What has the LGBT community got against lesbians?

[Guest]

First topic message reminder :

Everywhere you look, there are reminders of how little the safety and wellbeing of lesbian women is valued. We can’t seem to escape violence and vilification. Especially since, in recent months, a lot of it has come from within the LGBT communities we helped build.

This year, an endless string of physical attacks has been reported in the news. In London, for example, a group of young men assaulted a lesbian couple on a bus after the two women refused to kiss for their entertainment. The teenagers responsible were charged last week. Then, Ellie-Mae Mulholland, an 18-year-old lesbian from Walsall Garth, was beaten black and blue by assailants who told her “you and your girlfriend are going to get it 10 times worse next time”. In Chile’s Fifth region, multiple butch lesbians have been assaulted and murdered.

Lesbians need as much support now as we ever did. But even within LGBT spheres, where we are – at least theoretically – part of the community, lesbians are now being vilified. For decades, gay and lesbian rights advocates fought for our sexualities to be accepted as legitimate.

But on Twitter the word lesbian has become a suspicious ‘TERF dogwhistle’. TERF is a nasty term. It stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist and is used, in particular, to describe lesbian feminists, because we aren’t always willing to toe the latest ideological line when it comes to gender. It has also become synonymous with being subhuman.


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[Guest]

see why the quote marks, tommy?  what was the need for that?

and you say free from persecution etc, what does that mean?  free from jail, is one thing but you still think it's acceptable and perfectly ok to refer to les's relationship as a perversion.

how is it ok to make someone else feel somehow substandard, that their marriage their love, their committment to each other is a perversion

that's not cool tommy

and as for your so called points

no, they do not still stand - they fall down like world weary drunks

they are outdated, illogical, backward and cruel

there

Firstly... that is what decriminalisation is all about...

Secondly... isn't it more the case that all the normal heterosexuals and the sanctity of marriage and the coupling that creates the miracle of life, is being undermined and made to feel as being of a lower standard by reclassifying it as somehow being the same as the abnormal and unnatural relationship between a couple of homosexuals...!?

And trying to force everyone else to play along with the bullshit, and forcibly teaching children that wrong is right...

That is the real insult that is going on!!!

As I said before... decriminalised doesn't mean normalised!!!

So yet more prejudice, discrimination and hate based off emotional beliefs and not any sound reasoning or actual criticism.

For a start many married people do not have children and some cannot even have children. Hence marriage is not about the procreation of life. Its simple a contract between two people in love, which was later adopted by religions. Religions do not hold the monopoly on marriage.

Second, homosexuals have the capability of producing children also and many have biological children. Its actually you reclassifying something and based more on a religious understanding and not a secular understanding. Not all people go into relationships or marriage again to have children. To frame it this way shows your argument is unblanced and emotional. As you do not apply the same reason to couples who have no wish to have children and those who cannot.

Hence prejudice and discrimination towards homosexuals

To claim such a relationship is abnormal and unnatural, when people have been homosexual through centuries of history and the fact many species have animals that are homosexual. Shows and proves again your argument is not based on sound reason, but emotional hate and prejudice.

You then offer no reason to show why you think homosexuality is wrong. You only claim its abnormal and unnatural. Never offering any reason. Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage. You sound like parents in the past who were against their son or daughter marrying into another religion. Where they basically created a wrong in their mind through their beliefs.

Hence you have no sound reasons here. They are all emotive prejudiced beliefs that have no sound critical reasoning.

[Tommy Monk]

Firstly... that is what decriminalisation is all about...

Secondly... isn't it more the case that all the normal heterosexuals and the sanctity of marriage and the coupling that creates the miracle of life, is being undermined and made to feel as being of a lower standard by reclassifying it as somehow being the same as the abnormal and unnatural relationship between a couple of homosexuals...!?

And trying to force everyone else to play along with the bullshit, and forcibly teaching children that wrong is right...

That is the real insult that is going on!!!

As I said before... decriminalised doesn't mean normalised!!!

So yet more prejudice, discrimination and hate based off emotional beliefs and not any sound reasoning or actual criticism.

For a start many married people do not have children and some cannot even have children. Hence marriage is not about the procreation of life. Its simple a contract between two people in love, which was later adopted by religions. Religions do not hold the monopoly on marriage.

Second, homosexuals have the capability of producing children also and many have biological children. Its actually you reclassifying something and based more on a religious understanding and not a secular understanding. Not all people go into relationships or marriage again to have children. To frame it this way shows your argument is unblanced and emotional. As you do not apply the same reason to couples who have no wish to have children and those who cannot.

Hence prejudice and discrimination towards homosexuals

To claim such a relationship is abnormal and unnatural, when people have been homosexual through centuries of history and the fact many species have animals that are homosexual. Shows and proves again your argument is not based on sound reason, but emotional hate and prejudice.

You then offer no reason to show why you think homosexuality is wrong. You only claim its abnormal and unnatural. Never offering any reason. Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage. You sound like parents in the past who were against their son or daughter marrying into another religion. Where they basically created a wrong in their mind through their beliefs.

Hence you have no sound reasons here. They are all emotive prejudiced beliefs that have no sound critical reasoning.  

I'm glad that you agree that homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children... and that homosexuality should not be promoted/taught in schools... and that nobody has to recognise it as a relationship in the same way as heterosexual coupling...!


Well done!!!

[Guest]

So yet more prejudice, discrimination and hate based off emotional beliefs and not any sound reasoning or actual criticism.

For a start many married people do not have children and some cannot even have children. Hence marriage is not about the procreation of life. Its simple a contract between two people in love, which was later adopted by religions. Religions do not hold the monopoly on marriage.

Second, homosexuals have the capability of producing children also and many have biological children. Its actually you reclassifying something and based more on a religious understanding and not a secular understanding. Not all people go into relationships or marriage again to have children. To frame it this way shows your argument is unblanced and emotional. As you do not apply the same reason to couples who have no wish to have children and those who cannot.

Hence prejudice and discrimination towards homosexuals

To claim such a relationship is abnormal and unnatural, when people have been homosexual through centuries of history and the fact many species have animals that are homosexual. Shows and proves again your argument is not based on sound reason, but emotional hate and prejudice.

You then offer no reason to show why you think homosexuality is wrong. You only claim its abnormal and unnatural. Never offering any reason. Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage. You sound like parents in the past who were against their son or daughter marrying into another religion. Where they basically created a wrong in their mind through their beliefs.

Hence you have no sound reasons here. They are all emotive prejudiced beliefs that have no sound critical reasoning.  

I'm glad that you agree that homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children... and that homosexuality should not be promoted/taught in schools... and that nobody has to recognise it as a relationship in the same way as heterosexual coupling...!


Well done!!!

Can anyone else see where I agree with Tommy's claim above?

This again proves what i have been saying

I never stated the above, did I tommy?

So if all you can do is resort to lying. In order to again get out of answering points. This perfectly proves why you will end up being ignored in debates

[Tommy Monk]

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"...Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage..."

[Original Quill]

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"...Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage..."

Well, to put in other words, tommy. It's none of your fookin' business.

[Guest]

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"...Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage..."

How do you interpet the above to the following?

I'm glad that you agree that homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children... and that homosexuality should not be promoted/taught in schools... and that nobody has to recognise it as a relationship in the same way as heterosexual coupling...!

Maybe someone else can help me out here understand how tommy completely changed what i said to fit his views?

Answers on a postcard i guess

[Tommy Monk]

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"...Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage..."

Well, to put in other words, tommy.  It's none of your fookin' business.  

Quite right!!!


And it's none of anyone else's business either... so stop trying to force people to accept it as normal and natural and force people to treat it as the same as a normal heterosexual relationship!!!


I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!

[Guest]

Well, to put in other words, tommy.  It's none of your fookin' business.  

Quite right!!!


And it's none of anyone else's business either... so stop trying to force people to accept it as normal and natural and force people to treat it as the same as a normal heterosexual relationship!!!


I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!

Nobody is trying to force you. They are simple and to be frank. Quite Easily taking apart your hateful prejducied discrminative views. Where you are very vocal about wanting to stop teaching children inclusion. Not wanting homosexuals to adopt or have children.

Is that not you forcing your views onto people, by your claim above?

Your desperation to think people are in agreement with you here, when you are in fact contradicting yourself. Is clearly your best gaff to date

[Tommy Monk]

Yawn...

[Fred Moletrousers]

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"...Two homosexual adults who are in love with each other, are never going to effect you or anyone else by their relationship or marriage..."

Well, to put in other words, tommy.  It's none of your fookin' business.  

...unless one does not know the difference between a noun and a verb, perhaps.

[Lurker]

[Original Quill]

Well, to put in other words, tommy.  It's none of your fookin' business.  

Quite right!!!

And it's none of anyone else's business either... so stop trying to force people to accept it as normal and natural and force people to treat it as the same as a normal heterosexual relationship!!!

I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!

You're being defensive, tommy. Don't be. Your advice is bilateral: I will stop if you will stop! That's the point of the LGTB message: Live and let live.

The RW is always trying to formulate commands (laws): thou shalt not marry one of the same sex. We have never written laws. Live and let live. To quote a newly-found convert: "I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!"

[Original Quill]

Well, to put in other words, tommy.  It's none of your fookin' business.  

...unless one does not know the difference between a noun and a verb, perhaps.

Which noun and which verb? Is = verb; effect = verb. Relationship = noun; fookin buisness = noun. I specifically said, 'in other words'.

[Tommy Monk]

Quite right!!!

And it's none of anyone else's business either... so stop trying to force people to accept it as normal and natural and force people to treat it as the same as a normal heterosexual relationship!!!

I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!

You're being defensive, tommy.  Don't be.  Your advice is bilateral: I will stop if you will stop!  That's the point of the LGTB message: Live and let live.

The RW is always trying to formulate commands (laws): thou shalt not marry one of the same sex.  We have never written laws.  Live and let live.  To quote a newly-found convert: "I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!"  

But you lot are the ones creating laws that try force me to have a certain opinion on homosexuality that I do not accept, and laws which also try to force me to treat homosexual relationships with a higher regard than I think they are deserving of... plus, your laws are also increasing in design to punish me as a criminal by way of me being subject to arrest by police and prosecution etc, as well as high risk of disciplinary action in the workplace, if I dare to voice any opinion that goes against the enforced politically correct/pro homosexual agenda!

[eddie]

From your post, Tommy...

“and laws which also try to force me to treat homosexual relationships with a higher regard than I think they are deserving of... ”

You really are such a strange person if you can’t accept love between two consenting adults.

[Ben Reilly]

From your post, Tommy...

“and laws which also try to force me to treat homosexual relationships with a higher regard than I think they are deserving of... ”

You really are such a strange person if you can’t accept love between two consenting adults.

... or at least conclude that it has nothing to do with him and thus not be so worried about it.

[Andy]

From your post, Tommy...

“and laws which also try to force me to treat homosexual relationships with a higher regard than I think they are deserving of... ”

You really are such a strange person if you can’t accept love between two consenting adults.

Is 'strange' a euphemism for scumbug homophobic pondlife?

[Original Quill]

You're being defensive, tommy.  Don't be.  Your advice is bilateral: I will stop if you will stop!  That's the point of the LGTB message: Live and let live.

The RW is always trying to formulate commands (laws): thou shalt not marry one of the same sex.  We have never written laws.  Live and let live.  To quote a newly-found convert: "I'm glad you see common sense at last!!!"  

But you lot are the ones creating laws that try force me to have a certain opinion on homosexuality that I do not accept, and laws which also try to force me to treat homosexual relationships with a higher regard than I think they are deserving of... plus, your laws are also increasing in design to punish me as a criminal by way of me being subject to arrest by police and prosecution etc, as well as high risk of disciplinary action in the workplace, if I dare to voice any opinion that goes against the enforced politically correct/pro homosexual agenda!

Nope. I think it's wonderful that you can love a woman...now, if only you can find one.

['Wolfie]

From your post, Tommy...

“and laws which also try to force me to treat homosexual relationships with a higher regard than I think they are deserving of... ”

You really are such a strange person if you can’t accept love between two consenting adults.

... or at least conclude that it has nothing to do with him and thus not be so worried about it.
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Tommy is full of shit, as always

He claims that there are supposedly laws that "force" him to accept something, or "treat" somebody in some special way --  this is complete and utter bullshit..

Anti-villification and anti-discrimination laws aren't telling normal everyday people how to act, but rather are setting guidelines, where, if people like Tommy and Stormee want to take their prejudices outside of their own thoughts and beliefs --  and inflict them unjustly and undeservedly on others --  then there could be consequences for their bullying and discriminatory activities.

I would like to see these imaginary "laws" that Tommy claims are "forcing" him to give special treatment to lesbians and homosexuals..

[Lurker]

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