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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gang-member-who-donned-clown-mask-while-waving-shotgun-during-east-london-police-chase-faces-jail-a4053316.html

A loaded shotgun was found in the car, while cartridges were discovered on the ground nearby. Forensic testing showed it had not been fired on the night of July 26 last year.

Akinsoji was on trial alongside Nathaniel Lewis, 23, Darnell Joseph-Newill, 21, and Troy Ifill, 22, who were also said to be associated with east London gangs, who had formed an alliance under the name "Northside Newham".







https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-47058948

Worcester acid attack accused sent 'nailed it!' text


More about this story here...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6619069/Father-organised-ACID-attack-three-year-old-son-Home-Bargains.html

Father 'organised ACID attack on his three-year-old son in Home Bargains to ruin wife's divorce bid by making her appear an unfit mother - after he asked imam whether it was Islamic to murder her and their three children' 



A court sketch today showing (left to right) Norbert Pulko, Saied Hussini, the father of the boy (who cannot be identified), Martina Badiova, Adam Cech, Jabar Paktia and Jan Dudi





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47045490

Three teenagers have been arrested after a 17-year-old boy was stabbed to death in a street attack in north London.

The victim, who died at the scene on Caledonian Road, Islington, on Tuesday, has been named as Nedim Bilgin.

Two male suspects, aged 16 and 17, were arrested nearby on suspicion of murder, and an 18-year-old man was arrested at an address in Islington, the Met Police said.

All three remain in custody.





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47061701

Gang 'smuggled immigrants in dinghy' into Kent

Thomas Mason, 36, Hoa Thi Nguyen, 49, and Chi Tan Huynh, 41...

And...

Nazmi Velia, 32, of Park Street Lane, St Albans
Egert Kajaci, 35, of Turner Drive, Oxford
Erald Gapi, 27, of Marine Tower, Deptford
Wayne Lee, 46, of Grasmere Close, Watford




https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47054348

Croydon 'zombie knife' sentence overturned








https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47059020

Park Lane doorman murder accused appear in court

Haroon Akram, 25, Adham Khalil, 20, and Adham Elshalakany, 23, appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court earlier.

And Tommy is silent

I have to conclude that Andy is then right.

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



I haven't run away anywhere dodge..!


If you saw me coming at you... trust me, it would be you doing the running...!!!

ha ha you shat your pants mate

What happened the other night then?

You had a meltdown, threw a hissy fit, threatened me with violence, and said you were going to send me your address and phone number...


I think you were just trying to get yourself banned... because my PM inbox is still empty...

Can anyone see how he dodged again condemning?

I sent you my details

I guess you deleted them to shy away from being a coward

Here they are again

My mobile

07916672560

Buck buck

Opps

I guess Andy's accusation has to be right  

OIh and for the record Hugh tried this and and i asked Eddie to call me

We had a good chat at the time

Eddie can back this up, when Hugh lost the plot on inaflap, claiming I fucked my brothers and dad. I never acted like a whimp like you

I called him out and he claimed he was a black belt

That was



He shat his pants


Now either you can dispell the claims, or add fuel to the fact. On what we already know, you support extremists?

Your choice

Thor wrote:Can anyone see how he dodged again condemning?

I sent you my details

I guess you deleted them to shy away from being a coward  

Here they are again

My mobile

07916672560

Buck buck

Opps

I guess Andy's accusation has to be right  

My PM inbox is empty...


You live in a fantasy world...!

Thor wrote:OIh and for the record Hugh tried this and and i asked Eddie to call me

We had a good chat at the time

Eddie can back this up, when Hugh lost the plot on inaflap, claiming I fucked my brothers and dad. I never acted like a whimp like you

I called him out and he claimed he was a black belt

That was



He shat his pants


Now either you can dispell the claims, or add fuel to the fact. On what we already know, you support extremists?

Your choice

I have no idea what you are on about but I doubt he shat his pants

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thor wrote:Can anyone see how he dodged again condemning?

I sent you my details

I guess you deleted them to shy away from being a coward  

Here they are again

My mobile

07916672560

Buck buck

Opps

I guess Andy's accusation has to be right  

My PM inbox is empty...


You live in a fantasy world...!

I just openly posted my number

Wholooks more like they are lying?

I suggest that Andy is correct and you are a racist hateful extremist

What are you going to do about that?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:OIh and for the record Hugh tried this and and i asked Eddie to call me

We had a good chat at the time

Eddie can back this up, when Hugh lost the plot on inaflap, claiming I fucked my brothers and dad. I never acted like a whimp like you

I called him out and he claimed he was a black belt

That was



He shat his pants


Now either you can dispell the claims, or add fuel to the fact. On what we already know, you support extremists?

Your choice

I have no idea what you are on about but I doubt he shat his pants

He calimed I lied over my mobile, which you allowed by the way and claimed that I was fucked by my past father and brother. Which you allowed again. The funniest part about this, was when Eddie called me, after he called me a liar

He looked a complete dick

Eddioe and i spoke on the phone, but you took for the fact, that he was danger mouse

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



My PM inbox is empty...


You live in a fantasy world...!

I just openly posted my number

Wholooks more like they are lying?

I suggest that Andy is correct and you are a racist hateful extremist

What are you going to do about that?

Why are you posting up 'your number' dodge...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thor wrote:

I just openly posted my number

Wholooks more like they are lying?

I suggest that Andy is correct and you are a racist hateful extremist

What are you going to do about that?

Why are you posting up 'your number' dodge...!?

To prove your claim is a lie

Just is your claim to condemn the killer of Jo Cox

That number is always there for you to call mate

Thor wrote:Can anyone see how he dodged again condemning?

I sent you my details

I guess you deleted them to shy away from being a coward  

Here they are again

My mobile

************

Buck buck

Opps

I guess Andy's accusation has to be right  

If you really must post your phone number (though I have no idea why you are doing so) you should put it in the private part of the forum not visible for any old nutter to see.

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Why are you posting up 'your number' dodge...!?

To prove your claim is a lie

Just is your claim to condemn the killer of Jo Cox

That number is always there for you to call mate  

All that proves is that you just posted 'your number'...


Why would you be posting your number...!?


Why would I want to phone you up...!?


I don't even really want to be talking to you on this forum!!!

Syl wrote:

Thor wrote:Can anyone see how he dodged again condemning?

I sent you my details

I guess you deleted them to shy away from being a coward  

Here they are again

My mobile

************

Buck buck

Opps

I guess Andy's accusation has to be right  

If you really must post your phone number (though I have no idea why you are doing so) you should put it in the private part of the forum not visible for any old nutter to see.  

Why?

I simple do not mind who sees

Its actually also open on social media

I have nothing to hide

Syl wrote:

Thor wrote:Can anyone see how he dodged again condemning?

I sent you my details

I guess you deleted them to shy away from being a coward  

Here they are again

My mobile

************

Buck buck

Opps

I guess Andy's accusation has to be right  

If you really must post your phone number (though I have no idea why you are doing so) you should put it in the private part of the forum not visible for any old nutter to see.  

Didge IS the old nutter!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thor wrote:

To prove your claim is a lie

Just is your claim to condemn the killer of Jo Cox

That number is always there for you to call mate  

All that proves is that you just posted 'your number...


Why would you be posting your number...!?


Why would I want to phone you up...!?


I don't even really want to be talking to you on this forum!!!

Well somoen else claimed I lied over this

They got caught out tommy foir lying, claiming I gave a false number

Hugh looked a dick and think that was the last we saw of him on inaflap

Of course you dont want to talk to me, we saw why before

It as epic

What is evident here, is how you, cannot condemn hateful racists extremists.

How many more chances do you need for this?

We allknow, you actually worship them..

Sadly

You need to go and lie down in a darkened room for a while dodge...!

Tommy Monk wrote:


You need to go and lie down in a darkened room for a while dodge...!

Is that a masterbation fantasy you have?

Tommy, we are still waiting for you to condemn two far right terrorists.

So stop deflecting

51% of people in young offenders institute are black or Muslims.


While only making up less than 10 % of UK population...

Tommy Monk wrote:51% of people in young offenders institute are black or Muslims.


While only making up less than 10 % of UK population...

And?

You based this on what time frame?

What levels of relative poverty and what cities on where these crimes happened?

So is that not a factor that vunerable people in poor areas are more susceptible to being led into crime?

Tommy Monk wrote:51% of people in young offenders institute are black or Muslims.


While only making up less than 10 % of UK population...

is that true? quite shocking if so

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:51% of people in young offenders institute are black or Muslims.


While only making up less than 10 % of UK population...

is that true?  quite shocking if so

Interesting, explain why?

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:51% of people in young offenders institute are black or Muslims.


While only making up less than 10 % of UK population...

And?

You based this on what time frame?

What levels of relative poverty and what cities on where these crimes happened?

So is that not a factor that vunerable people in poor areas are more susceptible to being led into crime?

it's probably based on home office figures I presume and is a snapshot of the time the figures were tallied.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:

And?

You based this on what time frame?

What levels of relative poverty and what cities on where these crimes happened?

So is that not a factor that vunerable people in poor areas are more susceptible to being led into crime?

it's probably based on home office figures I presume and is a snapshot of the time the figures were tallied.

.

How does that explain why though?

Is there a reason thus based on age?

Is there a reason based on relative poverty?

is there a reason based on extremism?

Is there a reason based on broken homes?

Its simple a stat, without any real meaning unless bigots apply their own meaning to this stat

So what are we supposed to make of this

The answers will prove what i am talking about

Thor wrote:

gelico wrote:


is that true?  quite shocking if so

Interesting, explain why?

why on earth would the fact that its shocking need explaining

Thor wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
it's probably based on home office figures I presume and is a snapshot of the time the figures were tallied.

.

How does that explain why though?

Is there a reason thus based on age?

Is there a reason based on relative poverty?

is there a reason based on extremism?

Is there a reason based on broken homes?

Its simple a stat, without any real meaning unless bigots apply their own meaning to this stat

So what are we supposed to make of this

The answers will prove what i am talking about

does it have to explain why? he was providing a fact.
Maybe you can tell us why.
Not because of poverty, unless there are more poor blacks and Muslims than whites.

gelico wrote:

Thor wrote:

Interesting, explain why?

why on earth would the fact that its shocking need explaining

Well when you look at crimes over all, its not even shocking

Its how some bigots use a stat to make a xenophobic point

So have you actually looked at the breakdonw of people in young offenders compared to the rest of the age brackets Gelico?

There is 83,000 people in prison

4,600 is the figure that Tommy is going off

That is two combined figures that Tommy is going off

15-17 and 18-20

I bet most of those were done for drugs, would you not agree and the majority of drugs uses are white

So I agree its shocking how we have a biased system on sentencing

Would you like to see some figures on that Gelico?

You see, this again proves Tommy is racist

As why choose this age category without any actual stats on this?

In your own time

gelico wrote:

Thor wrote:

Interesting, explain why?

why on earth would the fact that its shocking need explaining

Perhaps that it has the potential to develop into another interminable and inconclusive argument?

Thor wrote:

gelico wrote:


why on earth would the fact that its shocking need explaining

Well when you look at crimes over all, its not even shocking

Its how some bigots use a stat to make a xenophobic point

So have you actually looked at the breakdonw of people in  young offenders compared to the rest of the age brackets Gelico?

There is 83,000 people in prison

4,600 is the figure that Tommy is going off

That is two combined figures that Tommy is going off

15-17 and 18-20

I bet most of those were done for drugs, would you not agree and the majority of drugs uses are white

So I agree its shocking how we have a biased system on sentencing

Would you like to see some figures on that Gelico?

You see, this again proves Tommy is racist

As why choose this age category without any actual stats on this?

In your own time

his point was makeup vs population %ages

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:
.

How does that explain why though?

Is there a reason thus based on age?

Is there a reason based on relative poverty?

is there a reason based on extremism?

Is there a reason based on broken homes?

Its simple a stat, without any real meaning unless bigots apply their own meaning to this stat

So what are we supposed to make of this

The answers will prove what i am talking about

does it have to explain why? he was providing a fact.
Maybe you can tell us why.
Not because of poverty, unless there are more poor blacks and Muslims than whites.

I would love to know what fact is he proving here?

Maybe you can tell me what this fact is?

It has everything to do with how and white people are convicted

Do you have the details on this and why does he only choose such an age bracket?

I will tell you why, to bring about fear

So what is the overall percentage with the entire prison population?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:

Well when you look at crimes over all, its not even shocking

Its how some bigots use a stat to make a xenophobic point

So have you actually looked at the breakdonw of people in  young offenders compared to the rest of the age brackets Gelico?

There is 83,000 people in prison

4,600 is the figure that Tommy is going off

That is two combined figures that Tommy is going off

15-17 and 18-20

I bet most of those were done for drugs, would you not agree and the majority of drugs uses are white

So I agree its shocking how we have a biased system on sentencing

Would you like to see some figures on that Gelico?

You see, this again proves Tommy is racist

As why choose this age category without any actual stats on this?

In your own time

his point was makeup vs population %ages

Based on cities, rural, age and a breakdown of actual real ethnicity?

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

gelico wrote:


why on earth would the fact that its shocking need explaining

Perhaps that it has the potential to develop into another interminable and inconclusive argument?

That is a really good point, because what poin is Tommy making from this?

As yet he has not made one

Or did that slip anyones attention?

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:51% of people in young offenders institute are black or Muslims.


While only making up less than 10 % of UK population...

is that true?  quite shocking if so

It was said on the Victoria Derbyshire programme earlier by the black MP who was on there... David Lammy I think it was...

Thor wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
it's probably based on home office figures I presume and is a snapshot of the time the figures were tallied.

.

How does that explain why though?

Is there a reason thus based on age?

Is there a reason based on relative poverty?

is there a reason based on extremism?

Is there a reason based on broken homes?

Its simple a stat, without any real meaning unless bigots apply their own meaning to this stat

So what are we supposed to make of this

The answers will prove what i am talking about

The reason is that they all broke the law bad enough to be sent there...

Tommy Monk wrote:

gelico wrote:


is that true?  quite shocking if so

It was said on the Victoria Derbyshire programme earlier by the black MP who was on there... David Lammy I think it was...

So you are basing this on hearsay Tommy, so what point do you want to make on this and how do you think we should help this situation. That is seeing young ethnic people fall into crime?

Do you have an actual view point on this?

and another one for khanage khan

https://twitter.com/999London/status/1101180334471897088

but thank god he got the maccy D ads off the tube

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thor wrote:
.

How does that explain why though?

Is there a reason thus based on age?

Is there a reason based on relative poverty?

is there a reason based on extremism?

Is there a reason based on broken homes?

Its simple a stat, without any real meaning unless bigots apply their own meaning to this stat

So what are we supposed to make of this

The answers will prove what i am talking about

The reason is that they all broke the law bad enough to be sent there...

Fantastic, that is all you can say

wow

Why did they fall into crime?

Why is it that no matter the time frame, we see young people fall into crime and this case, it being 5% of the prison population?

What were the actual crimes?

What backgrounds did they come from?

Should not the view be to help ensure people do not fall into crime?

The law is the law... break the law bad enough and you will go to jail...


They obviously like breaking the law...

Tommy Monk wrote:


The law is the law... break the law bad enough and you will go to jail...


They obviously like breaking the law...

Again

Why did they fall into crime?

Why is it that no matter the time frame, we see young people fall into crime and this case, it being 5% of the prison population?

What were the actual crimes?

What backgrounds did they come from?

Should not the view be to help ensure people do not fall into crime?

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


The law is the law... break the law bad enough and you will go to jail...


They obviously like breaking the law...

Again

Why did they fall into crime?

Why is it that no matter the time frame, we see young people fall into crime and this case, it being 5% of the prison population?

What were the actual crimes?

What backgrounds did they come from?

Should not the view be to help ensure people do not fall into crime?

well poverty cant be the reason as there are far more white poor but their %age is not off the scale

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:

Again

Why did they fall into crime?

Why is it that no matter the time frame, we see young people fall into crime and this case, it being 5% of the prison population?

What were the actual crimes?

What backgrounds did they come from?

Should not the view be to help ensure people do not fall into crime?

well poverty cant be the reason as there are far more white poor but their %age is not off the scale

Of course relative poverty is a factor that leads to crime

There is also far more white people in jail

There is far more asian and black people in poverty

But my view is on relative poverty

Which is why cities have always seen higher levels of crime

No matter the ethnicity in its history

Any person with an ounce of intelligence could understand that

not london this time, Bradford, but the problem is still more or less the same

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6756491/Teen-thugs-violently-kicking-boy-head-nearby-security-guard-watches.html

Thor wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
well poverty cant be the reason as there are far more white poor but their %age is not off the scale

Of course relative poverty is a factor that leads to crime

There is also far more white people in jail

There is far more asian and black people in poverty

But my view is on relative poverty

Which is why cities have always seen higher levels of crime

No matter the ethnicity in its history

Any person with an ounce of intelligence could understand that

but there are more poor white kids than black or Muslim ones. why are the black and Muslim ones making up the majority in prison.

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


The law is the law... break the law bad enough and you will go to jail...


They obviously like breaking the law...

Again

Why did they fall into crime?

Why is it that no matter the time frame, we see young people fall into crime and this case, it being 5% of the prison population?

What were the actual crimes?

What backgrounds did they come from?

Should not the view be to help ensure people do not fall into crime?

Because they obviously have no respect for the law...




And flap... 3 stabbings in a week in Birmingham...

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thor wrote:

Of course relative poverty is a factor that leads to crime

There is also far more white people in jail

There is far more asian and black people in poverty

But my view is on relative poverty

Which is why cities have always seen higher levels of crime

No matter the ethnicity in its history

Any person with an ounce of intelligence could understand that

but there are more poor white kids than black or Muslim ones. why are the black and Muslim ones making up the majority in prison.

Are there based on percentages?

You sure?

If the other 50% are in factr white and are drawn to crime due to relative poverty

Does that also not back my point?

We then have to look how many more come from broken homes, as another factor.

Then there is more factors to consider

Hence what view point is to be made here, without any facts being presented other than black and Muslim?

So lets present some facts then


The income poverty rate varies substantially between ethnic groups: Bangladeshis (65%), Pakistanis (55%) and black Africans (45%) have the highest rates; black Caribbeans (30%), Indians (25%), white Other (25%) and white British (20%) have the lowest rates.

That was ten years ago and this is more revent

http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/poverty/

Based on my reason of relative poverty, its easy to see how young people from these groups are drawn into this based on the stats Tommy gave on Blacks and Muslims.

How easy was that for me to show a correlation?

So... if we say out of roughly 50 million people here in UK over the age of 15... with about 80% of these being white British... so about 40 million... and 20% of these being in relative poverty... so about 8 million white British in relative poverty...


Then do the same calculation for black and Muslims... 3% black and around 5 % Muslim...


That means... about 1.5 million blacks and about 2.5 million Muslims... with say 50 % of each group living in relative poverty... then that's 750,000 blacks and 1.25 million Muslims...


So 8 million white British over the age of 15 living in relative poverty... and 2 million black and Muslim over the age of 15 living in relative poverty...


So... why aren't the numbers in young offenders institutes more like 80% white British and only 20% black and Muslim...!?


Whatever way you analyse the figures... even with "relative poverty" being taken into account, there is an obvious huge disproportionate amount of serious crime being committed by blacks and Muslims here in the country...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Whatever way you analyse the figures... even with "relative poverty" being taken into account, there is an obvious huge disproportionate amount of serious crime being committed by blacks and Muslims here in the country...!!!

Simple answer for that again

What is relative poverty Tommy?

If you understand that and demographis in cities and town based on wealth, its very easy to understand

Its why once Glasgow had high crime rates by whites very recently

So 8 million white British over the age of 15 living in relative poverty... and 2 million black and Muslim over the age of 15 living in relative poverty...


So... why aren't the numbers in young offenders institutes more like 80% white British and only 20% black and Muslim...!?

See how he dodges the question on demographics and relative poverty

I will give him a clue

In some US towns, they have high poverty and low crime rates

why are we talking about poverty anyway

does being poor mean you have no moral compass?

is being poor a valid excuse to commit crime?

my dad grew up in poverty and he's never committed a crime in his life.

wtf?

stop making fucking excuses