The old man is going go give it another shot.

Discard the women--America will never elect a woman president, for reasons I have posted many times before. There are many qualified women, but America type-casts it's president. Male's only.

That leaves a motley crew of males. Beto is too inexperienced...particularly, in executive offices. Who else is there?

Biden and Saunders are older, but what do you have against old people, Redneck? Too experienced for ya?

Original Quill wrote:Discard the women--America will never elect a woman president, for reasons I have posted many times before.  There are many qualified women, but America type-casts it's president. Male's only.

That leaves a motley crew of males.  Beto is too inexperienced...particularly, in executive offices.  Who else is there?

Biden and Saunders are older, but what do you have against old people, Redneck?  Too experienced for ya?

Beto is about as experienced as Obama was.

I have nothing against old people. But he is 77, meaning he would be 79 when sworn in. That's pretty damn old for a high stress job.

And it's Sanders, not Saunders professor.

So Quill, you fancy yourself some sort of expert on these matters.

Who would you throw your money on, on the Dem side? Lets Assume Beto and Biden go for it too.

so definitely Trump 4 more more years

Original Quill wrote:Discard the women--America will never elect a woman president, for reasons I have posted many times before.  There are many qualified women, but America type-casts it's president. Male's only.

That leaves a motley crew of males.  Beto is too inexperienced...particularly, in executive offices.  Who else is there?

Biden and Saunders are older, but what do you have against old people, Redneck?  Too experienced for ya?

no, they will never elect a useless woman who's campaign is based on being a woman

Maddog wrote:So Quill, you fancy yourself some sort of expert on these matters.

Who would you throw your money on, on the Dem side? Lets Assume Beto and Biden go for it too.  

ISn't Hilliary going to take her rightful place as queen of all she surveys
#FollowTheTrailOfBodies

Maddog wrote:So Quill, you fancy yourself some sort of expert on these matters.

Who would you throw your money on, on the Dem side? Lets Assume Beto and Biden go for it too.  

That's a tough question. Depends on what you mean with "throw your money on". As a voter, I see myself as a consumer; don't think anyone stands out quite yet. As a political scientist, whoever pays my rate.

If you called on me, I would recall Obama. He was the best president that the US has ever had. Since we are so free with the Constitution these days, I might ignore the Twenty-second Amendment (Amendment XXII) to the United States Constitution and recall the man for another couple of terms.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:So Quill, you fancy yourself some sort of expert on these matters.

Who would you throw your money on, on the Dem side? Lets Assume Beto and Biden go for it too.  

That's a tough question.  Depends on what you mean with "throw your money on".  As a voter, I see myself as a consumer; don't think anyone stands out quite yet.  As a political scientist, whoever pays my rate.

If you called on me, I would recall Obama.  He was the best president that the US has ever had.  Since we are so free with the Constitution these days, I might ignore the Twenty-second Amendment (Amendment XXII) to the United States Constitution and recall the man for another couple of terms.

Who do you think will win the Dem nomination.

It's not really that difficult a question, and Obama isn't one of the choices.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Maddog wrote:So Quill, you fancy yourself some sort of expert on these matters.

Who would you throw your money on, on the Dem side? Lets Assume Beto and Biden go for it too.  

ISn't Hilliary going to take her rightful place as queen of all she surveys
#FollowTheTrailOfBodies

God, if she comes out it will be a fucking circus.

I think she has made peace with the fact that she's never going to be POTUS, but she's driven like no one on this planet.

I wouldn't be completely surprised if she came out though.

As a candidate, not as gay.

The Devil, You Know wrote:so definitely Trump 4 more more years

From polling Trump would lose to Biden or Sanders.

Can I ask, assuming you've been watching and hearing Trump these last 3 years, do you honestly think he's a good choice for president?

Or do you just think 40ish% of Americans are morons?

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:so definitely Trump 4 more more years

From polling Trump would lose to Biden or Sanders.

Can I ask, assuming you've been watching and hearing Trump these last 3 years, do you honestly think he's a good choice for president?

Or do you just think 40ish% of Americans are morons?

The polling said he would lose to Clinton.

I think Biden would beat Trump. I think most of the Dems can beat Trump, but I think Sanders is one of the less likely to beat Trump.

And I know you didn't ask me this question.

[quote="Maddog"]

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:so definitely Trump 4 more more years

From polling Trump would lose to Biden or Sanders.

Can I ask, assuming you've been watching and hearing Trump these last 3 years, do you honestly think he's a good choice for president?

Or do you just think 40ish% of Americans are morons?

The polling said he would lose to Clinton.

I think Biden would beat Trump. I think most of the Dems can beat Trump, but I think Sanders is one of the less likely to beat Trump.

And I know you didn't ask me this question.   [/quote

But I appreciate the answer

Clinton was toxic, though in fairness she beat him in the popular vote, but I get America isn't a pure democracy.

I think Sanders, who polled higher than Clinton in head to heads with Trump in 2016, would look so much more appealing in debates with Trump.

He'd talk policy - Trump can't do that.
He wouldn't get riled - Trump can't do that.
He wouldn't get personal or nasty - Trump can't do that.
He'd sound like he knows what he's talking about - you get the picture...

Of course, the evangelicals who have no problem with a 3 times married, pussy grabbing blackmailer will always vote Trump; but Sander isn't toxic like Clinton was. He'd appeal to low income Americans who saw Trump as their messiah.

Eilzel wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The polling said he would lose to Clinton.

I think Biden would beat Trump. I think most of the Dems can beat Trump, but I think Sanders is one of the less likely to beat Trump.

And I know you didn't ask me this question.   [/quote

But I appreciate the answer

Clinton was toxic, though in fairness she beat him in the popular vote, but I get America isn't a pure democracy.

I think Sanders, who polled higher than Clinton in head to heads with Trump in 2016, would look so much more appealing in debates with Trump.

He'd talk policy - Trump can't do that.
He wouldn't get riled - Trump can't do that.
He wouldn't get personal or nasty - Trump can't do that.
He'd sound like he knows what he's talking about - you get the picture...

Of course, the evangelicals who have no problem with a 3 times married, pussy grabbing blackmailer will always vote Trump; but Sander isn't toxic like Clinton was. He'd appeal to low income Americans who saw Trump as their messiah.

Yeah, but Sanders has some of kooky ideas in terms of socialism.

He's going to hit a wall of support at some point.

I don't dispute the personal description. He's a decent, honest, caring individual.

He just thought Venezuela had an ideal system too.

He reminds me of Jimmy Carter.

Maddog wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The polling said he would lose to Clinton.

I think Biden would beat Trump. I think most of the Dems can beat Trump, but I think Sanders is one of the less likely to beat Trump.

And I know you didn't ask me this question.   [/quote

But I appreciate the answer

Clinton was toxic, though in fairness she beat him in the popular vote, but I get America isn't a pure democracy.

I think Sanders, who polled higher than Clinton in head to heads with Trump in 2016, would look so much more appealing in debates with Trump.

He'd talk policy - Trump can't do that.
He wouldn't get riled - Trump can't do that.
He wouldn't get personal or nasty - Trump can't do that.
He'd sound like he knows what he's talking about - you get the picture...

Of course, the evangelicals who have no problem with a 3 times married, pussy grabbing blackmailer will always vote Trump; but Sander isn't toxic like Clinton was. He'd appeal to low income Americans who saw Trump as their messiah.

Yeah, but Sanders has some of kooky ideas in terms of socialism.

He's going to hit a wall of support at some point.

I don't dispute the personal description. He's a decent, honest, caring individual.

He just thought Venezuela had an ideal system too.

He reminds me of Jimmy Carter.  

The comparisons to Venezuela are an attempt to deligitimize him. He isn't trying to make America Venezuela just because he calls himself a Democratic Socialist.

Eilzel wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yeah, but Sanders has some of kooky ideas in terms of socialism.

He's going to hit a wall of support at some point.

I don't dispute the personal description. He's a decent, honest, caring individual.

He just thought Venezuela had an ideal system too.

He reminds me of Jimmy Carter.  

The comparisons to Venezuela are an attempt to deligitimize him. He isn't trying to make America Venezuela just because he calls himself a Democratic Socialist.

He was talking up Venezuela. That's on Bernie.

"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"


https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america

It's one mistake - even if a pretty awful one.

Sanders can throw it back with Trump's gushing over North Korea alone.

Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) second bid for the White House is barely out the gate, but the lawmaker already has a formidable war chest after leveraging the support of small donors who propelled him to the top of the Democratic pack in 2016.


Sanders has raised more than $4 million from nearly 150,000 people in the 12 hours since he announced his run, campaign officials said Tuesday. The number far surpasses other prominent Democrats who have launched their own bids and is more than double the $1.5 million raised by Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) in her first 24 hours.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-campaign-4-million-dollars_n_5c6ca60ce4b0f40774c9d778?section=politics&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=main_fb&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&fbclid=IwAR3makkj8jEGeQ6xL2bfGblUgneNV1yXnEdXadAs6KqNaNqAf4UUpY0lRjQ&fbclid=IwAR23fB85FahmOe244j7VXJ_nhMb7A6W1NB3yIeaupYpgqyZviUkM5AjxUXc

Well, he won't be lacking in cash, that's for sure.