Can we nutshell?

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“In a nutshell....”

Can you do this?
Can we nutshell our thoughts, opinions, feelings? I want to try an experiment.


And this is it...in a nutshell...

eddie wrote:Explain why the answer is “no” to the question “Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?”:


Because social media has given stupid people, a platform. Before social media, stupid people just watched TV.

twitter is an utterly dire cesspool. I can see why people get the (false imo) impression that free speech is dead from posting on that place.
People leap at a single 'bad' utterance and start calling for people to quit etc. People are animals lol

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:Nutshell this:

Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?

In Thailand, no.
In the UK, yes.

Can you make a thread about this? I’m utterly interested in why but this isn’t the thread to say so.

Unless of course, you can nutshell it.

In a nutshell:

I can express any opinion I have when talking to people in the UK, because I'll always be able to do so in a respectful way or be able to explain my reasoning.
In Thailand, certain opinions are strictly off limits and can lose you business, your job, gain stigma or land you in jail, the concept of 'losing face' is toxic here.
People don't care so much about explanations.

I could make a thread if you think that might be interesting.

When something is about communicating, it’s always interesting!

eddie wrote:Nutshell this:

Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?

Yes.
Be mindful, truthful, respectful, open. Engage brain before opening mouth.
Realize how lucky we are and don’t take it for granted.

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:Explain why the answer is “no” to the question “Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?”:


Because social media has given stupid people, a platform. Before social media, stupid people just watched TV.

twitter is an utterly dire cesspool. I can see why people get the (false imo) impression that free speech is dead from posting on that place.
People leap at a single 'bad' utterance and start calling for people to quit etc. People are animals lol

Yep that is true and what is worse is social media giants are now controlling speech

Its now a crime for many females to believe sex is binary

I have seen many people banned from twitter for simple expressing this view

This is the worrying factor that social media giants have that much power over who can have a valid voice mate

Twitter is not the problem, is the people running this based on their political affiliation

Its those in charge controlling what people can or cannot say

eddie wrote:

Didgee wrote:


Yes

If people take me the wrong way that is their issue not mine Eddie

Fucking exactly. Love that reply.

You're question didn't mention who was at fault, only if it happens.

People will take things the wrong way on purpose.

Cass wrote:

eddie wrote:Nutshell this:

Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?

Yes.
Be mindful, truthful, respectful, open. Engage brain before opening mouth.
Realize how lucky we are and don’t take it for granted.

So what your saying is libertarians are selfish.

social networks have editorial responsibilities and they must therefore be subject to a minimum level of regulation. Because if people want to spread content they must be accountable for it
Half of the problems would be solved if people had to have verified details and could be help liable for the content they post Any-wear on the internet

People especially the ones that want to post lies and hateful content are the ones that complain about this the most as an attack on free speech, but here is no such thing as totally Free speech they are lots of restrictions ether legal or as part of a community.

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction But that has limits many limits

This is NOT a freedom of speech issue

Not that anybody reads them but these platforms have T&c for using there services if you don't like them Tuff don't use there services simple

If i had say rented a house and as part of that contract it was stipulated (No Pets) and i then got a pet ,you are in breech of contract and subject to sanctions or even eviction.

Say i owned a pub and people kept coming on to my premises and started verbally abusing others in the Pub with hate speech and abuse.
I have every right to remove them ,ban them from the premises

I see no difference with Social media.
People are free to go somewhere else, a place that allows such behaviour and when it comes to the internet they are many places they can go
But company's have every right to basically refuse service if they do not like the conduct,or behaviour of clients

eddie wrote:Nutshell this:

Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?

In a nutshell YES.

To embroider a bit.....if people do take what I say the wrong way I don't get offended. I will try and see their point, and if they have one I will understand.
That possibly won't change the way I say things, but it does give an opportunity to understand a different viewpoint to mine.

To add...I am not on Twitter so I dont get bogged down with faux indignation at every corner.

eddie wrote:Nutshell this:

Do you feel free to speak in modern society without people taking you the wrong way?

There will always be someone somewhere taking something someone else said ''the wrong way''

That is human and should be taken as an opportunity for further discussion to clarify the issue rather than a restraint on speech

Korben wrote:social networks have editorial responsibilities and they must therefore be subject to a minimum level of regulation. Because if people want to spread content they must be accountable for it
Half of the problems would be solved if people had to have verified details and could be help liable for the content they post Any-wear on the internet

People especially the ones that want to post lies and hateful content are the ones that complain about this the most as an attack on free speech, but here is no such thing as totally Free speech they are lots of restrictions ether legal or as part of a community.

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction But that has limits many limits

This is NOT a freedom of speech issue

Not that anybody reads them but these platforms have T&c for using there services if you don't like them Tuff don't use there services simple

If i had say rented a house and as part of that contract it was stipulated (No Pets) and i then got a pet ,you are in breech of contract and subject to sanctions or even eviction.

Say i owned a pub and people kept coming on to my premises and started verbally abusing others in the Pub with hate speech and abuse.
I have every right to remove them ,ban them from the premises

I see no difference with Social media.
People are free to go somewhere else, a place that allows such behaviour and when it comes to the internet they are many places they can go
But company's have every right to basically refuse service if they do not like the conduct,or behaviour of clients  
   

This goes much farther though. Let's say someone comes to your pub calling you a stupid Jock. I think everyone agrees you can throw him out. But should you be able to get a group together and harrass his employer to the point he gets fired?

Eilzel wrote:If you can explain why you love someone, you can explain how you could stop. That isn’t love. Love is indescribable.

That reminded me of when me and hubby went to see the priest about our wedding. he went through the rigmarole and at the end said. ''i want to ask you both WHY you love each other'' and then turned to us individually. at the time we both rattled off a whole load of different stuff as to what we saw in each other but the priest shook his head and said ''No you've listed different things that you love about each other, that's your characteristics. What i'm asking is WHY do YOU love him? WHY do YOU love her''

we just both looked at each other for at least 30 seconds in silence and then simultaneously turned to him and both pretty much just said ''i dont know I just do''. It sounded lame but the priest smiled and said ''Good''

Maddog wrote:

Cass wrote:

Yes.
Be mindful, truthful, respectful, open. Engage brain before opening mouth.
Realize how lucky we are and don’t take it for granted.

So what your saying is libertarians are selfish.  

In a nutshell, no.

Cass wrote:

Maddog wrote:

So what your saying is libertarians are selfish.  

In a nutshell, no.

Well, that's the way I took your comment.

Guess it was taken the wrong way.

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:social networks have editorial responsibilities and they must therefore be subject to a minimum level of regulation. Because if people want to spread content they must be accountable for it
Half of the problems would be solved if people had to have verified details and could be help liable for the content they post Any-wear on the internet

People especially the ones that want to post lies and hateful content are the ones that complain about this the most as an attack on free speech, but here is no such thing as totally Free speech they are lots of restrictions ether legal or as part of a community.

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction But that has limits many limits

This is NOT a freedom of speech issue

Not that anybody reads them but these platforms have T&c for using there services if you don't like them Tuff don't use there services simple

If i had say rented a house and as part of that contract it was stipulated (No Pets) and i then got a pet ,you are in breech of contract and subject to sanctions or even eviction.

Say i owned a pub and people kept coming on to my premises and started verbally abusing others in the Pub with hate speech and abuse.
I have every right to remove them ,ban them from the premises

I see no difference with Social media.
People are free to go somewhere else, a place that allows such behaviour and when it comes to the internet they are many places they can go
But company's have every right to basically refuse service if they do not like the conduct,or behaviour of clients  
   

This goes much farther though. Let's say someone comes to your pub calling you a stupid Jock.  I think everyone agrees you can throw him out.  But should you be able to get a group together and harass his employer to the point he gets fired?

Well that depends on the situation ,say this person was employed as an advocate for the Scottish people or its interests and that his conduct reflected negativity on the department or employers interests and business then a case could be and has been made on many Situations like it ,where a employee has done something out side work or even inside the work environment. The amount of people fired from there job because of their part in the insurrection at the capitol building is a good example

Maddog wrote:

Cass wrote:

Yes.
Be mindful, truthful, respectful, open. Engage brain before opening mouth.
Realize how lucky we are and don’t take it for granted.

So what your saying is libertarians are selfish.

No, but their ideology encourages selfishness. They discourage restraints, which tends to widen the field of opportunity for selfish people and selfish behavior. Then, transgression begets transgression, and pretty soon you have a community-wide brawl.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

So what your saying is libertarians are selfish.  

No, but their ideology encourages selfishness.  They discourage restraints, which tends to widen the field of opportunity for selfish people and selfish behavior.  Then, transgression begets transgression, and pretty soon you have a community-wide brawl.

Went right over your head.

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

This goes much farther though. Let's say someone comes to your pub calling you a stupid Jock.  I think everyone agrees you can throw him out.  But should you be able to get a group together and harass his employer to the point he gets fired?

Well that depends on the situation ,say this person was employed as an advocate for the Scottish people or its interests and that his conduct reflected negativity on the department or employers interests and business then a case could be and has been made on many Situations like it ,where a employee has done something out side work or even inside the work environment. The amount of people fired from there job because of their part in the  insurrection at the capitol building is a good example  

That's a terrible example.

The insurrection was an act, not speech.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, but their ideology encourages selfishness.  They discourage restraints, which tends to widen the field of opportunity for selfish people and selfish behavior.  Then, transgression begets transgression, and pretty soon you have a community-wide brawl.

Went right over your head.

Still, it's a valid point, and one for which libertarians have no answer.