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Post by eddie Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:23 pm

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I said this on another thread, I think Biden is utterly boring, lifeless, lacks animation and looks like he’d turn to dust if a strong wind came along.

I don’t like Trump, like many others here, but did Biden only win because Trump was such a hateful president?

What is your answer to this question?


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Post by Syl Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:56 am

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Cant you Americans find people younger than pushing 70 to run your country. Razz
Most people are well into retirement at that age.

Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush were all in their 40s or 50s when they became president. It's only recently that no younger candidate has been able to elevate his or her star enough to have the name-recognition needed to win the presidency.`
Clinton and Obama were younger, Bush was mid 60's, and before them Reagan was almost 70.

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Post by Maddog Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:00 am

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“Didn’t blame them but tried to destroy their reputations” is just about the same thing as blaming them.
She’s still a fucking dangerous idiot.
I dont know how/if she acted badly to the women her husband her husband was messing around with, I can only remember that Lewinsky girl.

But....I have never understood women who blame other women when their men are unfaithful.....blame HIM for Gods sake, he is the one who hurt you, no one else.

She hired private investigators to dig up dirt on women in Arkansas.

That's why she only got 47% of the female vote, while Biden got 57%.

Women don't forget other women that pull shit like that. Many held their nose and voted for her. A.sizable number didn't and thats why she lost.

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Post by Syl Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:05 am

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I dont know how/if she acted badly to the women her husband her husband was messing around with, I can only remember that Lewinsky girl.

But....I have never understood women who blame other women when their men are unfaithful.....blame HIM for Gods sake, he is the one who hurt you, no one else.

She hired private investigators to dig up dirt on women in Arkansas.  

That's why she only got 47% of the female vote, while Biden got 57%.

Women don't forget other women that pull shit like that. Many held their nose and voted for her. A.sizable number didn't and thats why she lost.  
Hmmm, women also dont like women who go after other womens husbands, 
so Hilary should have used his betrayals to her own advantage.

For a smart woman ... not placing the blame on her husband was a dumb way to act.

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Post by eddie Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:16 am

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Isn't she younger than both Trump and Biden?

Probably about the same age as Trump.  Methusala is younger than Biden.  
Cant you Americans find people younger than pushing 70 to run your country. Razz
Most people are well into retirement at that age.

Yeah, that’s pretty much my point. Dusty old people trying to think with some energy Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:21 am

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

“Didn’t blame them but tried to destroy their reputations” is just about the same thing as blaming them.
She’s still a fucking dangerous idiot.
I dont know how/if she acted badly to the women her husband her husband was messing around with, I can only remember that Lewinsky girl.

But....I have never understood women who blame other women when their men are unfaithful.....blame HIM for Gods sake, he is the one who hurt you, no one else.

She hired private investigators to dig up dirt on women in Arkansas.  

That's why she only got 47% of the female vote, while Biden got 57%.

Women don't forget other women that pull shit like that. Many held their nose and voted for her. A.sizable number didn't and thats why she lost.  

Ah well, Trump fucked a pornographic magazine model while his wife was pregnant. Nobody's perfect!

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:23 am

eddie wrote:
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Maddog wrote:
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Isn't she younger than both Trump and Biden?

Probably about the same age as Trump.  Methusala is younger than Biden.  
Cant you Americans find people younger than pushing 70 to run your country. Razz
Most people are well into retirement at that age.

Yeah, that’s pretty much my point. Dusty old people trying to think with some energy Rolling Eyes

Like I said, that's only been in the past four years. Before that, you had Obama, Bush and Clinton, all in their 40s or 50s when they were elected. It's not a regular feature of American politics.

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Post by eddie Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:24 am

Nobody is perfect.

So let's not try to make excuses for the idiots by finding another idiot.

Anyway, thanks for the answers guys. Most of us thought that Biden won because Trump is a cunt.


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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:27 am

eddie wrote:Nobody is perfect.

So let's not try to make excuses for the idiots by finding another idiot.

Anyway, thanks for the answers guys. Most of us thought that Biden won because Trump is a cunt.


Not every idiot is at the same level of idiocy; all sins are not equal; and some people fit some people's criteria for leadership better than other people do. And we're all idiots, just in different ways.

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Post by eddie Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:29 am

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eddie wrote:Nobody is perfect.

So let's not try to make excuses for the idiots by finding another idiot.

Anyway, thanks for the answers guys. Most of us thought that Biden won because Trump is a cunt.


Not every idiot is at the same level of idiocy; all sins are not equal; and some people fit some people's criteria for leadership better than other people do.

In your opinion, of course. Basketball

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:35 am

eddie wrote:
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eddie wrote:Nobody is perfect.

So let's not try to make excuses for the idiots by finding another idiot.

Anyway, thanks for the answers guys. Most of us thought that Biden won because Trump is a cunt.


Not every idiot is at the same level of idiocy; all sins are not equal; and some people fit some people's criteria for leadership better than other people do.

In your opinion, of course. Basketball

Oh, dude, I know my opinion is no more valuable than used toilet roll Cool

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Post by Original Quill Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:27 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Outside of her toleration of Bill's infidelity, Hillary Clinton's negatives were mostly made up.

Yes, she was the start of Republican conspiracy theories and alternate truths. They just ran at the mouth, and made up all sorts of shit. Isn't catty talk what you do with the subject is a woman?

No matter what Red says, there has never been a female president in the US. The simple reason is because a female is the wrong sex. In the US, the president is the leading man. You don't cast a female in the role of a leading man. This is not a normative statement, but a statement of fact.

Sure, in parliamentary systems there have been lots of female leaders. But in parliamentary systems the leader is not elected by the population, but by other legislators. When the leader is left to the voting public to choose, it is always a more conservative choice. They will choose a male as their lead figure.

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Post by Syl Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:24 pm

True that a woman has never publicly been voted in for the top job in the US, yet often it's the women who make the lasting impressions, and probably have more  influence in how popular their OH is too.

Starting with Jackie O, the public loved her, even over here I can remember seeing her face on every glossy magazine cover when I was young...she was a latter day 'influencer' in the way women dressed and behaved.

Others have followed, strong women like Nancy Reagan, Hilary Clinton and Michelle Obama. Mrs Reagan was often said to have more say in running the country than her husband.

I'm even sure Melanie had more global respect than Donald, though that's not hard to see why.What a Face

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:38 pm

If what Hillary Clinton did was bad enough to disqualify her from being president, then I'm quite sure no woman, or man, will ever be qualified to be president.

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Post by Syl Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:42 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:If what Hillary Clinton did was bad enough to disqualify her from being president, then I'm quite sure no woman, or man, will ever be qualified to be president.

I imagine Trump would stoop to any depths to ruin anyones reputation if it would help him gain higher ground.

When he forever accuses others of manufacturing FAKE NEWS, he is probably the master of it.
Hilary always seemed OK to me, her chance has now gone, but I think rather than her blowing it she can thank her husband and Trump for that....and obviously the American voting public who judge women very differently from the way they judge men.

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Post by Maddog Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:52 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:If what Hillary Clinton did was bad enough to disqualify her from being president, then I'm quite sure no woman, or man, will ever be qualified to be president.

She wasn't really disqualified. She was just considered slightly less qualified by a small number of people, and oddly enough, a lot of women.  

She would have beaten Trump this time if she ran, although I don't know if the Dems would have nominated her.  


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Post by Original Quill Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:If what Hillary Clinton did was bad enough to disqualify her from being president, then I'm quite sure no woman, or man, will ever be qualified to be president.

She wasn't really disqualified. She was just considered slightly less qualified by a small number of people, and oddly enough, a lot of women.

...a lot of RW women. Politics is not a gender issue, although Trump has made gender an opposition issue for his cult. RW women disliked her just as RW men.

Women can be as, if not more catty toward one another just naturally.

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Post by Syl Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:40 pm

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She wasn't really disqualified. She was just considered slightly less qualified by a small number of people, and oddly enough, a lot of women.

...a lot of RW women.  Politics is not a gender issue, although Trump has made gender an opposition issue for his cult.  RW women disliked her just as RW men.

Women can be as, if not more catty toward one another just naturally.

Forums being the exception?

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Post by Original Quill Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:51 pm

Syl wrote:
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...a lot of RW women.  Politics is not a gender issue, although Trump has made gender an opposition issue for his cult.  RW women disliked her just as RW men.

Women can be as, if not more catty toward one another just naturally.

Forums being the exception?

Not offhand.  How do you mean that?

Truth is, you never see any gossip or dirt on Hilary that is verified. She's a bitch here; she's a bitch there; she's a bitch everywhere. This kind of a bitch; that kind of a bitch; every kind of a bitch.

'Cept...no one ever posts a link, or even a story that tangentially supports whatever the rumor. It's all he said, she said, they said and we said. None of it is ever substantiated. I say it's simply because she had the temerity pretend she had a pair of balls...if you know what I mean. A president is a male role.


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She wasn't really disqualified. She was just considered slightly less qualified by a small number of people, and oddly enough, a lot of women.

...a lot of RW women.  Politics is not a gender issue, although Trump has made gender an opposition issue for his cult.  RW women disliked her just as RW men.

Women can be as, if not more catty toward one another just naturally.

Whatever fucking wing they were, they had a different tune with Obama and Biden than with her, and all 3 of them are the same wing of the same bird.

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Post by Original Quill Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:18 pm

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...a lot of RW women.  Politics is not a gender issue, although Trump has made gender an opposition issue for his cult.  RW women disliked her just as RW men.

Women can be as, if not more catty toward one another just naturally.

Whatever fucking wing they were, they had a different tune with Obama and Biden than with her, and all 3 of them are the same wing of the same bird.  

...and never substantiated. That's what I mean. It's only because she was a female.

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Whatever fucking wing they were, they had a different tune with Obama and Biden than with her, and all 3 of them are the same wing of the same bird.  

...and never substantiated.  That's what I mean.  It's only because she was a female.

So females prefer to vote for males?

Or RW women prefer Dem men.

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...and never substantiated.  That's what I mean.  It's only because she was a female.

So females prefer to vote for males?

Apparently everyone does. There was such a whirlwind around Hilary, and it all reduced to wicked, unsubstantiated gossip.

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So females prefer to vote for males?

Apparently everyone does.  There was such a whirlwind around Hilary, and it all reduced to wicked, unsubstantiated gossip.

Hillary's attacks on Bill's lovers are substantiated.

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Apparently everyone does.  There was such a whirlwind around Hilary, and it all reduced to wicked, unsubstantiated gossip.

Hillary's attacks on Bill's lovers are substantiated.

I've never seen any substantiation. Post some links if you know of any.

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Forums being the exception?

Not offhand.  How do you mean that?

I meant on forums men seem to be catty to one another more than women are.

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Not offhand.  How do you mean that?

I meant on forums men seem to be catty to one another more than women are.

It seems to be evenly divided.  I'm surprised at how many women buy into a male-only presumption about the office of president...if not expressly, then by their actions.  You would think that a female candidate would attract the breaking-the-glass-ceiling crowd, but then at Republican rallies there the women are in the front row.

Seems the same on forums, don't you think?

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