Hundreds of illegal immigrants attack police in a town in Germany

by Tommy Monk Thu May 03, 2018 7:14 pm

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200 migrants attack police cars sent to deport a single refugee in Germany and force officers to flee - buying their friend time to escape

Asylum seekers swarmed around three police cars sent to take him to airport
They hammered on the police vehicles so hard the cars were damaged
Police unable to send more reinforcements because it would've taken too long
The man they wanted to deport has now fled and gone into hiding, say police

Migrants have forced police to abandon plans to deport a single refugee from a home in Germany.
Two hundred asylum seekers described as 'mostly African' swarmed around three police cars dispatched to take their fellow refugee to an airport where a plane waited to fly him to the Congo.
Then they issued an ultimatum - take the handcuffs from their friend and set him free or risk 'massive violence.'

Police said they had no choice but to free the man in order to avoid bloodshed.
Angry migrants hammered on the police vehicles so forcefully that all three were dented. The authorities said the officers feared for their lives and had to beat a retreat.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5682585/Migrants-attack-police-cars-sent-deport-single-refugee-Germany-allowing-escape.html#ixzz5ESvoM74Z

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/migrants-germany-prevent-deportation-congo-ellwangen-a8333251.html

by eddie Sun May 06, 2018 10:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Illegal immigrants trying to blag the asylum system to get to stay, and all in pursuit of their own personal financial gain...!

I don’t know why you would actually lump people together like that.
Could you turn away a frightened woman with two kids?

by Ben Reilly Sun May 06, 2018 10:15 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Illegal immigrants trying to blag the asylum system to get to stay, and all in pursuit of their own personal financial gain...!

I don’t know why you would actually lump people together like that.
Could you turn away a frightened woman with two kids?

It would depend on whether they met the CLA requirements (Complexion, Language, Accent).

by Ben Reilly Sun May 06, 2018 10:16 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Do people have the right to seek a peaceful place to live, or not?

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 12:28 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Illegal immigrants trying to blag the asylum system to get to stay, and all in pursuit of their own personal financial gain...!

Surely not the vast majority of them are doing that. Are you trying to say there's not one person among these people fleeing from ISIS who's genuinely terrified and just trying to get into a country that isn't a war zone?

Via sub saharan Africa...?

Then across the med from Libya to Italy...?

Those 'fleeing from ISIS' already get to the safe and 'war free' country of Turkey, where they should stay...!

And the Africans have plenty of places in Africa to go to...!

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 12:57 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Illegal immigrants trying to blag the asylum system to get to stay, and all in pursuit of their own personal financial gain...!

I don’t know why you would actually lump people together like that.
Could you turn away a frightened woman with two kids?

Maybe if she had stayed in the safe country she came from, then she wouldn't be 'frightened', and she wouldn't be here to be turned away...!!!

by Ben Reilly Mon May 07, 2018 9:40 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Do people have the right to seek a peaceful place to live, or not?

by nicko Mon May 07, 2018 10:03 am

ALL people deserve a peaceful place to live, problem is when you give it them a lot want to turn it into the place they come from !

by 'Wolfie Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 am

Tommy is smarter than God...

Irrespective of relevant facts, the truth or any other opinions, Tommy is able to classify somebody as an "illegal immigrant" based solely on :

1. Skin colour;
2. Country of origin; and
3. Their behaviour..

Tommy's so smart, he's my hero !!!

by HoratioTarr Mon May 07, 2018 10:43 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Illegal immigrants trying to blag the asylum system to get to stay, and all in pursuit of their own personal financial gain...!

Surely not the vast majority of them are doing that. Are you trying to say there's not one person among these people fleeing from ISIS who's genuinely terrified and just trying to get into a country that isn't a war zone?

We're not really talking about war zone countries though. I saw that documentary about the African man trying to get to Europe. His family weren't starving and they didn't live in a war zone. There is a huge influx from Africa trying to get to Europe and while you can't blame people for wanting more earning power, you also cannot offer a better lifestyle to so many at the detriment of the indigenous population.

by HoratioTarr Mon May 07, 2018 10:46 am

nicko wrote:ALL people deserve a peaceful place to live, problem is when you give it them a lot want to turn it into the place they come from !

Didn't the British do that with Colonialism? There was enough banging on about the evils of that on here.

by Ben Reilly Mon May 07, 2018 10:55 am

All the cynicism in the world can't shoo away the fact that people must be allowed to leave war-torn regions.

The U.S. and Canada accepted British civilians during World War II, and you know what? I bet some of them got into trouble while they were over here.

It doesn't mean you kick them all out, for fuck's sake.

by Victorismyhero Mon May 07, 2018 11:48 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:All the cynicism in the world can't shoo away the fact that people must be allowed to leave war-torn regions.

The U.S. and Canada accepted British civilians during World War II, and you know what? I bet some of them got into trouble while they were over here.

It doesn't mean you kick them all out, for fuck's sake.

true enough Ben, but then again I bet they didnt go in for wholesale rape and pillage, bombings, vehicular homicide, gang shootings and sedition.....

by Vintage Mon May 07, 2018 12:08 pm

It was easier for them to intergrate as well, the basic culture is very similar but there are differences, its a lot more difficult for someone that has a very different outlook on lifestyle to intergrate, although many do of course, yet its sometimes easier to keep to your own as we can see in many cities these days.

by JulesV Mon May 07, 2018 1:15 pm

Vintage wrote:There was a programme about migrants with reporters following a few on their journey. One young man from Sub Saharan Africa was being sent by his family to get into Europe to send money back to keep them in the
manner they were accustomed to, their house was quite nice, the furnishings were those large ultra shiny highly decorated cabinets, settees and chairs (Italian I believe) there were a few brothers and sisters and his big fat mama done up to the nines giving him orders that now his father was dead he was to provide for the family. It didn't say what the father had done or why he hadn't followed in his footsteps, they certainly didn't look hand to mouth,

all being over weight.

A family of fatties? Hundreds of illegal immigrants attack police in a town in Germany - Page 2 3489511464

Sorry but I had to laugh. Hundreds of illegal immigrants attack police in a town in Germany - Page 2 3489511464

Fatness does not always automatically equate to wealth & prosperity tho.
Cheap food is quite fattening!

Chips, oily snacks, candies, biscuits are a sure recipe for obesity and these are the cheapest foods available.
Quality stuff like fruits, green vegetables and class A proteins are actually far more slimming.
The grocery bill goes up sharply when people start a slimming diet.

That's the paradox. flower

by Vintage Mon May 07, 2018 1:28 pm

True, I don't think these were eating burgers, chips and kebabs types though, judging by the jewellry, clothes, hair and furnishings they appeared quite affluent but of course the bread winner had died and now the eldest son was it. What ever dad did seemed to have died with him so the next bread winner was being sent illegally to get to Europe anywhere would do, where it seemed to be presumed he'd make a mint and keep them in their customary way. It didn't mention what the rest of the family did or didn't do to contribute to the family lifestyle. It would have been interesting to have more of a backstory on the family.

by JulesV Mon May 07, 2018 1:46 pm

Yes a backstory would have been useful. Smile

In poor countries obesity was a sign of wealth. Lardy wife = prestigious status symbol for a man, my friend Vils said.
In affluent countries it's the opposite - obesity is usually a sign of a poor quality diet.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 5:03 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Do people have the right to seek a peaceful place to live, or not?

They do not have the right to travel through numerous safe countries to try to get into another that they prefer...

by Guest Mon May 07, 2018 5:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

They do not have the right to travel through numerous safe countries to try to get into another that they prefer...

That is not answering the question

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 6:24 pm

Yes it does...

by Guest Mon May 07, 2018 6:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes it does...

What a surprise

Twice on this debate, Tommy copouts

by HoratioTarr Mon May 07, 2018 6:40 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:All the cynicism in the world can't shoo away the fact that people must be allowed to leave war-torn regions.

The U.S. and Canada accepted British civilians during World War II, and you know what? I bet some of them got into trouble while they were over here.

It doesn't mean you kick them all out, for fuck's sake.

Is anyone on here disputing that? It's more the ones who are piggy backing in just to earn more money, or think they can get free health and benefits.

by HoratioTarr Mon May 07, 2018 6:50 pm

Jules wrote:
Vintage wrote:There was a programme about migrants with reporters following a few on their journey. One young man from Sub Saharan Africa was being sent by his family to get into Europe to send money back to keep them in the
manner they were accustomed to, their house was quite nice, the furnishings were those large ultra shiny highly decorated cabinets, settees and chairs (Italian I believe) there were a few brothers and sisters and his big fat mama done up to the nines giving him orders that now his father was dead he was to provide for the family. It didn't say what the father had done or why he hadn't followed in his footsteps, they certainly didn't look hand to mouth,

all being over weight.

A family of fatties?
Sorry but I had to laugh.

Fatness does not always automatically equate to wealth & prosperity tho.
Cheap food is quite fattening!

Chips, oily snacks, candies, biscuits are a sure recipe for obesity and these are the cheapest foods available.
Quality stuff like fruits, green vegetables and class A proteins are actually far more slimming.
The grocery bill goes up sharply when people start a slimming diet.

That's the paradox.

I'll tell you what it does equate to. It means you've got enough to feed yourself and are not going hungry. A poor diet in the UK is more down to ignorance and laziness IMO. It's easier to grill a packet of chicken nuggets than prepare a meal from scratch that will actually cost the same.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 6:55 pm

They do not have the right to travel through numerous safe countries to try to get into another that they prefer...

It's the rules dodge...

by Guest Mon May 07, 2018 7:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They do not have the right to travel through numerous safe countries to try to get into another that they prefer...

It's the rules dodge...

So you would have denied Jews fleeing nazi controlled Europe then?

Many had to flee through many countries to reach relevtive safety

wow

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Yawn...

by Raggamuffin Mon May 07, 2018 7:53 pm

Jules wrote:
Vintage wrote:There was a programme about migrants with reporters following a few on their journey. One young man from Sub Saharan Africa was being sent by his family to get into Europe to send money back to keep them in the
manner they were accustomed to, their house was quite nice, the furnishings were those large ultra shiny highly decorated cabinets, settees and chairs (Italian I believe) there were a few brothers and sisters and his big fat mama done up to the nines giving him orders that now his father was dead he was to provide for the family. It didn't say what the father had done or why he hadn't followed in his footsteps, they certainly didn't look hand to mouth,

all being over weight.

A family of fatties?
Sorry but I had to laugh.

Fatness does not always automatically equate to wealth & prosperity tho.
Cheap food is quite fattening!

Chips, oily snacks, candies, biscuits are a sure recipe for obesity and these are the cheapest foods available.
Quality stuff like fruits, green vegetables and class A proteins are actually far more slimming.
The grocery bill goes up sharply when people start a slimming diet.

That's the paradox.

You still have to eat quite a lot of that stuff to be overweight or obese, and that costs money. Grocery bills don't necessarily go up when people start a slimming diet. They can just cut out the biccies, chocolate, crisps, and booze - ie, they spend less.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 07, 2018 8:08 pm

Besides that... the illegal immigrant from the fat family, has no legitimate grounds for asylum claim...

by eddie Mon May 07, 2018 10:20 pm

nicko wrote:ALL people deserve a peaceful place to live, problem is when you give it them a lot want to turn it into the place they come from !

Like the British did to parts of Spain, you mean?

by nicko Tue May 08, 2018 5:11 am

The British in Spain don't go rioting when they don't get what they want !!

by Vintage Tue May 08, 2018 10:18 am

I doubt 750,000 Brits make the same impact on Spain as 4 or 5 million of non British origin make in Britain.

by 'Wolfie Tue May 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Vintage wrote:
I doubt 750,000 Brits make the same impact on Spain as 4 or 5 million of non British origin make in Britain.

And yet...

That is still only a very small fraction of the impact that British settlers had in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand around 200 -->> 300 years ago..

Or the Romans in Britain a couple of millenia back when.

by Vintage Tue May 08, 2018 1:42 pm

Indeed, the migrants to the Americas, Australia and New Zealand completely changed the countries cultures, with the original cultures holding on by a thread.
All cultures change if they have contact with other cultures, nothing wrong in that but its by borrowing and adopting those things that are useful or attractive, we now, thankfully, well most of us I hope, realise colonisation/invasions are wrong. Having said that I dread to think what will happen when we get to roam space, I'm not sure we have changed that much.

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