Russia...more poisoning

The New York Times wrote:Worst Chemical Attack in Years in Syria

ANNE BARNARD and MICHAEL R. GORDONAPRIL 4, 2017

BEIRUT, Lebanon — One of the worst chemical bombings in Syria turned a northern rebel-held area into a toxic kill zone on Tuesday, inciting international outrage over the ever-increasing government impunity shown in the country’s six-year war.

Western leaders including Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon blamed the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad and called on its patrons, Russia and Iran, to prevent a recurrence of what many described as a war crime.

Dozens of people, including children, died — some writhing, choking, gasping or foaming at the mouth — after breathing in poison that possibly contained a nerve agent or other banned chemicals, according to witnesses, doctors and rescue workers. They said the toxic substance spread after warplanes dropped bombs in the early morning hours. Some rescue workers grew ill and collapsed from proximity to the dead.

The opposition-run Health Department in Idlib Province, where the attack took place, said 69 people had died, providing a list of their names. The dead were still being identified, and some humanitarian groups said as many as 100 had died.

The government of Mr. Assad, who renounced chemical weapons nearly four years ago after a large chemical attack that American intelligence agencies concluded was carried out by his forces, denied that his military had been responsible, as he has done every time chemical munitions have been used in Syria.

A statement from the Syrian military accused insurgents of responsibility and said they had accused the army of using toxic weapons “every time they fail to achieve the goals of their sponsors.”

But only the Syrian military had the ability and the motive to carry out an aerial attack like the one that struck the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhoun.

Russia offered another explanation. A spokesman for its Defense Ministry, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said Syrian warplanes had struck an insurgent storehouse containing toxic substances to be used in chemical weapons.

Witnesses to the attack said it began before 7 a.m. Numerous photographs and graphic videos posted online by activists and residents showed children and older adults gasping and struggling to breathe, or lying motionless in the mud as rescue workers ripped off victims’ clothes and hosed them down. The bodies of at least 10 children lay lined up on the ground or under a quilt.

A few hours later, according to several witnesses, another airstrike hit one of the clinics treating victims, who had been sent to smaller hospitals and maternity wards because the area’s largest hospital was severely damaged by an airstrike two days earlier.

The scale and brazenness of the assault threatened to further subvert a nominal and often violated cease-fire that had taken hold in parts of the country since Mr. Assad’s forces retook the northern city of Aleppo in December with Russian help, emboldening the Syrian leader to think he could win the war.

The attack also seemed likely to dampen peace talks that have been overseen by the United Nations in Geneva and by Russia and Turkey in Astana, Kazakhstan.

Incredulous over the chemical assault, humanitarian groups demanded action from the United Nations Security Council, where partisan divides over who is to blame for the Syrian war have paralyzed its members almost since the conflict began in 2011.

On Tuesday night, Britain, France and the United States were pushing the Security Council to adopt a resolution that condemns the attack and orders the Syrian government to provide all flight logs, flight plans and names of commanders in charge of air operations, including those for Tuesday, to international investigators.

The draft resolution, negotiated among diplomats from the three countries on Tuesday, was later circulated to all 15 members of the Council. It could come up for a vote as early as Wednesday.

For Mr. Trump, who has repeatedly blamed what he has called President Barack Obama’s failures for the Syria crisis, the chemical weapons assault posed a potential policy dilemma and exposed some glaring contradictions in his own evolving positions on Syria.

The White House called the attack a “reprehensible” act against innocent people “that cannot be ignored by the civilized world.”

At the same time, Mr. Trump’s spokesman, Sean Spicer, denounced Mr. Obama for having failed to make good on his famous “red line” statement in 2012, suggesting he would intervene militarily in Syria if Mr. Assad used chemical weapons.

But in August 2013, Mr. Trump exhorted Mr. Obama not to intervene after a chemical weapons attack near Damascus that American intelligence attributed to the Syrian military killed more than 1,400 civilians, including hundreds of children, according to United States government estimates at the time. “President Obama, do not attack Syria,” Mr. Trump said on Twitter. “There is no upside and tremendous downside.”

Mr. Trump’s administration, which would like to shift the focus in Syria entirely to fighting the Islamic State, has in recent days described Mr. Assad’s hold on his office as a political reality — an assertion that has drawn strong condemnation from influential Republicans who say Mr. Assad must leave power.

Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, who had said that Mr. Assad’s fate “will be decided by the Syrian people,” struck a sharply different tone on Tuesday, urging Mr. Assad’s allies Russia and Iran “to exercise their influence over the Syrian regime and to guarantee that this sort of horrific attack never happens again.”

Mr. Tillerson added that “Russia and Iran also bear great moral responsibility for these deaths.”

Russia has insisted that it had no military role in the strike. But a State Department official who briefed reporters in Washington said Russian officials were trying to evade their responsibility because Russia and Iran were guarantors of the Assad government’s commitment to adhere to a cease-fire in the peace talks that the Kremlin had helped organize in Astana.

Rescue workers from the White Helmets civil defense organization said that many children were among the dead and wounded. Radi Saad, who writes incident reports for the group, said that volunteers had reached the site not knowing a chemical was present and that five of them had suffered from exposure to the substance.

While chlorine gas attacks have become almost routine in northern Syria, this one was different, medical workers and witnesses said. Chlorine attacks usually kill just a few people, often those trapped in an enclosed space, and the gas dissipates quickly.

This time, people collapsed outdoors, and in much larger numbers. The symptoms were different: They included the pinpoint pupils of victims that characterize nerve agents and other banned poisons. One doctor posted a video of a patient’s eye, showing the pupil reduced to a dot. Several people were sickened simply by coming into contact with victims.

The opposition minister of health, Mohamad Firas al-Jundi, said in a video that he had been in a field hospital at 7:30 a.m. when more than 100 people arrived wounded or sickened.

“The patients are in the corridors and on the floors of the operation rooms, the E.R.s and in the patient rooms,” he said. “I saw more than 10 deaths due to this attack.”

Symptoms included suffocation; fluid in the lungs, with foam coming from the mouth; unconsciousness; spasms; and paralysis, he said.

“It’s a shocking act,” he said. “The world knows and is aware of what’s happening in Syria, and we are ready to submit evidence to criminal laboratories to prove the use of these gases.”

A 14-year-old resident of the attacked town, Mariam Abu Khalil, said she had left home for her examination on the Quran — scheduled for early morning because fewer bombings were expected then — when the attack took place. On the way, she saw an aircraft drop a bomb on a one-story building a few dozen yards away. In a telephone interview Tuesday night, she described an explosion like a yellow mushroom cloud that stung her eyes. “It was like a winter fog,” she said.

Sheltering in her home nearby, she saw several residents arrive by car to help the wounded. “When they got out, they inhaled the gas and died,” she said.

The attack appeared to be the deadliest chemical attack in Syria since the August 2013 assault. Under threat of United States retaliation, Mr. Assad agreed to a Russian-American deal to eliminate his country’s chemical weapons program, which until that time it had denied having, and to join an international treaty banning chemical weapons.

But the operation took far longer than expected and raised questions about whether all the materials were accounted for. The head of the international monitoring body, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, complained in an internal report about misleading statements from Damascus and expressed concern about possible undeclared chemical weapons.

Since then, the organization, working with the United Nations, has found that the Syrian government used chlorine gas as a weapon three times in 2014 and 2015, violating the treaty. Rebel fighters, doctors and antigovernment activists say there have been numerous other chlorine attacks, including at least two in the past week, in one case killing a doctor as he worked.

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has also accused the Islamic State of using banned mustard gas in Iraq and Syria. The area around Khan Sheikhoun is not held by the Islamic State, but by other insurgents: Qaeda-linked militants and a variety of other rebel groups.

A chemical weapons attack, if carried out by the government, would be a brazen statement of impunity, coming during a major international meeting in Brussels where officials are debating whether the European Union and other countries will contribute billions of dollars for reconstructing Syria if it is presided over by a government run by Mr. Assad.

Tommy Monk wrote:I posted this on 18th March...




Maybe this blaming Russia is setting up support for military action in Syria...?


With fake chemical attacks being staged by ISIS rebels as the next step...


https://www.rt.com/news/421589-us-preparing-syria-provocations-airstrikes/


http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/03/17/555774/US-training-Syria-militants-for-false-flag-chemical-attacks-Russian-cmdr

Original Quill wrote:Russia seems to love it's gasses and poisons.  Is this the wave of the future?

The New York Times wrote:Worst Chemical Attack in Years in Syria

ANNE BARNARD and MICHAEL R. GORDONAPRIL 4, 2017

BEIRUT, Lebanon — One of the worst chemical bombings in Syria turned a northern rebel-held area into a toxic kill zone on Tuesday, inciting international outrage over the ever-increasing government impunity shown in the country’s six-year war.

Western leaders including Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon blamed the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad and called on its patrons, Russia and Iran, to prevent a recurrence of what many described as a war crime.

Dozens of people, including children, died — some writhing, choking, gasping or foaming at the mouth — after breathing in poison that possibly contained a nerve agent or other banned chemicals, according to witnesses, doctors and rescue workers. They said the toxic substance spread after warplanes dropped bombs in the early morning hours. Some rescue workers grew ill and collapsed from proximity to the dead.

The opposition-run Health Department in Idlib Province, where the attack took place, said 69 people had died, providing a list of their names. The dead were still being identified, and some humanitarian groups said as many as 100 had died.

The government of Mr. Assad, who renounced chemical weapons nearly four years ago after a large chemical attack that American intelligence agencies concluded was carried out by his forces, denied that his military had been responsible, as he has done every time chemical munitions have been used in Syria.

A statement from the Syrian military accused insurgents of responsibility and said they had accused the army of using toxic weapons “every time they fail to achieve the goals of their sponsors.”

But only the Syrian military had the ability and the motive to carry out an aerial attack like the one that struck the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhoun.

Russia offered another explanation. A spokesman for its Defense Ministry, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said Syrian warplanes had struck an insurgent storehouse containing toxic substances to be used in chemical weapons.

Witnesses to the attack said it began before 7 a.m. Numerous photographs and graphic videos posted online by activists and residents showed children and older adults gasping and struggling to breathe, or lying motionless in the mud as rescue workers ripped off victims’ clothes and hosed them down. The bodies of at least 10 children lay lined up on the ground or under a quilt.

A few hours later, according to several witnesses, another airstrike hit one of the clinics treating victims, who had been sent to smaller hospitals and maternity wards because the area’s largest hospital was severely damaged by an airstrike two days earlier.

The scale and brazenness of the assault threatened to further subvert a nominal and often violated cease-fire that had taken hold in parts of the country since Mr. Assad’s forces retook the northern city of Aleppo in December with Russian help, emboldening the Syrian leader to think he could win the war.

The attack also seemed likely to dampen peace talks that have been overseen by the United Nations in Geneva and by Russia and Turkey in Astana, Kazakhstan.

Incredulous over the chemical assault, humanitarian groups demanded action from the United Nations Security Council, where partisan divides over who is to blame for the Syrian war have paralyzed its members almost since the conflict began in 2011.

On Tuesday night, Britain, France and the United States were pushing the Security Council to adopt a resolution that condemns the attack and orders the Syrian government to provide all flight logs, flight plans and names of commanders in charge of air operations, including those for Tuesday, to international investigators.

The draft resolution, negotiated among diplomats from the three countries on Tuesday, was later circulated to all 15 members of the Council. It could come up for a vote as early as Wednesday.

For Mr. Trump, who has repeatedly blamed what he has called President Barack Obama’s failures for the Syria crisis, the chemical weapons assault posed a potential policy dilemma and exposed some glaring contradictions in his own evolving positions on Syria.

The White House called the attack a “reprehensible” act against innocent people “that cannot be ignored by the civilized world.”

At the same time, Mr. Trump’s spokesman, Sean Spicer, denounced Mr. Obama for having failed to make good on his famous “red line” statement in 2012, suggesting he would intervene militarily in Syria if Mr. Assad used chemical weapons.

But in August 2013, Mr. Trump exhorted Mr. Obama not to intervene after a chemical weapons attack near Damascus that American intelligence attributed to the Syrian military killed more than 1,400 civilians, including hundreds of children, according to United States government estimates at the time. “President Obama, do not attack Syria,” Mr. Trump said on Twitter. “There is no upside and tremendous downside.”

Mr. Trump’s administration, which would like to shift the focus in Syria entirely to fighting the Islamic State, has in recent days described Mr. Assad’s hold on his office as a political reality — an assertion that has drawn strong condemnation from influential Republicans who say Mr. Assad must leave power.

Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, who had said that Mr. Assad’s fate “will be decided by the Syrian people,” struck a sharply different tone on Tuesday, urging Mr. Assad’s allies Russia and Iran “to exercise their influence over the Syrian regime and to guarantee that this sort of horrific attack never happens again.”

Mr. Tillerson added that “Russia and Iran also bear great moral responsibility for these deaths.”

Russia has insisted that it had no military role in the strike. But a State Department official who briefed reporters in Washington said Russian officials were trying to evade their responsibility because Russia and Iran were guarantors of the Assad government’s commitment to adhere to a cease-fire in the peace talks that the Kremlin had helped organize in Astana.

Rescue workers from the White Helmets civil defense organization said that many children were among the dead and wounded. Radi Saad, who writes incident reports for the group, said that volunteers had reached the site not knowing a chemical was present and that five of them had suffered from exposure to the substance.

While chlorine gas attacks have become almost routine in northern Syria, this one was different, medical workers and witnesses said. Chlorine attacks usually kill just a few people, often those trapped in an enclosed space, and the gas dissipates quickly.

This time, people collapsed outdoors, and in much larger numbers. The symptoms were different: They included the pinpoint pupils of victims that characterize nerve agents and other banned poisons. One doctor posted a video of a patient’s eye, showing the pupil reduced to a dot. Several people were sickened simply by coming into contact with victims.

The opposition minister of health, Mohamad Firas al-Jundi, said in a video that he had been in a field hospital at 7:30 a.m. when more than 100 people arrived wounded or sickened.

“The patients are in the corridors and on the floors of the operation rooms, the E.R.s and in the patient rooms,” he said. “I saw more than 10 deaths due to this attack.”

Symptoms included suffocation; fluid in the lungs, with foam coming from the mouth; unconsciousness; spasms; and paralysis, he said.

“It’s a shocking act,” he said. “The world knows and is aware of what’s happening in Syria, and we are ready to submit evidence to criminal laboratories to prove the use of these gases.”

A 14-year-old resident of the attacked town, Mariam Abu Khalil, said she had left home for her examination on the Quran — scheduled for early morning because fewer bombings were expected then — when the attack took place. On the way, she saw an aircraft drop a bomb on a one-story building a few dozen yards away. In a telephone interview Tuesday night, she described an explosion like a yellow mushroom cloud that stung her eyes. “It was like a winter fog,” she said.

Sheltering in her home nearby, she saw several residents arrive by car to help the wounded. “When they got out, they inhaled the gas and died,” she said.

The attack appeared to be the deadliest chemical attack in Syria since the August 2013 assault. Under threat of United States retaliation, Mr. Assad agreed to a Russian-American deal to eliminate his country’s chemical weapons program, which until that time it had denied having, and to join an international treaty banning chemical weapons.

But the operation took far longer than expected and raised questions about whether all the materials were accounted for. The head of the international monitoring body, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, complained in an internal report about misleading statements from Damascus and expressed concern about possible undeclared chemical weapons.

Since then, the organization, working with the United Nations, has found that the Syrian government used chlorine gas as a weapon three times in 2014 and 2015, violating the treaty. Rebel fighters, doctors and antigovernment activists say there have been numerous other chlorine attacks, including at least two in the past week, in one case killing a doctor as he worked.

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has also accused the Islamic State of using banned mustard gas in Iraq and Syria. The area around Khan Sheikhoun is not held by the Islamic State, but by other insurgents: Qaeda-linked militants and a variety of other rebel groups.

A chemical weapons attack, if carried out by the government, would be a brazen statement of impunity, coming during a major international meeting in Brussels where officials are debating whether the European Union and other countries will contribute billions of dollars for reconstructing Syria if it is presided over by a government run by Mr. Assad.

The question is, what does the WH do now.  Last year, when gas was used, Trump sent a message via tomahawk missiles in a cornfield next to an airstrip.  Obviously, that was useless.  So, what now?

What is our mission?  Trump appears to be more confused than he accuses Obama of being.  It's a tougher job than you figgered, eh Donald?  Last week you were talking about leaving...what's next, big guy, stick around and go to war with Russia?  The RW says Dr. Obama did poorly on the international front.  It's going to be fun watching ol' pussy-grabber do (oh so much) better.

Well?  We're over here, waiting.  

Tommy Monk wrote:I posted this on 18th March...

Maybe this blaming Russia is setting up support for military action in Syria...?

. Russia accused Israel of carrying out an overnight air strike on a Syrian air base which reportedly killed 14 people — including Iranian soldiers. Jerusalem officials declined to comment on what Moscow called “a dangerous development.” Meanwhile, NBC News reported that two US officials (unnamed) confirmed that Israel carried out the attack, and even gave the White House advance notification while the Jerusalem Post suggests even more:

There is some speculation among analysts that Israel carried out the attack in coordination with the US to test the latest Syrian response system in advance of such a response.

Israel has launched periodic air strikes in Syria to prevent transfers of game-changing weapons to Hezbollah and curb Iranian entrenchment. If Israel carried out last night’s strike, it could also have been a response to Bashar Assad’s recent chemical attack on Douma, a rebel-held town northeast of Damascus. At least 42 people, including women and children were killed. The NBC report assumed the strike was a response to the chemical weapons, though its sources didn’t specify that. The Tiyas air field, also known as T4, has been hit by Israel in the past, “destroying an Iranian drone control center and communications systems.”

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I posted this on 18th March...

Maybe this blaming Russia is setting up support for military action in Syria...?

Doubtful Russ.  It just happened last week, on April 4th.  Read the first paragraph of the posted new article.

Tommy Monk wrote:


The source of the fake chemical attack video is ISIS terrorists...!!!


What is wrong with you people...!?


Can't you see that this dodgy ISIS video is a complete load of bullshit...!!!???


Do you really think that a quick squirt of water from a hosepipe and a puff on an asthma pump, is the magic cure from a 'chemical weapons attack'...!!!???


Come on people...!!!


Stop being so gullible!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:The source of the fake chemical attack video is ISIS terrorists...!!!

What is wrong with you people...!?

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Not to mention that his other source, RT, is straight-up Russian government-operated media

Didge wrote:

. Russia accused Israel of carrying out an overnight air strike on a Syrian air base which reportedly killed 14 people — including Iranian soldiers. Jerusalem officials declined to comment on what Moscow called “a dangerous development.” Meanwhile, NBC News reported that two US officials (unnamed) confirmed that Israel carried out the attack, and even gave the White House advance notification while the Jerusalem Post suggests even more:

Israel has launched periodic air strikes in Syria to prevent transfers of game-changing weapons to Hezbollah and curb Iranian entrenchment. If Israel carried out last night’s strike, it could also have been a response to Bashar Assad’s recent chemical attack on Douma, a rebel-held town northeast of Damascus. At least 42 people, including women and children were killed. The NBC report assumed the strike was a response to the chemical weapons, though its sources didn’t specify that. The Tiyas air field, also known as T4, has been hit by Israel in the past, “destroying an Iranian drone control center and communications systems.”

Well one thing is for sure and this is now twice Israeli Jets have evaded Syrian and Iranian radar systems

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/33692/Default.aspx

This clearly is making the Russians very concerned, how Israel with its new stealth fighter jets. Can easily strike without warning.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Well one thing is for sure and this is now twice Israeli Jets have evaded Syrian and Iranian radar systems

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/33692/Default.aspx

This clearly is making the Russians very concerned, how Israel with its new stealth fighter jets. Can easily strike without warning.

The F-35-x is an American plane (built by Lockheed Martin..).

Israeli pilot_trainers are trained in turn by the US Air Force (as are the Aussie Air Force's trainers -- at the USAF's "Top Gun" flight school at Pensacola..).

Many people consider the Israelis to be an extension of the US military --  conducting exercises like those will be producing valuable info' on a jet fighter that is effectively still in development.

(The RAAF took delivery of "our" first two F-35As early last year..).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/raaf-to-take-a-lead-in-f35s-formation/news-story/fb45ca70f5f1e5724993c31998d58392

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/joint-strike-fighters-f35-land-in-australia/8308498

Original Quill wrote:One correction: The Top Gun training is a part of the United States Navy, not Air Force, and it takes place at Miramar Naval Air Station (NAS), just outside of San Diego, CA.  Miramar NAS is a part of Marine Corps Air Station Miramar...the Marine Corps being a unit of the US Navy.  Pensacola NAS, in Pensacola, FL, is a huge, basic Navy training base.

Because aircraft carriers are mobile and can go anywhere, the Navy has surpassed the Air Force in having the best tactical pilots among US forces (a topic of dispute among rowdy AF personnel, however).  Top Gun training is considered graduate study in tactical air combat technique.  Only the best Navy and Marine pilots, who are slated to move up, attend Miramar.

Didge wrote:

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Not to mention that his other source, RT, is straight-up Russian government-operated media

Indeed and he keeps coming out with this same crap ignoring the countless evidence that the Assad carried out these attacks and have the quantities to do so. A point he blatnatly ignores.

He also ignores that the Russians put a stop to any further investigations on these attacks

Tommy is no more than a quisling and a stooge for the Russians and believes idiots who are supporters of assad. I proved that the other day.

I frankly do not take the idiot seriously anymore

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge wrote:

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Not to mention that his other source, RT, is straight-up Russian government-operated media

Indeed and he keeps coming out with this same crap ignoring the countless evidence that the Assad carried out these attacks and have the quantities to do so. A point he blatnatly ignores.

He also ignores that the Russians put a stop to any further investigations on these attacks

Tommy is no more than a quisling and a stooge for the Russians and believes idiots who are supporters of assad. I proved that the other day.

I frankly do not take the idiot seriously anymore

Why are you lying...?


Russia has called for a fair and open investigation into it!!!


Why are some so quick to believe a video produced by ISIS terrorists...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Please explain your accusation... and show me evidence to support your claims...!?


The ISIS terrorists video is bullshit... and there is no evidence that Russia had anything to do with Salisbury... in fact, the more you look at it, the more the whole thing looks like a complete load of bullshit too...!!!


WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge wrote:


Indeed and he keeps coming out with this same crap ignoring the countless evidence that the Assad carried out these attacks and have the quantities to do so. A point he blatnatly ignores.

He also ignores that the Russians put a stop to any further investigations on these attacks

Tommy is no more than a quisling and a stooge for the Russians and believes idiots who are supporters of assad. I proved that the other day.

I frankly do not take the idiot seriously anymore

Why are you lying...?


Russia has called for a fair and open investigation into it!!!


Why are some so quick to believe a video produced by ISIS terrorists...?

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Please explain your accusation... and show me evidence to support your claims...!?


The ISIS terrorists video is bullshit... and there is no evidence that Russia had anything to do with Salisbury... in fact, the more you look at it, the more the whole thing looks like a complete load of bullshit too...!!!


WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!!???

I'm with you on this Tommy

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Why are you lying...?


Russia has called for a fair and open investigation into it!!!


Why are some so quick to believe a video produced by ISIS terrorists...?

Why are you so quick to support a guy who tries to kill people in your own country?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thanks Gelico...


And Ben... just think for a moment about all the brutal atrocites that the ISIS islamists have been carrying out over the last few years just in Syria in the areas they controlled... the barbaric beheadings, the persecution and murdering of christians and enslavement and raping of the women and girls, the open markets of selling these poor unfortunate women and girls as sex slaves to other islamist scumbags, the murdering of gays by throwing them off buildings... then remember all the other mass murders of others across Europe/UK/US in countless other terrorist attacks by these same ISIS islamist terrorist scum...


Now... you tell me why you are so quick to believe this latest dodgy ISIS terrorist produced video as being in any way credible...!!!???


??????

Tommy Monk wrote:Still no evidence...

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Still no evidence...

Hmmm...  Yesterday Russia just vetoed a UN Resolution calling for a major investigation into the gassing.  Sure looks like they are stalling any inquiry.  Rather obvious circumstantial evidence, eh?

Tommy Monk wrote:


The source of the fake chemical attack video is ISIS terrorists...!!!


What is wrong with you people...!?


Can't you see that this dodgy ISIS video is a complete load of bullshit...!!!???


Do you really think that a quick squirt of water from a hosepipe and a puff on an asthma pump, is the magic cure from a 'chemical weapons attack'...!!!???


Come on people...!!!


Stop being so gullible!!!

Original Quill wrote:Hundred bucks says that Tommy is out of IRA in St. Petersberg.  No one but a dedicated professional is that gullible.

He's worried if he doesn't stick to the line, Putin's men will pay him a visit.

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Please explain your accusation... and show me evidence to support your claims...!?


The ISIS terrorists video is bullshit... and there is no evidence that Russia had anything to do with Salisbury... in fact, the more you look at it, the more the whole thing looks like a complete load of bullshit too...!!!


WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!!???

I'm with you on this Tommy

gelico wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsfJdpglHE

Didge wrote:

gelico wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsfJdpglHE

So a video of a drill in what happens, which is what we do on attacks, do we not?

Its being held in a classroom, not a hospital

Is that your evidence?

Compared to the UN report, you and Tommy have failed to read?

gelico wrote:

Didge wrote:


So a video of a drill in what happens, which is what we do on attacks, do we not?

Its being held in a classroom, not a hospital

Is that your evidence?

Compared to the UN report, you and Tommy have failed to read?

It is not a drill

gelico wrote:
so kids are playing.  the signal is given and all the kids fall down, start convulsing, rolling their eyes etc.  dressed up medics spraying foam on their faces etc.

''drill''

Tommy Monk wrote:
Yes Gelico...


I'm just waiting for didge to pop up and say that Peter Ford doesn't know what he's talking about...!