So is Christmas 2020 cancelled now?

Seems the next 6 months are crucial in the way this virus is handled.

Boris has said the way some of us are acting, disregarding the rules/laws and regulations are to blame for the sudden increase in many areas...is he right?

Is this rise just the start of a misery laden Autumn, Winter....and Christmas.

Kids have gone back to school and many people have gone back to work, so I would be surprised if we didn't see a slight rise in cases... But we are testing nearly 250,000 people a day and the positive cases number per day is still below 2%...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EilNqF8WAAEhB3m?format=jpg&name=900x900

In re: the title...I believe, yes, Christmas is cancelled.  Since the virus is unrelenting, we must match the enemy.  Any festivities indoors, that puts us within 6’ of one another, is inadvisable.

Waffle

Tommy Monk wrote:

Waffle

Haha...you've got some dead waffles over there.  When jumping off a cliff becomes political, I'll take the side that stands back from the ledge and follows directions.  

Was it cancelled when Hitler was raining down V2 rockets on your heads? Or did y'all soldier on?

Maddog wrote:Was it cancelled when Hitler was raining down V2 rockets on your heads? Or did y'all soldier on?

Were V2 rockets infectious among the victims? If so, it should have been cancelled.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Was it cancelled when Hitler was raining down V2 rockets on your heads? Or did y'all soldier on?

Were V2 rockets infectious among the victims?  If so, it should have been cancelled.

Of course not. They delivered hugs and kisses in the warhead.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Were V2 rockets infectious among the victims?  If so, it should have been cancelled.

Of course not. They delivered hugs and kisses in the warhead.

That's not infection. That's pregnancy.

Maddog wrote:Was it cancelled when Hitler was raining down V2 rockets on your heads? Or did y'all soldier on?

That was very different.
People needed the comfort and camaraderie of their family, friends and neighbours then, there was no invisible deadly infection, the danger to life came from elsewhere.

Original Quill wrote:In re: the title...I believe, yes, Christmas is cancelled.  Since the virus is unrelenting, we must match the enemy.  Any festivities indoors, that puts us within 6’ of one another, is inadvisable.

Households are once more being told not to mix, either inside or outside....I cant see family gatherings going ahead at Christmas.
If the 10pm curfew still stands, meaning last orders for food will be around 7 or 7.30pm, lots of people wont be going out to eat either.

Syl wrote:Seems the next 6 months are crucial in the way this virus is handled.

Boris has said the way some  of us are acting, disregarding the rules/laws and regulations are to blame for the sudden increase in many areas...is he right?

Is this rise just the start of a misery laden Autumn, Winter....and Christmas.

rules are being ignored because most of them are pointless and useless, I hope Boris just delivers Brexit then pisses off.

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:Seems the next 6 months are crucial in the way this virus is handled.

Boris has said the way some  of us are acting, disregarding the rules/laws and regulations are to blame for the sudden increase in many areas...is he right?

Is this rise just the start of a misery laden Autumn, Winter....and Christmas.

rules are being ignored because most of them are pointless and useless, I hope Boris just delivers  Brexit then pisses off.

Some rules seem to contradict others that's for sure.
But would you agree that social distancing is one good way to stop the spread?

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:
rules are being ignored because most of them are pointless and useless, I hope Boris just delivers  Brexit then pisses off.

Some rules seem to contradict others that's for sure.
But would you agree that social distancing is one good way to stop the spread?

the best way to stop this virus is to not watch the news or social media, the mortality rate is so small, it is only killing those who are already seriously ill, if no one made a fuss it would have passed now.
I believe it is all a huge smokescreen for major changes going on..

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:

Some rules seem to contradict others that's for sure.
But would you agree that social distancing is one good way to stop the spread?

the best way to stop this virus is to not watch the news or social media, the mortality rate is so small, it is only killing those who are already seriously ill, if no one made a fuss it would have passed now.
I believe it is all a huge smokescreen for major changes going on..

I don't think burying your head in the sand ignoring advice is the best way forwards, neither do I think worrying yourself to death by listening to 24/7 news about the doom and gloom of it all is the way to go either.
The majority of people who have died have been already ill or old, but many people are seriously ill who had no previous health conditions, so it's not to be ignored surely.

"The UK has recorded its highest daily rise in Covid-19 cases since May 1 as a further 37 people died after testing positive for the disease.
The Government said that as of 9am on Wednesday, there had been a further 6,178 lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK, taking the overall number of cases confirmed to 409,729.
It said a further 37 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 as of Wednesday. This brings the UK total to 41,862."



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-coronavirus-live-keir-starmer-challenges-boris-johnson-in-pmqs-over-new-restrictions-as-support-for-strategy-slumps/ar-BB19kOs1?ocid=msedgntp

Tommy Monk wrote:



Waffle

It's not waffle Tommy....But in any case, you were convinced you had had it a while ago, so you should be OK.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:
the best way to stop this virus is to not watch the news or social media, the mortality rate is so small, it is only killing those who are already seriously ill, if no one made a fuss it would have passed now.
I believe it is all a huge smokescreen for major changes going on..

I don't think burying your head in the sand ignoring advice is the best way forwards, neither do I think worrying yourself to death by listening to 24/7 news about the doom and gloom of it all is the way to go either.
The majority of people who have died have been already ill or old, but many people are seriously ill who had no previous health conditions, so it's not to be ignored surely.

I don't agree that "the majority of people who have died have been already ill or old". Schools, colleges and universities all over the world are closing because of the virus and deaths, and that involves young people.

But the impetus of what you say is true: one can't escape it by burying one's head in the sand.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

I don't think burying your head in the sand ignoring advice is the best way forwards, neither do I think worrying yourself to death by listening to 24/7 news about the doom and gloom of it all is the way to go either.
The majority of people who have died have been already ill or old, but many people are seriously ill who had no previous health conditions, so it's not to be ignored surely.

I don't agree that "the majority of people who have died have been already ill or old".  Schools, colleges and universities all over the world are closing because of the virus and deaths, and that involves young people.

But the impetus of what you say is true: one can't escape it by burying one's head in the sand.

I don't actually know the stats of younger or fit people who have died of the virus Quill.
I do know that more recently younger people seem to be more infecting and infected, inevitable really since the schools, colleges and uni's are up and running again, and lets not talk about the raves and social aspect of the way some young people are going about things.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:
the best way to stop this virus is to not watch the news or social media, the mortality rate is so small, it is only killing those who are already seriously ill, if no one made a fuss it would have passed now.
I believe it is all a huge smokescreen for major changes going on..

I don't think burying your head in the sand ignoring advice is the best way forwards, neither do I think worrying yourself to death by listening to 24/7 news about the doom and gloom of it all is the way to go either.
The majority of people who have died have been already ill or old, but many people are seriously ill who had no previous health conditions, so it's not to be ignored surely.

"The UK has recorded its highest daily rise in Covid-19 cases since May 1 as a further 37 people died after testing positive for the disease.
The Government said that as of 9am on Wednesday, there had been a further 6,178 lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK, taking the overall number of cases confirmed to 409,729.
It said a further 37 people had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 as of Wednesday. This brings the UK total to 41,862."



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-coronavirus-live-keir-starmer-challenges-boris-johnson-in-pmqs-over-new-restrictions-as-support-for-strategy-slumps/ar-BB19kOs1?ocid=msedgntp

I would never condone burying your head, I do condone free thinking and logic, I don't blame the gov. as no one seems to know the right way and hindsight is always 20/20 but listening to the constant threat of death when the rate is so tiny that it would normally be ignored is crazy, I mean the gov saying wash your hands, your mum told you that when you could first walk, wearing masks now, 6 months in is akin to wearing a condom at the birth, they talk abut vaccines and herd immunity, which never stopped other viruses and hope fully those vaccines were properly tested but who knows now.
As for far more cases, if we are testing much more, more cases hardly seems that surprising, now if the death rate grows exponentially , we need a long , close look but it seems unlikely.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

I don't think burying your head in the sand ignoring advice is the best way forwards, neither do I think worrying yourself to death by listening to 24/7 news about the doom and gloom of it all is the way to go either.
The majority of people who have died have been already ill or old, but many people are seriously ill who had no previous health conditions, so it's not to be ignored surely.

I don't agree that "the majority of people who have died have been already ill or old".  Schools, colleges and universities all over the world are closing because of the virus and deaths, and that involves young people.

But the impetus of what you say is true: one can't escape it by burying one's head in the sand.

Sky news, for what that is worth, showed stats stating 95% of the fatalities were people who had at least 1 major underlying illness, that stat could include young people but it seems to show healthy people do not die from it.
The idea of test stating you had the virus and the person in question did not even no appears to support the premise, this planneddemic is not a major killer.

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't agree that "the majority of people who have died have been already ill or old".  Schools, colleges and universities all over the world are closing because of the virus and deaths, and that involves young people.

But the impetus of what you say is true: one can't escape it by burying one's head in the sand.

Sky news, for what that is worth, showed stats stating 95% of the fatalities were people who had at least 1 major underlying illness, that stat could include young people but it seems to show healthy people do not die from it.

Co-morbidity is almost always the case in any death. Most people who die of cancer, heart disease, AIDS, etc., often die of pneumonia, brought on by the underlying condition.

I'll draw you a parallel: Most people who died on 9/11 didn't die of terrorism. They died of heart disease, lung congestion and blunt force trauma.

Does that mean that terrorism is off the hook? We all know that terrorism took them to the place where they died of those other things. So it is, with the Trump-virus.

I just wish this virus would mutate into one that instead of killig pensioners and other older people with underlying health problems who are NOT seriously ill...(for instance i'm 66 and type II diabetic..whilst its well controlled and I'm very capable of fully enjoying life, if I get this its almost certainly curtains)
into one which although not killing, would rot the balls off the under 18-50's randomly

I guarantee you would see the HIGHEST level of compliance with regualtions......

The sheer fact that the govt felt compelled to tell people HOW to wash their hands, indeed to tell them even to do it speaks for the sheer volume of dirty ignorant chavs that infest our society
(and we encourage these peole to breed and vote

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

Sky news, for what that is worth, showed stats stating 95% of the fatalities were people who had at least 1 major underlying illness, that stat could include young people but it seems to show healthy people do not die from it.

Co-morbidity is almost always the case in any death.  Most people who die of cancer, heart disease, AIDS, etc., often die of pneumonia, brought on by the underlying condition.

I'll draw you a parallel: Most people who died on 9/11 didn't die of terrorism.  They died of heart disease, lung congestion and blunt force trauma.

Does that mean that terrorism is off the hook?  We all know that terrorism took them to the place where they died of those other things.  So it is, with the Trump-virus.

No but they would have died without the virus in most cases, the mortality rate is so tiny and the reaction is totally out of proportion to the threat, that is obvious and why did the gov downgrade the virus they day before the first shut down?

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Co-morbidity is almost always the case in any death.  Most people who die of cancer, heart disease, AIDS, etc., often die of pneumonia, brought on by the underlying condition.

I'll draw you a parallel: Most people who died on 9/11 didn't die of terrorism.  They died of heart disease, lung congestion and blunt force trauma.

Does that mean that terrorism is off the hook?  We all know that terrorism took them to the place where they died of those other things.  So it is, with the Trump-virus.

No but they would have died without the virus in most cases, the mortality rate is so tiny and the reaction is totally out of proportion to the threat, that is obvious and why did the gov downgrade the virus they day before the first shut down?

Well....everybody eventually dies. The point of comorbidity is that one disease aids the other disease along. It weakens the body and allows it to cause death. AIDS is the classic case. The NHS did a study on HIV deaths and found:

London Journal of Primary Care wrote:Mortality amongst HIV-positive individuals is primarily due to liver disease (hepatitis B and C, alcoholassociated or antiretroviral toxicity), vascular disease (associated with smoking, alcohol, antiretrovirals), AIDS-related conditions (due to non-adherence or intolerance of antiretroviral regimens), lung disease (due to smoking and alcohol), cancer (due to smoking, alcohol, HCV, possibly antiretrovirals) and violence (associated with alcohol and drug use).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4238727/#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20comorbidities%20amongst,(hepatitis%20B%20and%20C).

Absent the Trump-virus, a lot of people would not have died.

Victorismyhero wrote:I just wish this virus would mutate into one that instead of killig pensioners and other older people with underlying health problems who are NOT seriously ill...(for instance i'm 66 and type II diabetic..whilst its well controlled and I'm very capable of fully enjoying life, if I get this its almost certainly curtains)
into one which although not killing, would rot the balls off the under 18-50's randomly

I guarantee you would see the HIGHEST level of compliance with regualtions......

The sheer fact that the govt felt compelled to tell people HOW to wash their hands, indeed to tell them even to do it speaks for the sheer volume of dirty ignorant chavs that infest our society
(and we encourage these peole to breed and vote

That's simply not true Vic...


Being older, having diabetes, being overweight and having many other quite serious health problems are all higher risk factors for dying from this virus... But it doesn't follow that if you have any of these things then you will definitely die from this virus...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:I just wish this virus would mutate into one that instead of killig pensioners and other older people with underlying health problems who are NOT seriously ill...(for instance i'm 66 and type II diabetic..whilst its well controlled and I'm very capable of fully enjoying life, if I get this its almost certainly curtains)
into one which although not killing, would rot the balls off the under 18-50's randomly

I guarantee you would see the HIGHEST level of compliance with regualtions......

The sheer fact that the govt felt compelled to tell people HOW to wash their hands, indeed to tell them even to do it speaks for the sheer volume of dirty ignorant chavs that infest our society
(and we encourage these peole to breed and vote

That's simply not true Vic...

Being older, having diabetes, being overweight and having many other quite serious health problems are all higher risk factors for dying from this virus... But it doesn't follow that if you have any of these things then you will definitely die from this virus...

The virus kills quite efficiently on its own.  Witness all of the young people who die apart from any other disease or condition.  But it does kill rather efficiently in conjunction with other medical conditions, which accounts for higher numbers in the elderly.

RW'ers tend to hide behind comorbidity, to say the virus is quite harmless on its own.  That is complete bullshite.  It's an ugly argument to begin with--granpa and granma are less important, anyway--but it is also not true.  Like terrorism on 9/11, most of the deaths are occasioned by the primary cause: the Trump-virus.

The govt and other authorities here in UK are still not acknowledging the fact that the virus has been going around here in UK since before Christmas 2019, and that millions more people here in UK have had it and fully recovered than are stated in the official figures of UK cases of this virus.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:Was it cancelled when Hitler was raining down V2 rockets on your heads? Or did y'all soldier on?

That was very different.
People needed the comfort and camaraderie of their family, friends and neighbours then, there was no invisible deadly infection, the danger to life came from elsewhere.

Is it?

People faced a lethal threat from another shore.

Tommy Monk wrote:The govt and other authorities here in UK are still not acknowledging the fact that the virus has been going around here in UK since before Christmas 2019, and that millions more people here in UK have had it and fully recovered than are stated in the official figures of UK cases of this virus.

Meh...you need a new government.

I know people around here who had the virus back in August, 2019. Physicians tell me they have been seeing it since mid-year, 2019.

Even the US intelligence services identified it coming from Wuhan back in November, 2019. Dr. Redfield of the CDC said he identified it on January 3rd. NSA Director O'Brien told Trump, "it is the most serious security threat of your term" on January 28th. It was announced in a Cabinet meeting on February 3rd.

Republicans and Tories sat on their hands and did nothing, while unemployment skyrocketed and the economy plunged. Scores of deaths turned into hundreds, then thousands, thence tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands; the US it has killed 200,000 and unemployment is approaching 15%. Bars and restaurants are closing, and events and schools are closing.

Such a shame where the previous administration in the US had it well under control. The CDC and FDA are top-notch organizations, and the Trump administration had disbanded the very unit aimed at meeting this kind of crisis:

Associated Press wrote:Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised
By DEB RIECHMANN
March 14, 2020

Too much regulation, Trump said. What a colossal failure. One president totally anticipated it, and the other one threw it all away! Trump might as well have murdered 200,000 people.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The govt and other authorities here in UK are still not acknowledging the fact that the virus has been going around here in UK since before Christmas 2019, and that millions more people here in UK have had it and fully recovered than are stated in the official figures of UK cases of this virus.

Meh...you need a new government.

I know people around here who had the virus back in August, 2019. Physicians tell me they have been seeing it since mid-year, 2019.

Even the US intelligence services identified it coming from Wuhan back in November, 2019. Dr. Redfield of the CDC said he identified it on January 3rd. NSA Director O'Brien told Trump, "it is the most serious security threat of your term" on January 28th. It was announced in a Cabinet meeting on February 3rd.

Republicans and Tories sat on their hands and did nothing, while unemployment skyrocketed and the economy plunged. Scores of deaths turned into hundreds, then thousands, thence tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands; the US it has killed 200,000 and unemployment is approaching 15%. Bars and restaurants are closing, and events and schools are closing.

Such a shame where the previous administration in the US had it well under control. The CDC and FDA are top-notch organizations, and the Trump administration had disbanded the very unit aimed at meeting this kind of crisis:

Associated Press wrote:Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised
By DEB RIECHMANN
March 14, 2020

Too much regulation, Trump said. What a colossal failure. One president totally anticipated it, and the other one threw it all away! Trump might as well have murdered 200,000 people.

That is complete bullshit because the virus has been scientifically traced back to its genetic origin in humans to be September 2019, and first appearing in China!!!

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

That's simply not true Vic...

Being older, having diabetes, being overweight and having many other quite serious health problems are all higher risk factors for dying from this virus... But it doesn't follow that if you have any of these things then you will definitely die from this virus...

The virus kills quite efficiently on its own.  Witness all of the young people who die apart from any other disease or condition.  But it does kill rather efficiently in conjunction with other medical conditions, which accounts for higher numbers in the elderly.

RW'ers tend to hide behind comorbidity, to say the virus is quite harmless on its own.  That is complete bullshite.  It's an ugly argument to begin with--granpa and granma are less important, anyway--but it is also not true.  Like terrorism on 9/11, most of the deaths are occasioned by the primary cause: the Trump-virus.

no one is an acceptable loss but illness hits the unfit the hardest as they are ill equipped to fight it off.
why you still blame the rwers for everything its laughable, by rwers I assume you mean everyone who does not agree with you, so the list will be long and impressive.
The mortality rate is what it is, with no exceptions, it kills a tiny percentage and only those already compromised healthwise, this has been the same everywhere.
The interest and fear this planneddemic has produced is so obviously out of proportion to it's dangerous logic dictates something fishy is going on..

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The virus kills quite efficiently on its own.  Witness all of the young people who die apart from any other disease or condition.  But it does kill rather efficiently in conjunction with other medical conditions, which accounts for higher numbers in the elderly.

RW'ers tend to hide behind comorbidity, to say the virus is quite harmless on its own.  That is complete bullshite.  It's an ugly argument to begin with--granpa and granma are less important, anyway--but it is also not true.  Like terrorism on 9/11, most of the deaths are occasioned by the primary cause: the Trump-virus.

no one is an acceptable loss but illness hits the unfit the hardest as they are ill equipped to fight it off.  
why you still blame the rwers for everything its laughable, by rwers I assume you mean everyone who does not agree with you, so the list will be long and impressive.

The RW'ers are a derivative. They are, like, enablers. My primary focus is the Trump administration:

Let me borrow from another post:

Original Quill wrote:I know people around here who had the virus back in August, 2019. Physicians tell me they have been seeing it since mid-year, 2019.

Even the US intelligence services identified it coming from Wuhan back in November, 2019. Dr. Redfield of the CDC said he identified it on January 3rd. NSA Director O'Brien told Trump, "it is the most serious security threat of your term" on January 28th. It was announced in a Cabinet meeting on February 3rd.

Republicans and Tories sat on their hands and did nothing, while unemployment skyrocketed and the economy plunged. Scores of deaths turned into hundreds, then thousands, thence tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands; the US it has killed 200,000 and unemployment is approaching 15%. Bars and restaurants are closing, and events and schools are closing.

Such a shame where the previous administration in the US had it well under control. The CDC and FDA are top-notch organizations, and the Trump administration had disbanded the very unit aimed at meeting this kind of crisis:

Associated Press wrote:Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised
By DEB RIECHMANN
March 14, 2020

Too much regulation, Trump said. What a colossal failure. One president totally anticipated it, and the other one threw it all away! Trump might as well have murdered 200,000 people.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The govt and other authorities here in UK are still not acknowledging the fact that the virus has been going around here in UK since before Christmas 2019, and that millions more people here in UK have had it and fully recovered than are stated in the official figures of UK cases of this virus.

Meh...you need a new government.

I know people around here who had the virus back in August, 2019. Physicians tell me they have been seeing it since mid-year, 2019.

Even the US intelligence services identified it coming from Wuhan back in November, 2019. Dr. Redfield of the CDC said he identified it on January 3rd. NSA Director O'Brien told Trump, "it is the most serious security threat of your term" on January 28th. It was announced in a Cabinet meeting on February 3rd.

Republicans and Tories sat on their hands and did nothing, while unemployment skyrocketed and the economy plunged. Scores of deaths turned into hundreds, then thousands, thence tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands; the US it has killed 200,000 and unemployment is approaching 15%. Bars and restaurants are closing, and events and schools are closing.

Such a shame where the previous administration in the US had it well under control. The CDC and FDA are top-notch organizations, and the Trump administration had disbanded the very unit aimed at meeting this kind of crisis:

Associated Press wrote:Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised
By DEB RIECHMANN
March 14, 2020

Too much regulation, Trump said. What a colossal failure. One president totally anticipated it, and the other one threw it all away! Trump might as well have murdered 200,000 people.

That is complete bullshit because the virus has been scientifically traced back to its genetic origin in humans to be September 2019, and first appearing in China!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Meh...you need a new government.

I know people around here who had the virus back in August, 2019.  Physicians tell me they have been seeing it since mid-year, 2019.

Even the US intelligence services identified it coming from Wuhan back in November, 2019.  Dr. Redfield of the CDC said he identified it on January 3rd.  NSA Director O'Brien told Trump, "it is the most serious security threat of your term" on January 28th.  It was announced in a Cabinet meeting on February 3rd.

Republicans and Tories sat on their hands and did nothing, while unemployment skyrocketed and the economy plunged.  Scores of deaths turned into hundreds, then thousands, thence tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands; the US it has killed 200,000 and unemployment is approaching 15%.  Bars and restaurants are closing, and events and schools are closing.

Such a shame where the previous administration in the US had it well under control.  The CDC and FDA are top-notch organizations, and the Trump administration had disbanded the very unit aimed at meeting this kind of crisis:



Too much regulation, Trump said.  What a colossal failure.  One president totally anticipated it, and the other one threw it all away!  Trump might as well have murdered 200,000 people.

That is complete bullshit because the virus has been scientifically traced back to its genetic origin in humans to be September 2019, and first appearing in China!!!

Dream on. Physicians have been spotting the virus since July. But these things take time to percolate.

Our intelligence community knew back in November. Trump doesn't like bad news, especially if he shut down the Pandemic Response Team. Looks bad, innit? He'd rather just let a few million die rather than be embarrassed.

Don't worry...his efforts are killing Brits, too.

In reference to the O/P...I seriously hope so...about time that commercialised and corporate robbery day was erased entirely from the calendar> I may not agree with the proponents of its original meaning, but what it has become is a travesty.

I dont need a "special day" to buy my loved ones gifts (especially my grandkids) and yet the best thing they can think of to ask me for is a week in our caravan down in our woodland in wales, bird watching, fishing, learning bushcraft and other such relatively "free" things.... That they value above all

Victorismyhero wrote:In reference to the O/P...I seriously hope so...about time that commercialised and corporate robbery day was erased entirely from the calendar> I may not agree with the proponents of its original meaning, but what it has become is a travesty.

I dont need a "special day" to buy my loved ones gifts (especially my grandkids) and yet the best thing they can think of to ask me for is a week in our caravan down in our woodland in wales, bird watching, fishing, learning bushcraft and other such relatively "free" things.... That they value above all

I agree the idea of what Christmas was about has been lost in the sounds of the ringing cash registers, the advertising is aftershave, perfume, booze and chocolate, nothing is about family, togetherness. love, helping your fellow man. sharing with others.
I used to love Christmas but the whole thing has lost it's charm it now causes more hardship, worry and trouble to families than any good.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

That is complete bullshit because the virus has been scientifically traced back to its genetic origin in humans to be September 2019, and first appearing in China!!!

Dream on. Physicians have been spotting the virus since July. But these things take time to percolate.

Our intelligence community knew back in November. Trump doesn't like bad news, especially if he shut down the Pandemic Response Team. Looks bad, innit? He'd rather just let a few million die rather than be embarrassed.

Don't worry...his efforts are killing Brits, too.

That is complete bullshit because the virus has been scientifically traced back to its genetic origin in humans to be September 2019, and first appearing in China!!!

I'll give you a like for that IMO

inmyopinion wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:In reference to the O/P...I seriously hope so...about time that commercialised and corporate robbery day was erased entirely from the calendar> I may not agree with the proponents of its original meaning, but what it has become is a travesty.

I dont need a "special day" to buy my loved ones gifts (especially my grandkids) and yet the best thing they can think of to ask me for is a week in our caravan down in our woodland in wales, bird watching, fishing, learning bushcraft and other such relatively "free" things.... That they value above all

I agree the idea of what Christmas was about has been lost in the sounds of the ringing cash registers, the advertising is aftershave, perfume, booze and chocolate, nothing is about family, togetherness. love, helping your fellow man. sharing with others.
I used to love Christmas but the whole thing has lost it's charm it now causes more hardship, worry and trouble to families than any good.

Christmas being cancelled doesn't necessarilly mean that all the spending will stop, basically it means that families wont be able to gather together, visit one another, get the grandparents and grandkids alltogether.....not if the rule of six.....or whatever it'll be come Christmas, is still in force.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Meh...you need a new government.

I know people around here who had the virus back in August, 2019.  Physicians tell me they have been seeing it since mid-year, 2019.

Even the US intelligence services identified it coming from Wuhan back in November, 2019.  Dr. Redfield of the CDC said he identified it on January 3rd.  NSA Director O'Brien told Trump, "it is the most serious security threat of your term" on January 28th.  It was announced in a Cabinet meeting on February 3rd.

Republicans and Tories sat on their hands and did nothing, while unemployment skyrocketed and the economy plunged.  Scores of deaths turned into hundreds, then thousands, thence tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands; the US it has killed 200,000 and unemployment is approaching 15%.  Bars and restaurants are closing, and events and schools are closing.

Such a shame where the previous administration in the US had it well under control.  The CDC and FDA are top-notch organizations, and the Trump administration had disbanded the very unit aimed at meeting this kind of crisis:



Too much regulation, Trump said.  What a colossal failure.  One president totally anticipated it, and the other one threw it all away!  Trump might as well have murdered 200,000 people.

That is complete bullshit because the virus has been scientifically traced back to its genetic origin in humans to be September 2019, and first appearing in China!!!

Maybe Quill knows some people in Wuhan?

Makes as much sense as the rest of the lies he spews.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

I agree the idea of what Christmas was about has been lost in the sounds of the ringing cash registers, the advertising is aftershave, perfume, booze and chocolate, nothing is about family, togetherness. love, helping your fellow man. sharing with others.
I used to love Christmas but the whole thing has lost it's charm it now causes more hardship, worry and trouble to families than any good.

Christmas being cancelled doesn't necessarilly mean that all the spending will stop, basically it means that families wont be able to gather together, visit one another, get the grandparents and grandkids alltogether.....not if the rule of six.....or whatever it'll be come Christmas, is still in force.

but the gathering with family is Christmas or rather, should be Christmas, I don't know what on earth is going on but I do hope it all comes clear eventually.

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:
Christmas being cancelled doesn't necessarilly mean that all the spending will stop, basically it means that families wont be able to gather together, visit one another, get the grandparents and grandkids alltogether.....not if the rule of six.....or whatever it'll be come Christmas, is still in force.

but the gathering with family is Christmas or rather, should be Christmas, I don't know what on earth is going on but I do hope it all comes clear eventually.

That's what I meant to say. People will always spend money, online or in shops, but family gatherings will be hit hard if the rule of 6 still applies.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

but the gathering with family is Christmas or rather, should be Christmas, I don't know what on earth is going on but I do hope it all comes clear eventually.

That's what I meant to say. People will always spend money, online or in shops, but family gatherings will be hit hard if the rule of 6 still applies.

perhaps it is time for people to say "no", the rule is stupid, I refuse to follow it.

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's what I meant to say. People will always spend money, online or in shops, but family gatherings will be hit hard if the rule of 6 still applies.

perhaps it is time for people to say "no", the rule is stupid, I refuse to follow it.

I think plenty will plenty wont.
It'll still cause a lot of disruption in families though.
I have one member in my close family who definitely will not be visiting or having visitors if the rule still applies....which will make it the first Christmas in 40 odd years he wont be with us for Christmas or Boxing day.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

perhaps it is time for people to say "no", the rule is stupid, I refuse to follow it.

I think plenty will plenty wont.
It'll still cause a lot of disruption in families though.
I have one member in my close family who definitely will not be visiting or having visitors if the rule still applies....which will make it the first Christmas in 40 odd years he wont be with us for Christmas or Boxing day.

That is very sad, I hope the gov has had a rethik by then and ealise the importance of family and Christmas.

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

perhaps it is time for people to say "no", the rule is stupid, I refuse to follow it.

I think plenty will plenty wont.
It'll still cause a lot of disruption in families though.
I have one member in my close family who definitely will not be visiting or having visitors if the rule still applies....which will make it the first Christmas in 40 odd years he wont be with us for Christmas or Boxing day.

That is very sad, I hope the gov has had a rethik by then and ealise the importance of family and Christmas.

trouble is that "important" family christmas could well be the end of granny or grandad

Maddog wrote:Maybe Quill knows some people in Wuhan?

That's unnecessary. Dr. Redfield concluded, from talking the Chinese doctors, that the pandemic was afoot. On January 4th he then conveyed his conclusion to the president.

Going back further, the US intelligence services had surmised from their sources back in November, and simply putting 2 + 2 together, that it was a pandemic. However, Trump didn't want to hear it because it ruined his plans for a lovely re-election.

Trump admitted as much on the Woodward tapes. Try listening to them.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Maybe Quill knows some people in Wuhan?

That's unnecessary.  Dr. Redfield concluded, from talking the Chinese doctors, that the pandemic was afoot.  On January 4th he then conveyed his conclusion to the president.

Going back further, the US intelligence services had surmised from their sources back in November, and simply putting 2 + 2 together, that it was a pandemic.  However, Trump didn't want to hear it because it ruined his plans for a lovely re-election.  

Trump admitted as much on the Woodward tapes.  Try listening to them.

So not August 2019 like you claimed.

Thanks for correcting yourself.

Victor wrote:trouble is that "important" family christmas could well be the end of granny or grandad

Indeed. Now that the public is wise to the fact that Tories and Republicans are playing politics with the pandemic, they are simply saying 'NO' to everything. No to school, no to shopping, no to hotels, no to restaurants, and even no to jerry-rushed vaccines. Even conservatives are saying: I can still cheer on the cause, but I'll wait and see about their advice.

It's the penguin theory...they all gather on the cliff and push and push until one in front falls in. If he doesn't get eaten by a shark, that means it's safe for all to go in.