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Fred Moletrousers wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:you have never proved anything at all.

Jews are not Indigenous to Israel, their OWN holy book tells of them coming from Egypt and Stealing the land from the Indigenous 
this is why you are a fucking Joke, DO you EVEN think ???? do you think people are so stupid they have never heard of Moses?


pretty fucking Stupid and Racist to even pretend to claim 'Indigenous' after 2 and a bit thousand years and the majority of that time NOT being there. that is Offensive to the real Indigenous peoples that have 10,000's of years unbroken connection to their lands. This is why Zionism Needs to be Fought against as it is just Lies and deceit to cause injury to those that REALLY deserve compassion.  


AND genesis of What? A group that defines them selves as begin Chosen by a magic fucking sky giant there is NOTHING ZERO else that differentiates them from any one else... SO Even the concept of Jew 100% comes down to make believe fairytale BULLSHIT....

So you don't believe in a "magic fucking sky giant"...but untold millions of people, including me in my small way (being baptised into and educated by the Anglican church and now a very irregular Methodist communicant because I don't like robes, vestments and chalices), do so.

OK, WE can't prove that "God", in some form or another, exists. But can YOU prove that He (or SHE, or IT) doesn't?  

The short answer is that no, you can't...because the concept of a "Creator", which is central to most theocracies, might even refer to a chemical reaction or a pretty awesome manifestation of the laws of physics without which the Universe - and you and I - would not exist.

So the Jews are not "chosen"? But they have just as much claim to the Holy Land as have the Arabs if we are to use history as a precedent. Only a fool would believe, in a literal sense,  some of the stories in the Books of Genesis (though in recent years some pretty convincing scientific "explanations" have been formulated as to how events such as the parting of the Red Sea, the burning bush on Mount Horeb, the plagues of Egypt, etc. could actually have occurred) but those events are contained in Jewish tribal folklore, handed down through the generations, which even given the embelishments of story tellers and inaccuracies of subsequent translations, could well have some credence.

Didge wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

So you don't believe in a "magic fucking sky giant"...but untold millions of people, including me in my small way (being baptised into and educated by the Anglican church and now a very irregular Methodist communicant because I don't like robes, vestments and chalices), do so.

OK, WE can't prove that "God", in some form or another, exists. But can YOU prove that He (or SHE, or IT) doesn't?  

The short answer is that no, you can't...because the concept of a "Creator", which is central to most theocracies, might even refer to a chemical reaction or a pretty awesome manifestation of the laws of physics without which the Universe - and you and I - would not exist.

So the Jews are not "chosen"? But they have just as much claim to the Holy Land as have the Arabs if we are to use history as a precedent. Only a fool would believe, in a literal sense,  some of the stories in the Books of Genesis (though in recent years some pretty convincing scientific "explanations" have been formulated as to how events such as the parting of the Red Sea, the burning bush on Mount Horeb, the plagues of Egypt, etc. could actually have occurred) but those events are contained in Jewish tribal folklore, handed down through the generations, which even given the embelishments of story tellers and inaccuracies of subsequent translations, could well have some credence.

There is a very interesting hypoethesis on the plagues of Eygpt, which could be explained by a natural disaster

A massive Volcanic erutpion

There was such an eruption on the island of Thera, now called Santorini

http://www.grahamphillips.net/act/act.html

http://www.grahamphillips.net/act/act2.html

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Didge wrote:

There is a very interesting hypoethesis on the plagues of Eygpt, which could be explained by a natural disaster

A massive Volcanic erutpion

There was such an eruption on the island of Thera, now called Santorini

http://www.grahamphillips.net/act/act.html

http://www.grahamphillips.net/act/act2.html

I read your post this time because I have a specific interest in the subject, Didge.

You are right, though without referring to some of my long-unused source material, it began with an eruption which triggered off such plagues as locust infestation, crop failure, disease (ergot) from contaminated stored grain, red algae in the Nile, masses of displaced frogs, etc., etc.

Lots of fascinating theories. Interesting stuff.