Canceling elections? Russian plot?

Now Ohio, Illinois and Arizona are thinking of canceling the primaries. Is this a prelude to canceling the full election in November? We know that Republicans are now swearing fealty to the Russians...is this Russia's next move?

What would happen if they did that? Would we assume that Trump continues as president? Or would we deem him as a non-president as a result of not being elected.

Original Quill wrote:Now Ohio, Illinois and Arizona are thinking of canceling the primaries.  Is this a prelude to canceling the full election in November?  We know that Republicans are now swearing fealty to the Russians...is this Russia's next move?

What would happen if they did that?  Would we assume that Trump continues as president?  Or would we deem him as a non-president as a result of not being elected.

Is there a good case to be made here that this is why you guys don't just have all your primaries on one day - instead of spreading them out over a ridiculous 6 months?

One possibility --  if they had to postpone the November elections for a year, or another four years if need be --  could be to dissolve Trump's executive body...

Have Team Trump sit down with Pelosi, Biden, Sanders & co.,  and effectively create a bipartisan "war cabinet" for the duration..

And 'ring that bell' as if it were World War II all over again ?

Russians are hoping to extend the Trump presidency.  Trump would demand that he stay in office, and what's to replace him?

Everything seems to be aimed at this: no testing, no equipment; no hospital beds, telling the people to stay away from being in public.  Everything seems to be aimed at pulling people apart, and democracy if it is anything, is about people getting together. This seems to be a strategic plan to frustrate democracy, and keep Trump in office after his tenure.

All he needs is one Brigade commander, and he's been able to recruit General Flynn, General Kelly...wouldn't be hard to do.

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Now Ohio, Illinois and Arizona are thinking of canceling the primaries.  Is this a prelude to canceling the full election in November?  We know that Republicans are now swearing fealty to the Russians...is this Russia's next move?

What would happen if they did that?  Would we assume that Trump continues as president?  Or would we deem him as a non-president as a result of not being elected.

Is there a good case to be made here that this is why you guys don't just have all your primaries on one day - instead of spreading them out over a ridiculous 6 months?

Well, voting has always been a state law matter. You gotta remember that the US was invented out of some independent states that were united...hence, the United States. And tho the final election is set for the first Tuesday in November of the 4th year, the primaries are set by state law.

But I'm talking about the general election. Suppose they said a virus takes precedence, and voting is canceled this time...get back to you later. Trump would immediately demand that his tenure be extended, even though there is nothing to legitimize his status past January 20th.

What result?

Original Quill wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Now Ohio, Illinois and Arizona are thinking of canceling the primaries.  Is this a prelude to canceling the full election in November?  We know that Republicans are now swearing fealty to the Russians...is this Russia's next move?

What would happen if they did that?  Would we assume that Trump continues as president?  Or would we deem him as a non-president as a result of not being elected.

Is there a good case to be made here that this is why you guys don't just have all your primaries on one day - instead of spreading them out over a ridiculous 6 months?

Well, voting has always been a state law matter.  You gotta remember that the US was invented out of some independent states that were united...hence, the United States.  And tho the final election is set for the first Tuesday in November of the 4th year, the primaries are set by state law.

But I'm talking about the general election.  Suppose they said a virus takes precedence, and voting is canceled this time...get back to you later.  Trump would immediately demand that his tenure be extended, even though there is nothing to legitimize his status past January 20th.

What result?

Can you imagine there being no election? In the worst case they'll wrap up the primaries at some point before the convention. If the virus is worse or still a threat by November then surely there is a good call to postpone the General Election. If not, then it should be fine.

I don't personally see this being part of any conspiracy. Although less important, the UK just cancelled this years local elections. Some things are more important.

"Reds under the Bed" Quill ? your nuts !

nicko wrote:  "Reds under the Bed"  Quill ?  your nuts !

You think everybody is nuts but you; don't you see the irony in that statement?

nicko wrote:  "Reds under the Bed"  Quill ?  your nuts !

Yeah, nick.  They called people who predicted Trump would be elected, nuts too. He got appointed by the electoral college.  They said Trump would settle down once he learned the job; he imposed travel restrictions on Muslims, and caged children.  Last week Trump said the coronavirus would be over by the weekend; it's just beginning to peak.

It's the age of nutzy is normal.

Well, if this is a Russian plot they have defacto declared war on the rest of the world.

Maddog wrote:Well, if this is a Russian plot they have defacto declared war on the rest of the world.  

Um...you think?

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Now Ohio, Illinois and Arizona are thinking of canceling the primaries.  Is this a prelude to canceling the full election in November?  We know that Republicans are now swearing fealty to the Russians...is this Russia's next move?

What would happen if they did that?  Would we assume that Trump continues as president?  Or would we deem him as a non-president as a result of not being elected.

Is there a good case to be made here that this is why you guys don't just have all your primaries on one day - instead of spreading them out over a ridiculous 6 months?

That's how we used to do it. Ws just had a convention and a candidate was chosen. Libertarians still do it that way.

But a better question is why didnt you bring up the stupidity of someone thinking this virus is a Russian plot to stop our elections?

Maddog wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Is there a good case to be made here that this is why you guys don't just have all your primaries on one day - instead of spreading them out over a ridiculous 6 months?

That's how we used to do it.  Ws just had a convention and a candidate was chosen.  Libertarians still do it that way.  

But a better question is why didnt you bring up the stupidity of someone thinking this virus is a Russian plot to stop our elections?

Another passenger on the Titanic, rearranging the deck chairs.

Maddog wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Now Ohio, Illinois and Arizona are thinking of canceling the primaries.  Is this a prelude to canceling the full election in November?  We know that Republicans are now swearing fealty to the Russians...is this Russia's next move?

What would happen if they did that?  Would we assume that Trump continues as president?  Or would we deem him as a non-president as a result of not being elected.

Is there a good case to be made here that this is why you guys don't just have all your primaries on one day - instead of spreading them out over a ridiculous 6 months?

That's how we used to do it.  Ws just had a convention and a candidate was chosen.  Libertarians still do it that way.  

But a better question is why didnt you bring up the stupidity of someone thinking this virus is a Russian plot to stop our elections?

I addressed that aspect in my second post tbf

Eilzel wrote:

Maddog wrote:

That's how we used to do it.  Ws just had a convention and a candidate was chosen.  Libertarians still do it that way.  

But a better question is why didnt you bring up the stupidity of someone thinking this virus is a Russian plot to stop our elections?

I addressed that aspect in my second post tbf

My bad.

And Bernie is talking about stopping the primaries anyway. Maybe he's on the Russuan payroll? Trump doesnt need a primary.

Les wrote:I don't personally see this being part of any conspiracy. Although less important, the UK just cancelled this years local elections. Some things are more important.

Maybe you have overlooked the key point: this is altering the constitutional form of government. Have we so taken for granted our god-given rights that we are dismissing them with a shrug?

Perhaps we need to look at the situation as a chess board. I can guarantee you that the best chess players are seeing it that way. After the move immediately before you, you should be thinking five moves ahead: if Bishop takes pawn-3, he is in a position to leave the King exposed and unprotected.

If the public cannot go to the polls, no president is elected. If no president is elected, the existing order will remain...and a Russian agent will be permanently assigned the King's position. One after the other, that's how the KGB did it in Africa and South America.

The US is proving itself just another Banana Republic.

Original Quill wrote:

Les wrote:I don't personally see this being part of any conspiracy. Although less important, the UK just cancelled this years local elections. Some things are more important.

Maybe you have overlooked the key point: this is altering the constitutional form of government.  Have we so taken for granted our god-given rights that we are dismissing them with a shrug?

Perhaps we need to look at the situation as a chess board.  I can guarantee you that the best chess players are seeing it that way.  After the move immediately before you, you should be thinking five moves ahead: if Bishop takes pawn-3, he is in a position to leave the King exposed and unprotected.

If the public cannot go to the polls, no president is elected.  If no president is elected, the existing order will remain...and a Russian agent will be permanently assigned the King's position.  One after the other, that's how the KGB did it in Africa and South America.

The US is proving itself just another Banana Republic.

The problem there is the word 'permanent'.

This is not a permanent pandemic. It will pass. In the worst case scenario Trump is left in a little longer. The worst case. And if that happens, it will likely happen in other countries too, as a result of the virus.

And when it (the virus) passes, you'll have you elections. And can expect the administrations handling of the pandemic to be crucial in whether Trump gets a second term.

That's the worst case. More likely is the virus will have passed before then and the elections will go ahead as planned.

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Maybe you have overlooked the key point: this is altering the constitutional form of government.  Have we so taken for granted our god-given rights that we are dismissing them with a shrug?

Perhaps we need to look at the situation as a chess board.  I can guarantee you that the best chess players are seeing it that way.  After the move immediately before you, you should be thinking five moves ahead: if Bishop takes pawn-3, he is in a position to leave the King exposed and unprotected.

If the public cannot go to the polls, no president is elected.  If no president is elected, the existing order will remain...and a Russian agent will be permanently assigned the King's position.  One after the other, that's how the KGB did it in Africa and South America.

The US is proving itself just another Banana Republic.

The problem there is the word 'permanent'.

This is not a permanent pandemic. It will pass. In the worst case scenario Trump is left in a little longer. The worst case. And if that happens, it will likely happen in other countries too, as a result of the virus.

And when it (the virus) passes, you'll have you elections. And can expect the administrations handling of the pandemic to be crucial in whether Trump gets a second term.

That's the worst case. More likely is the virus will have passed before then and the elections will go ahead as planned.

You're assuming the Russians don't have a new virus they are about to unleash on the Chinese to stall our elections.

Les wrote:This is not a permanent pandemic. It will pass. In the worst case scenario Trump is left in a little longer. The worst case. And if that happens, it will likely happen in other countries too, as a result of the virus.

"Trump is left in a little longer?" Who says stop?

Once you break the rules, there are no rules to put back what was taken away.