As the Insurrection Narrative Crumbles, Democrats Cling to it More Desperately Than Ever

If the threat of "armed insurrectionists" and "domestic terrorists" is as great as some claim, why do they have to keep lying and peddling crude media fictions about it?

Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless.

First we had the hysteria over the violence we were told was likely to occur at numerous state capitols on Inauguration Day. “Law enforcement and state officials are on high alert for potentially violent protests in the lead-up to Inauguration Day, with some state capitols boarded up and others temporarily closed ahead of Wednesday's ceremony,” announced CNN. In an even scarier formulation, NPR intoned that “the FBI is warning of protests and potential violence in all 50 state capitals ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration.”

The resulting clampdowns were as extreme as the dire warnings. Washington, D.C. was militarized more than at any point since the 9/11 attack. The military was highly visible on the streets. And, described The Washington Post, “state capitols nationwide locked down, with windows boarded up, National Guard troops deployed and states of emergency preemptively declared as authorities braced for potential violence Sunday mimicking the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump rioters.” All of this, said the paper, “reflected the anxious state of the country ahead of planned demonstrations.”

But none of that happened — not even close. The Washington Post acknowledged three weeks later:


https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-the-insurrection-narrative-crumbles


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Didgee wrote:If the threat of "armed insurrectionists" and "domestic terrorists" is as great as some claim, why do they have to keep lying and peddling crude media fictions about it?

Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless.

First we had the hysteria over the violence we were told was likely to occur at numerous state capitols on Inauguration Day. “Law enforcement and state officials are on high alert for potentially violent protests in the lead-up to Inauguration Day, with some state capitols boarded up and others temporarily closed ahead of Wednesday's ceremony,” announced CNN. In an even scarier formulation, NPR intoned that “the FBI is warning of protests and potential violence in all 50 state capitals ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration.”

The resulting clampdowns were as extreme as the dire warnings. Washington, D.C. was militarized more than at any point since the 9/11 attack. The military was highly visible on the streets. And, described The Washington Post, “state capitols nationwide locked down, with windows boarded up, National Guard troops deployed and states of emergency preemptively declared as authorities braced for potential violence Sunday mimicking the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump rioters.” All of this, said the paper, “reflected the anxious state of the country ahead of planned demonstrations.”

But none of that happened — not even close. The Washington Post acknowledged three weeks later:


https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-the-insurrection-narrative-crumbles


More to read on  link

It's good politics. Constantly remind people that there are some crazy people that supported Trump. Use those people to discredit anyone that doesn't support Biden or the progressive agenda.

To be fair, conservatives try to tie all Dems to Antifa too.

On another note. Greenwald is growing on me. I still follow The Intercept, which he founded and somehow got fired from.

He's a lefty, but an honest one. He won't drink their Kool aid.

Maddog wrote:On another note. Greenwald is growing on me. I still follow The Intercept, which he founded and somehow got fired from.

He's a lefty, but an honest one. He won't drink their Kool aid.

I was never a fan of Greenwald due to his dishonesty with debates with Sam Harris, but of late, he has really surprised me. Epically on twitter

He is turning out to be very fair and honesty lefty. Someone I happily am on board with, even if I may not share all of his views

phil wrote:Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless.

Simple answer: Trump's gone. Biden must clean house in the top echelons of the FBI and the Pentagon, but we're in charge now.

Next question.

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless.

Simple answer: Trump's gone.  Biden must clean house in the top echelons of the FBI and the Pentagon, but we're in charge now.

Next question.

Clean house?

How did he do this by no actual insurrection?

Have the papers lie as they did, to instil a fear of hate of the right equivalent to the extremist Muslim threat after 9/11 as George Bush did?

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless.

Simple answer: Trump's gone.  Biden must clean house in the top echelons of the FBI and the Pentagon, but we're in charge now.

Next question.

There was no question. Simply observations by Greenwald.

So the Democrats are in charge of the FBI and all the other law enforcement groups that issued these warnings and made these decisions?

Or is it the media's fault for reporting that law enforcement officials are issuing warnings?

Fucking hell

Ben Reilly wrote:So the Democrats are in charge of the FBI and all the other law enforcement groups that issued these warnings and made these decisions?

Or is it the media's fault for reporting that law enforcement officials are issuing warnings?

Fucking hell

The FBI says a lot of things. What gets reported is up to the media and Greenwald seems to think the media is pretty biased.

The dudes right.

On 1/6 Trump was in charge. He delayed the FBI and military response. We need to clean house on both those institutions.

The media is just doing its job. RWers don't like it because it shines the light on their doings.

Original Quill wrote:On 1/6 Trump was in charge.  He delayed the FBI and military response.  We need to clean house on both those institutions.

The media is just doing its job.  RWers don't like it because it shines the light on their doings.

This isn't about what happened that day and Greenwald is a gay, progressive.

Hardly a right winger.

Greenwald can be alright, but when you start saying Tucker Carlson is a socialist, you might need to take a break.

Eilzel wrote:Greenwald can be alright, but when you start saying Tucker Carlson is a socialist, you might need to take a break.

That is a massive strawman mate in regards to the article

Again I do not agree with a number of views Greenwald has, but you have to view each points made on its value

Not apply or use a view to attempt then to discount something he has said, by something else you disagree on

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Simple answer: Trump's gone.  Biden must clean house in the top echelons of the FBI and the Pentagon, but we're in charge now.

Next question.

Clean house?

How did he do this by no actual insurrection?

Have the papers lie as they did, to instil a fear of hate of the right equivalent to the extremist Muslim threat after 9/11 as George Bush did?

The RW are rapidly becoming a criminal enterprise, what with attacking the capitol and all. We've got it on film, with perfectly identified people doing perfectly identified crimes. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!

There are literally domestic organized groups doing these crimes, akin to organized crime families and international terrorists groups. They are an infections that needs removal.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:


Clean house?

How did he do this by no actual insurrection?

Have the papers lie as they did, to instil a fear of hate of the right equivalent to the extremist Muslim threat after 9/11 as George Bush did?

The RW are rapidly becoming a criminal enterprise, what with attacking the capitol and all.  We've got it on film, with perfectly identified people doing perfectly identified crimes.  If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!

There are literally domestic organized groups doing these crimes, akin to organized crime families and international terrorists groups.  They are an infections that needs removal.

The RW has nothing to do with this thread.

Give it a rest you obsessive fucking weirdo.

You sound like a Q Anon follower.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The RW are rapidly becoming a criminal enterprise, what with attacking the capitol and all.  We've got it on film, with perfectly identified people doing perfectly identified crimes.  If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!

There are literally domestic organized groups doing these crimes, akin to organized crime families and international terrorists groups.  They are an infections that needs removal.

The RW has nothing to do with this thread.

Give it a rest you obsessive fucking weirdo.  

You sound like a Q Anon follower.  

I'll take your lack of a meaningful response as further proof of my point.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The RW has nothing to do with this thread.

Give it a rest you obsessive fucking weirdo.  

You sound like a Q Anon follower.  

I'll take your lack of a meaningful response as further proof of my point.

You can take my pointing out of your weird obsession as further proof of your problem.

Try staying on topic for a change.

the lack of event in some ways comes down to the tech giants taking down the RW extremists chatrooms and apps like palar going down. let alone Trump himself being banned from twitter

without the means to coordinate the rallies fell apart

Plus the reality of consequences after the capitol insurrection probably cooled the drive of those not 100% committed.

Xlnt point, veya. BTW, we've missed your wisdom and solid voice around this website.

In many ways, Trump was the perfect storm. The technical 'spread' provided by social media, a fading mind at the Resolution Desk, and a bunch of bitter, bent-for-revenge racists pulling the levers.

veya_victaous wrote:the lack of event in some ways comes down to the tech giants taking down the RW extremists chatrooms and apps like palar going down. let alone Trump himself being banned from twitter

without the means to coordinate the rallies fell apart  

Plus the reality of consequences after the capitol insurrection probably cooled the drive of those not 100% committed.  

So why pretend that there is a serious threat?

Attempts to bring down the constitutional government is a crime. Crimes are not a serious threat???

Fine, we should let all inmates in federal prisons go free, if crime poses no threat.

Original Quill wrote:Attempts to bring down the constitutional government is a crime.  Crimes are not a serious threat???

Fine, we should let all inmates in federal prisons go free, if crime poses no threat.

The first attempt was serious.

That's not what this thread is about.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Attempts to bring down the constitutional government is a crime.  Crimes are not a serious threat???

Fine, we should let all inmates in federal prisons go free, if crime poses no threat.

The first attempt was serious.  

That's not what this thread is about.  

I think you'll find it is.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The first attempt was serious.  

That's not what this thread is about.  

I think you'll find it is.

No I wont.

Go read the OP you stupid fucker.

Yes, you will.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:the lack of event in some ways comes down to the tech giants taking down the RW extremists chatrooms and apps like palar going down. let alone Trump himself being banned from twitter

without the means to coordinate the rallies fell apart  

Plus the reality of consequences after the capitol insurrection probably cooled the drive of those not 100% committed.  

So why pretend that there is a serious threat?

Because there was, but the counter measures were successful .. but they may not have been individually and prudence says it's better to deploy a counter measure you don't end up requiring than not being able to successfully counter a security threat

not sure who the quote is by but it fits these situations
If you do too much or the right amount it will look the same but if you don't do enough it will be obvious  

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

So why pretend that there is a serious threat?

Because there was, but the counter measures were successful .. but they may not have been individually and prudence says it's better to deploy a counter measure you don't end up requiring than not being able to successfully counter a security threat

not sure who the quote is by but it fits these situations
If you do too much or the right amount it will look the same but if you don't do enough it will be obvious  

You can say there is no threat because we have it under control. Or you could say nothing because you have it under control.

Neither of those happened and Greenwald is calling them out, like a good and honest journalist should.

"Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless."

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Because there was, but the counter measures were successful .. but they may not have been individually and prudence says it's better to deploy a counter measure you don't end up requiring than not being able to successfully counter a security threat

not sure who the quote is by but it fits these situations
If you do too much or the right amount it will look the same but if you don't do enough it will be obvious  

You can say there is no threat because we have it under control. Or you could say nothing because you have it under control.  

Neither of those happened and Greenwald is calling them out, like a good and honest journalist should.

Those Republicans who remain Republican, are traitors.  They owe allegiance to the NRA, which has become a front for the Russian government to funnel money into the kompromat party.  Even if Republican politicians were no longer on the take, they are fodder for blackmail…for having illegally taken money from a foreign adversary.  This explains the stubborn allegiance of Republicans to the cause of evil…Donald Trump, also the kompromat of the Russian government.

So, what you saw on 1/6 was agents of a foreign adversary—some unconscious agents—attacking an institution of the United States.  Why does anyone think it’s going to stop?  It’s but one engagement in a—so far—successful new kind of conflict.

What the Russian government has been able to do is tap into the racist sentiments of Americans, primarily those of the south, using the Republican party as the tool.  They stoke passions in that arena, and reveal weaknesses of the ‘pillar of western society’, and even take it to the extent of (perhaps) a 2nd civil war (if anyone thinks the 1st ever ended).

The naïve Americans have let this happen, under the impression that it’s politics as usual. Greenwald depends on that belief. But look at the bigger picture. Ask yourself, why do Republicans no longer wish to participate in legislative roles? Why are they content to sit on their hands and do nothing? Under normal circumstances those who no longer wish to participate, would leave. But no, they stay put. Why?

Because the shutting down of the ‘pillar of western society’ serves their Russian superiors better than an actual war.  To display the impotence of western society, at the Russian hand, is worth ten Crimea’s, a hundred Czechoslovakia’s.  Russia has played a beautiful chess game, and brilliantly locked the adversary into moves and traps that work against its side.

To undo it, one will have to undo the duplicity of racism and violence in an America that professes equality.  Under present circumstances, that’s not possible.  But there is a way.  We must excise the racist and violent portions of America, through Amexit, and begin to rebuild our dignity and respect in world opinion by being true to our beliefs.  By rebuilding the dignity of America, we provide the free world with a renewed ‘pilar of western society’.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You can say there is no threat because we have it under control. Or you could say nothing because you have it under control.  

Neither of those happened and Greenwald is calling them out, like a good and honest journalist should.

Those Republicans who remain Republican, are traitors.  They owe allegiance to the NRA, which has become a front for the Russian government to funnel money into the kompromat party.  Even if Republican politicians were no longer on the take, they are fodder for blackmail…for having illegally taken money from a foreign adversary.  This explains the stubborn allegiance of Republicans to the cause of evil…Donald Trump, also the kompromat of the Russian government.

So, what you saw on 1/6 was agents of a foreign adversary—some unconscious agents—attacking an institution of the United States.  Why does anyone think it’s going to stop?  It’s but one engagement in a—so far—successful new kind of conflict.

What the Russian government has been able to do is tap into the racist sentiments of Americans, primarily those of the south, using the Republican party as the tool.  They stoke passions in that arena, and reveal weaknesses of the ‘pillar of western society’, and even take it to the extent of (perhaps) a 2nd civil war (if anyone thinks the 1st ever ended).

The naïve Americans have let this happen, under the impression that it’s politics as usual.  Greenwald depends on that belief.  But look at the bigger picture.  Ask yourself, why do Republicans no longer wish to participate in legislative roles?  Why are they content to sit on their hands and do nothing?  Under normal circumstances those who no longer wish to participate, would leave.  But no, they stay put.  Why?

Because the shutting down of the ‘pillar of western society’ serves their Russian superiors better than an actual war.  To display the impotence of western society, at the Russian hand, is worth ten Crimea’s, a hundred Czechoslovakia’s.  Russia has played a beautiful chess game, and brilliantly locked the adversary into moves and traps that work against its side.

To undo it, one will have to undo the duplicity of racism and violence in an America that professes equality.  Under present circumstances, that’s not possible.  But there is a way.  We must excise the racist and violent portions of America, through Amexit, and begin to rebuild our dignity and respect in world opinion by being true to our beliefs.  By rebuilding the dignity of America, we provide the free world with a renewed ‘pilar of western society’.

"Twice in the last six weeks, warnings were issued about imminent, grave threats to public safety posed by the same type of right-wing extremists who rioted at the Capitol on January 6. And both times, these warnings ushered in severe security measures only to prove utterly baseless."

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You can say there is no threat because we have it under control. Or you could say nothing because you have it under control.  

Neither of those happened and Greenwald is calling them out, like a good and honest journalist should.

Those Republicans who remain Republican, are traitors.  They owe allegiance to the NRA, which has become a front for the Russian government to funnel money into the kompromat party.  Even if Republican politicians were no longer on the take, they are fodder for blackmail…for having illegally taken money from a foreign adversary.  This explains the stubborn allegiance of Republicans to the cause of evil…Donald Trump, also the kompromat of the Russian government.

So, what you saw on 1/6 was agents of a foreign adversary—some unconscious agents—attacking an institution of the United States.  Why does anyone think it’s going to stop?  It’s but one engagement in a—so far—successful new kind of conflict.

What the Russian government has been able to do is tap into the racist sentiments of Americans, primarily those of the south, using the Republican party as the tool.  They stoke passions in that arena, and reveal weaknesses of the ‘pillar of western society’, and even take it to the extent of (perhaps) a 2nd civil war (if anyone thinks the 1st ever ended).

The naïve Americans have let this happen, under the impression that it’s politics as usual.  Greenwald depends on that belief.  But look at the bigger picture.  Ask yourself, why do Republicans no longer wish to participate in legislative roles?  Why are they content to sit on their hands and do nothing?  Under normal circumstances those who no longer wish to participate, would leave.  But no, they stay put.  Why?

Because the shutting down of the ‘pillar of western society’ serves their Russian superiors better than an actual war.  To display the impotence of western society, at the Russian hand, is worth ten Crimea’s, a hundred Czechoslovakia’s.  Russia has played a beautiful chess game, and brilliantly locked the adversary into moves and traps that work against its side.

To undo it, one will have to undo the duplicity of racism and violence in an America that professes equality.  Under present circumstances, that’s not possible.  But there is a way.  We must excise the racist and violent portions of America, through Amexit, and begin to rebuild our dignity and respect in world opinion by being true to our beliefs.  By rebuilding the dignity of America, we provide the free world with a renewed ‘pilar of western society’.

"The resulting clampdowns were as extreme as the dire warnings. Washington, D.C. was militarized more than at any point since the 9/11 attack. The military was highly visible on the streets. And, described The Washington Post, “state capitols nationwide locked down, with windows boarded up, National Guard troops deployed and states of emergency preemptively declared as authorities braced for potential violence Sunday mimicking the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump rioters.” All of this, said the paper, “reflected the anxious state of the country ahead of planned demonstrations.”

But none of that happened — not even close. The Washington Post acknowledged three weeks later"

Clever lil buggers...those Russians.

Original Quill wrote:Clever lil buggers...those Russians.  

The resulting clampdowns were as extreme as the dire warnings. Washington, D.C. was militarized more than at any point since the 9/11 attack. The military was highly visible on the streets. And, described The Washington Post, “state capitols nationwide locked down, with windows boarded up, National Guard troops deployed and states of emergency preemptively declared as authorities braced for potential violence Sunday mimicking the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump rioters.” All of this, said the paper, “reflected the anxious state of the country ahead of planned demonstrations.”

But none of that happened — not even close. The Washington Post acknowledged three weeks later:

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Because there was, but the counter measures were successful .. but they may not have been individually and prudence says it's better to deploy a counter measure you don't end up requiring than not being able to successfully counter a security threat

not sure who the quote is by but it fits these situations
If you do too much or the right amount it will look the same but if you don't do enough it will be obvious  

You can say there is no threat because we have it under control. Or you could say nothing because you have it under control.  

Neither of those happened and Greenwald is calling them out, like a good and honest journalist should.  

but you don't know you have it under control, if the threat is Real(as opposed to Media created) then you can't possible know you have in under control until it is over.
You may think you have you chess pieces arranged in a manner to win, doesn't mean you can claim victory until your opponent in in checkmate.

I think your sentiment expresses why the USA could elect trump when most nation wouldn't
RW Americans want an omniscient and omnipotent power to lead them, hence the evangelicalism and the desire to see human leaders speak in absolutes that are beyond any real human leaders knowledge and power.

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You can say there is no threat because we have it under control. Or you could say nothing because you have it under control.  

Neither of those happened and Greenwald is calling them out, like a good and honest journalist should.  

but you don't know you have it under control, if the threat is Real(as opposed to Media created) then you can't possible know you have in under control until it is over.
You may think you have you chess pieces arranged in a manner to win, doesn't mean you can claim victory until your opponent in in checkmate.

I think your sentiment expresses why the USA could elect trump when most nation wouldn't  
RW Americans want an omniscient and omnipotent power to lead them, hence the evangelicalism and the desire to see human leaders speak in absolutes that are beyond any real human leaders knowledge and power.

Fear never really is "over" is it?

That's why it's so effective.

Maddog wrote:Fear never really is "over" is it?

Well, the American civil war never ended. Best argument ever for Amexit.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Fear never really is "over" is it?

Well, the American civil war never ended.  Best argument ever for Amexit.

Hur dur.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

but you don't know you have it under control, if the threat is Real(as opposed to Media created) then you can't possible know you have in under control until it is over.
You may think you have you chess pieces arranged in a manner to win, doesn't mean you can claim victory until your opponent in in checkmate.

I think your sentiment expresses why the USA could elect trump when most nation wouldn't  
RW Americans want an omniscient and omnipotent power to lead them, hence the evangelicalism and the desire to see human leaders speak in absolutes that are beyond any real human leaders knowledge and power.

Fear never really is "over" is it?

That's why it's so effective.

if it is a media beat up then it can only be sustained so long without basis in reality

reality is you just had insurrectionist taking US flags down in the capitol building and replacing them with confederate and trump flags

a couple of months of concern is totally reasonable ... hell we had years of fearing Muslims

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Fear never really is "over" is it?

That's why it's so effective.

if it is a media beat up then it can only be sustained so long without basis in reality

reality is you just had insurrectionist taking US flags down in the capitol building and replacing them with confederate and trump flags

a couple of months of concern is totally reasonable ... hell we had years of fearing Muslims

Can't wait to see who we will be told fear next.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

if it is a media beat up then it can only be sustained so long without basis in reality

reality is you just had insurrectionist taking US flags down in the capitol building and replacing them with confederate and trump flags

a couple of months of concern is totally reasonable ... hell we had years of fearing Muslims

Can't wait to see who we will be told fear next.  

Reckon that'll be in Hillary's next email.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Can't wait to see who we will be told fear next.  

Reckon that'll be in Hillary's next email.  

No one gives a shit about that cackling old hag anymore.

Here's a list of things and people that are often used. Guns, climate change, gays, Asians, Hispanics, Muslims, fascists and commies. I'm sure we could add to the list.