Today's news from London

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gang-member-who-donned-clown-mask-while-waving-shotgun-during-east-london-police-chase-faces-jail-a4053316.html

A loaded shotgun was found in the car, while cartridges were discovered on the ground nearby. Forensic testing showed it had not been fired on the night of July 26 last year.

Akinsoji was on trial alongside Nathaniel Lewis, 23, Darnell Joseph-Newill, 21, and Troy Ifill, 22, who were also said to be associated with east London gangs, who had formed an alliance under the name "Northside Newham".







https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-47058948

Worcester acid attack accused sent 'nailed it!' text


More about this story here...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6619069/Father-organised-ACID-attack-three-year-old-son-Home-Bargains.html

Father 'organised ACID attack on his three-year-old son in Home Bargains to ruin wife's divorce bid by making her appear an unfit mother - after he asked imam whether it was Islamic to murder her and their three children' 



A court sketch today showing (left to right) Norbert Pulko, Saied Hussini, the father of the boy (who cannot be identified), Martina Badiova, Adam Cech, Jabar Paktia and Jan Dudi





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47045490

Three teenagers have been arrested after a 17-year-old boy was stabbed to death in a street attack in north London.

The victim, who died at the scene on Caledonian Road, Islington, on Tuesday, has been named as Nedim Bilgin.

Two male suspects, aged 16 and 17, were arrested nearby on suspicion of murder, and an 18-year-old man was arrested at an address in Islington, the Met Police said.

All three remain in custody.





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47061701

Gang 'smuggled immigrants in dinghy' into Kent

Thomas Mason, 36, Hoa Thi Nguyen, 49, and Chi Tan Huynh, 41...

And...

Nazmi Velia, 32, of Park Street Lane, St Albans
Egert Kajaci, 35, of Turner Drive, Oxford
Erald Gapi, 27, of Marine Tower, Deptford
Wayne Lee, 46, of Grasmere Close, Watford




https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47054348

Croydon 'zombie knife' sentence overturned








https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47059020

Park Lane doorman murder accused appear in court

Haroon Akram, 25, Adham Khalil, 20, and Adham Elshalakany, 23, appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court earlier.

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
the black on black attacks are increasing for a reason. there must be a common thread, apart from drugs and that may well be the breakdown of family. How many of these people dont have a father figure at home. Why are they predominantly black or non white doing the attacks. It's way out of proportion to the make up of society

You already propose some reasons.

What other reason are you trying to suggest? Come on man, be out with it, you're not usually one for playing shy.

I think it was clear, the breakdown of family.

veya_victaous wrote:if there wasn't racism there wouldn't the the PC movement against racism
So Les is right
the root Cause is some people are Racists Cunts.
not the people trying to stop them being racist cunts, as they wouldn't exists if there wasn't racist cunts.
Like the root cause of a murder is a murderer, not the people that advocates stopping murderers

pretty simple

that may be the case, but also some people refuse to see anything but colour and will excuse them anything.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
the black on black attacks are increasing for a reason. there must be a common thread, apart from drugs and that may well be the breakdown of family. How many of these people dont have a father figure at home. Why are they predominantly black or non white doing the attacks. It's way out of proportion to the make up of society

You already propose some reasons.

What other reason are you trying to suggest? Come on man, be out with it, you're not usually one for playing shy.

I think it was clear, the breakdown of family.

Which is one reasonable cause - not sure that has anything to do with 'Labour's immigration legacy' though; families should always be encouraged to stay together and see the value in that, as much as possible.

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
I think it was clear, the breakdown of family.

Which is one reasonable cause - not sure that has anything to do with 'Labour's immigration legacy' though; families should always be encouraged to stay together and see the value in that, as much as possible.

that is a separate issue, but there certainly has been an increase in foreign born gang culture over the last 2 decades. Taking the jobs of our home grown gangsters.

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
I think it was clear, the breakdown of family.

Which is one reasonable cause - not sure that has anything to do with 'Labour's immigration legacy' though; families should always be encouraged to stay together and see the value in that, as much as possible.

labours immigration policy was a driver of keeping wages down, and cannot be stopped until we leave the EU and stop free movement. Too many people seem to think stopping free movement means stopping immigration, it doesn't it means that we can let those who will contribute to the country in and keep out those who wont. I am not sure why europeans should have an unfair advantage over say those from india, who by the way make up the largest amount of foreign nationals in the NHS, followed by fillipinos. the overwhelming number of staff in the NHS are british


here's a breakdown of eu staff

Eilzel wrote:
Comments like "Labour's mass immigration legacy" and "don't you feel enriched?" alongside the far more frequent posting of images when the criminals are from ethnic minorities, are racism wrapped in vague comments.

And it is vile. Not as vile as the criminals themselves, not nearly, but vile enough that the ONLY reason such stories are posted and commented on is NOT due to horrendous actions or sympathy for victims - but to indirectly slur ethnic minorities and throw political stones.

I don't agree les

we have always had immigration and I, for one, had an incredibly multi cultural upbringing, it couldn't have been more so. but no one asked for a sudden open door mass uncontrolled immigration to start. stats have proved that blacks and Muslims are masssively overly represented in the prison population compared to the percentage overall population.

it is a lot to do with labours immigration policy when zero checks are done fir this.

furthermore, no way is vintage a racist. ''enriched'' is a word constantly used by politicians whenever any complaint or concern is raised so it's sarcasm is all

I like a bit of sarcasm, it finds out who has a sense of humour, [and who doesn't] !

gelico wrote:

Eilzel wrote:
Comments like "Labour's mass immigration legacy" and "don't you feel enriched?" alongside the far more frequent posting of images when the criminals are from ethnic minorities, are racism wrapped in vague comments.

And it is vile. Not as vile as the criminals themselves, not nearly, but vile enough that the ONLY reason such stories are posted and commented on is NOT due to horrendous actions or sympathy for victims - but to indirectly slur ethnic minorities and throw political stones.

I don't agree les

we have always had immigration and I, for one, had an incredibly multi cultural upbringing, it couldn't have been more so.  but no one asked for a sudden open door mass uncontrolled immigration to start.  stats have proved that blacks and Muslims are masssively overly represented in the prison population compared to the percentage overall population.

it is a lot to do with labours immigration policy when zero checks are done fir this.

furthermore, no way is vintage a racist.  ''enriched'' is a word constantly used by politicians whenever any complaint or concern is raised so it's  sarcasm is all

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Absolutely where tommy is concerned, and I personally feel the sneering use of enriched is almost code for 'these horrible foreigners'.

Eilzel wrote:

gelico wrote:


I don't agree les

we have always had immigration and I, for one, had an incredibly multi cultural upbringing, it couldn't have been more so.  but no one asked for a sudden open door mass uncontrolled immigration to start.  stats have proved that blacks and Muslims are masssively overly represented in the prison population compared to the percentage overall population.

it is a lot to do with labours immigration policy when zero checks are done fir this.

furthermore, no way is vintage a racist.  ''enriched'' is a word constantly used by politicians whenever any complaint or concern is raised so it's  sarcasm is all

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Absolutely where tommy is concerned, and I personally feel the sneering use of enriched is almost code for 'these horrible foreigners'.

he is beating the left with their own terminology

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

gelico wrote:


I don't agree les

we have always had immigration and I, for one, had an incredibly multi cultural upbringing, it couldn't have been more so.  but no one asked for a sudden open door mass uncontrolled immigration to start.  stats have proved that blacks and Muslims are masssively overly represented in the prison population compared to the percentage overall population.

it is a lot to do with labours immigration policy when zero checks are done fir this.

furthermore, no way is vintage a racist.  ''enriched'' is a word constantly used by politicians whenever any complaint or concern is raised so it's  sarcasm is all

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Absolutely where tommy is concerned, and I personally feel the sneering use of enriched is almost code for 'these horrible foreigners'.

he is beating the left with their own terminology

He is a prime example of how extreme conservatives have led to the existence of extreme SJWs. Both a nonsense sides of same destructive coin - only, extreme conservatives will never accept that their views have led to the sometimes stupid and dangerous agendas of extreme PC and SJWs.

Original Quill wrote:

Jules wrote:Tommy is a cool, clever customer,

I smiled at that too....possibly for different reasons though.

I dont see Tommy as a cool clever customer, more someone who just writes what he thinks without trying to curry favour or be nice...he is honest.
I dont agree with a lot of what he says, but he makes his points clearly, and he certainly  has the right to his opinion as much as anyone else here.

Reading through the thread though....maybe this would be a good thread to update now and again on the topical London news, just to show that the murderers, rapists, plunderers and looters who are making the headlines in the Capital come in all shapes and sizes.

Being a northerner myself  (in the minority on here) it would be nice if some of the southerners did the honours.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Jules wrote:Tommy is a cool, clever customer,

I smiled at that too....possibly for different reasons though.

I dont see Tommy as a cool clever customer, more someone who just writes what he thinks without trying to curry favour or be nice...he is honest.
I dont agree with a lot of what he says, but he makes his points clearly, and he certainly  has the right to his opinion as much as anyone else here.

Fair post.

He can post as he likes, and if anyone feels there's an underlying motive for a comment or thread made then anyone is free to comment on that too.

Other people might not consider him racist, because calling people racist today is almost as taboo as being racist. But I tire of pretending people aren't what they are.

Andy wrote:Didn't Tommy applaud Anders Breivik for the mass slaughter of 80 innocent kids?
That alone transcends free speech and should have resulted in a life ban from Forumotion.

Jules wrote:
I must confess it was painful to see Tommy fiercely defending the guy who accosted & murdered Jo Cox,labour MP.
It's a very painful way to die and it was 1,00000% politically motivated.

No, I don't think he should have been life-banned for that, tbh.
A one-day basementing, at most would have sufficed.
Tommy is a cool, clever customer, he does not commit outright bannable offences, he
knows how to stay just within the boundaries of bannable posts.

Raggamuffin wrote:
Why should Tommy be basemented for having an opinion on a news story?

You really need to get a grip.

Calm down and read posts more carefully before you rush to tell people to get a grip, Ragga.
When I mentioned basementing I wasn't referring to his Jo Cox comments.
I was actually trying to calm Andy down, as he had suggested a life ban for the comments re the massacre of 80 Norway kids.

I suggested that a 1 day ban, at most,  was more apt than a lifetime ban.
IE my post was a lot milder than the person I was replying to.
Read back!

In any case let's not pretend that just because we are all ''entitled to our opinion'' , there is NO limit to how eyewateringly crass & insensitive we can be. There is!

Eg if a woman's baby has a cot death and you tweet that it's your opinion that the poor baby deserved to die [because you dislike the mother for whatever reason] the plod will 'have a word' if the mother becomes distressed and pursues the matter. ''Opinion'' or not.

Extreme cruelty is an offence - this is a little known fact.

Tommy Monk wrote:

For starters... I never praised brevik in any way at all...!


Also... I never defended the Jo Cox murderer... I merely questioned the motive... and questioned the authenticity of some of other people's picture posts of him that purported to show him with extremists, and other posters agreed that the pictures looked photoshopped...


I get a lot of shit thrown at me on this forum... rarely any action taken against those doing the throwing... and I very very rarely ever make any fuss about any of it to any of the admins... but if I had ever thrown any of this shit at anyone else, I'm sure I would have been banned long ago!!!


All in the name of equality mind...!

Well you argued fiercely about his possible motives like you were almost trying to justify the murder, somehow. 
This went on for 3 solid days, as I recall. 
Frankly you did not seem to give a rats ass about the murdered MP.

Anyway .... at least the guy left you in no doubt what his motive was,  cos the first chance he got to speak in court, he made his motive crystal clear. It was 1million % political.

veya_victaous wrote:if there wasn't racism there wouldn't the the PC movement against racism
So Les is right
the root Cause is some people are Racists Cunts. not the people trying to stop them being racist cunts, as they wouldn't exists if there wasn't racist cunts.
Like the root cause of a murder is a murderer, not the people that advocates stopping murderers

pretty simple

Amen to that!
And a person who mentions bias is not biased, he/she is merely someone trying to stop the bias. 

eilzel wrote............... "My point was that racism CAUSED situations like those to be able to happen in the first place, and until people wirh disgusting views like yours accept some responsibility we'll never truly solve these problems."

HUH? so what ARE you saying? that these gangs were a result of people being racist, that these poor misunderstood Muslims were merely reacting to racists and not "really" just a bunch of out of control religiously (and racially) motivated paedos?

or are you supporting the idea that the police and council reaction was out of fear of a charge of "racism" because racism exists, rather than corruption collaboration and complicity?

what a clever L/W trick .....blame the excesses of an alien religious minority upon the actions of the R/W ...and then the fact that its actually down to L/W namby pamby, wishy washy law making, punishment and corruption, coupled with the L/W ideal of a world full of "little (coffee coloured) grey men in little grey boxes all thinking the same little grey thoughts" enacted by uncontrolled, unmitigated and thoughtless immigration policies, can conveniently be brushed under the carpet.

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
he is beating the left with their own terminology

He is a prime example of how extreme conservatives have led to the existence of extreme SJWs. Both a nonsense sides of same destructive coin - only, extreme conservatives will never accept that their views have led to the sometimes stupid and dangerous agendas of extreme PC and SJWs.

I'm not an "extreme" anything... I agree with 75% of the British people on immigration...

https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-three-quarters-of-brits-back-dramatic-fall-in-immigration/


And your argument is totally backwards... it is mass immigration being allowed in the first place that has caused the dislike of the British people... and trying to dress it up as "racism" is completely disingenuous...!!!

Syl wrote:Reading through the thread though....maybe this would be a good thread to update now and again on the topical London news, just to show that the murderers, rapists, plunderers and looters who are making the headlines in the Capital come in all shapes and sizes.

Being a northerner myself  (in the minority on here) it would be nice if some of the southerners did the honours.

Well... in just the last few days there has been even more stabbings and shootings in areas with high numbers of non white British here in London...


One of there was a big fight where people were armed with knives and even samauri swords and one was murdered and another was seriously injured by being shot and stabbed...

Jules wrote:

Andy wrote:Didn't Tommy applaud Anders Breivik for the mass slaughter of 80 innocent kids?
That alone transcends free speech and should have resulted in a life ban from Forumotion.

Jules wrote:
I must confess it was painful to see Tommy fiercely defending the guy who accosted & murdered Jo Cox,labour MP.
It's a very painful way to die and it was 1,00000% politically motivated.

No, I don't think he should have been life-banned for that, tbh.
A one-day basementing, at most would have sufficed.
Tommy is a cool, clever customer, he does not commit outright bannable offences, he
knows how to stay just within the boundaries of bannable posts.

Raggamuffin wrote:
Why should Tommy be basemented for having an opinion on a news story?

You really need to get a grip.

Calm down and read posts more carefully before you rush to tell people to get a grip, Ragga.
When I mentioned basementing I wasn't referring to his Jo Cox comments.
I was actually trying to calm Andy down, as he had suggested a life ban for the comments re the massacre of 80 Norway kids.

I suggested that a 1 day ban, at most,  was more apt than a lifetime ban.
IE my post was a lot milder than the person I was replying to.
Read back!

I repeat... I never praised brevik... and I only merely questioned the motive for Mair killing Cox... plus pointed out his long history of mental health problems as well as the fact that the local authorities were trying to evict him from his home of 40 years in favour of giving it to immigrants...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3966766/Did-Neo-Nazi-murder-Jo-fear-d-lose-council-house-grew-Terrorist-thought-property-end-occupied-immigrant-family-MP-wouldn-t-help-him.html

One of the places he attended regularly was Pathways Day Services Mirfield, locals and neighbours did speak back at time of him having mental health issues and also suffering from OCD ( apparently he used to scrub himself with pan scourers) which police also said they discovered evidence of him being OCD in their searches .

http://communitydirectory.kirklees.gov.uk/communityDirectory/organisationdetails.aspx?orgid=323

Pathways Day Services is for adults who are recovering from mental distress. The service offers a range of meaningful activities that help people build up confidence and self esteem, learn new skills and increase and develop strengths and interests, in a supportive environment. Also, help and support for carers of people with severe and enduring mental health problems. Offers information on mental illness and making space services, which also includes family support workers and support group meetings.Please see our website or contact us for more details. Pathways Day Services is run jointly by Kirklees Council and the NHS and this service covers all Kirklees 

Lord Foul wrote:eilzel wrote............... "My point was that racism CAUSED situations like those to be able to happen in the first place, and until people wirh disgusting views like yours accept some responsibility we'll never truly solve these problems."

HUH? so what ARE you saying? that these gangs were a result of people being racist, that these poor misunderstood Muslims were merely reacting to racists and not "really" just a bunch of out of control religiously (and racially) motivated paedos?

or are you supporting the idea that the police and council reaction was out of fear of a charge of "racism" because racism exists, rather than corruption collaboration and complicity?

what a clever L/W trick .....blame the excesses of an alien religious minority upon the actions of the R/W ...and then the fact that its actually down to L/W namby pamby, wishy washy law making, punishment and corruption, coupled with the L/W ideal of a world full of "little (coffee coloured) grey men in little grey boxes all thinking the same little grey thoughts" enacted by uncontrolled, unmitigated and thoughtless immigration policies, can conveniently be brushed under the carpet.

What I'm saying is not rocket science, and was already made even clearer by Veya. The rest of your post is the same old grey men ramblings we've seen before so no need to reply to that

Lord Foul wrote:eilzel wrote............... "My point was that racism CAUSED situations like those to be able to happen in the first place, and until people wirh disgusting views like yours accept some responsibility we'll never truly solve these problems."

HUH? so what ARE you saying? that these gangs were a result of people being racist, that these poor misunderstood Muslims were merely reacting to racists and not "really" just a bunch of out of control religiously (and racially) motivated paedos?

or are you supporting the idea that the police and council reaction was out of fear of a charge of "racism" because racism exists, rather than corruption collaboration and complicity?

what a clever L/W trick .....blame the excesses of an alien religious minority upon the actions of the R/W ...and then the fact that its actually down to L/W namby pamby, wishy washy law making, punishment and corruption, coupled with the L/W ideal of a world full of "little (coffee coloured) grey men in little grey boxes all thinking the same little grey thoughts" enacted by uncontrolled, unmitigated and thoughtless immigration policies, can conveniently be brushed under the carpet.

Green from me... he is clearly insane to actually believe his own bullshit and not to realise how twisted it actually is!!!

You can't reply cause you know it's the truth, and it goes against your left wing thinking !

Eilzel wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:eilzel wrote............... "My point was that racism CAUSED situations like those to be able to happen in the first place, and until people wirh disgusting views like yours accept some responsibility we'll never truly solve these problems."

HUH? so what ARE you saying? that these gangs were a result of people being racist, that these poor misunderstood Muslims were merely reacting to racists and not "really" just a bunch of out of control religiously (and racially) motivated paedos?

or are you supporting the idea that the police and council reaction was out of fear of a charge of "racism" because racism exists, rather than corruption collaboration and complicity?

what a clever L/W trick .....blame the excesses of an alien religious minority upon the actions of the R/W ...and then the fact that its actually down to L/W namby pamby, wishy washy law making, punishment and corruption, coupled with the L/W ideal of a world full of "little (coffee coloured) grey men in little grey boxes all thinking the same little grey thoughts" enacted by uncontrolled, unmitigated and thoughtless immigration policies, can conveniently be brushed under the carpet.

What I'm saying is not rocket science, and was already made even clearer by Veya. The rest of your post is the same old grey men ramblings we've seen before so no need to reply to that

so YERS you ARE admitting to ....... "what a clever L/W trick .....blame the excesses of an alien religious minority upon the actions of the R/W ...and then the fact that its actually down to L/W namby pamby, wishy washy law making, punishment and corruption, coupled with the L/W ideal of a world full of "little (coffee coloured) grey men in little grey boxes all thinking the same little grey thoughts" enacted by uncontrolled, unmitigated and thoughtless immigration policies, can conveniently be brushed under the carpet."

YOU ARE saying that these paedo gangs wouldnt have existed if it wasnt for the racists?

OR you are saying that they wouldnt have been facilitated for so long if it wasnt for those you consider racist


perhaps it would have been best if the "racists" had just shut up and let them carry on ....just like the L/W councils and police forces.......?????


OR...maybe...just maybe the left should look at its ideals.....and realise that allowing unsustainable numbers of an alien culture into our culture, that does not share our values, with no control, facilitating their differences and protecting them from criticism etc......isnt such a great idea after all

It strikes me from conversations with a number of lefties, on this subject that in fact their preferred means of dealing with this would be to shut up those who decry these gangs, hide the whole thing away and keep on pretending that in reality it isn't happening and its all a delusion of the wicked R/W, Rather than severely punikshing those who have been caught and sending a clear message that if it doesnt stop, boy are you in for a shed load of shit....

I'd like both councils and authorities to do their jobs in stopping abuse of any kind, obviously. I don't care if they have to be 'unPC' to do so.

I'd also like to see an end to racism of any kind too. Including the seething, underlying kind that sees news stories blatantly exploited to suggest things about whole groups of society. Especially when in this case that same person tries to prove a white paedophile is innocent.

And obviously no one said abuse should be allowed to carry on - that's just ridiculous hyperbole on your part but you obviously have an insane amount of bias on this subject.

yes, but then equally obviously anyone with a different opinion has a bias...

Lord Foul wrote:yes, but then equally obviously anyone with a different opinion has a bias...

Hmmm, I want to see a nonPC, ruthlessness in dealing with abuse in any community, with no fears of racism accusations and no cover ups.

I also want to see racism erradicated.

I want, therefore, what surely everybody wants.

Only it seems some conservative minded people don't much care about dealing with racism whatsoever

And yes, posting this thread was clearly done with racist intent.

tommy would only post once every few months if he only reported white crimes of this nature..........

fill in the blanks in the following sentence

the vast majority of violent crime in London and other major cities is committed by......... upon ..........

Eilzel wrote:I'd like both councils and authorities to do their jobs in stopping abuse of any kind, obviously. I don't care if they have to be 'unPC' to do so.

I'd also like to see an end to racism of any kind too. Including the seething, underlying kind that sees news stories blatantly exploited to suggest things about whole groups of society. Especially when in this case that same person tries to prove a white paedophile is innocent.

And obviously no one said abuse should be allowed to carry on - that's just ridiculous hyperbole on your part but you obviously have an insane amount of bias on this subject.

Of course there were concerted efforts to allow the abuse by the Pakistani Muslim gangs to carry on... as there were clearly decisions made to ignore the victims and not take the required action against the perpetrators... as well as actively cover up and deny it all...!!!


What was all that if it wasn't allowing the abuse to carry on...!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:I'd like both councils and authorities to do their jobs in stopping abuse of any kind, obviously. I don't care if they have to be 'unPC' to do so.

I'd also like to see an end to racism of any kind too. Including the seething, underlying kind that sees news stories blatantly exploited to suggest things about whole groups of society. Especially when in this case that same person tries to prove a white paedophile is innocent.

And obviously no one said abuse should be allowed to carry on - that's just ridiculous hyperbole on your part but you obviously have an insane amount of bias on this subject.

Of course there were concerted efforts to allow the abuse by the Pakistani Muslim gangs to carry on... as there were clearly decisions made to ignore the victims and not take the required action against the perpetrators... as well as actively cover up and deny it all...!!!


What was all that if it wasn't allowing the abuse to carry on...!!!???

What do you understand by the words 'should be'?

Actions speak louder than words...

Jules wrote:

Andy wrote:Didn't Tommy applaud Anders Breivik for the mass slaughter of 80 innocent kids?
That alone transcends free speech and should have resulted in a life ban from Forumotion.

Jules wrote:
I must confess it was painful to see Tommy fiercely defending the guy who accosted & murdered Jo Cox,labour MP.
It's a very painful way to die and it was 1,00000% politically motivated.

No, I don't think he should have been life-banned for that, tbh.
A one-day basementing, at most would have sufficed.
Tommy is a cool, clever customer, he does not commit outright bannable offences, he
knows how to stay just within the boundaries of bannable posts.

Raggamuffin wrote:
Why should Tommy be basemented for having an opinion on a news story?

You really need to get a grip.

Calm down and read posts more carefully before you rush to tell people to get a grip, Ragga.
When I mentioned basementing I wasn't referring to his Jo Cox comments.
I was actually trying to calm Andy down, as he had suggested a life ban for the comments re the massacre of 80 Norway kids.

I suggested that a 1 day ban, at most,  was more apt than a lifetime ban.
IE my post was a lot milder than the person I was replying to.
Read back!

I didn't misread anything. Andy said that Tommy said something bad, and you automatically believed him and suggest that Tommy should have been put in the basement. Please get your head out of your arse and check out those sort of claims before you comment on them.

Eilzel wrote:I'd like both councils and authorities to do their jobs in stopping abuse of any kind, obviously. I don't care if they have to be 'unPC' to do so.

I'd also like to see an end to racism of any kind too. Including the seething, underlying kind that sees news stories blatantly exploited to suggest things about whole groups of society. Especially when in this case that same person tries to prove a white paedophile is innocent.

And obviously no one said abuse should be allowed to carry on - that's just ridiculous hyperbole on your part but you obviously have an insane amount of bias on this subject.

It's absurd to say that someone is racist just because he's questioning the verdict on a white male. I got the same nonsense re the Zimmerman trial. Some people said I must be racist to think that it was self defence. What about the all the people who still look for evidence to prove Jeremy Bamber is innocent? Are they racists too?

Eilzel wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
he is beating the left with their own terminology

He is a prime example of how extreme conservatives have led to the existence of extreme SJWs. Both a nonsense sides of same destructive coin - only, extreme conservatives will never accept that their views have led to the sometimes stupid and dangerous agendas of extreme PC and SJWs.

that problem arose with the term political correctness, what that actually means is not speaking your mind.

Eilzel wrote:

Syl wrote:

I smiled at that too....possibly for different reasons though.

I dont see Tommy as a cool clever customer, more someone who just writes what he thinks without trying to curry favour or be nice...he is honest.
I dont agree with a lot of what he says, but he makes his points clearly, and he certainly  has the right to his opinion as much as anyone else here.

Fair post.

He can post as he likes, and if anyone feels there's an underlying motive for a comment or thread made then anyone is free to comment on that too.

Other people might not consider him racist, because calling people racist today is almost as taboo as being racist. But I tire of pretending people aren't what they are.

yes, but racist or nazi is the politically corrects default option to shut down things they dont want to hear.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Fair post.

He can post as he likes, and if anyone feels there's an underlying motive for a comment or thread made then anyone is free to comment on that too.

Other people might not consider him racist, because calling people racist today is almost as taboo as being racist. But I tire of pretending people aren't what they are.

yes, but racist or nazi is the politically corrects default option to shut down things they dont want to hear.

Very true flap...!

Jules wrote:In any case let's not pretend that just because we are all ''entitled to our opinion'' , there is NO limit to how eyewateringly crass & insensitive we can be. There is!

Eg if a woman's baby has a cot death and you tweet that it's your opinion that the poor baby deserved to die [because you dislike the mother for whatever reason] the plod will 'have a word' if the mother becomes distressed and pursues the matter. ''Opinion'' or not.

Extreme cruelty is an offence - this is a little known fact.

you or anyone being offended is your problem not the person giving the offence. there is absolutely nothing wrong in being offensive. It often gets to the root a lot quicker than all the worthy words trying to avoid offence. I think out in youtube land there are excellent clips of both stephen fry and billy Connelly making exactly those points.
Just because something offends you does not mean it automatically offends everyone. for instance I could be highly offended by much spouted by corbn and his cronies, as much as I would like it, I don't think he should be shut down for it.

Eilzel wrote:I'd like both councils and authorities to do their jobs in stopping abuse of any kind, obviously. I don't care if they have to be 'unPC' to do so.

I'd also like to see an end to racism of any kind too. Including the seething, underlying kind that sees news stories blatantly exploited to suggest things about whole groups of society. Especially when in this case that same person tries to prove a white paedophile is innocent.

And obviously no one said abuse should be allowed to carry on - that's just ridiculous hyperbole on your part but you obviously have an insane amount of bias on this subject.

racism is just tribalism writ large.
what for instance about the racism of the islamists that seems to get a free pass until they blow up, run down or shoot someone. that has been going on for 1400 years now without barely a change, but we are supposed to welcome it into our society and tolerate it, without any reciprocity. I make a very clear distinction between Muslims in general and islamists by the way. I have never felt anything but welcomed by my Muslim neighbours here in turkey, I am not so sure that would be the case if I moved to some where like tower hamlets or sparkhill. Islamists do not want to integrate, they want to infiltrate, and the politically correct are facilitating that to the detriment of communities that have lived peacefully for generations. Getting back to tribalism, everyone is tribalist to some extent, your family, your football team, your town. but when it comes to your country that seems a step to far for some people to accept.

Tommy Monk wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
yes, but racist or nazi is the politically corrects default option to shut down things they dont want to hear.

Very true flap...!

oh no floppettes backing each other up.
it will save wolfie the time

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Eilzel wrote:I'd like both councils and authorities to do their jobs in stopping abuse of any kind, obviously. I don't care if they have to be 'unPC' to do so.

I'd also like to see an end to racism of any kind too. Including the seething, underlying kind that sees news stories blatantly exploited to suggest things about whole groups of society. Especially when in this case that same person tries to prove a white paedophile is innocent.

And obviously no one said abuse should be allowed to carry on - that's just ridiculous hyperbole on your part but you obviously have an insane amount of bias on this subject.

racism is just tribalism writ large.
what for instance about the racism of the islamists that seems to get a free pass until they blow up, run down or shoot someone. that has been going on for 1400 years now without barely a change, but we are supposed to welcome it into our society and tolerate it, without any reciprocity. I make a very clear distinction between Muslims in general and islamists by the way. I have never felt anything but welcomed by my Muslim neighbours here in turkey, I am not so sure that would be the case if I moved to some where like tower hamlets or sparkhill. Islamists do not want to integrate, they want to infiltrate, and the politically correct are facilitating that to the detriment of communities that have lived peacefully for generations. Getting back to tribalism, everyone is tribalist to some extent, your family, your football team, your town. but when it comes to your country that seems a step to far for some people to accept.

Curious about your theory of racism = tribalism. When you say racism is tribalism "writ large" are you saying that the natural state of man is tribalism? I get that you are saying that racism is a natural state of tribalism, but is it a natural state of human beings?

And is 'natural' the same as 'moral'?

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
racism is just tribalism writ large.
what for instance about the racism of the islamists that seems to get a free pass until they blow up, run down or shoot someone. that has been going on for 1400 years now without barely a change, but we are supposed to welcome it into our society and tolerate it, without any reciprocity. I make a very clear distinction between Muslims in general and islamists by the way. I have never felt anything but welcomed by my Muslim neighbours here in turkey, I am not so sure that would be the case if I moved to some where like tower hamlets or sparkhill. Islamists do not want to integrate, they want to infiltrate, and the politically correct are facilitating that to the detriment of communities that have lived peacefully for generations. Getting back to tribalism, everyone is tribalist to some extent, your family, your football team, your town. but when it comes to your country that seems a step to far for some people to accept.

Curious about your theory of racism = tribalism.  When you say racism is tribalism "writ large" are you saying that the natural state of man is tribalism?  I get that you are saying that racism is a natural state of tribalism, but is it a natural state of human beings?

And is 'natural' the same as 'moral'?

yes I am saying the natural state of man is tribalism, family tribe, village, you dont evolve out of a million years of evolution in a few thousand years.
look at how many tribes people belong to today. family, block, sports team, city, state, country, hemisphere. Many people would be willing to fight or in some cases die to protect many of those. racism is just an extension of tribalism.
A case in point would be that american missionary who was killed by the lost tribe recently. they were being tribal and racist in their attack and murder of him.

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
racism is just tribalism writ large.
what for instance about the racism of the islamists that seems to get a free pass until they blow up, run down or shoot someone. that has been going on for 1400 years now without barely a change, but we are supposed to welcome it into our society and tolerate it, without any reciprocity. I make a very clear distinction between Muslims in general and islamists by the way. I have never felt anything but welcomed by my Muslim neighbours here in turkey, I am not so sure that would be the case if I moved to some where like tower hamlets or sparkhill. Islamists do not want to integrate, they want to infiltrate, and the politically correct are facilitating that to the detriment of communities that have lived peacefully for generations. Getting back to tribalism, everyone is tribalist to some extent, your family, your football team, your town. but when it comes to your country that seems a step to far for some people to accept.

Curious about your theory of racism = tribalism.  When you say racism is tribalism "writ large" are you saying that the natural state of man is tribalism?  I get that you are saying that racism is a natural state of tribalism, but is it a natural state of human beings?

And is 'natural' the same as 'moral'?

moral is a very fluid state.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Curious about your theory of racism = tribalism.  When you say racism is tribalism "writ large" are you saying that the natural state of man is tribalism?  I get that you are saying that racism is a natural state of tribalism, but is it a natural state of human beings?

And is 'natural' the same as 'moral'?

yes I am saying the natural state of man is tribalism, family tribe, village, you dont evolve out of a million years of evolution in a few thousand years.
look at how many tribes people belong to today. family, block, sports team, city, state, country, hemisphere. Many people would be willing to fight or in some cases die to protect many of those. racism is just an extension of tribalism.
A case in point would be that american missionary who was killed by the lost tribe recently. they were being tribal and  racist in their attack and murder of him.

Nobody seemed to criticise that tribe who killed that man. Strange that.

Raggamuffin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
yes I am saying the natural state of man is tribalism, family tribe, village, you dont evolve out of a million years of evolution in a few thousand years.
look at how many tribes people belong to today. family, block, sports team, city, state, country, hemisphere. Many people would be willing to fight or in some cases die to protect many of those. racism is just an extension of tribalism.
A case in point would be that american missionary who was killed by the lost tribe recently. they were being tribal and  racist in their attack and murder of him.

Nobody seemed to criticise that tribe who killed that man. Strange that.

they were just doing what is natural.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nobody seemed to criticise that tribe who killed that man. Strange that.

they were just doing what is natural.

That was the impression I got, but if a bunch of English people killed a "foreigner", nobody would say they were just doing what is natural.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Curious about your theory of racism = tribalism.  When you say racism is tribalism "writ large" are you saying that the natural state of man is tribalism?  I get that you are saying that racism is a natural state of tribalism, but is it a natural state of human beings?

And is 'natural' the same as 'moral'?

moral is a very fluid state.

indee

racism is more than acceptable to the left when its rebranded as "positive action"

Raggamuffin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
they were just doing what is natural.

That was the impression I got, but if a bunch of English people killed a "foreigner", nobody would say they were just doing what is natural.

its so unnatural that we are still hearing about people whining about stephen lawerence 20 years laters