Prime example of the lunacy of UK justice system

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8517561/albanian-killer-britain-battering-wife-conviction/

Scummy thug should be deported ASAP !

Think it says in the article that he has previously been deported but twice crept back into the UK...


Should be banged up for 6 months and then deported... and if he creeps back in again then bang him up for a year and deport him... and next time 2 years and deport... then 4 years and deport...


But the scum cvnt should already be in jail for his attacks on his wife... and should also have done more than 4 years in Albanian jail for the murder of the man there that he did...!!!

The Sun wrote:Albanian machine-gun killer fighting deportation from Britain to protect his right to a happy life is still here despite beating his wife

Very typical of eastern Europeans.  They are also heavily involved in human trafficking/prostitution businesses.

Don't know about the UK, but they are linked to the Trump crime family in the US.

Original Quill wrote:

The Sun wrote:Albanian machine-gun killer fighting deportation from Britain to protect his right to a happy life is still here despite beating his wife

Very typical of eastern Europeans.  They are also heavily involved in human trafficking/prostitution businesses.

Don't know about the UK, but they are linked to the Trump crime family in the US.

Dude!

I've met more Eastern Europeans in the past month than in the entirety of the rest of my life (when I really only knew one) and they've all been ordinary people, warm, friendly, and certainly in no way involved in human trafficking.

Also, and more importantly -- if someone had said "Very typical of blacks/gays/Mexicans/women" you know that you'd rightly condemn them as a bigot. So what does that make your statement? Bigotry.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Very typical of eastern Europeans.  They are also heavily involved in human trafficking/prostitution businesses.

Don't know about the UK, but they are linked to the Trump crime family in the US.

Dude!

I've met more Eastern Europeans in the past month than in the entirety of the rest of my life (when I really only knew one) and they've all been ordinary people, warm, friendly, and certainly in no way involved in human trafficking.

Also, and more importantly -- if someone had said "Very typical of blacks/gays/Mexicans/women" you know that you'd rightly condemn them as a bigot. So what does that make your statement? Bigotry.

They are cheats, liars and back-stabbers, who make money off of selling their daughters. Russians are chief among them.

Original Quill wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Very typical of eastern Europeans.  They are also heavily involved in human trafficking/prostitution businesses.

Don't know about the UK, but they are linked to the Trump crime family in the US.

Dude!

I've met more Eastern Europeans in the past month than in the entirety of the rest of my life (when I really only knew one) and they've all been ordinary people, warm, friendly, and certainly in no way involved in human trafficking.

Also, and more importantly -- if someone had said "Very typical of blacks/gays/Mexicans/women" you know that you'd rightly condemn them as a bigot. So what does that make your statement? Bigotry.

They are cheats, liars and back-stabbers, who make money off of selling their daughters.  Russians are chief among them.

It's only a few.

Ben wrote:It's only a few.

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Original Quill wrote:

Ben wrote:It's only a few.

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You don't even see it, do you?

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Ben wrote:It's only a few.

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You  don't even see it, do you?

He never has. I’ve tried for years.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You  don't even see it, do you?

No I dont see it, as its based off a generalisation and a poor one at that

For example what asians are good students?

Japanese?

Chinese?

Pakistani?

Did Mozart have rhythm?

How about Elvis Presley?

The view on gays, being some are more feminine, which would mean many woman are good at fasion, but some of the best designers are men and not gay. So does that even figure in your sterotypes here Ben?

What you have is how genralisations form, because we see a few people do well at something and then form a generalisation off this

I have fair skin, and was a dancer in clubs, and yet I have seen some people black, have no rhythm at all

People see what ever they only want to see

What you actually have is more people from a culture that have formed more expressive dance forms

Does that mean they have more rhythm? To easily prove this is false is many white people have taken up such dances and have as good rhythm

I mean what you are arguing has no scientific bases and is atcually racist claptrap

Just because some asian countries hold a view to make their students study hard, is based on how they instil a view for them to do better and this is only present in some Asian Ethnicities and based on a period of time

So when quill makes views on Slavic people, its as bad as how Hitler formed views of them. Its based on poor generalisations. Its genrally always what leads to hate

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You  don't even see it, do you?

In his book, The Spirit of the Laws (actually De l'esprit des loix), Montesquieu defined his concept of the "spirit of the law" as the underlying social and cultural traits that drive a nation toward one sort of law versus another. He believed that different cultures have tendencies toward republic, monarchy or despotism in varying degrees, referring to the "spirit of republic", the "spirit of monarchy", and the "spirit of despotism" in various cases.

Since then, sociology and cultural anthropology have advanced beyond the mere description of government forms. One constant in determining cultural personality, is language. The way that a language frames thoughts about the world, has a lot to do with habits of a given culture. Beyond language, there are the values, beliefs and symbols of the culture. These allow us to say, for example, that southern culture is full of presumptions about race, guns and religion.

Eastern Europeans have similar common behaviors, determined by their language, values, beliefs and symbols. The Slavs have a distinct common culture, with permutations as to language, religion, and other social trends. To deny that is to deny anthropology as a field.

Original Quill wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You  don't even see it, do you?

In his book, The Spirit of the Laws (actually De l'esprit des loix), Montesquieu defined his concept of the "spirit of the law" as the underlying social and cultural traits that drive a nation toward one sort of law versus another. He believed that different cultures have tendencies toward republic, monarchy or despotism in varying degrees, referring to the "spirit of republic", the "spirit of monarchy", and the "spirit of despotism" in various cases.

Since then, sociology and cultural anthropology have advanced beyond the mere description of government forms.  One constant in determining cultural personality, is language.  The way that a language frames thoughts about the world, has a lot to do with habits of a given culture.  Beyond language, there are the values, beliefs and symbols of the culture.  These allow us to say, for example, that southern culture is full of presumptions about race, guns and religion.

Eastern Europeans have similar common behaviors, determined by their language, values, beliefs and symbols.  The Slavs have a distinct common culture, with permutations as to language, religion, and other social trends.  To deny that is to deny anthropology as a field.

But do you not see that I wasn't arguing that different cultures don't have have intelligible traits, but that you made a blanket statement toward Eastern Europeans that you wouldn't tolerate if it were made toward a minority group in America?

Original Quill wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You  don't even see it, do you?

Eastern Europeans have similar common behaviors, determined by their language, values, beliefs and symbols.  The Slavs have a distinct common culture, with permutations as to language, religion, and other social trends.  To deny that is to deny anthropology as a field.

Incorect, some conform to such a culture, whilst most are distinctly unique
How would your above answer look in say a hundred years, or a hundred years before this was concieved.
This is why sterotypes are poor concieved ideas people hold against people for good or bad
When humans are forever changing and how will such once distinctive groups look in the future. When are cultures have become so intertwined with others?

You are miskewing anthorpology, to make a very poor argument, one that again Hitler would have applauded. It was such anthropological arguments used for the time. That saw Blacks as inferior> Jews and slavs as inferior.

In fact the bases for death camps was sowed in the lands of Namibia when it comes to the racial hatred that Germany came later to use against Jews, slavs, Roma, etc. Such thinking through the Pan Germanic league, that saw expansion through living space and how Imperial Germany looked to ethnically cleanse different African peoples like the Heroes people and the Nama. Were burtalised by the Germans in Namibia. With concentration camps and a death camp called Shark Island.

Contrary to what people think. It was not the British that invented the concentration camp in the war with the Boers. It was the Spanish in Cuba.

Yet nobody would declare today, that the Germans or Spanish, have a culural view to ethnically cleanse and exterminate people, based off past cultures, do they Quill?

Hence your argument is at best idiotic

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Okay, you mean the Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers like gays are good at fashion, blacks have rhythm and Asians are great students?

Seriously! You  don't even see it, do you?

In his book, The Spirit of the Laws (actually De l'esprit des loix), Montesquieu defined his concept of the "spirit of the law" as the underlying social and cultural traits that drive a nation toward one sort of law versus another. He believed that different cultures have tendencies toward republic, monarchy or despotism in varying degrees, referring to the "spirit of republic", the "spirit of monarchy", and the "spirit of despotism" in various cases.

Since then, sociology and cultural anthropology have advanced beyond the mere description of government forms.  One constant in determining cultural personality, is language.  The way that a language frames thoughts about the world, has a lot to do with habits of a given culture.  Beyond language, there are the values, beliefs and symbols of the culture.  These allow us to say, for example, that southern culture is full of presumptions about race, guns and religion.

Eastern Europeans have similar common behaviors, determined by their language, values, beliefs and symbols.  The Slavs have a distinct common culture, with permutations as to language, religion, and other social trends.  To deny that is to deny anthropology as a field.

But do  you not see that  I wasn't arguing that different cultures don't have have intelligible traits, but that you made a blanket statement toward Eastern Europeans  that you wouldn't tolerate  if it were made toward a minority group  in America?

Especially blacks!

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

In his book, The Spirit of the Laws (actually De l'esprit des loix), Montesquieu defined his concept of the "spirit of the law" as the underlying social and cultural traits that drive a nation toward one sort of law versus another. He believed that different cultures have tendencies toward republic, monarchy or despotism in varying degrees, referring to the "spirit of republic", the "spirit of monarchy", and the "spirit of despotism" in various cases.

Since then, sociology and cultural anthropology have advanced beyond the mere description of government forms.  One constant in determining cultural personality, is language.  The way that a language frames thoughts about the world, has a lot to do with habits of a given culture.  Beyond language, there are the values, beliefs and symbols of the culture.  These allow us to say, for example, that southern culture is full of presumptions about race, guns and religion.

Eastern Europeans have similar common behaviors, determined by their language, values, beliefs and symbols.  The Slavs have a distinct common culture, with permutations as to language, religion, and other social trends.  To deny that is to deny anthropology as a field.

But do  you not see that  I wasn't arguing that different cultures don't have have intelligible traits, but that you made a blanket statement toward Eastern Europeans  that you wouldn't tolerate  if it were made toward a minority group  in America?

Okay I misread your reply to Quill, by expanding on his

Sorry for that

My poin should have been made to back yours, when I mistook it to back against his

Anyway, I can use history a million times to dispell poor claims to use anthropology. Which was once what the Germnans did in Southern Africa. Which formed the bases for what later came to form hatred of groups in Europe.

Which sadly we are seeing again today

All based on a centuries old fear around religion and more a few of east against west

Original Quill wrote:

Ben wrote:It's only a few.

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Wow, Quill, way to parade a bunch of vicious stereotypes in a few posts with absolutely zero substance. Are you becoming Republican?

Also, is it true Americans are all fat darn tootin' evangelical slobs who carry six shooters, sleep with their cousins and can't even point out a foreign country on a map?

Just askin' cause I saw one on TV and...

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Wow, Quill, way to parade a bunch of vicious stereotypes in a few posts with absolutely zero substance. Are you becoming Republican?

Also, is it true Americans are all fat darn tootin' evangelical slobs who carry six shooters, sleep with their cousins and can't even point out a foreign country on a map?

Just askin' cause I saw one on TV and...

Check out:

"Anthropology of Eastern Europe and Postsocialism"

Professor Maria Stoilkova, Anthropology Department/Center of European Studies; University of Florida.

Original Quill wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Wow, Quill, way to parade a bunch of vicious stereotypes in a few posts with absolutely zero substance. Are you becoming Republican?

Also, is it true Americans are all fat darn tootin' evangelical slobs who carry six shooters, sleep with their cousins and can't even point out a foreign country on a map?

Just askin' cause I saw one on TV and...

Check out:

"Anthropology of Eastern Europe and Postsocialism"

Professor Maria Stoilkova, Anthropology Department/Center of European Studies; University of Florida.

A book, Quill, I can find you a book on the deficiencies of any nationality or 'race' given the time, it doesn't legitamise vicious stereotypes of an entire group.

How many Eastern European do YOU personally know, and, if any, do they fit your description?

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Wow, Quill, way to parade a bunch of vicious stereotypes in a few posts with absolutely zero substance. Are you becoming Republican?

Also, is it true Americans are all fat darn tootin' evangelical slobs who carry six shooters, sleep with their cousins and can't even point out a foreign country on a map?

Just askin' cause I saw one on TV and...

Yes, we are.

Maddog wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Wow, Quill, way to parade a bunch of vicious stereotypes in a few posts with absolutely zero substance. Are you becoming Republican?

Also, is it true Americans are all fat darn tootin' evangelical slobs who carry six shooters, sleep with their cousins and can't even point out a foreign country on a map?

Just askin' cause I saw one on TV and...

Yes, we are.

And honest about it, to boot

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Check out:

"Anthropology of Eastern Europe and Postsocialism"

Professor Maria Stoilkova, Anthropology Department/Center of European Studies; University of Florida.

A book, Quill, I can find you a book on the deficiencies of any nationality or 'race' given the time, it doesn't legitamise vicious stereotypes of an entire group.

How many Eastern European do YOU personally know, and, if any, do they fit your description?

You've gotta make some serious inquiries, Les. I see you have made some not so serious ones...snowflake.

You don't trust books. You don't trust serious discipline. You don't trust people who ask questions. I daresay, you would be one of those who oppose climate change theory, except there were some iconoclasts who resisted. But your tendency is to resist them.

You are going to ask questions sometime, or melt into the gray muck of the little people.

Original Quill wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Check out:

"Anthropology of Eastern Europe and Postsocialism"

Professor Maria Stoilkova, Anthropology Department/Center of European Studies; University of Florida.

A book, Quill, I can find you a book on the deficiencies of any nationality or 'race' given the time, it doesn't legitamise vicious stereotypes of an entire group.

How many Eastern European do YOU personally know, and, if any, do they fit your description?

You've gotta make some serious inquiries, Les.  I see you have made some not so serious ones...snowflake.

You don't trust books.  You don't trust serious discipline.  You don't trust people who ask questions.  I daresay, you would be one of those who oppose climate change theory, except there were some iconoclasts who resisted.  But your tendency is to resist them.

You are going to ask questions sometime, or melt into the gray muck of the little people.

I do trust books, I spend alot of time reading up on history. I also ask questions, about everything, you're just falling into the bias trap there of thinking if someone doesn't think like you do then they mustn't be asking the 'right' questions

You've just got a thing for attacking one region because the regime of one nation is believed to have a hand is presidency you oppose - understandable.

It's sad though, I never had you down as the sort to tar an entire geographical region, including many great and historic nations and people, as being a certain nasty way. Pretty simplistic tbh.

Start living in the real world, Quill. I've worked with people from Hungary, Latvia and Poland. Taught adults from Hungary, Czech Republic, Russis and former Yugoslav states. And studied alongside Lithuanians. None of them fit the bill of what you described. Some might, in their private lives. But they are people first and foremost, just like you and I; try meeting some of them.

Les wrote:I do trust books, I spend alot of time reading up on history. I also ask questions, about everything, you're just falling into the bias trap there of thinking if someone doesn't think like you do then they mustn't be asking the 'right' questions

Yet you completely deny whole disciplines as cultural anthropology and comparative politics.  Just because you don't like the content of my conclusions, don't deny the legitimacy of the whole fields.

As to that content, apparently its not pc to say negative things about a culture.  (Of course, certain among us do it all the time as to Muslims, but Muslims are dark-skinned, and that's OK apparently.)  Well, tough...I make judgments about archetypal groups of people: I don't like archetypal Republicans; I don't like the archetypal southerner; and I don't like the archetypal eastern European.

I call these tough judgments.  As Liberals, we'd better learn to make tough judgments.  WTF do you think they call us snowflakes for?  Because we are afraid of tough judgments.  Conservatives are off starting the next war, killing babies, and we are still dancing around the tulips, avoiding pc (tough) judgments.

As I've said, I think Dr. Obama was the greatest president we've ever had.  But he had one flaw: he was a snowflake when it comes to tough judgments.  You don't go into a fight with rules; you go into a fight to win.  Fook the pc rules.  (note: every conservative on this board agrees with me, even though tactically they wont say it.)  The one way I am different from the liberals…I hit back.

I can’t help but think that you’re rejecting my harsh ideas because you too want to dance around the tulips.  You like the books, you like the methodology, you like everything except when the outcome isn’t pc.  Conservatives don’t give a sheit about the tulips…they walk through them with combat boots.  That’s why they consider liberals snowflakes.  Start accepting tough judgments, because…well, shit happens.  Life isn’t all springtime, pink flowers, green grass and cute white bunnies.

Nuff said…

So quill lives by guilt by association and on racial and cultural prejudices, that have no scientific bases.

What ever happened to judging people by their character I wonder|?

I call what Quill just argued simple gibberish and a means as bigots do, to justify hate

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:


Eastern Europeans have similar common behaviors, determined by their language, values, beliefs and symbols.  The Slavs have a distinct common culture, with permutations as to language, religion, and other social trends.  To deny that is to deny anthropology as a field.

Incorect, some conform to such a culture, whilst most are distinctly unique
How would your above answer look in say a hundred years, or a hundred years before this was concieved.
This is why sterotypes are poor concieved ideas people hold against people for good or bad
When humans are forever changing and how will such once distinctive groups look in the future. When are cultures have become so intertwined with others?

You are miskewing anthorpology, to make a very poor argument, one that again Hitler would have applauded. It was such anthropological arguments used for the time. That saw Blacks as inferior> Jews and slavs as inferior.

In fact the bases for death camps was sowed in the lands of Namibia when it comes to the racial hatred that Germany came later to use against Jews, slavs, Roma, etc. Such thinking through the Pan Germanic league, that saw expansion through living space and how Imperial Germany looked to ethnically cleanse different African peoples like the Heroes people and the Nama. Were burtalised by the Germans in Namibia. With concentration camps and a death camp called Shark Island.

Contrary to what people think. It was not the British that invented the concentration camp in the war with the Boers. It was the Spanish in Cuba.

Yet nobody would declare today, that the Germans or Spanish, have a culural view to ethnically cleanse and exterminate people, based off past cultures, do they Quill?

Hence your argument is at best idiotic

Hence on my last point I ask again

Original Quill wrote:

Les wrote:I do trust books, I spend alot of time reading up on history. I also ask questions, about everything, you're just falling into the bias trap there of thinking if someone doesn't think like you do then they mustn't be asking the 'right' questions

Yet you completely deny whole disciplines as cultural anthropology and comparative politics.  Just because you don't like the content of my conclusions, don't deny the legitimacy of the whole fields.

As to that content, apparently its not pc to say negative things about a culture.  (Of course, certain among us do it all the time as to Muslims, but Muslims are dark-skinned, and that's OK apparently.)  Well, tough...I make judgments about archetypal groups of people: I don't like archetypal Republicans; I don't like the archetypal southerner; and I don't like the archetypal eastern European.

I call these tough judgments.  As Liberals, we'd better learn to make tough judgments.  WTF do you think they call us snowflakes for?  Because we are afraid of tough judgments.  Conservatives are off starting the next war, killing babies, and we are still dancing around the tulips, avoiding pc (tough) judgments.

As I've said, I think Dr. Obama was the greatest president we've ever had.  But he had one flaw: he was a snowflake when it comes to tough judgments.  You don't go into a fight with rules; you go into a fight to win.  Fook the pc rules.  (note: every conservative on this board agrees with me, even though tactically they wont say it.)  The one way I am different from the liberals…I hit back.

I can’t help but think that you’re rejecting my harsh ideas because you too want to dance around the tulips.  You like the books, you like the methodology, you like everything except when the outcome isn’t pc.  Conservatives don’t give a sheit about the tulips…they walk through them with combat boots.  That’s why they consider liberals snowflakes.  Start accepting tough judgments, because…well, shit happens.  Life isn’t all springtime, pink flowers, green grass and cute white bunnies.

Nuff said…

I reject your harsh ideas because I know Eastern Europeans, Quill, no other reason.

How many Eastern Europeans do you know?

Original Quill wrote:

Ben wrote:It's only a few.

Only a few get a chance.  But the disposition is in all of them.

Don't get me wrong.  The Slavs are excellent planners and cross-checkers (as in chess), but they almost always fuck it up...and they are drunks (who beat their wives).  They are not finishers.

Watch Putin.

Not all Eastern Europeans are Slavs. Just saying.