15 year old attacked by teenage gang with knives and possibly a gun and murdered in the street in broad daylight

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A 15-year-old boy has died after being attacked in a residential street by a group of youths "armed with knives".

Police said Keon Lincoln was "set upon" at about 15:30 GMT on Thursday on Linwood Road, in Handsworth, Birmingham, and died later in hospital.

The attackers fled in a car which crashed into a house a short distance away, added police, who say they have since seized the vehicle.

A 14-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder and is in custody.

The investigation is progressing "at pace", according to the West Midlands force, which detained the suspect on Friday morning.

Witnesses who reported the carrying of knives to officers also said shots were heard.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55762203



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Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I'd like to be compensated from 1986 when Ray Plinkerton in Planning and Liquor Licensing pinched my arse so hard it left a bruise, the sexist pig!   A claim against all those ghastly common workmen who whistled and jeered at me every time I tottered past on my stilettoes at lunchtime.  And if I had a pound for every flasher who flashed his tinkywinkleton at me as a kid, I've be rubbing shoulders with Harry and Meghan by now.

I would only have £2.

One for when a really weird old man exposed himself and swung his  horrible flacid willy around as he walked towards me.
I was only a kid , and as i grew up in an all female household it was quite disturbing.

The second was some weirdo in Spain, he kept pulling his car up  and masturbating as I walked past. That one didn't bother me as much.

I don't think most men realise what girls and women have to go through. I guess they have their own set of problems with growing up and being young. But the sexual harassment both in the workplace and in every day life was truly terrible when I look back.

Maddog wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I'd like to be compensated from 1986 when Ray Plinkerton in Planning and Liquor Licensing pinched my arse so hard it left a bruise, the sexist pig! A claim against all those ghastly common workmen who whistled and jeered at me every time I tottered past on my stilettoes at lunchtime. And if I had a pound for every flasher who flashed his tinkywinkleton at me as a kid, I've be rubbing shoulders with Harry and Meghan by now.

You're doing this wrong. You want to hold the people that actually harmed you responsible. You're supposed to go after folks that had nothing to do with it. Then guilt them into feeling responsible.

If you are talking about the chain-of-causation, what's wrong with bringing groups responsible into the block? The individual is only a comma in the phrase of the trend. You may not be able to hold groups responsible for the individual acts, but they can be a part of the remedy.

Frankly, I don't support reparations, as they do not effectively right the wrong. When you discriminate against groups, you leave them out of life, not just out of pocketbooks. So, money is only part of the problem. Disenfranchisement means all of life.

That's why I think that education holds the key. More than money, education enhances the whole person, and increases his/her value in all aspects of life. As for present on-going discrimination, it becomes a lot harder for a cop to shoot and kill the son of a senator, than the son of a wino; he’s gotta start paying attention, or face real consequences. Again, enfranchise the disenfranchised...and education sticks with the person a lot more than money.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You're doing this wrong. You want to hold the people that actually harmed you responsible. You're supposed to go after folks that had nothing to do with it. Then guilt them into feeling responsible.  

If you are talking about the chain-of-causation, what's wrong with bringing groups responsible into the block?  The individual is only a comma in the phrase of the trend.  You may not be able to hold groups responsible for the individual acts, but they can be a part of the remedy.

Frankly, I don't support reparations, as they do not effectively right the wrong.  When you discriminate against groups, you leave them out of life, not just out of pocketbooks.  So, money is only part of the problem.  Disenfranchisement means all of life.

That's why I think that education holds the key.  More than money, education enhances the whole person, and increases his/her value in all aspects of life.  As for present on-going discrimination, it becomes a lot harder for a cop to shoot and kill the son of a senator, than the son of a wino; he’s gotta start paying attention, or face real consequences.  Again, enfranchise the disenfranchised...and education sticks with the person a lot more than money.

Because individuals shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of a group.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:
I would only have £2.

One for when a really weird old man exposed himself and swung his  horrible flacid willy around as he walked towards me.
I was only a kid , and as i grew up in an all female household it was quite disturbing.

The second was some weirdo in Spain, he kept pulling his car up  and masturbating as I walked past. That one didn't bother me as much.

I don't think most men realise what girls and women have to go through. I guess they have their own set of problems with growing up and being young. But the sexual harassment both in the workplace and in every day life was truly terrible when I look back.

Boys and young men also have to deal with stuff too...

Tommy Monk wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I don't think most men realise what girls and women have to go through.   I guess they have their own set of problems with growing up and being young.  But the sexual harassment both in the workplace and in every day life was truly terrible when I look back.  

Boys and young men also have to deal with stuff too...

That's what I said, if you'd taken the trouble to read my post properly.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

If you are talking about the chain-of-causation, what's wrong with bringing groups responsible into the block?  The individual is only a comma in the phrase of the trend.  You may not be able to hold groups responsible for the individual acts, but they can be a part of the remedy.

Frankly, I don't support reparations, as they do not effectively right the wrong.  When you discriminate against groups, you leave them out of life, not just out of pocketbooks.  So, money is only part of the problem.  Disenfranchisement means all of life.

That's why I think that education holds the key.  More than money, education enhances the whole person, and increases his/her value in all aspects of life.  As for present on-going discrimination, it becomes a lot harder for a cop to shoot and kill the son of a senator, than the son of a wino; he’s gotta start paying attention, or face real consequences.  Again, enfranchise the disenfranchised...and education sticks with the person a lot more than money.

Because individuals shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of a group.  

Quite right.  Groups should be held responsible for actions done by/to groups.  That's why governments are being called on to respond.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Because individuals shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of a group.  

Quite right.  Groups should be held responsible for actions done by/to groups.  That's why governments are being called on to respond.

So leave individuals alone unless they actually participated.

I would hold all slave holders, that are still alive, responsible for slavery.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Quite right. Groups should be held responsible for actions done by/to groups. That's why governments are being called on to respond.

So leave individuals alone unless they actually participated.

I would hold all slave holders, that are still alive, responsible for slavery.

No, listen (or read) carefully: leave individuals alone unless their group, or country actually participated. In the case of the US, there is no question that slavery was the law for about 400-years, and then followed by all the permutations for another 180-years and beyond. It's still going on, obviously.

The US is the relevant group here, and its government is obligated to respond, by my reckoning. It is responding, in piecemeal ways; but some wholesale cutting is in order. First, give away the south; southerners are beyond rehabilitation. Amexit. Relocate blacks, and sympathetic whites to the north, and close the borders.

Second, start a program of reeducation, as I said above. I think universities are doing their part, with African American Studies departments cropping up here and there. They need to make certain courses mandatory. And, it needs to trickle down to High School levels.

As I said, Reparations is just money that is squandered. But education shows we really care. Do it.

Sorry HT... didn't see that bit... my post was just to highlight the point I made, wasn't a dig at you in any way...