The hypocrisy of animal lovers ,

Ooooh...controversial!

It's why I never call myself an animal lover.

I like them and respect them but I save love for humans.

Well, I may love a good steak, but that's different.

Maddog wrote:It's why I never call myself an animal lover.  

I like them and respect them but I save love for humans.  

Well, I may love a good steak, but that's different.  

And that, is a very fair and non-hypocritical statement.
No problem with that answer.

Horrible images....yet true.

I admit I am a hypocrite.

More "PETA" propaganda

its like me saying

look at VEGANS

"Vegan activists want farmers children HURT as veggie politics get VERY DARK
MILITANT VEGAN activists are targeting farmers with vicious rants saying that they want their children to be hurt because they handle animals for meat and dairy products."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/914062/vegan-diet-activists-target-farmers-hurt-children-allege-animal-abuse-Joey-Armstrong

Some might say "owning" a pet is a form of enslavement.

I wouldn't, but the more intensive animal activists will.

And the Chinese are less hypocritical. They will eat cats and dogs.

Wish they would have laid off the bats.

Victorismyhero wrote:its like me saying

look at VEGANS

"Vegan activists want farmers children HURT as veggie politics get VERY DARK
MILITANT VEGAN activists are targeting farmers with vicious rants saying that they want their children to be hurt because they handle animals for meat and dairy products."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/914062/vegan-diet-activists-target-farmers-hurt-children-allege-animal-abuse-Joey-Armstrong

Totally different point and you know it.
How about sticking to discussing the point?

Syl wrote:Horrible images....yet true.

I admit I am a hypocrite.

Honest. At least you can say what you think without throwing a different argument into the mix.
And don’t be too worrisome about it, most humans are hypocrites about something or another.

I daresay I could have a pet cow and be unable to eat it, but perfectly fine eating its relatives that I don't know as well

eddie wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:its like me saying

look at VEGANS

"Vegan activists want farmers children HURT as veggie politics get VERY DARK
MILITANT VEGAN activists are targeting farmers with vicious rants saying that they want their children to be hurt because they handle animals for meat and dairy products."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/914062/vegan-diet-activists-target-farmers-hurt-children-allege-animal-abuse-Joey-Armstrong

Totally different point and you know it.
How about sticking to discussing the point?

No its not....think about it...

1)animals are not humans, dont have human rights (and never should have)
2) even if they did vegans are saying that some animals have more rights than others... 4 legs good two legs bad, until the pigs stood on two legs......
2)vegan farming would ensure a total wipe out of what animals we have left....

I come from farm people. I know how animals are killed. But I can’t stand the sight or smell of blood and shit. Why I couldn’t hack it as a probationer nurse. It was bad enough dealing with my own kids. I can’t deal even with cleaning the cat litter. I can’t gut an animal or fish. I own it. That doesn’t make me a hypocrite eating meat. I can’t grow vegetables or run a tractor or make my own clothes. Am I a hypocrite because I am a consumer of those items?

Cass wrote:I come from farm people. I know how animals are killed.  But I can’t stand the sight or smell of blood and shit. Why I couldn’t hack it as a probationer nurse. It was bad enough dealing with my own kids. I can’t deal even with cleaning the cat litter. I can’t gut an animal or fish. I own it. That doesn’t make me a hypocrite eating meat. I can’t grow vegetables or run a tractor or make my own clothes. Am I a hypocrite because I am a consumer of those items?

You're a vegetable murderer.

And one of the reasons we eat certain animals is because some taste better than others, for most people anyway. While some people eat carnivores, they taste terrible to most people. They are also more dangerous to eat.  That's why you have to be more careful with pigs. They are "unclean" because they will eat other animals and pick up stuff.

We do the same with plants. We eat lettuce, but we dont eat maple leaves. Its because one doesn't taste very good.

But the bottom line is to kill an animal causes them fear and pain.

Human beings can survive very well without eating meat, so we kill and eat them simply because we like the taste.
It is hypocritical to say 'I am an animal lover' whilst knowing they are being killed so you can have a tasty dinner.

I was vegi for years when I was younger, I could say it then...I cant now.

For over 20 years I worked at Vermin Control on many Farms, in that time I shot Thousands of Wood pigeons, Crows and Rabbits. Now I can no longer shoot, I spend £'s on seed to feed the Pigeon and Squirrels . I also buy meat and bones to feed the Foxes that come every Night into my Garden ! I like to think I am paying something back to the Wildlife I killed !

Syl wrote:But the bottom line is to kill an animal causes them fear and pain.

Human beings can survive very well without eating meat, so we kill and eat them simply because we like the taste.
It is hypocritical to say 'I am an animal lover' whilst knowing they are being killed so you can have a tasty dinner.

I was vegi for years when I was younger, I could say it then...I cant now.

Very well is debatable. We are onnivivores. Vegetarians typically eat dairy and eggs so they do well. Vegans can have issues.

And when you're young, you can survive on pizza and beer.

Syl, no fear or pain with a quick kill, but when it comes to Halal !!!!!!!!!!!

Or, kosher. It's basically the same as Halal. The word halal in Arabic means permitted or lawful. The word kosher is Hebrew for "proper" or "fit", similar to the Arabic word halal. However, whereas Jews do not speak the name of God each time they slaughter an animal, Muslims perform a prayer over the first and last animal in any given slaughter.

Muslims are taught through the Qu'ran that all animals should be treated with respect and be well cared for. Therefore the goal in halal-style butchery is to slaughter the animal in a manner which will limit the amount of pain the animal will endure.

nicko wrote:Syl, no fear or pain with a quick kill, but when it comes to Halal !!!!!!!!!!!

The way animals are transported to slaughter houses must cause them fear, and even if it is quick, who can say how they feel before they are slaughtered?

Syl wrote:But the bottom line is to kill an animal causes them fear and pain.

Human beings can survive very well without eating meat, so we kill and eat them simply because we like the taste.
It is hypocritical to say 'I am an animal lover' whilst knowing they are being killed so you can have a tasty dinner.

I was vegi for years when I was younger, I could say it then...I cant now.

And that’s all it is. Everything else that people say is just waffle.
You can’t be an animal lover and eat meat. It simply doesn’t make sense!. I don’t even care. I don’t harm animals and I don’t like the idea of it yet I don’t spout on about loving animals....


But to say “I’m an animal lover” yet still eat meat? It’s nonsensical. Yet you’ll hear all sorts of waffle from the people who simply can’t see it.

Victorismyhero wrote:

eddie wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:its like me saying

look at VEGANS

"Vegan activists want farmers children HURT as veggie politics get VERY DARK
MILITANT VEGAN activists are targeting farmers with vicious rants saying that they want their children to be hurt because they handle animals for meat and dairy products."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/914062/vegan-diet-activists-target-farmers-hurt-children-allege-animal-abuse-Joey-Armstrong

Totally different point and you know it.
How about sticking to discussing the point?

No its not....think about it...

1)animals are not humans, dont have human rights (and never should have)
2) even if they did vegans are saying that some animals have more rights than others... 4 legs good two legs bad, until the pigs stood on two legs......
2)vegan farming would ensure a total wipe out of what animals we have left....

1)Never said animals should have human rights.
2)This thread is not about vegans.
3)This thread is not about vegans.

Next?

Let’s play Bingo!

I may have used the term "animal lover" to casually describe myself before.

That's because I like animals, I'm interested in them, I've had beloved pets, and I'm concerned with farm animals being treated cruelly and wild animals going extinct.

Yes, I eat meat. I don't eat beef, for example, because I hate cows. I think they should at least get a chance to lead a normal cow life before they're slaughtered for their meat.

At the same time, I continue to support the current animal farming system by my eating habits, because I can't fix the world and I like meat.

Does that make me not a by-the-book, dictionary-definition animal lover? Perhaps so. I'll settle for "animal liker" or "animal fan" if my above-mentioned concerns and feelings matter in this debate.

I’ll add that post to the bingo.

“I sort of care about animals but erm, I like some better than others..I will care but I don’t really”

Okay, so let's express this in a different way:

Nobody who eats meat loves animals.

Is that true?

Ben Reilly wrote:Okay, so let's express this in a different way:

Nobody who eats meat loves animals.

Is that true?

They love the ones they don’t eat.

eddie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Okay, so let's express this in a different way:

Nobody who eats meat loves animals.

Is that true?

They love the ones they don’t eat.

I just think it's a bit unfair, it sounds like you're saying everyone who eats meat doesn't care about the treatment of animals.

I mean, it's the system. I could say that if you care about human beings, you don't buy any product that was made by exploited workers. If you care about human beings, you shouldn't own a computer or smartphone, because they're built by people who live and work in factories where they work 100-hour weeks and earn a little over £300 per month.

I won't throw away my phone, so I guess that means I don't give a shit about humans or animals. I'll stop being a hypocrite, I guess. I care neither about animals nor people; they can all rot.

So is Eddie going to police all animals from killing other animals?

I mean you love animals right?

What is she doing to stop animals being killed by other animals?

Or is that okay?

How about spiders Eddie? Do you make an exception for insects?

You see eddie your own argument based on hypocrisy can be thrown back right at you

Nothing worse than a vegetarian thinking they are morally superior, when they are the worst hypocrites, when they use some moral standing like this

I love eating meat. I also can and do love some animals. For example I do not love camels, snakes, skunks etc yet i do love dogs. I do not eat any of them though.

Hence your argument is absurd, as I do not love all animals, some I think are a complete pest. At the end of the day humans only eat a small number of types of animals. So no I do not love cows, sheep, pigs, deer etc, but I certainly love eating them..

Everyone has a right to choose what animals they like and which ones they wish to eat.

Eddie never claimed to be an animal lover, though.

Ben Reilly wrote:Eddie never claimed to be an animal lover, though.

So you are saying Eddie does not love animals then?

Or does she like certain types of animals?

If the later then her whole thread has been utterly hypocritical

As we all have certain types of animals we love

That does not make people hypocrites if they eat meat

[quote="eddie"]

Victorismyhero wrote:

eddie wrote:

Victorismyhero wrote:its like me saying

look at VEGANS

"Vegan activists want farmers children HURT as veggie politics get VERY DARK
MILITANT VEGAN activists are targeting farmers with vicious rants saying that they want their children to be hurt because they handle animals for meat and dairy products."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/914062/vegan-diet-activists-target-farmers-hurt-children-allege-animal-abuse-Joey-Armstrong

Totally different point and you know it.
How about sticking to discussing the point?

No its not....think about it...

1)animals are not humans, dont have human rights (and never should have)
2) even if they did vegans are saying that some animals have more rights than others... 4 legs good two legs bad, until the pigs stood on two legs......
2)vegan farming would ensure a total wipe out of what animals we have left....

1)Never said animals should have human rights.
2)This thread is not about vegans.
3)This thread is not about vegans.


yes it is because its vegan propaganda

I despise cats.

Still won't eat one.

So I guess I won't eat animals I don't like.

Victorismyhero wrote:

eddie wrote:

1)Never said animals should have human rights.
2)This thread is not about vegans.
3)This thread is not about vegans.


yes it is because its vegan propaganda

Haha...you're gettin' a little sketchy there, Vic. If it's propaganda, there should be a little seal, like a union label. It would look like this...



...placed in the lower, right-hand corner.

modern propaganda relies on anonymity/accountability

Victorismyhero wrote:modern propaganda relies on anonymity/accountability

The Vegan movement has already gone public. Incidentally, there's a European model, with a yellow leaf instead of green.

It's very hard not to be a hypocrite these days.

So much of what people do harms animals, nature and the environment, in different ways.

You'd practically have to live like a caveman in order to only do a small amount of harm to the natural world.

Ben Reilly wrote:It's very hard not to be a hypocrite these days.

So much of what people do harms animals, nature and the environment, in different ways.

You'd practically have to live like a caveman in order to only do a small amount of harm to the natural world.

And doing that would lead to massive starvation for humans. We cant have 7 billion hunter/gatherers on this planet. We need modern farming techniques whether it's for meat or vegetables.

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:It's very hard not to be a hypocrite these days.

So much of what people do harms animals, nature and the environment, in different ways.

You'd practically have to live like a caveman in order to only do a small amount of harm to the natural world.

And doing that would lead to massive starvation for humans. We cant have 7 billion hunter/gatherers on this planet.  We need modern farming techniques whether it's for meat or vegetables.  

I agree. That's why I think it's a bit unfair to call, say, an environmentalist a hypocrite if he drives a car. He may just have no other way to get to work.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

And doing that would lead to massive starvation for humans. We cant have 7 billion hunter/gatherers on this planet.  We need modern farming techniques whether it's for meat or vegetables.  

I agree. That's why I think it's a bit unfair to call, say, an environmentalist a hypocrite if he drives a car. He may just have no other way to get to work.

He or she could drive a small car though.

And move close to work.

I have friends that don't drive to work. It requires living in certain areas though.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:It's very hard not to be a hypocrite these days.

So much of what people do harms animals, nature and the environment, in different ways.

You'd practically have to live like a caveman in order to only do a small amount of harm to the natural world.

And doing that would lead to massive starvation for humans. We cant have 7 billion hunter/gatherers on this planet.  We need modern farming techniques whether it's for meat or vegetables.  

I agree. That's why I think it's a bit unfair to call, say, an environmentalist a hypocrite if he drives a car. He may just have no other way to get to work.

Disagree...that environmentalist can either move closer to his work, or take a different job (even if its on less pay) closer to home so he can walk or cycle....IF he feel unable to do that then he IS a hypocrite, preferring the life style of modern life, but supporting that which would for most people involve a massive drop in standards of living......

Walk or cycle in Dallas. They don't even have sidewalks.