Paris knife attack - victim reported to have been a teacher who was beheaded - attacker shot dead by police

Tommy Monk wrote:


A history teacher who is said to have discussed images of the Prophet Muhammad with his pupils has been beheaded in a Paris suburb, it has been reported.

The suspected attacker was shot dead about 600 metres from the scene, the AP news agency has said.

It happened on a street in Conflans Sainte-Honorine, northwest of the French capital, at about 5pm local time.

According to La Parisien newspaper, the attacker was an 18-year-old man of Chechen origin, who was carrying a knife. A gun was found at his side. Other reports say it was an airsoft gun that fired plastic pellets.

The teacher's suspected attacker was shot after he refused to put down his gun.

https://news.sky.com/story/france-attack-man-shot-by-french-police-after-decapitation-in-paris-suburbs-12105885

Vintage wrote:Here we go again. I'll bet the apologists will say he's not a proper Muslim its time the Muslim world grasped the nettle of responsibility for what the followers of that particular book does in the name of their prophet.

Original Quill wrote:Chechens are east of Europe, are they not?  Horrible people.

Vintage wrote:Here we go again. I'll bet the apologists will say he's not a proper Muslim its time the Muslim world grasped the nettle of responsibility for what the followers of that particular book does in the name of their prophet.

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Chechens are east of Europe, are they not?  Horrible people.

Xenophobia

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Chechens are east of Europe, are they not?  Horrible people.

Xenophobia

Not generally...xenophobia, as I understand it,  means dislike without reason.  It's a form of nationalism, but inversely understood.

I'm more specific, and with cause.  It's the zeitgeist.  Cutting off a head?  That's an eastern European thing.  Horrible people.  

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

Xenophobia

Not generally...xenophobia, as I understand it,  means dislike without reason.  It's a form of nationalism, but inversely understood.

I'm more specific, and with cause.  It's the zeitgeist.  Cutting off a head?  That's an eastern European thing.  Horrible people.  

Victorismyhero wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Not generally...xenophobia, as I understand it,  means dislike without reason.  It's a form of nationalism, but inversely understood.

I'm more specific, and with cause.  It's the zeitgeist.  Cutting off a head?  That's an eastern European thing.  Horrible people.  

nah cutting of heads is more a middle eastern thing....

the eastern european thing is a sharp stake up the ass ...a la Vlad the impaler

Victorismyhero wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Not generally...xenophobia, as I understand it,  means dislike without reason.  It's a form of nationalism, but inversely understood.

I'm more specific, and with cause.  It's the zeitgeist.  Cutting off a head?  That's an eastern European thing.  Horrible people.  

nah cutting of heads is more a middle eastern thing....

the eastern european thing is a sharp stake up the ass ...a la Vlad the impaler

Didgee wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:

nah cutting of heads is more a middle eastern thing....

the eastern european thing is a sharp stake up the ass ...a la Vlad the impaler

lol, sadly the Turks did the same, but good point


The fact is Quill has a very poor and quite hateful view of Eastern Europeans

Oddly enough, so did Hitler and Stalin

Maddog wrote:

Didgee wrote:

lol, sadly the Turks did the same, but good point


The fact is Quill has a very poor and quite hateful view of Eastern Europeans

Oddly enough, so did Hitler and Stalin

What is his deal with the Eastern Europeans anyway.  

It's weird.  

Maddog wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:

nah cutting of heads is more a middle eastern thing....

the eastern european thing is a sharp stake up the ass ...a la Vlad the impaler

Mexicans aren't opposed to whacking a few heads off either.  And ironically, the French invented a machine to speed up the process.  

Tommy Monk wrote:


We are not talking about medieval times and the punishments dished out by the then authorities...


We are talking about today in modern times... and an Islamist nut job carving off the head of a teacher on a street in Paris, in broad daylight, by sawing away at his neck with a hand held knife...

Michael Shermer wrote:Islam is "mostly" a peaceful religion. Statistically speaking that may be true, but it 's the variance that matters, not the mean.

What do Mormons do when their book is made into a hilarious musical? They take ads out in the playbook!

Didgee wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


We are not talking about medieval times and the punishments dished out by the then authorities...


We are talking about today in modern times... and an Islamist nut job carving off the head of a teacher on a street in Paris, in broad daylight, by sawing away at his neck with a hand held knife...

If others wish to talk about past crimes in context of what other people have stated. 

Then they can

Stop trying to police what people can talk about on threads Tommy

Thanks

Original Quill wrote:Chechens are east of Europe, are they not? Horrible people.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didgee wrote:


If others wish to talk about past crimes in context of what other people have stated. 

Then they can

Stop trying to police what people can talk about on threads Tommy

Thanks

Fuck off Didge!

The op is about an Islamist nut job carrying out a brutal murder on a teacher on the streets of Paris in broad daylight... Murdering him by chopping away at his neck with a kitchen knife and chopping off his head...!

Vintage wrote:Here we go again. I'll bet the apologists will say he's not a proper Muslim its time the Muslim world grasped the nettle of responsibility for what the followers of that particular book does in the name of their prophet.

Maddog wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:

nah cutting of heads is more a middle eastern thing....

the eastern european thing is a sharp stake up the ass ...a la Vlad the impaler

Mexicans aren't opposed to whacking a few heads off either.  And ironically, the French invented a machine to speed up the process.  

Tommy Monk wrote:


This thread is about the Islamist attack on the teacher in Paris...


It is not about discussion about the various methods of medieval torture and/or execution from centuries ago...


If people want to discuss the latter... Then start your own thread about such things... Don't hijack my thread for it.. !

Didge wrote:I think Quill holds a guilt by association view point based on a nation's government in power at any given time

inmyopinion wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread is about the Islamist attack on the teacher in Paris...

It is not about discussion about the various methods of medieval torture and/or execution from centuries ago...

If people want to discuss the latter... Then start your own thread about such things... Don't hijack my thread for it.. !

good point, it is in the rules to stay relevant to the OP.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:
good point, it is in the rules to stay relevant to the OP.

No one said anything about Islam.  The title doesn't mention Islam.  This thread is about a Chechen attack on a teacher in Paris. according to the text.

And here you are talking about rules.  The title doesn't mention rules either.  You are waaaaay off topic.

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No one said anything about Islam.  The title doesn't mention Islam.  This thread is about a Chechen attack on a teacher in Paris. according to the text.

And here you are talking about rules.  The title doesn't mention rules either.  You are waaaaay off topic.

what are you on?? do you have enough for everyone, then you might make sense.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I think Quill holds a guilt by association view point based on a nation's government in power at any given time

Says the poster who perennially hates Muslims...particularly Iranians.

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Says the poster who perennially hates Muslims...particularly Iranians.

False

I do not hate Iranians or Muslims

I detest the totalitarian extremist Iranian regime and Wahhabism

God said: "Thou shalt put no other gods before me."  

Vintage wrote:Yes anyone who has any knowledge of Islam understands its origins how a lot of it is old testament mixed with Greek ideas the problem is that for the most part religions love them or hate them, have moved on from brimstone and hell and are at least reasonably harmless but perhaps noisy. There are some stirrings of violence in Hinduism again and even Buddhists are getting in on the act but not to the extent of Muslims. The man who stabbed people in Belgium had gone there at age 16 and found a job and seemed to be quiet and hard working all of a sudden because of the prophet cartoons he became bat s**t crazy and deliberately went out and stabbed people. It seems odd to me that Islamic countries can embrace all the technological goodies from the west but are unfailingly determined or unable to embrace a secular society where everyone can be as religious as they like or not at all and everything in between. There seems something particularly wrong with the ideology that has such a grip on even educated people in this day and age. Although there are many people of all religions who are, they say conservative I say weird about their religion but overall they don't go around murdering people because of that, they do some other things that are unacceptable that cause psychological and even physical harm of course.

Original Quill wrote:Muslims are Christians, but about 600-years behind.

God said: "Thou shalt put no other gods before me."  

Then he punished the newly emancipated Jewish people for worshiping a golden calf.

Although its roots go back further, scholars typically date the creation of Islam to the 7th century, making it the youngest of the major world religions. Islam started in Mecca, in modern-day Saudi Arabia, during the time of the prophet Muhammad's life.

Although Muslims have their own holy book, they still subscribe to the same god, and to events in Old Testament, including Exodus.  The maxims that come from that source are their maxims too.

Christians too went through a phase of iconoclasm, where statuary and art were destroyed.  It comes from the same source, and means You should worship God instead of your idols, like those pictures.  In this case, it was depictions of the holy Prophet Mohammad…but, to this man, it was still worshiping idols.

I don't like it either.  I don't subscribe to either religion…for this very reason.  Maybe it's time we rejected all such religions, and the heinous acts they cause.  But for Christians to condemn this event is hypocrisy.  You might understand a bit more if you understand that Islam is just Christianity, about 600-years behind.  Maybe it's growing pains.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Mohammed was a local thug and he and his gang of bandits robbed, raped and murdered their way around the place.


His first wife was the widow of a wealthy merchant, and she used to fascinate him with stories of Christianity and miracles and other tales of far away places... which had a big influence on him... But he was a power crazed psychopath and megalomaniac, and violence death and destruction was all he brought to people.


He was also a peadophile as he married a 9 year old girl.

Spot on.

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Muslims are Christians, but about 600-years behind.



Then he punished the newly emancipated Jewish people for worshiping a golden calf.

Although its roots go back further, scholars typically date the creation of Islam to the 7th century, making it the youngest of the major world religions. Islam started in Mecca, in modern-day Saudi Arabia, during the time of the prophet Muhammad's life.

Although Muslims have their own holy book, they still subscribe to the same god, and to events in Old Testament, including Exodus.  The maxims that come from that source are their maxims too.

Christians too went through a phase of iconoclasm, where statuary and art were destroyed.  It comes from the same source, and means You should worship God instead of your idols, like those pictures.  In this case, it was depictions of the holy Prophet Mohammad…but, to this man, it was still worshiping idols.

I don't like it either.  I don't subscribe to either religion…for this very reason.  Maybe it's time we rejected all such religions, and the heinous acts they cause.  But for Christians to condemn this event is hypocrisy.  You might understand a bit more if you understand that Islam is just Christianity, about 600-years behind.  Maybe it's growing pains.

total idiot as usual.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

total idiot as usual.

Good answer.  I gather you are at a loss for words.

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Good answer.  I gather you are at a loss for words.

where to start but I'm not sure I want to waste my time or energy on someone who cannot see a difference in islam and Christianity.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

where to start but I'm not sure I want to waste my time or energy on someone who cannot see a difference in islam and Christianity.

I think you missed the point.  The real issue isn't between Islam and Christianity, but rather between silly metaphysical theories that have no basis in reality, versus saving lives.

While you are down there in the mud, arguing one dirty religion against another, others are up here saying there is no bearded old man who lives in the sky, and WTF are y'all killing for anyway?

We would all do much better worrying about climate change or pandemics.

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I think you missed the point.  The real issue isn't between Islam and Christianity, but rather between silly metaphysical theories that have no basis in reality, versus saving lives.

While you are down there in the mud, arguing one dirty religion against another, others are up here saying there is no bearded old man who lives in the sky, and WTF are y'all killing for anyway?

We would all do much better worrying about climate change or pandemics.

So you actually believe with no "religion" we would stop killing each other, you are deluded, were the u2 incident, the cuban crisis about religion??

Ben Reilly wrote:So, it's bigoted to paint everyone of a certain group with the same brush, whether they're Muslims or Eastern Europeans.

Ben Reilly wrote:So, it's bigoted to paint everyone of a certain group with the same brush, whether they're Muslims or Eastern Europeans.

Vintage wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:So, it's bigoted to paint everyone of a certain group with the same brush, whether they're Muslims or Eastern Europeans.

It may be some are peaceful but follow the evidence, politicians in Afghanistan being assassinated especially if they are women, similar stuff in Pakistan plus you are in trouble if you are Christian in Pakistan, the Belgium stabber was a Muslim the French beheader was a Muslim, there are numerous stories of Muslims especially Afghans who seems stab someone for the slightest reason from being turned away from a cafe for not wearing a mask through killing someone because of cartoons to beheading your wife/neighbour to just being someone in the wrong place at the wrong time, there seems to be a distinct pattern here.