POLL: Do you think the mods at NewsFix enforce the rules fairly?

by Ben Reilly Wed May 08, 2019 6:30 pm

First topic message reminder :

For smelly.

by Andy Fri May 10, 2019 7:57 am

Don't forget, Les, Skunk Stenchbandit hates Meghan because she is black. And he likens her offspring to chimps.

by 'Wolfie Fri May 10, 2019 9:12 am

Meghan isn't "black".. She's more a pleasant 'coffee' shade of brown...

Except in the Deep South of the USA..
And those backblocks of England where Smelly's parents' council house basement resides.

I have cousins with darker complexions than Meghan Markle..

Smelly' isn't the only racist slimebag around here -- but also any scum willing to stand by him...

And only Smelly' himself will ever know why he is so mortally afraid of anybody with a darker skin colouring than him..

by JulesV Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 am

Well I tried to lighten the mood by trying to get him to say a bit more about his childhood Smile

. It would also show the human side of him if he talked about it some more. But he ain't playing ball lol.

He deliberately projects an austere RW persona, tries too hard to come across as a hard-bitten draconian, not buying it! Surprised

by Guest Fri May 10, 2019 10:30 am

Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

If it's convincing enough???

that sounds encouraging

I can't imagine you give a damn about my apology in ny case, so nothing to lose really

I wonder how that's gonna turn out

You're investigating yourself?? And you're the one who decides if you've done wrong.

Hhhmmm sounds like the game might be rigged

Besides I don't really fancy taking hold of your sloppy seconds after thought, should have given it due diligence in the beginning then your fairness as a mod wouldn't be in doubt.

by Guest Fri May 10, 2019 10:31 am

Andy wrote:Don't forget, Les, Skunk Stenchbandit hates Meghan because she is black. And he likens her offspring to chimps.

Lol

by Eilzel Fri May 10, 2019 10:48 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

If it's convincing enough???

that sounds encouraging

I can't imagine you give a damn about my apology in ny case, so nothing to lose really

I wonder how that's gonna turn out

You're investigating yourself?? And you're the one who decides if you've done wrong.

Hhhmmm sounds like the game might be rigged

Besides I don't really fancy taking hold of your sloppy seconds after thought, should have given it due diligence in the beginning then your fairness as a mod wouldn't be in doubt.

I'd act exactly the same again if similar occured, since I've no reason to believe I was wrong.

by Syl Fri May 10, 2019 12:49 pm

Just an idea....maybe the post could be shown again and people can vote in a poll on whether they saw deliberate racism in the remark posted underneath it..

I saw the post at the time and I did think it was racist, it was obviously likening black people to chimps.
I think Smelly had a Danny Baker moment and just wont admit it. Twisted Evil

by Guest Fri May 10, 2019 12:50 pm

Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

I wonder how that's gonna turn out

You're investigating yourself?? And you're the one who decides if you've done wrong.

Hhhmmm sounds like the game might be rigged

Besides I don't really fancy taking hold of your sloppy seconds after thought, should have given it due diligence in the beginning then your fairness as a mod wouldn't be in doubt.

I'd act exactly the same again if similar occured, since I've no reason to believe I was wrong.

Then why does eddie disagree

She said you were wrong not to challenge me on it, said she would have done before deciding

So, since you're both moda it means either she is wrong or you are.

by Guest Fri May 10, 2019 12:51 pm

Syl wrote:Just an idea....maybe the post could be shown again and people can vote in a poll on whether they saw deliberate racism in the remark posted underneath it..

I saw the post at the time and I did think it was racist, it was obviously likening black people to chimps.
I think Smelly had a Danny Baker moment and just wont admit it.

Why don't we show the post and I can give my side of the story and then people can decide based on what's said instead of what they want to see

by Syl Fri May 10, 2019 12:58 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Syl wrote:Just an idea....maybe the post could be shown again and people can vote in a poll on whether they saw deliberate racism in the remark posted underneath it..

I saw the post at the time and I did think it was racist, it was obviously likening black people to chimps.
I think Smelly had a Danny Baker moment and just wont admit it.

Why don't we show the post and I can give my side of the story and then people can decide based on what's said instead of what they want to see

I think that is a very good idea.

by Eilzel Fri May 10, 2019 1:12 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

I wonder how that's gonna turn out

You're investigating yourself?? And you're the one who decides if you've done wrong.

Hhhmmm sounds like the game might be rigged

Besides I don't really fancy taking hold of your sloppy seconds after thought, should have given it due diligence in the beginning then your fairness as a mod wouldn't be in doubt.

I'd act exactly the same again if similar occured, since I've no reason to believe I was wrong.

Then why does eddie disagree

She said you were wrong not to challenge me on it, said she would have done before deciding

So, since you're both moda it means either she is wrong or you are.

Or it means we disagree in how we'd have handled it.

She wasn't online, I was. Sucks for you. You might have been perma banned had other mods clocked it Laughing

As to reposting the offending items, I'll leave that to Ben.

by Guest Fri May 10, 2019 1:17 pm

Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Then why does eddie disagree

She said you were wrong not to challenge me on it, said she would have done before deciding

So, since you're both moda it means either she is wrong or you are.

Or it means we disagree in how we'd have handled it.

She wasn't online, I was. Sucks for you. You might have been perma banned had other mods clocked it

As to reposting the offending items, I'll leave that to Ben.

No.

You said you

"I'd act exactly the same again if similar occured, since I've no reason to believe I was wrong."

So if you don't think you are wrong then you must think eddie is wrong, becasue she openly disagrees with how you handled it.

Which means.......... Someone is wrong

So who is it??

by Eilzel Fri May 10, 2019 1:28 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Then why does eddie disagree

She said you were wrong not to challenge me on it, said she would have done before deciding

So, since you're both moda it means either she is wrong or you are.

Or it means we disagree in how we'd have handled it.

She wasn't online, I was. Sucks for you. You might have been perma banned had other mods clocked it

As to reposting the offending items, I'll leave that to Ben.

No.

You said you

"I'd act exactly the same again if similar occured, since I've no reason to believe I was wrong."

So if you don't think you are wrong then you must think eddie is wrong, becasue she openly disagrees with how you handled it.

Which means.......... Someone is wrong

So who is it??

Eddie would've asked you, that's all.

Much as I know you want to create conflict, it won't work.
I don't think you'd have had a good answer, so the result would've been the same Wink

Regardless, mods will handle things differently. It isn't about right and wrong, we act how we think is best at the time based on the rules.

by Guest Fri May 10, 2019 2:34 pm

Eilzel wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

No.

You said you

"I'd act exactly the same again if similar occured, since I've no reason to believe I was wrong."

So if you don't think you are wrong then you must think eddie is wrong, becasue she openly disagrees with how you handled it.

Which means.......... Someone is wrong

So who is it??

Eddie would've asked you, that's all.

Much as I know you want to create conflict, it won't work.
I don't think you'd have had a good answer, so the result would've been the same

Regardless, mods will handle things differently. It isn't about right and wrong, we act how we think is best at the time based on the rules.

Well

Eddie says you are wrong

I agree with her

by Tommy Monk Sat May 18, 2019 2:51 pm

Wonder what the result would be if the votes by mods were discounted...?

by Andy Sat May 18, 2019 3:23 pm

It is 9/7. A majority, but only just. Which means 45% of posters have issues of one sort or another with the mods.

by Eilzel Sat May 18, 2019 3:25 pm

This mod didn't vote, I doubt the others did either.

And claims of bias cancel each other out.

So it's 9/5 Smile

by Andy Sat May 18, 2019 4:41 pm

You are incorrect Les, insofar as the 2 who claimed mods show bias should be added to the no vote, not neutralized.
No different to to Labour remainers and Tory remainers. Both against Brexit, but from differing starting points. Their does don't cancel each other out, they are added together to give the remain vote.

by Eilzel Sat May 18, 2019 4:49 pm

Andy wrote:You are incorrect Les, insofar as the 2 who claimed mods show bias should be added to the no vote, not neutralized.
No different to to Labour remainers and Tory remainers. Both against Brexit, but from differing starting points. Their does don't cancel each other out, they are added together to give the remain vote.

But in this case we have two contradictory statements. We cannot favour both Left and Right. In this case it is more likely the two who voted simply cannot get over their own biases and only see us acting one way or never the other.

And even if you don't invalidate them, it's still 9-7 Wink

by Andy Sat May 18, 2019 6:12 pm

Like the referendum, a binary question such as "Are the mods biased?" Yes or no would have been less ambiguous.
But a 9/7 or even 9/5 vote is underwhelming support for the mods as a collective.
More clarity would be provided listing the mods then having a thumbs up or down alongside each name.
It's all semantics and irrelevant, as it's Ben's and Eddie's forum, and their rules.

by eddie Sat May 18, 2019 6:59 pm

Andy wrote:Like the referendum, a binary question such as "Are the mods biased?" Yes or no would have been less ambiguous.
But a 9/7 or even 9/5 vote is underwhelming support for the mods as a collective.
More clarity would be provided listing the mods then having a thumbs up or down alongside each name.
It's all semantics and irrelevant, as it's Ben's and Eddie's forum, and their rules.

No, it’s Ben’s forum.

by Andy Sat May 18, 2019 7:33 pm

When you are married, EVERYTHING IS shared.
Not just bodily fluids!

by Guest Sat May 18, 2019 8:21 pm

Andy wrote:Like the referendum, a binary question such as "Are the mods biased?" Yes or no would have been less ambiguous.
But a 9/7 or even 9/5 vote is underwhelming support for the mods as a collective.
More clarity would be provided listing the mods then having a thumbs up or down alongside each name.
It's all semantics and irrelevant, as it's Ben's and Eddie's forum, and their rules.

dont bitch............BITCH

a wins a win

we won brexit

the mods of newsFIX won

#secondvotewedidntknowwhatwevotedfor

by Raggamuffin Sat May 18, 2019 8:25 pm

I can't vote - I've been disenfranchised!

by Andy Sat May 18, 2019 9:17 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Andy wrote:Like the referendum, a binary question such as "Are the mods biased?" Yes or no would have been less ambiguous.
But a 9/7 or even 9/5 vote is underwhelming support for the mods as a collective.
More clarity would be provided listing the mods then having a thumbs up or down alongside each name.
It's all semantics and irrelevant, as it's Ben's and Eddie's forum, and their rules.

dont bitch............BITCH

a wins a win

we won brexit

the mods of newsFIX won

#secondvotewedidntknowwhatwevotedfor

You also lost 2 world wars. Loser.

by Eilzel Sun May 19, 2019 5:42 am

Andy wrote:Like the referendum, a binary question such as "Are the mods biased?" Yes or no would have been less ambiguous.
But a 9/7 or even 9/5 vote is underwhelming support for the mods as a collective.
More clarity would be provided listing the mods then having a thumbs up or down alongside each name.
It's all semantics and irrelevant, as it's Ben's and Eddie's forum, and their rules.

It is irrelevant.

Even if we did your selection of polls - what would be the end goal?

by Andy Sun May 19, 2019 9:23 am

To prove the mods dont have unanimous support from everyone.
You are good Les, only one lowers the bar.

by Guest Sun May 19, 2019 9:51 am

Andy wrote:To prove the mods dont have unanimous support from everyone.
You are good Les, only one lowers the bar.

Andy, everyone has a form of bias. Nobody can deny that, including you and me.
What matters is if the mods can overcome this bias when moderating and they consistantly do
You may not agree, but the reality is. In 95% of moderation, it has been fair, with about 5% questionable. I think that is a sound record.
What you need to do is recognise when you cross the line, just as I do. Yes i think some are given more slack than others, but consistantly the rules have been applied fairly evenly
We need to stop making it personal. As at times, we dont make their lives any easier in how we act

All the best

by Andy Sun May 19, 2019 10:04 am

I am becoming a more reclusive and infrequent poster, having 3 part time jobs does that to you.
Hated doing nothing when I retired, now have no time to spare!

by Guest Sun May 19, 2019 10:09 am

Andy wrote:I am becoming a more reclusive and infrequent poster, having 3 part time jobs does that to you.
Hated doing nothing when I retired, now have no time to spare!

Glad you found some things that you enjoy Andy

I am taking some time out of work for a while. I have enough money to do so

See you in the future mate, as leaving tomorrow for a while to Ireland

All th best

by Andy Sun May 19, 2019 10:35 am

Have a good visit mate. Not the best of circumstances, but RoI is a beautiful country with lively people.

by Raggamuffin Sun May 19, 2019 10:36 am

Andy wrote:I am becoming a more reclusive and infrequent poster, having 3 part time jobs does that to you.
Hated doing nothing when I retired, now have no time to spare!

That sounds interesting Andy. I think about retiring (a bit early) but I'm not sure I'd know what to do all day. Laughing

Three part-time jobs sounds like fun.

by Guest Sun May 19, 2019 10:43 am

Andy wrote:Have a good visit mate. Not the best of circumstances, but RoI is a beautiful country with lively people.

Thanks mate, appreaciate your kind words and agree its beautiful there

by Andy Sun May 19, 2019 2:30 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Andy wrote:I am becoming a more reclusive and infrequent poster, having 3 part time jobs does that to you.
Hated doing nothing when I retired, now have no time to spare!

That sounds interesting Andy. I think about retiring (a bit early) but I'm not sure I'd know what to do all day. Three part-time jobs sounds like fun.

Got a p/t job at Mrs HA's school as an exam invigilator. Head hunted by the local university doing the same thing with undergraduates. And have started a self employed garden clearance and maintenance thingy, 3 hours a day, cash in hand.

by Cass Mon May 20, 2019 6:21 am

Andy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

That sounds interesting Andy. I think about retiring (a bit early) but I'm not sure I'd know what to do all day. Three part-time jobs sounds like fun.
Got a p/t job at Mrs HA's school as an exam invigilator. Head hunted by the local university doing the same thing with undergraduates. And have started a self employed garden clearance and maintenance thingy, 3 hours a day, cash in hand.

Come do my garden. Bring Mrs. A for a holiday. I’ll cook.

by Andy Mon May 20, 2019 6:58 am

.might hold you to that Cass.
Until late summer, I have a big project, a colossal garden 350' long, total jungle.
Getting a mini JCB digger in for it .

by Cass Mon May 20, 2019 9:06 pm

Andy wrote:.might hold you to that Cass.
Until late summer, I have a big project, a colossal garden 350' long, total jungle.
Getting a mini JCB digger in for it .

Wow! Mind you I want all the gravel in the back gone so it may require that too!

by eddie Mon May 20, 2019 9:17 pm

Cass wrote:
Andy wrote:.might hold you to that Cass.
Until late summer, I have a big project, a colossal garden 350' long, total jungle.
Getting a mini JCB digger in for it .

Wow! Mind you I want all the gravel in the back gone so it may require that too!

Watch it Andy...she promises cookies but I’ve been waiting for about seven years.

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by Maddog Wed May 22, 2019 7:56 pm

Andy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

That sounds interesting Andy. I think about retiring (a bit early) but I'm not sure I'd know what to do all day. Three part-time jobs sounds like fun.
Got a p/t job at Mrs HA's school as an exam invigilator. Head hunted by the local university doing the same thing with undergraduates. And have started a self employed garden clearance and maintenance thingy, 3 hours a day, cash in hand.

Cash is good. Government doesn't know about it that way. Thieving bastards. Smile

by Tommy Monk Wed May 22, 2019 9:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Wonder what the result would be if the votes by mods were discounted...?

Can we see a poll result that is without the votes of mods included in it?

by eddie Wed May 22, 2019 9:45 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Wonder what the result would be if the votes by mods were discounted...?

Can we see a poll result that is without the votes of mods included in it?

Wow. You really got the bit between your teeth on this, huh? Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Thu May 23, 2019 12:01 am

Just asking a question...

Waiting for the answer...

?

by Cass Thu May 23, 2019 3:09 am

eddie wrote:
Cass wrote:

Wow! Mind you I want all the gravel in the back gone so it may require that too!

Watch it Andy...she promises cookies but I’ve been waiting for about seven years.

They got lost in the post or something grin angel

by The Devil, You Know Thu May 23, 2019 6:18 pm

Andy wrote:That's utter bollocks, and you know it.
I am as diametrically opposite to someone like Nicko as it. possible to get. Opposing politics, opposing Brexit.
But we have been having a friendly and respectful chat offline.

white man speak with forked tongue

by The Devil, You Know Thu May 23, 2019 6:21 pm

my opinion is, and always has been, why do you need mods on a forum that has less than a dozen regulars. it's bound to be inconsistent.

by Andy Thu May 23, 2019 7:04 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Andy wrote:That's utter bollocks, and you know it.
I am as diametrically opposite to someone like Nicko as it. possible to get. Opposing politics, opposing Brexit.
But we have been having a friendly and respectful chat offline.

white man speak with forked tongue

Ask Nicko then. Wanker.

by Cass Thu May 23, 2019 8:02 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:my opinion is, and always has been, why do you need mods on a forum that has less than a dozen regulars. it's bound to be inconsistent.

Because it’s Ben’s forum and that is how he likes it, just as you like yours with just you.

by JulesV Thu May 23, 2019 9:30 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:my opinion is, and always has been, why do you need mods on a forum that has less than a dozen regulars. it's bound to be inconsistent.

Every site owner has their own way of doing things. Laughing

It's clearly a matter of personal preference that the owner likes having several mods - as simple as that.

No, the number of regulars here is nearer 2 dozen. Which is adequate.
I regard myself as a regular tho I sometimes go for days or even weeks without posting.

No forum is perfect, they all have flaws but this one ticks enough boxes for me to like it.

by The Devil, You Know Thu May 23, 2019 10:36 pm

Jules wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:my opinion is, and always has been, why do you need mods on a forum that has less than a dozen regulars. it's bound to be inconsistent.

Every site owner has their own way of doing things.
It's clearly a matter of personal preference that the owner likes having several mods - as simple as that.

No, the number of regulars here is nearer 2 dozen. Which is adequate.
I regard myself as a regular tho I sometimes go for days or even weeks without posting.

No forum is perfect, they all have flaws but this one ticks enough boxes for me to like it.

I must have missed all those extras. the point it still valid. One person could apply a single unified approach on sites like this and still not have enough work to do. Mostly mods are handed power to make them feel special.

by eddie Thu May 23, 2019 10:59 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Jules wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:my opinion is, and always has been, why do you need mods on a forum that has less than a dozen regulars. it's bound to be inconsistent.

Every site owner has their own way of doing things.
It's clearly a matter of personal preference that the owner likes having several mods - as simple as that.

No, the number of regulars here is nearer 2 dozen. Which is adequate.
I regard myself as a regular tho I sometimes go for days or even weeks without posting.

No forum is perfect, they all have flaws but this one ticks enough boxes for me to like it.
I must have missed all those extras. the point it still valid. One person could apply a single unified approach on sites like this and still not have enough work to do. Mostly mods are handed power to make them feel special.

Ah, you may be right....in which case, you must be super-duper-special because you made yourself the only mod on your forum.

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