Ukip must be treated as a major party and given more airtime in run-up to Euro elections, Ofcom orders TV channels

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Keith just stop being so silly, crime has fallen to claim otherwise is absurd and no I do not want you to leave but debate with sense

Thank you

But the police and those who produce statistics have said the figures can't be trusted didge.

BigAndy9 wrote:UK Statistics Authority  (January this year):

http://bbb-news.com/blog/2014/01/15/we-cant-trust-crime-figures-massive-blow-for-the-coalition-as-watchdog-say-police-statistics-are-unreliable/


I could get a news article from most of the past 10 years where it is proven that crime statistics are wrong.

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

No they dont.

They say that those who are here legally stay here - the only ones they want out are the illegals.

How can a person with free movement from an EU country be here illegally?

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


How can a person with free movement from an EU country be here illegally?

Sorry being UKIP I dont separate immigrants into groups according to country of origin.

However on a technicality any asylum seeker who came here from France is from an EU country and here illegally.

UKIPs policy is points based work permits with application to become permanent resident after a certain amount of time which will vary according to the progress made in getting the borders sorted and clearing those who are here illegally.

UKIP freely recognizes that many people who are here due to free movement within the EU do not and never did have any desire to remain here permanently - the fact that a large number would freely choose to leave an independent UK is used by some to "prove" that UKIP would kick people out - something that has never been policy for those legally here.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:UK Statistics Authority  (January this year):

http://bbb-news.com/blog/2014/01/15/we-cant-trust-crime-figures-massive-blow-for-the-coalition-as-watchdog-say-police-statistics-are-unreliable/


I could get a news article from most of the past 10 years where it is proven that crime statistics are wrong.

Really, I do not think so, crime has fallen, even living daily can see that is has done so, if you want to believe in gobbledygook


See you later Andy

Tess. wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Really, I do not think so, crime has fallen, even living daily can see that is has done so, if you want to believe in gobbledygook


See you later Andy

The BBC quoting statistics - gobbledygook?  I don't think so!

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Sorry being UKIP I dont separate immigrants into groups according to country of origin.

However on a technicality any asylum seeker who came here from France is from an EU country and here illegally.

UKIPs policy is points based work permits with application to become permanent resident after a certain amount of time which will vary according to the progress made in getting the borders sorted and clearing those who are here illegally.

UKIP freely recognizes that many people who are here due to free movement within the EU do not and never did have any desire to remain here permanently - the fact that a large number would freely choose to leave an independent UK is used by some to "prove" that UKIP would kick people out - something that has never been policy for those legally here.

Hilarious, so now it is assylum seekers, not people being sent back from the EU, sorry you just make it up as you go along and you really have been suckered in with their babble, and you once had sense, shame really.

So now you admit you think you know how actually wants to stay here is not a choice people will have because UKIP thinks they know who wants to stay here and will there be holding camps for these people by any chance. So we can go to any EU nation to move for life but for anyone coming here it is not the same and you think this will not place over 2 million ex pats in the EU in danger of losing their right to live there, utterly daft  
You seriously have lost the plot

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Hilarious, so now it is assylum seekers, not people being sent back from the EU, sorry you just make it up as you go along and you really have been suckered in with their babble, and you once had sense, shame really.

So now you admit you think you know how actually wants to stay here is not a choice people will have because UKIP thinks they know who wants to stay here and will there be holding camps for these people by any chance. So we can go to any EU nation to move for life but for anyone coming here it is not the same and you think this will not place over 2 million ex pats in the EU in danger of losing their right to live there, utterly daft  
You seriously have lost the plot

Dont like your prejudice pointed out do you?
Really, what prejudice, don;t make me laugh, you could not bother me if you finally decided to engage your brain for once

You asked how someone who had come from and EU country could be illegal - I told tyou.
No you gave me alot of porkies

You want to make out that there is a difference between people from the EU and people from the rest of the world.
There is a difference at present, over 2 million Brits get to live within the EU with no restrictions, are you claiming otherwise?
DOH


The policy is clear - those who want to stay here will do so - if they want it to be temporary they will do so by work permit, those who wish to be permanent apply for permanent residence.
What about Brits living abroad in the EU as a repercussion of this new law, what will happen to them, or have you not even bothered to think about repercussions, or does your own selfish needs come before others?

It will be similar to those horrible racist systems used by Canada Australia New Zealand etc.

If you have a problem with that fine.

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Dont like your prejudice pointed out do you?
Really, what prejudice, don;t make me laugh, you could not bother me if you finally decided to engage your brain for once

You asked how someone who had come from and EU country could be illegal - I told tyou.
No you gave me alot of porkies

You want to make out that there is a difference between people from the EU and people from the rest of the world.
There is a difference at present, over 2 million Brits get to live within the EU with no restrictions, are you claiming otherwise?
DOH


The policy is clear - those who want to stay here will do so - if they want it to be temporary they will do so by work permit, those who wish to be permanent apply for permanent residence.
What about Brits living abroad in the EU as a repercussion of this new law, what will happen to them, or have you not even bothered to think about repercussions, or does your own selfish needs come before others?

It will be similar to those horrible racist systems used by Canada Australia New Zealand etc.

If you have a problem with that fine.

Yes I have a problem that you are not concerned if there could be consequences to many Brits already living abroad, because you are utterly not concerned what may happen to them and all could be kicked out just to appease Ukippers throwing their dummies out over who can come and live in the country And if worse comes to worse, how will you accommodate 2 million more Brits 

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Yes I have a problem that you are not concerned if there could be consequences to many Brits already living abroad, because you are utterly not concerned what may happen to them and all could be kicked out just to appease Ukippers throwing their dummies out over who can come and live in the country And if worse comes to worse, how will you accommodate 2 million more Brits 

Didge why do you insist on dividing the world into EU and non EU?  This is going to come as a shock to you buy millions of Brits live abroad not in the EU and guess what?  They manage fine.
Yes i know they do, but over 2 million live within the EU without restrictions, this may come as a shock to you, but this is a reality darling

As to why them being kicked out - the fact that you and others like you consider the possibility realistic enough for consideration speaks volumes about what people genuinely think about the EU - even when defending it they see it as behaving like a spoilt 4 year old child.
Hilarious, are you denying there is a possibility this could happen, take your time hun?

Incidentally the reason they are highly unlikely to be kicked out is the same reason the EU is highly unlikely to suddenly stick massive import duties on anything from the UK (the only reason I say highly unlikely rather than it not happening is because of people like you suggesting the possibility it might happen - that shakes my faith that those with power over millions will behave like adults and not cut their noses off to spite their faces) and that is because in both scenarios the EU has more to lose if the UK promptly reciprocated.  If the EU bangs taxes on UK imports then the UK will copy and it will cost the EU a lot lot more because they export more to us than we do to them.  If the EU kicks Brits out then the UK could  copy and again there are more EU residents here than there are Brits in the EU.

UKIP do not view EU and non EU as different.
UKIP will not remove anyone except those here illegally.
UKIP will not force anyone who wishes to leave to stay.

According to you the EU will kick out Brits - you obviously believe this will happen because you are criticizing UKIP for believing that the EU would behave the same as UKIP would and not kick anyone out.  I know which side of this argument I want to be on.

BigAndy9 wrote:Didge - are you in a mood with everybody?

Why the bold lettering?

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Didge - are you in a mood with everybody?

Why the bold lettering?

No mood Andy, makes the questions stand out easier to read for some avoiding the possible reprecussions from their own selfish needs

BigAndy9 wrote:Didge - are you in a mood with everybody?

Why the bold lettering?

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


No mood Andy, makes the questions stand out easier to read for some avoiding the possible reprecussions from their own selfish needs

I don't believe sphinx is avoiding any questions.

BigAndy9 wrote:Have just looked at some of your questions didge and it reminded me of one person's very good reason/answer for voting UKIP:

"I couldn't care less if we were a poorer nation financially, I just want my bloody country back, I want the people of Britain to run their own country, I want the British government to put British people first, so I'm voting UKIP."

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Didge why do you insist on dividing the world into EU and non EU?  This is going to come as a shock to you buy millions of Brits live abroad not in the EU and guess what?  They manage fine.
Yes i know they do, but over 2 million live within the EU without restrictions, this may come as a shock to you, but this is a reality darling

As to why them being kicked out - the fact that you and others like you consider the possibility realistic enough for consideration speaks volumes about what people genuinely think about the EU - even when defending it they see it as behaving like a spoilt 4 year old child.
Hilarious, are you denying there is a possibility this could happen, take your time hun?

Incidentally the reason they are highly unlikely to be kicked out is the same reason the EU is highly unlikely to suddenly stick massive import duties on anything from the UK (the only reason I say highly unlikely rather than it not happening is because of people like you suggesting the possibility it might happen - that shakes my faith that those with power over millions will behave like adults and not cut their noses off to spite their faces) and that is because in both scenarios the EU has more to lose if the UK promptly reciprocated.  If the EU bangs taxes on UK imports then the UK will copy and it will cost the EU a lot lot more because they export more to us than we do to them.  If the EU kicks Brits out then the UK could  copy and again there are more EU residents here than there are Brits in the EU.

UKIP do not view EU and non EU as different.
UKIP will not remove anyone except those here illegally.
UKIP will not force anyone who wishes to leave to stay.

According to you the EU will kick out Brits - you obviously believe this will happen because you are criticizing UKIP for believing that the EU would behave the same as UKIP would and not kick anyone out.  I know which side of this argument I want to be on.

I never said it would happen, what did you fail to understand as being a possible consequence so again showing you have as much intelligence as a fruit bat, i will ask again


Can you rule out the possibility that with UKIP pulling out of the EU over 2 million Brits living within the EU could lose their rights to stay?

What contingency plans do you have to repatriate 2 millions ex pats ?


can you rule out Britain losing many rights to gain trading with many nations as to forfeiting its rights within the EU?  


What contingency plans do you have in place for loss of trade abroad


Can you rule out the possibility of losing foreign businesses to Britain being as we lose our accreditation of being part of the EU?


What contingency do you have in place for this?

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


I don't believe sphinx is avoiding any questions.

maybe not, what I am pointing out is the fact nobody does no the consequences of what would happen if we did leave, what is more important though is what contingency plans UKIP have for many of these possible outcomes.

For example another possibility:

A November 2013 poll of businesses by Business for Britain found that 5% of small businesses, 8% of medium-sized and 9% of large firms think they would close if Britain left the EU. That amounts to 53,000 businesses employing 1.5million people.

What contingency is in place by UKIP for the possible loss of so many jobs and business?  

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


I never said it would happen, what did you fail to understand as being a possible consequence so again showing you have as much intelligence as a fruit bat, i will ask again


Can you rule out the possibility that with UKIP pulling out of the EU over 2 million Brits living within the EU could lose their rights to stay?

What contingency plans do you have to repatriate 2 millions ex pats ?


can you rule out Britain losing many rights to gain trading with many nations as to forfeiting its rights within the EU?  


What contingency plans do you have in place for loss of trade abroad


Can you rule out the possibility of losing foreign businesses to Britain being as we lose our accreditation of being part of the EU?


What contingency do you have in place for this?

Why are people opposed to UKIP so worried that the EU is going to behave in such a way when it is clear that will harm them more than it does the UK?

Is the problem with UKIP the fact that they are the only ones who expect the EU to behave in a reasonable manner?  Is the criticism aimed at UKIP to do with "for fuck sake dont upset them man you dont know what they can do" as exhibited by the thoroughly cowed parents of a spoiled brat who wont let anyone upset the little darling because they live in fear of the little darling.

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Why are people opposed to UKIP so worried that the EU is going to behave in such a way when it is clear that will harm them more than it does the UK?

Is the problem with UKIP the fact that they are the only ones who expect the EU to behave in a reasonable manner?  Is the criticism aimed at UKIP to do with "for fuck sake dont upset them man you dont know what they can do" as exhibited by the thoroughly cowed parents of a spoiled brat who wont let anyone upset the little darling because they live in fear of the little darling.

That did not answer my questions did it, we are talking about possible outcomes, which now seem to frighten you from answering which is odd, surely you have thought of contingencies Sphinx.

The fact is they want out of the EU, when the EU has no power over us, which makes their view rather absurd, the fact is you want people to vote for you and yet cannot answer simple possibilities can you.


Can you rule out any of my questions?

No, so if you cannot rule them out as a possibility or even offer contingencies for any eventuality, what faith are people going to have in such a party, when clearly they are ill prepared for any outcome.


So good copout, but try again, here this will do for a start:



Leaving EU would ‘shut 53,000 UK businesses’

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3911588.ece

So what is your contingency for this?

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Why are people opposed to UKIP so worried that the EU is going to behave in such a way when it is clear that will harm them more than it does the UK?

Is the problem with UKIP the fact that they are the only ones who expect the EU to behave in a reasonable manner?  Is the criticism aimed at UKIP to do with "for fuck sake dont upset them man you dont know what they can do" as exhibited by the thoroughly cowed parents of a spoiled brat who wont let anyone upset the little darling because they live in fear of the little darling.

That did not answer my questions did it, we are talking about possible outcomes, which now seem to frighten you from answering which is odd, surely you have thought of contingencies Sphinx.

The fact is they want out of the EU, when the EU has no power over us, which makes their view rather absurd, the fact is you want people to vote for you and yet cannot answer simple possibilities can you.


Can you rule out any of my questions?

No, so if you cannot rule them out as a possibility or even offer contingencies for any eventuality, what faith are people going to have in such a party, when clearly they are ill prepared for any outcome.


So good copout, but try again, here this will do for a start:



Leaving EU would ‘shut 53,000 UK businesses’

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3911588.ece

So what is your contingency for this?

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


That did not answer my questions did it, we are talking about possible outcomes, which now seem to frighten you from answering which is odd, surely you have thought of contingencies Sphinx.

The fact is they want out of the EU, when the EU has no power over us, which makes their view rather absurd, the fact is you want people to vote for you and yet cannot answer simple possibilities can you.


Can you rule out any of my questions?

No, so if you cannot rule them out as a possibility or even offer contingencies for any eventuality, what faith are people going to have in such a party, when clearly they are ill prepared for any outcome.


So good copout, but try again, here this will do for a start:



Leaving EU would ‘shut 53,000 UK businesses’

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3911588.ece

So what is your contingency for this?

So what the pro EUs argument actually comes down to is.............dont leave the EU because you will have to deal with them being really really nasty and vindictive.

As you have been unable to work out the answer you want from the points I have made I will reduce it down to Peter and Jane reader level for you.

If the EU decides to eject the Brits living there Britain will eject the EUs living here - as there are more of the latter than there are of the former this will mean the UK ends up with a smaller population even after taking them back in and putting them where the evictees were previously while the EU gets stuck with having to take in more people that it kicked out.

As for jobs businesses etc I think you might find that UKIP are rather further ahead of you on that than you believe.  The figures are being independently calculated and will be released when appropriate for the general election as they are subject to constant revision and UKIP learned its lesson in 2009/10 early policy release saw its ideas hijacked by other parties.

PhilDidge wrote:A message to UKIP

Tess. wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:A message to UKIP

Have you had a lobotomy or something Didge? That post was more on the level of Catman's.

BigAndy9 wrote:A lot of his posts have been today.

It's the didge of old that we used to see on inaflip.

Tess. wrote:
Have you had a lobotomy or something Didge? That post was more on the level of Catman's.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:A lot of his posts have been today.

It's the didge of old that we used to see on inaflip.

So basically another UKIP supporter cannot refute my points and instead wants to debate about me


PMSL

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



So basically another UKIP supporter cannot refute my points and instead wants to debate about me


PMSL

You haven't requested I refute any points.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

You haven't requested I refute any points.

Bit pointless if you cannot being as you support them Andy, never mind, you are always welcome to try, as if you cannot back your party, you are not going to win over many people, but then if your absurd methodology on foreigners commiting murders in the UK is anything to go by, I am really not suprised

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Bit pointless if you cannot being as you support them Andy, never mind, you are always welcome to try, as if you cannot back your party, you are not going to win over many people, but then if your absurd methodology on foreigners commiting murders in the UK is anything to go by, I am really not suprised

Errrm... none of that makes sense.

Catman wrote:

Tess. wrote:
Have you had a lobotomy or something Didge? That post was more on the level of Catman's.

I thought you'd done the forum a favour and fucked off, Tess the dog....Shame. 

Catman wrote:




I thought you'd done the forum a favour and fucked off, Tess the dog....Shame. 

PhilDidge wrote:

Catman wrote:




I thought you'd done the forum a favour and fucked off, Tess the dog....Shame. 

Why on earth do you want people to leave?
Tess is way more liked than you will ever be, so many would see her going as a loss, I doubt the same would be felt if you did, so stop being an arse

PhilDidge wrote:

Catman wrote:




I thought you'd done the forum a favour and fucked off, Tess the dog....Shame. 

Why on earth do you want people to leave?
Tess is way more liked than you will ever be, so many would see her going as a loss, I doubt the same would be felt if you did, so stop being an arse

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Why on earth do you want people to leave?
Tess is way more liked than you will ever be, so many would see her going as a loss, I doubt the same would be felt if you did, so stop being an arse

Not very nice didge.

Catman wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Why on earth do you want people to leave?
Tess is way more liked than you will ever be, so many would see her going as a loss, I doubt the same would be felt if you did, so stop being an arse

You aren't exactly liked on here by many more, you're just too up your own arse to realise.

Catman wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Why on earth do you want people to leave?
Tess is way more liked than you will ever be, so many would see her going as a loss, I doubt the same would be felt if you did, so stop being an arse

You aren't exactly liked on here by many more, you're just too up your own arse to realise.

PhilDidge wrote:

Catman wrote:

You aren't exactly liked on here by many more, you're just too up your own arse to realise.

Not concerned if I am or not, things like that are of little importance to me, what is importance is a weasel like yourself stops attacking posters for no reason

Tess. wrote:

Catman wrote:

You aren't exactly liked on here by many more, you're just too up your own arse to realise.

At least he isn't foul-mouthed and abusive on almost every post, and doesn't try to drive people away from the forum like you do.

Catman wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Not concerned if I am or not, things like that are of little importance to me, what is importance is a weasel like yourself stops attacking posters for no reason

She made the first comment to me you fucking ignorant little prick.   

Catman wrote:

Tess. wrote:
At least he isn't foul-mouthed and abusive on almost every post, and doesn't try to drive people away from the forum like you do.

Cry me a river you stupid old dog.   

PhilDidge wrote:

Catman wrote:

She made the first comment to me you fucking ignorant little prick.   

Really?
Since day one you have been abusing her so stop with all the fucking bullshit you pathetic little worm, now go and do what you do best and drown your sorrows you pathetic waste of oxygen

Catman wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Really?
Since day one you have been abusing her so stop with all the fucking bullshit you pathetic little worm, now go and do what you do best and drown your sorrows you pathetic waste of oxygen

Make me, you brainless little RW scumbag.

PhilDidge wrote:

Catman wrote:

Make me, you brainless little RW scumbag.

Make you, no need, no doubt you already are half way through countless bottles of scotch already supplemented by your benefits, whilst claiming to be a carer, yeah we have heard all your bullshit claims, so you wanna be a right bastard, I can be a fucking total nightmare back to you.
As if reason does not work, then being a right fucker to you might get you to stop being a right total fuckwit.

So go and have good little cry over the fact you are nothing but a stain on society

Catman wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Make you, no need, no doubt you already are half way through countless bottles of scotch already supplemented by your benefits, whilst claiming to be a carer, yeah we have heard all your bullshit claims, so you wanna be a right bastard, I can be a fucking total nightmare back to you.
As if reason does not work, then being a right fucker to you might get you to stop being a right total fuckwit.

So go and have good little cry over the fact you are nothing but a stain on society

You will never get one over on me, you foul trail of cat vomit.
You fucking claim to work, but you post on here almose 24/7
You lying piece of shit.