on 22 May by some margin. Ukip is nine or 11 points ahead with three weeks still to go, which has the makings of a landslide.

It may seem perverse to suggest, therefore, that the party is over. But I suggest that this is precisely what it is. Done with, finished, a footnote.

By failing to seize the party’s one chance to win a by-election, Farage has blown it. Not that “it” was ever a very good chance. Farage bottled the Newark by-election because he didn’t think he would win it. And if he couldn’t win it, there is no one else in Ukip who could. The best chance of achieving the “breakthrough” that is the holy grail for protest parties, which in this case would mean a handful of MPs at the next general election, would have been to establish the credibility of a bridgehead in the House of Commons before the general election.

I think we can now take it that Ukip will win one MP at the next election at most. That one MP might be Farage, standing in a Kent seat such as Folkestone, where he has connections, members and organisation. He would then be the Caroline Lucas of the next parliament and Ukip would fade away, apart from its large numbers of troublesome MEPs in the European Parliament.

The thing is that Ukip faces a challenge to its reason for existing after the next general election, whatever the result. If Cameron wins, he is committed to a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2017, after which Ukip would have little purpose. If Ed Miliband wins, the Conservative Party in opposition is likely to become several degrees more Eurosceptic. Boris Johnson only this week restated his view that, if Cameron could not secure better terms of EU membership, he would vote to leave. Again, the need for a separate anti-EU party will be greatly diminished. And if the Liberal Democrats, through some tragic accident of the arithmetic, should find themselves out of government, there would not even be the need for a separate protest party any more.

So that is it, I think. There will be a lot of fizz, smoke and carousel music, but in three weeks’ time the Great Ukip Flying Circus will be in decline. Big social trends are against it. The economy is looking up, and people mind less about free movement of workers when they feel better off. Scepticism about the EU has ebbed. YouGov now consistently finds that, even if there were a referendum now on existing terms of membership, people would vote to stay in.

Which left us with Prime Minister’s Questions. Back to politics as usual. The Ukip-free House of Commons debated the sale of the Royal Mail. Miliband complained about “a rip-off of taxpayers”. Cameron responded with a history lesson, quoting Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock on 1980s privatisations.

Miliband had a good argument and an effective debating point, quoting Brian Binley, the Tory chairman of the Business select committee, who had described the way the sell-off was managed as “unethical” and who was nodding in agreement on the back-benches behind Cameron’s blind spot.

Cameron had a reasonable argument - Labour had tried to sell the Royal Mail and this government had succeeded - and an effective diversionary tactic, pointing out that Miliband dared not mention the economy, jobs or the deficit, because they were all coming good.

The Prime Minister could not say what he really thought, which was that Vince Cable might have been taken for a fast one by some of those spivs in the City, but that the risks of failing to unload the shares onto the market were worse than those of seeing them snapped up and a rise in price, showing an instant profit.

But those are the sort of calculations that government politics are all about, the sort of thing that Ukip would like to wish away. Returning to real politics will be duller, but more important.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/nigel-farage-has-bottled-his-byelection-chance-and-ukip-is-over-9308526.html


Interesting to see someone saying as I have been saying.


So enjoy the EU election wins, it will be the only point UKIP supporters have to look forward to.

He bottled it? What a wanker, and a coward to boot.

I think the whole of the EU structure will change.

We are not alone in Europe having UKIP. France, Germany, Greece to name but three are having similar discussions.

That's being a bit harsh, Sassy. Let's wait and see what happens. I'm sure they will do exceptionally well, enough to give Cameron a headache.

He didn't bottle anything, an unexpected by election has come up,, he's not standing there.


Non story.

It is a very excellent point, UKIP have no viable policies, hence it is easy to see appeal over the EU elections and nobody it seems can actually take on board the points and counter them.

Here's dodge again with the bullshit!



UKIP have policies and they are all viable!

Another poor counter from Tommy, unable to counter the points just states he thinks I am wrong and never explains or can counter that I am wrong


PMSL

You bellend, you claimed UKIP have no viable policies, that is a complete lie!




Next!

Tommy Monk wrote:You bellend, you claimed UKIP have no viable policies, that is a complete lie!




Next!

They don;t, they all hinge on leaving the EU and yet have no viable policies on what to do if we do.

So no lie, it is a fact, they even get their numbers wrong on what they think they will save from leaving

So the political class and their followers still do not get it.

According to the theories they have been taught in their political science lessons and by their spin doctors when Farage stands up and says he wont stand because he is unfamiliar with the area and concentrating on the Euro elections he is bottling it and this will kill the party.
They remain blissfully ignorant as always of the reality among ordinary people and voters and fail to even notice that Farages stance has increase support for UKIP yet alone understand why that is happening.
It was the same with the posters - the political class throw up their hands in horror and yell racism, they point out where UKIP has done the same thing their parties do with actors under the impression it is something ordinary people would object to. The reality was that UKIP membership and support went up.

As for UKIPs chances of an MP in this by election - who says they are gone? Does no one realize that UKIP may have a local candidate who does know the area and understand in a way Mr Farage is clever enough to know he does not - and who is say that such a candidate will not win?

sphinx wrote:So the political class and their followers still do not get it.

According to the theories they have been taught in their political science lessons and by their spin doctors when Farage stands up and says he wont stand because he is unfamiliar with the area and concentrating on the Euro elections he is bottling it and this will kill the party.
They remain blissfully ignorant as always of the reality among ordinary people and voters and fail to even notice that Farages stance has increase support for UKIP yet alone understand why that is happening.
It was the same with the posters - the political class throw up their hands in horror and yell racism, they point out where UKIP has done the same thing their parties do with actors under the impression it is something ordinary people would object to.  The reality was that UKIP membership and support went up.

As for UKIPs chances of an MP in this by election - who says they are gone?  Does no one realize that UKIP may have a local candidate who does know the area and understand in a way Mr Farage is clever enough to know he does not - and who is say that such a candidate will not win?

They are very much reduced compared to a person well know to the public Sphinx, that is basic common sense
The reality is based on outcomes of the general election where there is no chance UKIP will win, will make UKIP fade from existence, because as seen then the Tories will become more anti EU, and the support that UKIP had gained will go back to the Tories.

Oh right you are still conning yourself UKIP support comes from the Tories

sphinx wrote:Oh right you are still conning yourself UKIP support comes from the Tories

I am not conned at all, most comes from the White working class, well the recent surge has come that way of late, but also stats show a third of Tories would have voted for Nigel if he would have stood, what more evidence do you need Sphinx?

sphinx wrote:So the political class and their followers still do not get it.

According to the theories they have been taught in their political science lessons and by their spin doctors when Farage stands up and says he wont stand because he is unfamiliar with the area and concentrating on the Euro elections he is bottling it and this will kill the party.
They remain blissfully ignorant as always of the reality among ordinary people and voters and fail to even notice that Farages stance has increase support for UKIP yet alone understand why that is happening.
It was the same with the posters - the political class throw up their hands in horror and yell racism, they point out where UKIP has done the same thing their parties do with actors under the impression it is something ordinary people would object to.  The reality was that UKIP membership and support went up.

As for UKIPs chances of an MP in this by election - who says they are gone?  Does no one realize that UKIP may have a local candidate who does know the area and understand in a way Mr Farage is clever enough to know he does not - and who is say that such a candidate will not win?

Good afternoon Sphinx.

I may have read it in the Telegraph or The Spectator,but there are political commentators who say that UKIP may gain up to 6 MPs following next years GE.

Whatever they do & however succesful they are,they have forced the LibLabCon failures to at least pay lip service to the immigration problem as well as the EU fiasco.

UKIP have become a beacon light when it comes to attracting attention to real issues that matter to UK society & not just the Metropolitan elite.

And anybody with any common sense can se that UKIP are not a bunch of racists led by old white men & it's brilliant to see LibLabCon supporters virtually messing themselves whilst running around like headless/brainless chickens screaming racists.

And the more they scream racist,the more people will vote for UKIP.

PMSL.

It might help if people actually read UKIP policies.

UKIP is calling for a points base controlled immigration open to the world - this would see MORE immigrants from the likes of Africa, South American, and Asia while reducing massively those from the EU.

UKIP is only party looking to increase immigration from non white areas of the world.

Not racist EUist (an no I dont mean euroist either - UKIP has no problem with Europe or European countries just the bureaucratic monster that is the EU)

sphinx wrote:Oh right you are still conning yourself UKIP support comes from the Tories

And we now know that UKIP are tearing into the Labour party & Labour voters are turning to UKIP.

I would imagine at the rate that UKIP support is increasing,they will probably win the GE after the one next year.And in the meantime,the Tories will destroy themselves with their poor judgement over issues like the EU & immigration.

As a PM,Cameron is a dead man walking.

The British people don't want EU, and have had enough of the lying lib lab cons who have been collectively selling us out for decades.
The tide has turned, and we all know you can't stop the tide from coming in and washing away sand castles.....!

sphinx wrote:PMSL.

It might help if people actually read UKIP policies.

UKIP is calling for a points base controlled immigration open to the world - this would see MORE immigrants from the likes of Africa, South American, and Asia while reducing massively those from the EU.

UKIP is only party looking to increase immigration from non white areas of the world.  

Not racist EUist (an no I dont mean euroist either - UKIP has no problem with Europe or European countries just the bureaucratic monster that is the EU)

Yes we read the views of the UKIP party itself like come January the 1st 26 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come to Britain, that number was wrong on the populations and how many who have come, it proves very much its policiy is scare tactics, to the new one where 26 million unemployed in the EU are going to come here, blimey where are they Sphinx?
You see it is easy to put things down on Policies, but what they say and do in practice is another thing all together and as seen UKIP lie and spread false fears, their latest campaign psoters are lies promoting fear yet again, so the article was bang on the money, sadly you have been indoctrinated with babble and have bought it.

So they have no problem with Europeans but Nigel claimed Romanians were criminals and to fear them?

Please, some of us do not buy bullshit Sphinx

Tommy Monk wrote:The British people don't want EU, and have had enough of the lying lib lab cons who have been collectively selling us out for decades.
The tide has turned, and we all know you can't stop the tide from coming in and washing away sand castles.....!

How long ahs the EU been going for?...40 years is it or there abouts? Where's the financial & social utopia that we've been promised.

Why has it virtually collapsed if it is so good?

Why are many European countries already reprinting their old currencies? It's because they know the EU as we know is finished & the weight of public opinion throughout Europe is against it.

Collapsed? seems Britain is going stronger than ever and the EU is also recovering, so no idea what shady is talking about, our trade and recovery has come off the back of being in the EU

Still Tommy no matter what they do or say.People from all classes,genders & age are turning to UKIP as they know the other parties are identical drones with the same old crap to say.

Out with the old & in with the new.

Didge wrote:

sphinx wrote:PMSL.

It might help if people actually read UKIP policies.

UKIP is calling for a points base controlled immigration open to the world - this would see MORE immigrants from the likes of Africa, South American, and Asia while reducing massively those from the EU.

UKIP is only party looking to increase immigration from non white areas of the world.  

Not racist EUist (an no I dont mean euroist either - UKIP has no problem with Europe or European countries just the bureaucratic monster that is the EU)

Yes we read the views of the UKIP party itself like come January the 1st 26 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come to Britain, that number was wrong on the populations and how many who have come, it proves very much its policiy is scare tactics, to the new one where 26 million unemployed in the EU are going to come here, blimey where are they Sphinx?
You see it is easy to put things down on Policies, but what they say and do in practice is another thing all together and as seen UKIP lie and spread false fears, their latest campaign psoters are lies promoting fear yet again, so the article was bang on the money, sadly you have been indoctrinated with babble and have bought it.

So they have no problem with Europeans but Nigel claimed Romanians were criminals and to fear them?

Please, some of us do not buy bullshit Sphinx

Didge you might get further if you tried actually reading what UKIP are putting rather that reading what other parties think UKIP is putting.

As a political party,I gues that the only hope the Tories have got of any kind of credible victory will be if they oust Cameron for B Johnson.....Who is a bumbling idiot.

But that bumbling idiot cooked his goose regarding his PM prospects when he declared his support for the EU & more immigrants coming into the UK.....And he said all of that while the UKIP poll ratings were surging ahead.

That kind of dumb statement just goes to show that Johnson has no common sense...which we all knew anyway.

sphinx wrote:

Didge wrote:



Yes we read the views of the UKIP party itself like come January the 1st 26 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come to Britain, that number was wrong on the populations and how many who have come, it proves very much its policiy is scare tactics, to the new one where 26 million unemployed in the EU are going to come here, blimey where are they Sphinx?
You see it is easy to put things down on Policies, but what they say and do in practice is another thing all together and as seen UKIP lie and spread false fears, their latest campaign psoters are lies promoting fear yet again, so the article was bang on the money, sadly you have been indoctrinated with babble and have bought it.

So they have no problem with Europeans but Nigel claimed Romanians were criminals and to fear them?

Please, some of us do not buy bullshit Sphinx

Didge you might get further if you tried actually reading what UKIP are putting rather that reading what other parties think UKIP is putting.

I read very well what they say and do Sphinx, and as seen you are never able to counter what I posted on this.
UKIP are as stated a joke party with no viable policies, that places all its eggs in one basket

Didge wrote:Collapsed? seems Britain is going stronger than ever and the EU is also recovering, so no idea what shady is talking about, our trade and recovery has come off the back of being in the EU

Yes Britain is recovering - it has been far stronger and for far longer than the rest of the EU, but not as fast and as well as the rest of the common wealth or other non EU countries. Then again Britain did not join the Euro - because otherwise our recovery would be as slow and weak as the rest of the EU.

Didge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Didge you might get further if you tried actually reading what UKIP are putting rather that reading what other parties think UKIP is putting.

I read very well what they say and do Sphinx, and as seen you are never able to counter what I posted on this.
UKIP are as stated a joke party with no viable policies, that places all its eggs in one basket

Oh I counter didge - as shown by others learning. On the other hand you just stick your fingers in your ears and chant nah nah nah nah whenever presented with facts proving you are wrong (like the in depth financial policy document release recently).

sphinx wrote:

Didge wrote:


I read very well what they say and do Sphinx, and as seen you are never able to counter what I posted on this.
UKIP are as stated a joke party with no viable policies, that places all its eggs in one basket

Oh I counter didge - as shown by others learning.  On the other hand you just stick your fingers in your ears and chant nah nah nah nah whenever presented with facts proving you are wrong (like the in depth financial policy document release recently).

No I actually research UKIP and as seen you cannot counter my points and instead do the time old fashioned response to instead talk about me

Game over

sphinx wrote:

Didge wrote:Collapsed? seems Britain is going stronger than ever and the EU is also recovering, so no idea what shady is talking about, our trade and recovery has come off the back of being in the EU

Yes Britain is recovering - it has been far stronger and for far longer than the rest of the EU, but not as fast and as well as the rest of the common wealth or other non EU countries.  Then again Britain did not join the Euro - because otherwise our recovery would be as slow and weak as the rest of the EU.

Yes because Britain has taken strong measures to ensure recovery, one being taking difficult choices like on benefits etc.
I do not want us to join the Euro and never have, but again your view or the fact you actually have no viable plans let alone the maths is shockingly poor on what UKIP things they will save from leaving leaves so much to be desired

  ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

I see the forum prophet didge is boring everyone with his predictions again

smelly_bandit wrote:I see the forum prophet didge is boring everyone with his predictions again

Boring everyone?

Really, anyway it bores you so much you always reply, showing a complete contradiction again which does not counter my points.

Hey ho

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:I see the forum prophet didge is boring everyone with his predictions again

Boring everyone?

Really, anyway it bores you so much you always reply, showing a complete contradiction again which does not counter my points.

Hey ho

Hey didge what's the euro millions number for tomorrow?

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Boring everyone?

Really, anyway it bores you so much you always reply, showing a complete contradiction again which does not counter my points.

Hey ho

Hey didge what's the euro millions number for tomorrow?

11, 16, 21, 40, 41.

Bonus 03, 05

I'm gonna put those down didge

If I win I won't give you a fucking cent

But I will donate to the BNP the EDL and UKIP

And I'll make sure the donation comes form "Phil didge"

smelly_bandit wrote:I'm gonna put those down didge

If I win I won't give you a fucking cent

But I will donate to the BNP the EDL and UKIP

And I'll make sure the donation comes form "Phil didge"

Good for you mate, I doubt you will win mind ha ha

I'm so glad that I've got the poor bastard back on ignore again.

[quote="Catman"]


  ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: [/quote



the moment of special amusement comes at around 01:10

Tommy Monk wrote:Oh dodge, you poor sad deluded twat!



UKIP are going to storm it this monti, and that is just for starters, with 30-40% of the vote (and increasing), they stand to do very well in the gen elec next year too!



I predict seats, and lots of them!


The tide has turned dodge, and neither you or anybody else can stop it!!!!

Wow, feel like I just stepped out of a time machine into 2009     

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Oh dodge, you poor sad deluded twat!



UKIP are going to storm it this monti, and that is just for starters, with 30-40% of the vote (and increasing), they stand to do very well in the gen elec next year too!



I predict seats, and lots of them!


The tide has turned dodge, and neither you or anybody else can stop it!!!!

Wow, feel like I just stepped out of a time machine into 2009     

Indeed buddy, well people do lead themselves up for a big fall.

 

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Oh dodge, you poor sad deluded twat!



UKIP are going to storm it this monti, and that is just for starters, with 30-40% of the vote (and increasing), they stand to do very well in the gen elec next year too!



I predict seats, and lots of them!


The tide has turned dodge, and neither you or anybody else can stop it!!!!

Wow, feel like I just stepped out of a time machine into 2009     

then you obviously dont understand what is happening

the BNP were a tainted brand and yet people would still vote for them in secret

UKIP are loud and proud out of the closet and advertising like ten men, ive seen "im voting UKIP" posters in peoples windows

this is nothing like 2009 because ukip are not the bnp

what is similar though is the palpable fear coming off the left in tidal waves

smelly_bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Wow, feel like I just stepped out of a time machine into 2009     

then you obviously dont understand what is happening

the BNP were a tainted brand and yet people would still vote for them in secret

UKIP are loud and proud out of the closet and advertising like ten men, ive seen "im voting UKIP" posters in peoples windows

this is nothing like 2009 because ukip are not the bnp

what is similar though is the palpable fear coming off the left in tidal waves

Yep heard the same babble then about the BNP when you were shouting from the roof tops how they would win countless seats and guess what, it never happened

We all remember.

UKIP when as seen when it comes to a general election and our economy is growing again and now unemployment is dropping rapidly, and the fact UKIP has no viable policies and hinges all of them on one thing the EU will as always make people vote for what matters to them most, the economy, as it always happens. People may piss and moan about immigration, they did last election and yet people always vote in regards to money. UKIP cannot even do its maths right on what it thinks it will save leaving the EU, let alone what they think we pay for the EU, a very worrying view.


Read this, it makes Sphinx's article she posted look silly:


The Great British trade-off: The impact of leaving the EU on the UK's trade and investment - See more at: http://www.cer.org.uk/publications/archive/policy-brief/2014/great-british-trade-impact-leaving-eu-uks-trade-and-investmen#sthash.fCZ0kMxM.dpuf

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

then you obviously dont understand what is happening

the BNP were a tainted brand and yet people would still vote for them in secret

UKIP are loud and proud out of the closet and advertising like ten men, ive seen "im voting UKIP" posters in peoples windows

this is nothing like 2009 because ukip are not the bnp

what is similar though is the palpable fear coming off the left in tidal waves

Yep heard the same babble then about the BNP when you were shouting from the roof tops how they would win countless seats and guess what, it never happened

We all remember.

UKIP when as seen when it comes to a general election and our economy is growing again and now unemployment is dropping rapidly, and the fact UKIP has no viable policies and hinges all of them on one thing the EU will as always make people vote for what matters to them most, the economy, as it always happens. People may piss and moan about immigration, they did last election and yet people always vote in regards to money. UKIP cannot even do its maths right on what it thinks it will save leaving the EU, let alone what they think we pay for the EU, a very worrying view.


Read this, it makes Sphinx's article she posted look silly:


The Great British trade-off: The impact of leaving the EU on the UK's trade and investment - See more at: http://www.cer.org.uk/publications/archive/policy-brief/2014/great-british-trade-impact-leaving-eu-uks-trade-and-investmen#sthash.fCZ0kMxM.dpuf

thats the point you didn't

there was a lot of hype around the BNP last election, the hype was itself created by the media who were directed by the liblabcon to destroy the BNP

most if not all of the enthusiasm was based on hope that there might be an alternative to being saddled with the one party state we are currently tied into

the reality is that the BNP never really stood a chance due to its history

UKIP are different, they are a new party and they don't have the taint of the BNP, and they have done well in the past and are on the rise,if you disagree then feel free to do so

the rest of the country is becoming aware of who UKIP are and they aren't seeing a bad thing

spare us your forum predictions didge

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yep heard the same babble then about the BNP when you were shouting from the roof tops how they would win countless seats and guess what, it never happened

We all remember.

UKIP when as seen when it comes to a general election and our economy is growing again and now unemployment is dropping rapidly, and the fact UKIP has no viable policies and hinges all of them on one thing the EU will as always make people vote for what matters to them most, the economy, as it always happens. People may piss and moan about immigration, they did last election and yet people always vote in regards to money. UKIP cannot even do its maths right on what it thinks it will save leaving the EU, let alone what they think we pay for the EU, a very worrying view.


Read this, it makes Sphinx's article she posted look silly:


The Great British trade-off: The impact of leaving the EU on the UK's trade and investment - See more at: http://www.cer.org.uk/publications/archive/policy-brief/2014/great-british-trade-impact-leaving-eu-uks-trade-and-investmen#sthash.fCZ0kMxM.dpuf

thats the point you didn't

there was a lot of hype around the BNP last election, the hype was itself created by the media who were directed by the liblabcon to destroy the BNP

most if not all of the enthusiasm was based on hope that there might be an alternative to being saddled with the one party state we are currently tied into    

the reality is that the BNP never really stood a chance due to its history

UKIP are different, they are a new party and they don't have the taint of the BNP, and they have done well in the past and are on the rise,if you disagree then feel free to do so

the rest of the country is becoming aware of who UKIP are and they aren't seeing a bad thing

spare us your forum predictions didge

The reality is you say that now, but back then you really believed they did, we all remember smelly, you and others shouting from the roof tops to then crawl away embarrassed afterwards.

I told you what happens in General elections, and people always turn to money/economy over everything else when it comes to the crunch and in time you will see this and the electorate even more when UKIP manifesto is released later on. Looking good and speaking well does not win an election on its on, you need viable policies, and UKIP has little

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

thats the point you didn't

there was a lot of hype around the BNP last election, the hype was itself created by the media who were directed by the liblabcon to destroy the BNP

most if not all of the enthusiasm was based on hope that there might be an alternative to being saddled with the one party state we are currently tied into    

the reality is that the BNP never really stood a chance due to its history

UKIP are different, they are a new party and they don't have the taint of the BNP, and they have done well in the past and are on the rise,if you disagree then feel free to do so

the rest of the country is becoming aware of who UKIP are and they aren't seeing a bad thing

spare us your forum predictions didge

The reality is you say that now, but back then you really believed they did, we all remember smelly, you and others shouting from the roof tops to then crawl away embarrassed afterwards.

I told you what happens in General elections, and people always turn to money/economy over everything else when it comes to the crunch and in time you will see this and the electorate even more when UKIP manifesto is released later on. Looking good and speaking well does not win an election on its on, you need viable policies, and UKIP has little

yes didge you are well known for "remembering things" that no one else does ::D:: 

you can argue whatever you want, what you cannot argue against however is that the UKIP are making a name for themselves, whether this turns into votes or not remains to be seen

put it this way

if you really didn't care and weren't that bothered then you wouldn't be so active in promoting negative stories about them