Russia declares war on UK

by Original Quill Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:53 pm

Sky News wrote:Salisbury spy poisoning an 'act of war' against UK
The Home Secretary is promising a "robust" response to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter with a nerve agent.

By Greg Heffer, Political Reporter

Russia will have committed a "brazen act of war" against Britain if Moscow is found responsible for a nerve agent attack on UK soil, the Government has been told.

The poisoning of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal, 65, and his daughter Yulia, 33, in Salisbury, Wiltshire, was described by Home Secretary Amber Rudd on Thursday as "attempted murder in the most cruel and public way".

The Cabinet minister promised a "robust" response once responsibility for the attack is established, but she told the House of Commons her current priority is on the immediate response to the incident.

However, senior Tory MP Sir Edward Leigh used Ms Rudd's update to MPs on the poisoning to demand increased defence spending.

He declared the Government's two per cent of GDP spend on defence as "not enough" in the face of the current threat from Russia.

Sir Edward also claimed there is "very strong" circumstantial evidence against Moscow over the attack on former spy Mr Skripal and his daughter.

"Who else would have the motive and the means?" he asked.

"Those of us who seek to understand Russia know that the only way to preserve peace is through strength.

"And, if Russia is behind this, this is a brazen act of war. Of humiliating our country."

Ms Rudd told Sir Edward "there will come a time for attribution", which would subsequently lead to "consequences".

Earlier, in a statement to MPs, Ms Rudd called the use of a nerve agent on UK soil as "a brazen and reckless act".

She added: "People are right to want to know who to hold to account. But, if we are to be rigorous in this investigation, we must avoid speculation and allow police to carry on their investigation.

"The investigation now involves hundreds of officers following every possible lead to find those responsible.

"We are committed to doing all we can to bring the perpetrators to justice - whoever they are and wherever they may be.

"The investigation is moving at pace and this Government will act without hesitation as the facts become clearer."

Earlier on Thursday, Ms Rudd revealed to Sky News a police officer who was hurt in the attack is "awake and engaging with people", although Mr Skripal and his daughter remain in a "very serious" condition in hospital.

Her fellow Cabinet minister, Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson, also declined to say whether Moscow was responsible for the Salisbury attack but branded Russia an "ever-greater threat" to the UK.

"Russia's being assertive, Russia's being more aggressive, and we have to change the way that we deal with it," he told ITV.

"We can't be in a situation in these areas of conflict where we are being pushed around by another nation."

Former Tory minister Nick Boles called on the Government to "turn tough talk into action" over Russia, posting on Twitter: "I do not see how we can maintain diplomatic relations with a country that tries to murder people on British soil and puts the lives of British citizens at risk."

Former top UK diplomat Sir Christopher Meyer, who previously worked in Moscow, said any evidence of Russian state involvement in the Salisbury poisoning would require a British response.

He told Sky News: "You cannot tolerate a government assassination on British soil. It is absolutely beyond the pale and needs a reaction."

Looks like Russia is taking over the local gang activity in Europe. Trump is scared shitless of Putin, so it falls to Britain to take the lead in the west. Gd Luck, mates.

by eddie Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:58 pm

It will come to absolutely nothing. You watch.

by Original Quill Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:00 pm

Yahoo News wrote:Russia Likely Responsible For Poisoning Spy, UK Officials Say

Lydia O'Connor
,HuffPost•March 12, 2018
Investigators have concluded that it’s “highly likely” Russia is responsible for poisoning the former Russian spy and his daughter found in Salisbury, England, last week, U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May said Monday.

Sergei Skripal, 66, a former colonel in the Russian military intelligence, and his daughter Yulia, 33, have been hospitalized in critical condition since last week after they were found unconscious near a park bench in Salisbury and tested positive for contamination by a nerve agent.

May announced in Parliament on Monday that the investigators found that the nerve agent used is a military-grade poison developed by Russians.

“We must now stand ready to take extensive measures,” May said.

“Should there be no credible response [from Russia], we shall conclude that this action amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state against the United Kingdom,” she continued, noting that the British government will not be able to continue “business as usual” with the Kremlin.

The Kremlin’s alleged “record of state-sponsored assassinations” adds to the likelihood that Russia either deliberately carried out the attack or let the poison get into the hands of others, May said. Russia has denied any involvement in the poisoning incident.

Members of emergency services in green biohazard encapsulated suits afix a tent over the bench where Sergei Skripal and his daughter were found on March 4 in critical condition in Salisbury, southern England. (BEN STANSALL via Getty Images)
Members of emergency services in green biohazard encapsulated suits afix a tent over the bench where Sergei Skripal and his daughter were found on March 4 in critical condition in Salisbury, southern England. (BEN STANSALL via Getty Images)
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A law enforcement officer who responded at the scene is also still being treated for exposure to the nerve agent.

Skripal was given refuge in the U.K. in 2010 as part of a high-profile “spy swap” after Russia convicted him in 2006 of spying for Britain.

A week after the attack, public health officials said they also found trace amounts of the nerve agent at Salisbury’s Zizzi restaurant and the Mill pub. They urged hundreds of people who had been to either restaurant to wash their clothes and clean other personal belongings, though the risk of contamination was low.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

Side story: Also likely that Russia intereferred in BREXIT vote. I always wondered about Nigel Farage's hasty exit right afterwards.

by eddie Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:11 pm

To be fair, Farage did say that he only wanted to see Brexit happen. He did say he’d leave afterwards.

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:31 pm

Clearly, this was not an act of war as the targets were Russians.

by Original Quill Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:33 pm

Nevertheless, I think Germany, the UK or someone should buff up over there. Putin's clearly making a move on Europe, and you can't depend on the US with this coward in office.

by Original Quill Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Clearly, this was not an act of war as the targets were Russians.

Talk to your PM. Your country has been nerve-gassed.

Why do you worry about targets? Who cares about the targets when so much collateral damage could be possible.

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:00 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Clearly, this was not an act of war as the targets were Russians.

Talk to your PM. Your country has been nerve-gassed.

Why do you worry about targets? Who cares about the targets when so much collateral damage could be possible.

Two people were nerve gassed. Brits weren't the target, Russians who were perceived to have betrayed Russia were.

by Tommy Monk Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:52 pm

I think this may well have been done by others to try to get Russia to be blamed... reason might be twofold... first to try to gain support against Russia/Assad in Syria... second to try to seize Russians money/assets here in UK and elsewhere...

by veya_victaous Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:52 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Clearly, this was not an act of war as the targets were Russians.

A Russian that had calibrated with MI5 Wink

He did betray Russia by spying for Britain.

by 'Wolfie Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:06 pm

Britain might not be able to stand alone against Russia, but they are still part of Europe...

And, via NATO, Euro' allies like France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the Scandinavians and Poland, would be involved against any open aggression from Russia..

And after recent kerfuffles, the Ukraine is likely to side with NATO, too ?

by Tommy Monk Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:15 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Clearly, this was not an act of war as the targets were Russians.

A Russian that had calibrated with MI5

He did betray Russia by spying for Britain.

by Fred Moletrousers Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:28 pm

Just send a gunboat and be done with it.....

by Fred Moletrousers Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

A Russian that had calibrated with MI5

He did betray Russia by spying for Britain.

Come on, mate. Show a little Christian charity. We all fall foul of prescriptive sex.

by Original Quill Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Talk to your PM. Your country has been nerve-gassed.

Why do you worry about targets? Who cares about the targets when so much collateral damage could be possible.

Two people were nerve gassed. Brits weren't the target, Russians who were perceived to have betrayed Russia were.

You don't target with nerve gas. You target with a high powered rifle. Nerve gas has a contumacious way of going where the wind blows. Shocked

by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:26 pm

Counter terrorism police have launched an investigation into the ‘unexplained’ death of a Russian business partner of Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Putin’s arch enemy.

Nikolai Grushkov, 69, was found dead at his home in New Malden in south London on Monday evening.

Grushkov was the closest aide to Berezovsky who died in mysterious circumstances in 2013 at his home in Surrey. The death of Grushkov just eight days after the attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal, the Russian double agent who sold state secrets to MI6, will cause alarm although Scotland yard has insisted there is no evidence to suggest the two incidents are linked.

Friends of Berezovsky insist he was murdered on president Putin’s order.

The metropolitan Police said in a statement issued on Tuesday afternoon: “An investigation is underway following the death of a man in his 60s in Kingston borough.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/13/russian-businessman-close-associate-ofboris-berezovsky-found/

by Original Quill Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:28 pm

What is that? The 16th assassination on British soil by the Russians in the past year?

by magica Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:49 pm

War is not inevitable. Two Russians poisoned, not poisoning British.

We went to war once over the ArchDuke Ferdinand who was murdered. Millions died. For what, some man no one heard of here. Do we want this again, course not. We wouldn't stand a chance now.

by Original Quill Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:25 pm

magica wrote:War is not inevitable. Two Russians poisoned, not poisoning British.

We went to war once over the ArchDuke Ferdinand who was murdered. Millions died. For what, some man no one heard of here. Do we want this again, course not. We wouldn't stand a chance now.

Talk to the French. They are good at tucking tail and scooting. Imagine not being a nation of laws inside your own borders.

PS: Here's the mighty British Navy, reflected in aircraft carriers (the only capital ships these days): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_Royal_Navy

They've been turning the British Navy into flower pots. Better wake up, Brits! If you think pussy-grabber is going to send an aircraft carrier task force to help you, ask Angela Merkel.

by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:32 pm

Original Quill wrote:
magica wrote:War is not inevitable. Two Russians poisoned, not poisoning British.

We went to war once over the ArchDuke Ferdinand who was murdered. Millions died. For what, some man no one heard of here. Do we want this again, course not. We wouldn't stand a chance now.

Talk to the French. They are good at tucking tail and scooting. Imagine not being a nation of laws inside your own borders.

PS: Here's the mighty British Navy, reflected in aircraft carriers (the only capital ships these days): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_Royal_Navy They've been turning the British Navy into flower pots. Better wake up, Brits!

How about you look at this properly eh chap?

Nato verses Russia

What you neglet is the fact is that Russia is at odds with most European Nations

Even the European nations alone outnumber the Russians

So the Brits do not need to wake up, as how do you think Russia isolated could continue a long drawn out conflict?

You see you are making the same dumb mistakes Hitler did in WW2

For Russia to win, it would need to knock out a multitude of armed forces in multiple nations all at once.

It does not have the capabilities to do this

This is why you are so utterly dumb on such a topic

Russia could never hope to fight a war on multiple fronts and why its blagging about a new missle. Its only real defense as a deterrant

by Original Quill Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:37 pm

Didge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Talk to the French. They are good at tucking tail and scooting. Imagine not being a nation of laws inside your own borders.

PS: Here's the mighty British Navy, reflected in aircraft carriers (the only capital ships these days): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_Royal_Navy They've been turning the British Navy into flower pots. Better wake up, Brits!

How about you look at this properly eh chap?

Nato verses Russia

What you neglet is the fact is that Russia is at odds with most European Nations

Even the European nations alone outnumber the Russians

So the Brits do not need to wake up, as how do you think Russia isolated could continue a long drawn out conflict?

You see you are making the same dumb mistakes Hitler did in WW2

For Russia to win, it would need to knock out a multitude of armed forces in multiple nations all at once.

It does not have the capabilities to do this

This is why you are so utterly dumb on such a topic

Russia could never hope to fight a war on multiple fronts and why its blagging about a new missle. Its only real defense as a deterrant

Two words: Ukraine and Syria. Who is next?

by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:41 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

How about you look at this properly eh chap?

Nato verses Russia

What you neglet is the fact is that Russia is at odds with most European Nations

Even the European nations alone outnumber the Russians

So the Brits do not need to wake up, as how do you think Russia isolated could continue a long drawn out conflict?

You see you are making the same dumb mistakes Hitler did in WW2

For Russia to win, it would need to knock out a multitude of armed forces in multiple nations all at once.

It does not have the capabilities to do this

This is why you are so utterly dumb on such a topic

Russia could never hope to fight a war on multiple fronts and why its blagging about a new missle. Its only real defense as a deterrant

Two words: Ukraine and Syria. Who is next?

Once word, Israel not taking any shit from anyone

You think Israel will stand by whilst Iran builds up in Syria

We saw before Hitler did the same in Europe and the west stood by. Its doing the same now, too afraid of a war. Though at some point Putin will push things too far. He is simple trying bullying tactics Hitler did. It will only work so far. Hence your ignorance of history

by Tommy Monk Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:32 pm

2+2 =5

by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

2+2 =5

Indeed, like your ability to side with Russia, when it stands by Syria known to commit chemical attacks on civillians.

Now your belief is they are Islamlists who assad has used chemical weapons on.

Or that Islamlists have also used them

That is you saying 2+2 = -1,000,000

Or in reality 9 million displaced

Or in reality Europea flooded with millions of refugees

by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:44 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

2+2 =5

Indeed, like your ability to side with Russia, when it stands by Syria known to commit chemical attacks on civillians.

Now your belief is they are Islamlists who assad has used chemical weapons on.

Or that Islamlists have also used them

That is you saying 2+2 = -1,000,000

Or in reality 9 million displaced

Or in reality Europea flooded with millions of refugees

Have you asked yourself Tommy, whether there would even be a refugee crises from Syria. If we had got involved from the start?

That we had not bowed down to Russia?

Have you thought about how western inaction, has led to this very situation.

We got involved in Iraq and Afghanistan for over a decade.

Did we see the numbers of refugees from that, which we see now with Syria?

This is why you live in a bubble. You moan about the uncontrolled migration of people and fail to understand. That by doing nothing, creates a situation that sees a flood of people fleeing into the west.

Hence why you always tackle the root cause of that problem. Where in this case, you get involved in Syria. We got involved way too late and now are bowing down to Russia who backs a mass murderer in Assad. Its how we failed to get involved with the uprsing that happened during the first Iraq War. Which if we had. We would have never seen the sectarian violence on the scale we did, after Saddam fell. The Middle East saw the west as saviours of Kuwait and would have done with Iraq also.

You want to end that refugee crises, then call for the west to intervene with armed forces and oust Assad and other dictators

Make there be a safe place for people to live, that they do not need to flee from. Where 9 million people already have. That dwarfs any displacement that happen throughout the entire Iraq conflict.

by Tommy Monk Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:57 pm

Stop talking bollocks!

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:05 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Stop talking bollocks!

I think I just ensured, you ended up with your own bollocks in your own mouth Tommy

Now either address my points, or run along and play with your Waffen SS actionman

by Tommy Monk Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:29 am

Your 'points' are lies and waffle...!

Stop talking bollocks!!!

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:33 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Your 'points' are lies and waffle...!

Stop talking bollocks!!!

So 9 million people displaced through the Syrian war is a lie Tommy?

When we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, where was the refugee crises, that we see today?

Now I have made many points and making you look like a right muppet

Are you actually going to answer them, or admit you are the homosexual offspring of the Cambridge 5?

Laughing

by Tommy Monk Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:41 am

You can say '9 million people displaced through the Syrian war' as much as you like... it doesn't make anything else you posted, true...!

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:42 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

You can say '9 million people displaced through the Syrian war' as much as you like... it doesn't make anything else you posted, true...!

9 million have been displaced

Do you understand what displaced means?

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:46 am

For the Russian lover Tommy

http://www.unhcr.org/uk/syria-emergency.html

by Ben Reilly Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:54 am

Did the assassin take care to spare any civilians?

The March 4 nerve agent attack on Sergei V. Skripal, once an informant for Britain’s foreign intelligence service, and his daughter, Yulia, exposed untold numbers of bystanders to risk around public spaces in the city of Salisbury. Traces of the poison have been found at a pub and a pizza parlor visited by the Skripals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html
'
Oh no! Russia did not give one single fuck about any British people getting sick/killed as long as it got revenge for Putin.

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:57 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Did the assassin take care to spare any civilians?

The March 4 nerve agent attack on Sergei V. Skripal, once an informant for Britain’s foreign intelligence service, and his daughter, Yulia, exposed untold numbers of bystanders to risk around public spaces in the city of Salisbury. Traces of the poison have been found at a pub and a pizza parlor visited by the Skripals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html
'
Oh no! Russia did not give one single fuck about any British people getting sick/killed as long as it got revenge for Putin.

Indeed, and we are back to people like Tommy being like Neville Chamberlain when it came to the transgressions of Hitler

Either the world stands up to Putin soon, or he will himself instigate war and this is what people do not even see.
Putin is like Hitler and is trying to see how far he can push the west

by Ben Reilly Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:05 am

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Did the assassin take care to spare any civilians?

The March 4 nerve agent attack on Sergei V. Skripal, once an informant for Britain’s foreign intelligence service, and his daughter, Yulia, exposed untold numbers of bystanders to risk around public spaces in the city of Salisbury. Traces of the poison have been found at a pub and a pizza parlor visited by the Skripals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html
'
Oh no! Russia did not give one single fuck about any British people getting sick/killed as long as it got revenge for Putin.

Indeed, and we are back to people like Tommy being like Neville Chamberlain when it came to the transgressions of Hitler

Either the world stands up to Putin soon, or he will himself instigate war and this is what people do not even see.
Putin is like Hitler and is trying to see how far he can push the west

I think you are 100 percent correct, and voters should not trust any politician, from any party, who aligns with Putin.

Here's some good reading if you want to scare yourself -- https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/russia-resurrecting-ivan-the-terrible-eurasianism-by-dina-khapaeva-2017-12

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:12 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

Indeed, and we are back to people like Tommy being like Neville Chamberlain when it came to the transgressions of Hitler

Either the world stands up to Putin soon, or he will himself instigate war and this is what people do not even see.
Putin is like Hitler and is trying to see how far he can push the west

I think you are 100 percent correct, and voters should not trust any politician, from any party, who aligns with Putin.

Here's some good reading if you want to scare yourself -- https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/russia-resurrecting-ivan-the-terrible-eurasianism-by-dina-khapaeva-2017-12

Thanks, will have a read

I think some on the right align with. As they see Putin as anti-homosexual, anti-left, anti-Islam etc. Failing to see he is no better than most previous Totalitarian dictators. Most oppsition, is suppressed and clueless right wingers fall for this. To me, Putin is a bigger threat than Iran and North Korea. Mainly as he is not afraid to push buttons. Just as Hitler did, when Hitler occupied the Rhineland, Austria and Sudetenland. He got involved in Spain, in their civil war. We see the same now with Putin, involved in Syria and annexing lands like Crimea.

The world is seriously not even waking uo to this. He is a narcassist and thinks he can do as he pleases.
The recent events in the UK is not enough to get the west into action. At some point though, Putin will ffuck up Ben. He is playing a big bluff game and so far winning.

by Original Quill Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:35 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Did the assassin take care to spare any civilians?

The March 4 nerve agent attack on Sergei V. Skripal, once an informant for Britain’s foreign intelligence service, and his daughter, Yulia, exposed untold numbers of bystanders to risk around public spaces in the city of Salisbury. Traces of the poison have been found at a pub and a pizza parlor visited by the Skripals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html
'
Oh no! Russia did not give one single fuck about any British people getting sick/killed as long as it got revenge for Putin.

Thank you for putting it more succinctly than I did. I'm so angry about this that I'm unable to think straight. First, the attack itself. Then the betrayal of the American president, who took 7-days just to mention it (today). But what gets me are the Brits who are shrugging it off.

This is Putin, folks, making a renewed move on the west. And little Europe huddles together like shivering lambs, hoping the US will come be the big, strong shepherd. He ain't there folks. Putin has checkmated him. It's part of the plan. Putin has something on Trump, and it's bigger than western Europe.

Israel? They suck on our hind tit for sustenance. As soon as Israel comes face-to-face with Russia, it will be slapped down to the ground. And there will be Trump: tsk-tsk, I would'a helped, but I was busy with tax-cuts for the rich.

Get your act together Brits, cause we won't be there for some seven years unless we can impeach the cock-sucker.

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:50 am

Israel you say?

This is the nation, that said fuck you to the world when facing a threat from Syria under Assad. When it knew North Korea was helping them to build a Nuke plant facility and build a nuke bomb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

The world condemened Israel and also the world sighed a big relief at the same time

This is Israel, that when Saddam was in power. Conducted a highly risked raid and destroyed its capability of building a nuke weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

The world and even more Iran heaved a sigh of relief. Even though they publically condemned israel.

You think Israel would bow down to threats from Russia, after facing decades of threats of its very existance from being outnumbered on all sides by Arab neighbours? A nation, who has had to fight for its very existance to be as Jewish?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about Quill, because, as seen, When Israel faces a threat, nobody will stop them neutralizing that threat to its very own existance.

So you think, they would think twice about hitting Putin?
If it served their needs to survive, they would, without a question.

This is why I do not even give you the time of day on world politics. As you have no comprehension of a nation. Israel, where by every day, it lives as if, it could be their last, when it has many arab nations hate them. All around them.

Now, though, things are changing.
Now Saudi, is looking to Israel, to counter Iran, because israel, will never hold back, when it comes to protecting its people.
This is why you have no idea what you are talking about.
As seen, even the US never stopped Israel taking out two major threats to them.

Hence i suggest the schools you go to, may want to invest in the history of the jewish people. As clearly its something you lack in.

by Original Quill Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:58 am

Didge wrote:Israel you say?

This is the nation, that said fuck you to the world when facing a threat from Syria under Assad. When it knew North Korea was helping them to build a Nuke plant facility and build a nuke bomb

Didge, Israel has been kissing our ass for cash for decades. It's hard to believe they are the saviors of the world when we look between our balls and see their lips puckered up for another round.

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:08 am

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:Israel you say?

This is the nation, that said fuck you to the world when facing a threat from Syria under Assad. When it knew North Korea was helping them to build a Nuke plant facility and build a nuke bomb

Didge, Israel has been kissing our ass for cash for decades. It's hard to believe they are the saviors of the world when we look between our balls and see their lips puckered up for another round.

And kicked the arse of every single threat against it.

This is what you do not undertand about the Jews.

Extremist Muslims, give their lives willingly, based on a view of hate, around transgression and martyrdom.

Jews have throughout history, constantly suffered and been oppressed and why they will always fight for their very right to exist.

They are like a cornered wounded tiger.

Deadly

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:05 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Two people were nerve gassed. Brits weren't the target, Russians who were perceived to have betrayed Russia were.

You don't target with nerve gas. You target with a high powered rifle. Nerve gas has a contumacious way of going where the wind blows.

I thought they didn't know how it was administered. Have they actually said it was a gas?

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:07 am

Original Quill wrote:
magica wrote:War is not inevitable. Two Russians poisoned, not poisoning British.

We went to war once over the ArchDuke Ferdinand who was murdered. Millions died. For what, some man no one heard of here. Do we want this again, course not. We wouldn't stand a chance now.

Talk to the French. They are good at tucking tail and scooting. Imagine not being a nation of laws inside your own borders.

PS: Here's the mighty British Navy, reflected in aircraft carriers (the only capital ships these days): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_Royal_Navy

They've been turning the British Navy into flower pots. Better wake up, Brits! If you think pussy-grabber is going to send an aircraft carrier task force to help you, ask Angela Merkel.

Are you referring to the invasion of Iraq? I thought you would have approved of the French not getting involved with that.

by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:12 am

Original Quill wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Did the assassin take care to spare any civilians?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html
'
Oh no! Russia did not give one single fuck about any British people getting sick/killed as long as it got revenge for Putin.

Thank you for putting it more succinctly than I did. I'm so angry about this that I'm unable to think straight. First, the attack itself. Then the betrayal of the American president, who took 7-days just to mention it (today). But what gets me are the Brits who are shrugging it off.

This is Putin, folks, making a renewed move on the west. And little Europe huddles together like shivering lambs, hoping the US will come be the big, strong shepherd. He ain't there folks. Putin has checkmated him. It's part of the plan. Putin has something on Trump, and it's bigger than western Europe.

Israel? They suck on our hind tit for sustenance. As soon as Israel comes face-to-face with Russia, it will be slapped down to the ground. And there will be Trump: tsk-tsk, I would'a helped, but I was busy with tax-cuts for the rich.

Get your act together Brits, cause we won't be there for some seven years unless we can impeach the cock-sucker.

What do you want the Brits to do? Nuke Russia maybe?

It's not a "move on the west", it's an attack on a Russian who apparently betrayed Russia. If he'd been in any other country they would have poisoned him there. It's nothing to do with the US either, so don't drag them into it.

by magica Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:13 am

I think it could all be hot air. Push push to see who caves in first, Putin or Mays government.

Putin is a bully, he wants to be top dog in every country in Europe, maybe the world. He is like Hitler, power crazy.

Millions died in that war too, we don't need another world war. It would kill billions with nukes, bombs etc.

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:33 am

Jeremy Corbyn said Vladimir Putin’s illegal incursion into Ukraine which saw the annexation of Crimea was “not unprovoked” and that there were “huge questions”over Western intentions in the country. In a 2014 article for the Morning Star at the height of the Ukraine War Corbyn wrote:

“On Ukraine, I would not condone Russian behaviour or expansion. But it is not unprovoked, and the right of people to seek a federal structure or independence should not be denied. And there are huge questions around the West’s intentions in Ukraine.”

At the same time Corbyn was making excuses for Putin’s actions his top spinner Seumas Milne was loudly defending the Kremlin. Milne, who has described Putin as “a centrist”, called the annexation of Crimea “clearly defensive”:

“Putin’s absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU”

Don’t count on Corbyn backing the tough line against the Putin regime likely to be announced later today…

https://order-order.com/2018/03/14/corbyn-putins-expansion-into-ukraine-not-unprovoked/

by Tommy Monk Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:21 pm

I have yet to see any evidence that shows anything...

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I have yet to see any evidence that shows anything...

Just Putin stating he will take out all these people and them dying in numbers.

No Tommy, no evidence at all eh?

Well the evidence is going to be tested independently by the ORGANISATION FOR THE
PROHIBITION OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS

https://www.opcw.org/about-opcw/technical-secretariat/

Is that good enough for you?

by Tommy Monk Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:58 pm

So no evidence then...!

by Guest Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:10 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So no evidence then...!

Loads of evidence

My Prime Minister made a statement yesterday evening to the United Kingdom’s Parliament. She said our analysis had confirmed that the substance used was a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia, part of a group of agents known as ‘Novichok’ agents. My Prime Minister set out the United Kingdom’s conclusion that it is highly likely that Russia was responsible for this attack.
This conclusion is based on a number of strands of evidence, including:

the positive identification of the chemical agent by experts at the United Kingdom’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down
our knowledge that Russia has previously produced this agent and would still be capable of doing so
Russia’s record of conducting state-sponsored assassinations; and
our assessment that Russia views at least some defectors as legitimate targets for assassination

by Tommy Monk Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:34 pm

Not evidence...!

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