Gay is genetic

Shady wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Well you either are in the early stages of dementia or you're being your usual dismissive self.

I support gay rights but I reserve the right to take the mick out of gays when they push their beliefs down my throat.

There is nothing wrong with being gay.

But I will discuss homosexuality as I would discuss any other topic as it is not a taboo subject for me.I'm not scared or embarrassed by discussing homosexuality.

Discussing the subject doesn't make me nervous or angry.......I just discuss it coldly,clinically & with an open mind Ben...................An open mind.

You don't back your arguments up with evidence....just opinion & guess work.

Ah, and here come the personal attacks, the last refuge of people who can't dismiss the actual points being made.

Actually, if you you don't think being gay is wrong, we're pretty much in agreement. I'm not opposed in any way to research into the possible genetic causes of any human trait, only justifiably concerned that findings will be used to further oppress a segment of society that deserves equal rights.

Well you've made personal attacks against me so I'm just returning the compliment.

And if you're not opposed to any research regarding the subject why have reponded to my posts in the way that you have?

Ben gotta go for a bit but do you actually or ever think before you open your mouth?

heavenly father wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Homosexuality is caused by problems in the homosexual person - everybody knows that.

Extreme ugliness in girls, problems with the opposite sex, women being used and abused by men.

Abusive past, childhood...

Etc etc.

I tend to agree... :D 

sphinx wrote:

Joy Division wrote:What a complete load if pish.  

What is pish - that being gay is genetic or that if it is genetic it will be used to create a pre natal test allowing termination of pregnancy where the foetus is gay?

Puriel wrote:Gays have been saying for some time that it is not a choice , that they are born Gay.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wow, the bullshit just abounds in this thread -- let me address that, briefly, by pointing out that journalists often say things about science in their articles that scientists themselves never actually said: http://skepchick.org/2013/11/bad-science-journalism-eat-nuts-live-longer/

On the topic of whether homosexuality is genetic -- it is, because all of our traits ultimately go back to our genes, though environment plays a role as well. And the idea of finding a gay gene is problematic because of the environmental factor and because some people might be tempted to try to "cure" it. (And the fact that a "gay gene" might turn out to be a complex of hundreds of genes that all line up in the right way to predispose someone toward becoming homosexual, and tampering with any of them might result in horrific side effects.)

Ultimately, I hate the whole "Is it a choice or are gay people born that way" question because it's predicated on the idea that there's something wrong with being gay -- for example, we don't pay nearly as much attention to studies on how much the trait of "athleticism" depends on genetics, because we don't think there's anything wrong with being athletic.

What we should be focusing on is whether homosexuality does any harm to society, and we know the answer to that -- it doesn't. Being gay doesn't hurt society any more than having blue eyes or black skin does.

Irn Bru wrote:

sphinx wrote:

What is pish - that being gay is genetic or that if it is genetic it will be used to create a pre natal test allowing termination of pregnancy where the foetus is gay?

I think it is a load of rubbish as well but in any event why would anyone want to have an abortion because a genetic analysis somehow indicates that the baby may turn out later in life to be gay.
I have no problem with abortions for all the right reasons but that certainly isn't one of them.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Haha, I love the "What will this mean for Obama?" part.

Reminds me of this from the Onion:

Puriel wrote:

maybe being gay is a gift from god.

eddie wrote:

Puriel wrote:

maybe being gay is a gift from god.

And the devil doles out ignorance.

Puriel wrote:

eddie wrote:

And the devil doles out ignorance.

are you saying Catman was gifted by both ?

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:



are you saying Catman was gifted by both ?

Your obsession is getting just as bad as that other RW muppet Drinky, and his obsession with Sassy, you fucking weirdo.   

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Your obsession is getting just as bad as that other RW muppet Drinky, and his obsession with Sassy, you fucking weirdo.   

do you have to stalk me every time I post ?

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:


do you have to stalk me every time I post ?

I replied to a post about me, hardly stalking you idiot.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

I replied to a post about me, hardly stalking you idiot.

as you have accused me of being a weirdo , I've been told that several years ago you said in one of your drunken rants that you had a criminal record for some very weird offences.

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:


as you have accused me of being a weirdo , I've been told that several years ago you said in one of your drunken rants that you had a criminal record for some very weird offences.

Well that would be a load of rubbish then, fucking idiot.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Well that would be a load of rubbish then, fucking idiot.

are you now saying that you were lying when you said that your criminal record ? stopped you working with child.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Well that would be a load of rubbish then, fucking idiot.

are you now saying that you were lying when you said that your criminal record ? stopped you working with child.

victorismyhero wrote:what I dont understand is WHY...do people feel they are entitled to an "opinion" (usually negative, those most likely to give an opinion are generally the "haters") on gays???
surely its non of YOUR business?? Even issue like marriage rights are not actually YOUR business (since whether or not gay folk can marry in the same way as a straight couple HAS NO EFFECT ON YOU...it takes nothing away from you). I guess its the "nosey granny syndrome" a sort of "curtain twitching " response....

I often wonder if gays/coloured/otherwise different/disabled/unemployed people dissapeared over night...what would the "haters" on here do...who would they have to hate....doubless we would end up like cambodia...they would likely turn on the educated and the educators, the "geeks" as the like to see them.

I wonder if these folks were the type to bully kids who just wanted to learn, you know the stuff...rip up their home work...call them losers for studying.....these are the people who think it "great to be "fick""

victorismyhero wrote:so did I, unfortunately for them I was uhm....violent in response...
I had a game...called bully the bully.....they cant always be in their little gangs.....    

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:


are you now saying that you were lying when you said that your criminal record ? stopped you working with child.

Yea...You always used to love to try to equate homosexuality to paedophelia, didn't you Bloggshit, you piece of shit.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Yea...You always used to love to try to equate homosexuality to paedophelia, didn't you Bloggshit, you piece of shit.

I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:


are you now saying that you were lying when you said that your criminal record ? stopped you working with child.

Yea...You always used to love to try to equate homosexuality to paedophelia, didn't you Bloggshit, you piece of shit.

I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Sassy wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Yep, you always were a coward and a wriggler when challenged about your shit stirring.   Never did have the courage of your convictions, just sly innuendo.   Eh Fred?

victorismyhero wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yep, you always were a coward and a wriggler when challenged about your shit stirring.   Never did have the courage of your convictions, just sly innuendo.   Eh Fred?

and of course a two faced liar to boot....

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Yea...You always used to love to try to equate homosexuality to paedophelia, didn't you Bloggshit, you piece of shit.

I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Yes you have you fucking liar, and i don't have a criminal record either.

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:


as you have accused me of being a weirdo , I've been told that several years ago you said in one of your drunken rants that you had a criminal record for some very weird offences.

Well that would be a load of rubbish then, fucking idiot.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

As fascinating as your personal problem with Catman is, could we try to keep this thread on the very interesting topic it was started about? Or at least talk about what Cass is planning for dinner?

Sassy wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Yep, you always were a coward and a wriggler when challenged about your shit stirring.   Never did have the courage of your convictions, just sly innuendo.   Eh Fred?

Puriel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

As fascinating as your personal problem with Catman is, could we try to keep this thread on the very interesting topic it was started about? Or at least talk about what Cass is planning for dinner?

the topic being that a gene may mean that gays are a sex on their own and should be recognised as such , they will then be just like everyone else. any other point is that Catty is not representative of all gay men.

point being that Catty is a piece of shit , this does not mean all gay men should be treated as such.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Yep, you always were a coward and a wriggler when challenged about your shit stirring.   Never did have the courage of your convictions, just sly innuendo.   Eh Fred?

What, in the name of all that's holy, is this about?

Sassy wrote:

Catman wrote:

Yes you have you fucking liar, and i don't have a criminal record either.

Phil, someone walked in some dog shit on the way in, and Puriel stuck to their shoe.  Forget him.

Catman wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I have never tarred a group of people by the actions of one pervert and I have in no way accused homosexuals as paedophiles , your faults are not theirs.

Yes you have you fucking liar, and i don't have a criminal record either.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:


the topic being that a gene may mean that gays are a sex on their own and should be recognised as such , they will then be just like everyone else. any other point is that Catty is not representative of all gay men.

point being that Catty is a piece of shit , this does not mean all gay men should be treated as such.

You could have left the second part out. Your hatred of Catman isn't interesting.

Catman wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:


the topic being that a gene may mean that gays are a sex on their own and should be recognised as such , they will then be just like everyone else. any other point is that Catty is not representative of all gay men.

point being that Catty is a piece of shit , this does not mean all gay men should be treated as such.

You could have left the second part out. Your hatred of Catman isn't interesting.

He hates homosexuals period, if you read his posts.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Yes you have you fucking liar, and i don't have a criminal record either.

I'm sure others on sky will confirm you did say you had a criminal record and that you could not work with children. why did you say that and now say it was a lie.

Puriel wrote:

Catman wrote:

Yes you have you fucking liar, and i don't have a criminal record either.

I'm sure others on sky will confirm you did say you had a criminal record and that you could not work with children. why did you say that and now say it was a lie.

Sassy wrote:

Puriel wrote:


I'm sure others on sky will confirm you did say you had a criminal record and that you could not work with children. why did you say that and now say it was a lie.

He most definitely did not say that, he said he'd had a driving violation I think, but how dare you suggest such a thing.   You really are the mud at the bottom of the pond.   In this weather, you need dredging and disposing of.

Catman wrote:

Sassy wrote:

He most definitely did not say that, he said he'd had a driving violation I think, but how dare you suggest such a thing.   You really are the mud at the bottom of the pond.   In this weather, you need dredging and disposing of.

....Spent, and that was when i was eighteen.

Sassy wrote:

Puriel wrote:


I'm sure others on sky will confirm you did say you had a criminal record and that you could not work with children. why did you say that and now say it was a lie.

He most definitely did not say that, he said he'd had a driving violation I think, but how dare you suggest such a thing.   You really are the mud at the bottom of the pond.   In this weather, you need dredging and disposing of.

Puriel wrote:

eddie wrote:

And the devil doles out ignorance.

are you saying Catman was gifted by both ?

Puriel wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Puriel wrote:


I'm sure others on sky will confirm you did say you had a criminal record and that you could not work with children. why did you say that and now say it was a lie.

He most definitely did not say that, he said he'd had a driving violation I think, but how dare you suggest such a thing.   You really are the mud at the bottom of the pond.   In this weather, you need dredging and disposing of.

a driving violation , kerb crawling with a fistful of candy. you lefty's do try to downgrade your crimes.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:


a driving violation , kerb crawling with a fistful of candy. you lefty's do try to downgrade your crimes.

Are you just trying to drag this thread down to a level you can understand?