Why doesn't Trump make friends with Iran, like the Saudis?

Trump appears to love autocrats and dictators. Iran is one. He could pull a North Korea--go over, make kiss-kiss with the leader(s), and declare all the troubles all over. Impress us with his negotiation skills. Peace through redefining the situation...works for Trump.

Iran funnelled “hundreds of millions” of US dollars through Russia and Syria to Middle East terrorists in a scheme masterminded by the director of a company that was registered in Britain, according to the US Treasury.

It claimed that the scheme allowed Tehran to use the international financial system to send money to its proxy militias.

America has imposed sanctions on nine people and entities that allegedly organised the transfers to Hezbollah and Hamas through oil deals with the Syrian government and a string of front companies, including a subsidiary of the Russian energy ministry. The Iranians avoided the rules that block funding to designated terrorist groups and sanctions that ban oil imports to the Syrian government, it claimed.

It is the first time that…

thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/us-reveals-how-tehran-funds-hezbollah-s-terror-v9hrzx30j

At least Trump gets this right where Obama, was complicit in terrorism

Thor wrote:Iran funnelled “hundreds of millions” of US dollars through Russia and Syria to Middle East terrorists in a scheme masterminded by the director of a company that was registered in Britain, according to the US Treasury.

It claimed that the scheme allowed Tehran to use the international financial system to send money to its proxy militias.

America has imposed sanctions on nine people and entities that allegedly organised the transfers to Hezbollah and Hamas through oil deals with the Syrian government and a string of front companies, including a subsidiary of the Russian energy ministry. The Iranians avoided the rules that block funding to designated terrorist groups and sanctions that ban oil imports to the Syrian government, it claimed.

...and the Saudis pulled off 9/11, twin towers, the pentagon...worst act of terrorism in US history.  And our government is complicit with them in pulling off the murder of Jamal Khashoggi .

Which terrorist do you like?  And which do you demonize?  I think Iran would be a much more stable friend.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:Iran funnelled “hundreds of millions” of US dollars through Russia and Syria to Middle East terrorists in a scheme masterminded by the director of a company that was registered in Britain, according to the US Treasury.

It claimed that the scheme allowed Tehran to use the international financial system to send money to its proxy militias.

America has imposed sanctions on nine people and entities that allegedly organised the transfers to Hezbollah and Hamas through oil deals with the Syrian government and a string of front companies, including a subsidiary of the Russian energy ministry. The Iranians avoided the rules that block funding to designated terrorist groups and sanctions that ban oil imports to the Syrian government, it claimed.

...and the Saudis pulled off 9/11, twin towers, the pentagon...worst act of terrorism in US history.  And our government is complicit with them in pulling off the murder of Jamal Khashoggi .

Which terrorist do you like?  And which do you demonize?  I think Iran would be a much more stable friend.

So why did Not Obama invade Saudi then?

Which means both the Democrats and Republicans are complicit in this terrorism

Didge wrote:So why did Not Obama invade Saudi then?

Which means both the Democrats and Republicans are complicit in this terrorism

Why would you want to go to war? Democrats are not war mongers. Obama was much craftier than that. Look how he quietly took out bin Laden.

But let's go back to the original question. Why are the Saudis our friends and the Iranians our enemies? Both are terrorists, the Saudis more so. Why doesn't Trump work his charm on the Iranians and we could have peace all over the world by Christmas?

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:So why did Not Obama invade Saudi then?

Which means both the Democrats and Republicans are complicit in this terrorism

Why would you want to go to war?  Democrats are not war mongers.  Obama was much craftier than that.  Look how he quietly took out bin Laden.

But let's go back to the original question.  Why are the Saudis our friends and the Iranians our enemies?  Both are terrorists, the Saudis more so.  Why doesn't Trump work his charm on the Iranians and we could have peace all over the world by Christmas?

Sometimes we have to go to war to ensure lasting peace

You do understand this, as delaying then ends up causing far more conflicts, and victims?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Why would you want to go to war?  Democrats are not war mongers.  Obama was much craftier than that.  Look how he quietly took out bin Laden.

But let's go back to the original question.  Why are the Saudis our friends and the Iranians our enemies?  Both are terrorists, the Saudis more so.  Why doesn't Trump work his charm on the Iranians and we could have peace all over the world by Christmas?

Sometimes we have to go to war to ensure lasting peace

Killing babies means lasting peace? Wow. Why don't we just kill a few over here and save on the travel costs.

I have one simple question. Wouldn't we be better off befriending the Iranians, and making enemies with Saudi Arabia? No more 9/11's. No more 7/7's. The Saudis would be much easier to kick ass...they've got nothing. No navy. No air force. A minimal army.

Whereas, the Iranians would be much better to have on our side. They've got an air force, a navy and an army, and we could use them as our surrogate force in the middle east. That’s what Trump is calling for.

And they've got as much oil as the Saudis. Tap the same field under the Persian Gulf.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

Sometimes we have to go to war to ensure lasting peace

Killing babies means lasting peace?  Wow.  Why don't we just kill a few over here and save on the travel costs.

I have one simple question.  Wouldn't we be better off befriending the Iranians, and making enemies with Saudi Arabia?  No more 9/11's.  No more 7/7's.  The Saudis would be much easier to kick ass...they've got nothing.  No navy.  No air force.  A minimal army.

Whereas, the Iranians would be much better to have on our side.  They've got an air force, a navy and an army, and we could use them as our surrogate force in the middle east.  That’s what Trump is calling for.  

And they've got as much oil as the Saudis.  Tap the same field under the Persian Gulf.

Who said anything about babies?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Killing babies means lasting peace?  Wow.  Why don't we just kill a few over here and save on the travel costs.

I have one simple question.  Wouldn't we be better off befriending the Iranians, and making enemies with Saudi Arabia?  No more 9/11's.  No more 7/7's.  The Saudis would be much easier to kick ass...they've got nothing.  No navy.  No air force.  A minimal army.

Whereas, the Iranians would be much better to have on our side.  They've got an air force, a navy and an army, and we could use them as our surrogate force in the middle east.  That’s what Trump is calling for.  

And they've got as much oil as the Saudis.  Tap the same field under the Persian Gulf.

Who said anything about babies?

If there's one thing that war means, it's killing babies.

Back to Saudi Arabia. I don't know why Trump chooses to side with them. Is it because the Saudis don't have nuclear power. Neither does Iran. All the Saudis would need to do is lay a few billion $$$'s on the table, and Pakistan would flock to share some of their 125 devices with the Saudis. I'm confident that the Saudis will have it by mid-century.

Frankly, I think we just got stuck in a rut with Iran. It makes much more sense if we befriend them. They are already at war with ISIS, and they seem to have a working relationship with Russia...which the Russo-Republicans seem to covet.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

Who said anything about babies?

If there's one thing that war means, it's killing babies.

Back to Saudi Arabia.  I don't know why Trump chooses to side with them.  Is it because the Saudis don't have nuclear power.  Neither does Iran.  All the Saudis would need to do is lay a few billion $$$'s on the table, and Pakistan would flock to share some of their 125 devices with the Saudis.  I'm confident that the Saudis will have it by mid-century.

Frankly, I think we just got stuck in a rut with Iran.  It makes much more sense if we befriend them.  They are already at war with ISIS, and they seem to have a working relationship with Russia...which the Russo-Republicans seem to covet.

So how many babies have been killed in the latest conflict with Israel and Gaza

Israel hits military targets and only after warning people living near by to evacuate

Hamas launches rockets indicriminately into israel civiliam areas

Who is the moral ethical and moral based?

Obama assassinated Bin laden

It was tactical and necessary

You se babies deny a means to actual stop war

You say you have never read Clausewitz

You never have and only have known quotes by him

What does that have to do with Saudi Arabia?

Original Quill wrote:What does that have to do with Saudi Arabia?

Well you brought up babies?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:What does that have to do with Saudi Arabia?

Well you brought up babies?

You brought up war, which goes hand-in-hand with killing babies. But anyway, war is outmoded.

I think the Saudis are duplicitous...playing Trump for a sucker. I think they were behind 9/11 and right now they are testing the waters for another move. We should be friending Iran, because soon we won't have anyplace to land over there.

Thinking through all the chess moves, I wonder if Russia is the hidden puppet-master here. Russia is already in with Iran, and they could be getting cozy with Saudi Arabia. With Syria, doesn't it look like a circle building around Israel?

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

Well you brought up babies?

You brought up war, which goes hand-in-hand with killing babies.  But anyway, war is outmoded.

I think the Saudis are duplicitous...playing Trump for a sucker.  I think they were behind 9/11 and right now they are testing the waters for another move.  We should be friending Iran, because soon we won't have anyplace to land over there.

Thinking through all the chess moves, I wonder if Russia is the hidden puppet-master here.  Russia is already in with Iran, and they could be getting cozy with Saudi Arabia.  With Syria, doesn't it look like a circle building around Israel?

No I did not

So you say the saudis are bad

I agree

How about hamas?

hezbollah?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You brought up war, which goes hand-in-hand with killing babies.  But anyway, war is outmoded.

I think the Saudis are duplicitous...playing Trump for a sucker.  I think they were behind 9/11 and right now they are testing the waters for another move.  We should be friending Iran, because soon we won't have anyplace to land over there.

Thinking through all the chess moves, I wonder if Russia is the hidden puppet-master here.  Russia is already in with Iran, and they could be getting cozy with Saudi Arabia.  With Syria, doesn't it look like a circle building around Israel?

No I did not

Yes you did:

Didge wrote:Sometimes we have to go to war to ensure lasting peace

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

No I did not

Yes you did:

Didge wrote:Sometimes we have to go to war to ensure lasting peace

How oes that mean babies will die?

Do you want a lesson on this to be wrong?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You brought up war, which goes hand-in-hand with killing babies.  But anyway, war is outmoded.

I think the Saudis are duplicitous...playing Trump for a sucker.  I think they were behind 9/11 and right now they are testing the waters for another move.  We should be friending Iran, because soon we won't have anyplace to land over there.

Thinking through all the chess moves, I wonder if Russia is the hidden puppet-master here.  Russia is already in with Iran, and they could be getting cozy with Saudi Arabia.  With Syria, doesn't it look like a circle building around Israel?

So you say the saudis are bad

I agree

I said I think the Saudis are duplicitous...playing Trump for a sucker.  They've got Trump dangling like dead duck in a Chinese market.

Trump got into this because he was near bankrupt, in the $100-billion range, and he needed a bankroll.  No US bank would lend him a cent.  Trump had already gone bankrupt with his casinos.  The real estate market was grossly over-inflated, and busting all over the place.  Trump had a huge personal guarantee in the $640-million range with Deutsche  Bank, coming due on his Trump Tower in Chicago.

Russia came in and saved his ass, paying off this obligation and advancing a couple hundred more $-billions for his pleasure.  The Saudis were considering Jered Kushner out on his '666' building, which was a turkey of an investment.  They looked over their shoulders and saw what the Russians were doing with the Trump dangle, and thought they might do the same with both Trump and Jared.  They bailed out Jared on the “666’ investment, and decided to check the reaction.  The murder of Khashoggi was a test.  Yep...he's our whore!

The risk is, with the Russians pulling on one leg, and the Saudis pulling on the other, WTF will happen to the country when the two of them come to disagree what to do with the corpus?

I ask

Who is killing any babies here?

Thor wrote:Iran funnelled “hundreds of millions” of US dollars through Russia and Syria to Middle East terrorists in a scheme masterminded by the director of a company that was registered in Britain, according to the US Treasury.

It claimed that the scheme allowed Tehran to use the international financial system to send money to its proxy militias.

America has imposed sanctions on nine people and entities that allegedly organised the transfers to Hezbollah and Hamas through oil deals with the Syrian government and a string of front companies, including a subsidiary of the Russian energy ministry. The Iranians avoided the rules that block funding to designated terrorist groups and sanctions that ban oil imports to the Syrian government, it claimed.

It is the first time that…

thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/us-reveals-how-tehran-funds-hezbollah-s-terror-v9hrzx30j

At least Trump gets this right where Obama, was complicit in terrorism

Saudi Arabia has been funding both terrorism and local civil wars for more than two decades now...

Making Trump also " complicit in (aiding and funding..) terrorism."

As long as the Saudis keep on buying weapons and vehicles off the USA, Britain, France, Australia and Japan --  while at the same time providing staging posts for allied excursions into Middle East conflicts --  our governments will quite likely keep on keeping on ignoring any and all wrongdoings on the Saudis' part.

Wolf has a point, Quill, as usual, doesn't have a clue !

nicko wrote:Wolf has a point,  Quill, as usual,   doesn't have a clue !

Quite, re Wolf's point. But Iran could do the same, and better than Saudi Arabia. Iran already has a military, and understands the needs of a power such as the United States.

The only military enterprise the Saudis have engaged in the past 20-years is the twin towers in New York, and the Pentagon, on September 11, 2001--and that wasn't a happy ending. Saudi Arabia gets away with this stuff because they keep their military small, and come begging like a helpless maiden when threatened. In the meantime, sub rosa, they work for or against our interests, as it pleases them.

And Jared Kushner is a Jew. He thinks he has the confidence of a Sunni Arab??? Bin Salman is playing him like a harp, buying out his bad investments, ensnaring him in the same type kompromat that Russia got his father-in-law on. You remove the professional state, and all you have left are the maggots of organized crime and shady investment losers.

Trump has often made the argument that we should cozy up to Russia, "because Russia and the US could do a lot together". The same reasoning could apply to any enemy, including Iran. Make them your friend and you won't have to worry about them. Put them to good use. We've seen how the Saudi's use and abuse us...now let's make our enemy our friend and redesign our strategy. Join forces with Shi'ite Iran, and let Iran take care of both Saudi Arabia and ISIS.

Ahhh...peace. It's almost as if the right doesn't want something that works.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:Wolf has a point,  Quill, as usual,   doesn't have a clue !

Quite, re Wolf's point.  But Iran could do the same, and better than Saudi Arabia.  Iran already has a military, and understands the needs of a power such as the United States.

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Is they why the Israel fighters are easily able to take out Iranian military targets in Syria, that are a threat?

Even when they are being protected by Russian S300 missle systems?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Quite, re Wolf's point.  But Iran could do the same, and better than Saudi Arabia.  Iran already has a military, and understands the needs of a power such as the United States.

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Is they why the Israel fighters are easily able to take out Iranian military targets in Syria, that are a threat?

Even when they are being protected by Russian S300 missle systems?

Israel is playing now in the big game. She's doing the exact same thing as Saudi Arabia...Oh, poor little me, while stabbing us in the back with her dagger. She's on her own, once she started her own lebensraum. Why should we help Israel? Israel doesn't help us.

If we made the same deal with Iran that we made with Saudi Arabia, I'm pretty sure Israel would fall into step. It's the Sunnis who are opposed to Israel.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:



Is they why the Israel fighters are easily able to take out Iranian military targets in Syria, that are a threat?

Even when they are being protected by Russian S300 missle systems?

Israel is playing now in the big game.  She's doing the exact same thing as Saudi Arabia...Oh, poor little me, while stabbing us in the back with her dagger.  She's on her own, once she started her own lebensraum.  Why should we help Israel?  Israel doesn't help us.

If we made the same deal with Iran that we made with Saudi Arabia, I'm pretty sure Israel would fall into step.  It's the Sunnis who are opposed to Israel.

Actually Israel is protecting herself from threats by a country that supplies arms and money to two terrorist organisations. Whos goal is the destruction of Israel and Jews

Iran herself has constantly threatened to do the same

Israel is simple not stupid and will rightly act to defend its population

Unsure how you think Israel is stabbing the US in the back, being as are behind thwardting countless terrorist attacks in the west?

But then you dont half come out with a load of crap most of the time

Forget Israel. They can make their own way.

This is about what's in the best interests of the US. If we flipped and made Iran our friend--just as Trump is suggesting we do with Russia--we could get a much, much better deal.

Both Iran and Saudi Arabia are cozy with terrorists. Saudi Arabia takes our support so for granted, that she is being duplicitous with us. We could probably negotiate a deal with Iran in which she stopped supporting terrorists, and supplied us with bases and facilities to stabilize the region.

Original Quill wrote:Forget Israel.  They can make their own way.

Actually the west do not want to forget them, as they work in partnership to help thwart Islamic terroism

So what needs to happen her is to forget about your ill informed views

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Forget Israel.  They can make their own way.

Actually the west do not want to forget them, as they work in partnership to help thwart Islamic terroism

So what needs to happen her is to forget about your ill informed views

Bullshite, Israel is on a program for itself. Nothing there for us.

But Iran could take advantage of the Sunni/Shi'ite split, and help us by divide & conquer. The same might indirectly benefit Israel, but that's no longer any of our concern.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

Actually the west do not want to forget them, as they work in partnership to help thwart Islamic terroism

So what needs to happen her is to forget about your ill informed views

Bullshite,  Israel is on a program for itself.  Nothing there for us.

But Iran could take advantage of the Sunni/Shi'ite split, and help us by divide & conquer.  The same might indirectly benefit Israel, but that's no longer any of our concern.

Iran and Saudi have been a proxy war for years

That is nothing new

Israel is very much a partne of the west, so to claim it is on a program to istelf. When it shares so much scientific innovation
Shows you are talking nonsense

Didge wrote:Iran and Saudi have been a proxy war for years

That is nothing new

I'm saying...we should play them off one another, instead of them playing us.

Iran is in a much better position to be our proxy in the middle east.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Iran and Saudi have been a proxy war for years

That is nothing new

I'm saying...we should play them off one another, instead of them playing us.

Iran is in a much better position to be our proxy in the middle east.

Neither are, they both hold extremist views and help extremists

Until they both get rid of their extremist views, they are both a threat

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I'm saying...we should play them off one another, instead of them playing us.

Iran is in a much better position to be our proxy in the middle east.

Neither are, they both hold extremist views and help extremists

Until they both get rid of their extremist views, they are both a threat

They both have oil .  They both know we need to be coming back to them.  Let's go back to basics.  

So which is more civilized and can be depended upon...the one who will sneak around behind your back, or the or the one who has shown that they can be trusted?

Saudi Arabia pretends to be our friend, and then they brought down the twin towers in New York.  Saudi Arabia was responsible for the Pentagon destruction, then raised the price of oil.  Saudi Arabia, like Russia, goes on murdering rampages in other countries around the world.

On the other hand, General Mattis says that Iran has kept its word on every detail of the accord.  We haven't heard a peep from Iran for two years.  I'm of the belief that Iran is the more dependable.

Again, go back to what we may now call the Trump doctrine: make friends with your enemies, and go do good things together.  Saudi Arabia is not behaving like someone I would trust.  On the other hand, Iran looks like they have joined the civilized world.