What has the LGBT community got against lesbians?

[Guest]

First topic message reminder :

Everywhere you look, there are reminders of how little the safety and wellbeing of lesbian women is valued. We can’t seem to escape violence and vilification. Especially since, in recent months, a lot of it has come from within the LGBT communities we helped build.

This year, an endless string of physical attacks has been reported in the news. In London, for example, a group of young men assaulted a lesbian couple on a bus after the two women refused to kiss for their entertainment. The teenagers responsible were charged last week. Then, Ellie-Mae Mulholland, an 18-year-old lesbian from Walsall Garth, was beaten black and blue by assailants who told her “you and your girlfriend are going to get it 10 times worse next time”. In Chile’s Fifth region, multiple butch lesbians have been assaulted and murdered.

Lesbians need as much support now as we ever did. But even within LGBT spheres, where we are – at least theoretically – part of the community, lesbians are now being vilified. For decades, gay and lesbian rights advocates fought for our sexualities to be accepted as legitimate.

But on Twitter the word lesbian has become a suspicious ‘TERF dogwhistle’. TERF is a nasty term. It stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist and is used, in particular, to describe lesbian feminists, because we aren’t always willing to toe the latest ideological line when it comes to gender. It has also become synonymous with being subhuman.


https://unherd.com/2019/07/why-has-the-lgbt-community-turned-against-lesbians/?=sideshare

[JulesV]

The extremists are those on one side who think homosexuals should be persecuted/arrested/imprisoned/executed... and on the other extreme where others think homosexuality should be lorded as being as normal and natural as heterosexuality and given the same status as well as taught to children that it is such... plus letting them get married in the same way (although impossible to consummate marriage or produce children etc)... plus considered as viable parents for adoptive children although this forced the child into an unnatural environment and deprives child of a mother and a father which is the natural thing for them and the best parental environment for them...


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their behaviour free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence... but also no to the promotion of homosexuality as being in any way parity to heterosexuality, and no to all their other demands around marriage and adoption, and no to any promotion in schools...!

The choice of word there is very telling. 
Gayness is not a ''behaviour''. It's an innate genetic &/or cerebral trait.
RW homophobics tend to describe homosexuality as a *behaviour*. Dead giveaway, that word. 

[Tommy Monk]

The extremists are those on one side who think homosexuals should be persecuted/arrested/imprisoned/executed... and on the other extreme where others think homosexuality should be lorded as being as normal and natural as heterosexuality and given the same status as well as taught to children that it is such... plus letting them get married in the same way (although impossible to consummate marriage or produce children etc)... plus considered as viable parents for adoptive children although this forced the child into an unnatural environment and deprives child of a mother and a father which is the natural thing for them and the best parental environment for them...


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their behaviour free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence... but also no to the promotion of homosexuality as being in any way parity to heterosexuality, and no to all their other demands around marriage and adoption, and no to any promotion in schools...!

That you think murdering gay people is COMPARABLY extreme to letting gay people get married just shows the extent of your delusion on this.

Your views aren't middle ground. They are one step away from Victorian puritanism

My view is centre ground... you think homosexuals should have it all... while the other extreme is that homosexuals should be persecuted/imprisoned/executed etc...


I am against the two extremes...

[Syl]

That you think murdering gay people is COMPARABLY extreme to letting gay people get married just shows the extent of your delusion on this.

Your views aren't middle ground. They are one step away from Victorian puritanism

My view is centre ground... you think homosexuals should have it all... while the other extreme is that homosexuals should be persecuted/imprisoned/executed etc...


I am against the two extremes...

But what do homosexuals actually want that hetrosexuals dont already have Tommy?

[Tommy Monk]

The extremists are those on one side who think homosexuals should be persecuted/arrested/imprisoned/executed... and on the other extreme where others think homosexuality should be lorded as being as normal and natural as heterosexuality and given the same status as well as taught to children that it is such... plus letting them get married in the same way (although impossible to consummate marriage or produce children etc)... plus considered as viable parents for adoptive children although this forced the child into an unnatural environment and deprives child of a mother and a father which is the natural thing for them and the best parental environment for them...


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their behaviour free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence... but also no to the promotion of homosexuality as being in any way parity to heterosexuality, and no to all their other demands around marriage and adoption, and no to any promotion in schools...!

The choice of word there is very telling. 
Gayness is not a ''behaviour''. It's an innate genetic &/or cerebral trait.
RW homophobics tend to describe homosexuality as a *behaviour*. Dead giveaway, that word. 

There is no gay gene... so it is either a brain abnormality or damage of some sort... or caused by something else as yet unknown... but it is exhibited by their behaviour...


I am grammatically correct in my use of language...

[JulesV]

The choice of word there is very telling. 
Gayness is not a ''behaviour''. It's an innate genetic &/or cerebral trait.
RW homophobics tend to describe homosexuality as a *behaviour*. Dead giveaway, that word. 

There is no gay gene...
so it is either a brain abnormality or damage of some sort...
or caused by something else as yet unknown... but it is exhibited by their behaviour...

I am grammatically correct in my use of language...

This is not helping. 
Your choice of words is getting worse and getting you deeper into the hole you dug.
Cheerio.

[Tommy Monk]

You said it was a 'cerebral trait'... ie brain disorder/damage etc...

[Eilzel]

That you think murdering gay people is COMPARABLY extreme to letting gay people get married just shows the extent of your delusion on this.

Your views aren't middle ground. They are one step away from Victorian puritanism

My view is centre ground... you think homosexuals should have it all... while the other extreme is that homosexuals should be persecuted/imprisoned/executed etc...


I am against the two extremes...

But what do homosexuals actually want that hetrosexuals dont already have Tommy?

Nothing.

But for an extremist like him, treating gay people like everyone else is not right. We should be discriminated against.

He is blinded by hate.

Also, I got a red stripe above, I see. Anyone want to own it and explain why?

[Andy]

Happy to counterbalance Tommy's nauseating red stripe, Lez. Have a green.

[Syl]

I'm too late, I was just going to do that.

[JulesV]

But what do homosexuals actually want that hetrosexuals dont already have Tommy?

Nothing.

But for an extremist like him, treating gay people like everyone else is not right. We should be discriminated against.

He is blinded by hate.


Also, I got a red stripe above, I see. Anyone want to own it and explain why?

Andy gave you a green to cancel it out.
Have another green from me for raising the issue of red stripes.
Red-striping is completely abused in this forum.
In some threads there is so much red awarded it looks like a blood bath in  a war zone.

It is cowardly to just give red stripes silently and then run away.
This is why I have never awarded any and never will.

[JulesV]

@Ben - I wonder if you would consider scrapping the red thing, and just leaving the green?

I know it's not an issue of massive importance but it's annoying cos it encourages secrecy, spite & snidy behaviour. 

People should be articulate enough to say what they think in words, and upfront enough to actually say it.

[Tommy Monk]

No red stripes on this thread from me... yet...

[Tommy Monk]

But what do homosexuals actually want that hetrosexuals dont already have Tommy?

Nothing.

But for an extremist like him, treating gay people like everyone else is not right. We should be discriminated against.

He is blinded by hate.

Also, I got a red stripe above, I see. Anyone want to own it and explain why?

I have already explained that I think homosexuals should be free from oppression and persecution etc...

Homosexuality should be decriminalised... not normalised... and not taught to children as a normal or natural lifestyle choice... homosexuality should not be promoted in schools in any way, which was what section 28 was about ensuring... and adoptive children should only be placed with a mother and a father in a normal and natural heterosexual relationship...


Simple straight forward common sense middle of the road view on it all!

[Original Quill]

Red-striping is completely abused in this forum.

It's didge. He stalks the threads to hand out reds that oppose his views. It's futile. Reds don't count on the reputation score.

[Original Quill]

Homosexuality should be decriminalised... not normalised... and not taught to children as a normal or natural lifestyle choice... homosexuality should not be promoted in schools in any way...

How do you feel about spelling? It's far less natural than homosexuality.

[Guest]

Why are people wasting their time even arguing with Tommy on this. He is very unlikely to ever change his mind being the very bigoted and hateful person he ois towards homosexuals. Hence why entertain his need for attention on this? He simple enjoys people getting wound up on this and he loves it.

Hence he is dragging in people to reply, as he gets off on insulting the gay community. So let him remain ignorant and be hateful. If he wishes to lead his life this way. That is his choice. So allow him to remain ignorant

[Raggamuffin]

@Ben - I wonder if you would consider scrapping the red thing, and just leaving the green?

I know it's not an issue of massive importance but it's annoying cos it encourages secrecy, spite & snidy behaviour. 

People should be articulate enough to say what they think in words, and upfront enough to actually say it.

Greens aren't any better. I've seen people get a green for the most abusive posts.

[Tommy Monk]

But what do homosexuals actually want that hetrosexuals dont already have Tommy?

Nothing.

But for an extremist like him, treating gay people like everyone else is not right. We should be discriminated against.

He is blinded by hate.

Also, I got a red stripe above, I see. Anyone want to own it and explain why?

I'm more than happy to treat homosexuals like everyone else...


Find a partner of the opposite sex and get married, if you want... just like everyone else... homosexuality wasn't decriminalised so as to allow homosexuals to start getting married... marriage is between a man and a woman... anything else is an absurdity...


If you are in a loving and stable relationship that can provide a mother and a father to a child needing to be adopted... then you are more than welcome to apply... just like everyone else who is able to fulfil these requirements in the best interests of the child... homosexuality wasn't decriminalised so as to allow homosexuals to adopt children into their perverse relationship in order to somehow seek to validate and legitimise it, and with total disregard of the best interests of the vulnerable child concerned, who's best interests would only be served by being placed with a mother and a father...!


Schools should only teach the explaination of the fundamental basics of sex education of the normal and natural kind that is the basis of reproduction of all humans and animals as well as explaining plant life reproduction... and to explain the basics of how to have safe sex that avoids unwanted pregnancies and protection against STDs... and it is not the job of schools to advocate/promote any other abnormal/unnatural/deviant sexual practices to children... this gives the same basic knowledge to everyone about the way everybody in life and in history has come to be in existence... which is all that needs to be said...

[Original Quill]

Find a partner of the opposite sex and get married, if you want... just like everyone else... homosexuality wasn't decriminalised so as to allow homosexuals to start getting married... marriage is between a man and a woman... anything else is an absurdity...

You are one ignorant mudder-fooker. Stop your embarrassment, tommy. Homosexuality is now legal. Find a partner of the same sex if you want, and get married.

Nobody gives a fook.

[Syl]

In an ideal world no one would use the words homo or hetro sexual.
We are all just human beings, with dreams and ambitions.
Some of us dream of marriage and children, not everyone can have children biologically so there are other ways, fertility treatment, adoption, fostering, surragacy, they not be the 'natural' way but they are the accepted way.
Why resent anyone for fulfilling their dream of parenting and loving a child?

[Tommy Monk]

Find a partner of the opposite sex and get married, if you want... just like everyone else... homosexuality wasn't decriminalised so as to allow homosexuals to start getting married... marriage is between a man and a woman... anything else is an absurdity...

You are one ignorant mudder-fooker.  Stop your embarrassment, tommy.  Homosexuality is now legal.  Find a partner of the same sex if you want, and get married.

Nobody gives a fook.

Vast majority of the people of the world think it's wrong... and homosexual marriage is not even allowed in some of the UK!!!

[Original Quill]

You are one ignorant mudder-fooker.  Stop your embarrassment, tommy.  Homosexuality is now legal.  Find a partner of the same sex if you want, and get married.

Nobody gives a fook.

Vast majority of the people of the world think it's wrong... and homosexual marriage is not even allowed in some of the UK!!!

I can remember when the vast majority of the people in Europe thought Jews were evil. Popularity is not the measure of truth.

[Tommy Monk]

Conflate waffle...

[Original Quill]

Conflate waffle...

Popularity is not the measure of truth, tommy. If it were, you wouldn't need science or facts.

[gelico]

My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their behaviour free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

why do you say ''behaviour''? wouldn't it be more appropriate to say


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their lives free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

saying behaviour implies straightaway that it is wrong

[Tommy Monk]

My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their behaviour free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

why do you say ''behaviour''?  wouldn't it be more appropriate to say


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their lives free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

saying behaviour implies straightaway that it is wrong

I disagree... as it is the behaviour that is the defining factor... and which was decriminalised...

[gelico]

why do you say ''behaviour''?  wouldn't it be more appropriate to say


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their lives free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

saying behaviour implies straightaway that it is wrong

I disagree... as it is the behaviour that is the defining factor... and which was decriminalised...

tommy, the sex was decriminalised

their 'behaviour' would be much the same as anyone else's

you know,,,,,,get up, have breakfast, go off to work, do housework, do shopping, watch netflix, have arguments, play cards, go out with friends

that's behaviour

[Original Quill]

Statistics show that straight people are much more apt to engage in predatory sexual behavior.

[Tommy Monk]

Gelico... I was referring specifically to their sexual behaviour... as you well know...


Although I think you'll find that the vast majority of any arrests and prosecutions in many a year before decriminalisation, were not for being homosexual at all... but for public indecency and lewd behaviour etc... and would still be arrested and prosecuted today if caught behaving in the same way as they were then...

[Tommy Monk]

Statistics show that straight people are much more apt to engage in predatory sexual behavior.

Actually... statistics show that around a third of convicted paedophiles are men who target only boys...!

[gelico]

Gelico... I was referring specifically to their sexual behaviour... as you well know...


Although I think you'll find that the vast majority of any arrests and prosecutions in many a year before decriminalisation, were not for being homosexual at all... but for public indecency and lewd behaviour etc... and would still be arrested and prosecuted today if caught behaving in the same way as they were then...

public indecency and lewd behaviour can just as well be between a straight couple who would no doubt be arrested and prosecuted so,,,,,

why are you so obsessed over their sexual behaviour

i'm pretty sure you think about gay sex way more than a gay man thinks about gay sex

[eddie]

Statistics show that straight people are much more apt to engage in predatory sexual behavior.

Actually... statistics show that around a third of convicted paedophiles are men who target only boys...!

So you think all gays are perverts?

[Tommy Monk]

Gelico... I was referring specifically to their sexual behaviour... as you well know...


Although I think you'll find that the vast majority of any arrests and prosecutions in many a year before decriminalisation, were not for being homosexual at all... but for public indecency and lewd behaviour etc... and would still be arrested and prosecuted today if caught behaving in the same way as they were then...

public indecency and lewd behaviour can just as well be between a straight couple who would no doubt be arrested and prosecuted so,,,,,

why are you so obsessed over their sexual behaviour

i'm pretty sure you think about gay sex way more than a gay man thinks about gay sex

I was referring to the behaviour of homosexuals who hung around in gents public toilets...


So hardly a comparison from you above there gelico...

[Original Quill]

Statistics show that straight people are much more apt to engage in predatory sexual behavior.

Actually... statistics show that around a third of convicted paedophiles are men who target only boys...!

Which they learned in prison. They are not gay.

[Tommy Monk]

Actually... statistics show that around a third of convicted paedophiles are men who target only boys...!

Which they learned in prison.  They are not gay.

No... they are paedophiles who targeted boys only... for which they ended up being caught for... then prosecuted for... then convicted for...

[Ben Reilly]

My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their behaviour free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

why do you say ''behaviour''?  wouldn't it be more appropriate to say


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their lives free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

saying behaviour implies straightaway that it is wrong

I disagree... as it is the behaviour that is the defining factor... and which was decriminalised...

For someone who says you don't think gay people deserve persecution, you certainly seem to feel quite strongly that there's something wrong with them. And you seem to feel more strongly about it than you should, actually -- it makes me wonder.

[gelico]

hey tommy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IslF_EyhMzg


you'll have fun

[Tommy Monk]

I disagree... as it is the behaviour that is the defining factor... and which was decriminalised...

For someone who says you don't think gay people deserve persecution, you certainly seem to feel quite strongly that there's something wrong with them. And you seem to feel more strongly about it than you should, actually -- it makes me wonder.

Maybe you should concentrate more on the strength of my argument rather than speculating on your irrelevant thoughts about how you perceive the strength of my feeling to be...?


Aren't you supposed to be addressing the post, and not the poster...?

[Eilzel]

why do you say ''behaviour''?  wouldn't it be more appropriate to say


My views are very middle ground on it all... let them get on with their lives free from persecution and threats of criminality and violence...

saying behaviour implies straightaway that it is wrong

I disagree... as it is the behaviour that is the defining factor... and which was decriminalised...

tommy, the sex was decriminalised

their 'behaviour' would be much the same as anyone else's

you know,,,,,,get up, have breakfast, go off to work, do housework, do shopping, watch netflix, have arguments, play cards, go out with friends

that's behaviour

Great post . But most homophobes don't see it that way. Though I'm a bit of a cuntophobe myself. And while not everything about a person makes them a cvnt, certain behaviour certainly does define one as a cvnt. There are a few examples that come to mind

[Eilzel]

I disagree... as it is the behaviour that is the defining factor... and which was decriminalised...

For someone who says you don't think gay people deserve persecution, you certainly seem to feel quite strongly that there's something wrong with them. And you seem to feel more strongly about it than you should, actually -- it makes me wonder.

Maybe you should concentrate more on the strength of my argument rather than speculating on your irrelevant thoughts about how you perceive the strength of my feeling to be...?


Aren't you supposed to be addressing the post, and not the poster...?

There is no strength in your argument. You cite 'most of the world' being against homosexuality as supporting your views - ignoring the fact 'most' people once condoned slavery, believed the world was flat and so and so on.

And that most of the countries you'd be referring to are third world nations whose views you would otherwise have little in common, but use only because they support you here. Are you a Christian or Muslim fundamentalist, tommy? Unlikely. Do you believe in treating women as subservient? Outlawing blasphemy or the criticism of authority figures? Unlikely.

You'd say those views are backwards.

This is another such case.

[Tommy Monk]

Waffle...

[Original Quill]

Which they learned in prison.  They are not gay.

No... they are paedophiles who targeted boys only... for which they ended up being caught for... then prosecuted for... then convicted for...

Tommy, you are making this up. Gay men are not ipso facto pǽdophiles, just as cats are not ipso facto dogs because they have four legs.

[Raggamuffin]

No... they are paedophiles who targeted boys only... for which they ended up being caught for... then prosecuted for... then convicted for...

Tommy, you are making this up.  Gay men are not ipso facto pǽdophiles, just as cats are not ipso facto dogs because they have four legs.

Tommy didn't say they were. He was counteracting your claim that men who abuse boys only do so after they've been sent to prison.

[Original Quill]

Tommy, you are making this up.  Gay men are not ipso facto pǽdophiles, just as cats are not ipso facto dogs because they have four legs.

Tommy didn't say they were. He was counteracting your claim that men who abuse boys only do so after they've been sent to prison.

So, you and he admit my point without rebuttal. I'll accept that.

[Guest]

Tommy, you are making this up.  Gay men are not ipso facto pǽdophiles, just as cats are not ipso facto dogs because they have four legs.

Tommy didn't say they were. He was counteracting your claim that men who abuse boys only do so after they've been sent to prison.

That is not what tommy said and many of those convicted that abuse boys, are in hetrosexual relationships

[Raggamuffin]

Tommy didn't say they were. He was counteracting your claim that men who abuse boys only do so after they've been sent to prison.

That is not what tommy said and many of those convicted that abuse boys, are in hetrosexual relationships

I know it's not what Tommy said, it's what Quilll said.

[Syl]

That is not what tommy said and many of those convicted that abuse boys, are in hetrosexual relationships

I know it's not what Tommy said, it's what Quilll said.

I agree....Tommy said no such thing.
Why cant people read posts properly?

[Guest]

Red-striping is completely abused in this forum.

It's didge.  He stalks the threads to hand out reds that oppose his views.  It's futile.  Reds don't count on the reputation score.

Why would I give Eilzel a red on something i agree with him on?

[Original Quill]

Homosexuality and Pedophila: The False Link

Joe Kort, Ph.D., Certified Sex and Relationship Therapist

Updated Feb 02, 2016

It is so hard to believe that people are still trying to use the purported link between pedophilia and homosexuality. The old, tired argument that pedophilia is linked with homosexuality is wrong on many levels.

First, we need to clarify our definitions. When discussing sexual abuse and molestation of children, there’s often conflict over terminology. One frequently quoted researcher on the topic of homosexuality and child molestation, Gregory Herek, a research psychologist at the University of California, defines pedophilia as “a psychosexual disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners, which may or may not be acted upon.” He defines child sexual abuse as “actual sexual contact between an adult and someone who has not reached the legal age of consent.” Not all pedophiles actually molest children, he points out. A pedophile may be attracted to children but never actually engage in sexual contact with them. Quite often, pedophiles never develop a sexual orientation toward other adults.

Herek points out that child molestation and child sexual abuse refer to “actions,” without implying any “particular psychological makeup or motive on the part of the perpetrator.” In other words, not all incidents of child sexual abuse are perpetrated by pedophiles. Pedophilia can be viewed as a kind of sexual fetish, wherein the person requires the mental image of a child — not necessarily a flesh-and-blood child — to achieve sexual gratification.

Rarely does a pedophile experience sexual desire for adults of either gender. They usually don’t identify as homosexual; the majority identify as heterosexual, even those who abuse children of the same gender. They are sexually aroused by extreme youth, not by gender.

In contrast, child molesters often exert power and control over children in an effort to dominate them. They do experience sexual desire for adults but molest children episodically, for reasons apart from sexual desire, much as rapists enjoy power, violence, and controlling their humiliated victims. Indeed, research strongly suggests that a child molester isn’t any more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual.

In fact, some research shows that for pedophiles, the gender of the child is immaterial. Accessibility is more the factor in whom a pedophile abuses. This may explain the high incidence of children molested in church communities and fraternal organizations, where the pedophile may more easily have access to children.

In these situations, an adult male is trusted by those around him, including children and their families. Males are often given access to boys to mentor, teach, coach, and advise. Therefore, a male pedophile may have easier access to a male child. In trying to make sense of an adult male’s sexually abusing a male child, many of us mislabel it as an act of homosexuality, which it isn’t.

Feminists have argued for years that rape is not a sex act but an act of violence using sex as a weapon. In the same way, a pedophile abusing a child of the same sex is not perpetrating a homosexual act but an act of violence and exploitation using sexuality. There is a world of difference between these two things, but it requires a subtle understanding of the inner motivation of the abuser.

To call child molestation of a boy by a man “homosexual,” or that of a girl by a man “heterosexual,” is to misunderstand pedophilia. No true pedophile is attracted to adults, so neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality applies. Accordingly, Herek suggests calling men’s sexual abuse of boys “male-male molestation,” and men’s abuse of girls “male-female molestation.”

Interestingly, Anna C. Salter writes, in Predators, Pedophiles, Rapists and other Sex Offenders, that when a man molests little girls, we call him a “pedophile” and not a “heterosexual.” Of course, when a man molests little boys, people say outright, or mutter under their breath, “homosexual.” Herek writes that because of our society’s aversion to male homosexuality, and the attempts made by some to represent gay men as a danger to “family values,” many in our society immediately think of male-male molestation as homosexuality. He compares this to the time when African-Americans were often falsely accused of raping white women, and when medieval Jews were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Both are examples of how mainstream society eagerly jumped to conclusions that justified discrimination and violence against these minorities. Today, gays face the same kind of prejudice.

Most recently, we’ve seen gay men unfairly turned out of the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of this myth that gay men are likely to be child molesters. Keeping gays out of scouting won’t protect boys from pedophiles.

In reality, abuse of boys by gay pedophiles is rare, and the abuse of girls by lesbians is rarer still. Nicholas Groth is a noted authority on this topic. In a 1982 study Groth writes:

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children, and are pre-adolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation.

There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual.

Herek writes, similarly, that abuse of boys by gay men is rare, and that the abuse of girls by lesbians is rarer still.

The topic of female-female molestation continues to be largely ignored. There are few books on female sex offenders, particularly about mothers sexually abusing their daughters. I can find no books on mothers who sexually abuse their sons. There is one book by Hani Miletski, M.S.W., entitled Mother-Son Incest: The Unthinkable Taboo. Unthinkable is an appropriate word — so much so that there is nothing else in the literature on this topic, even though female pedophiles and female child molesters certainly exist.

We know so much more than we did historically and yet have a long way to go. We can understand child sexual abuse further when people’s bias and prejudice are removed and the evidence is empirical and scientific.

[Eilzel]

Tommy, you are making this up.  Gay men are not ipso facto pǽdophiles, just as cats are not ipso facto dogs because they have four legs.

Tommy didn't say they were. He was counteracting your claim that men who abuse boys only do so after they've been sent to prison.

That is not what tommy said and many of those convicted that abuse boys, are in hetrosexual relationships

Another fact tommy tends to ignore.

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