Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week

by Guest Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:09 am

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Trump may order US embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem Wednesday

That would give Israel's claim to the entire city de facto US recognition

Israel claims all of Jerusalem as its capital; Palestinians also claim it as theirs

At present the world does not officially recognize Israel's claim to East Jerusalem

It took that section of the city after a war with a group of Arab states in 1965

US presidents have kept the embassy in Tel Aviv to avoid recognizing the claim

Recognition will infuriate the Arabs, and undo attempts to broker peace

But the final decision has not yet been made, officials have claimed

Donald Trump is likely to announce next week that the United States recognizes Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv, as Israel's capital, a senior official has said - potentially causing chaos in the Middle East.

Trump may make the declaration on Wednesday, the senior member of the administration told Reuters.

If he does, it will deal a serious blow to the Middle East peace protest.

Jerusalem - which contains sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian faiths - is claimed as the capital of both the state of Israel and a proposed Palestinian state.

The international community doesn't recognize the Palestinian claim and does not recognize Israel's claim to section sections of the city that it annexed from Palestine following the 1967 Middle East War.

But in 1995, a law was passed declaring that the US embassy be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Every president since then has signed a waver every six months to put off that transfer, in the hope of not further widening the rifts that exist in the region.

Instead, they have said, Jerusalem's status must be decided only in negotiations.

Trump pledged on the presidential campaign trail last year that he would move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

But in June he waived the requirement, saying he wanted to 'maximize the chances' for a new US-led push for what he has called the 'ultimate deal' of Israeli-Palestinian peace.

Those efforts have made little, if any, progress so far and many experts are skeptical of the prospects for success.

Now, the possibility that Trump may take this chance to bestow US recognition on Israel's claim has upset many Arab leaders in the surrounding region.

It could also unravel the US administration's fledgling diplomatic effort, led by Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner, to restart long-stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and enlist the support of the US's Arab allies.

Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said America's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital would 'destroy the peace process' and 'destabilize the region.'

And while visiting Washington this week, Jordan's King Abdullah warned lawmakers that moving the embassy could be 'exploited by terrorists to stoke anger, frustration and desperation,' according to the Jordanian state news agency Petra.

Such a move, however, could help satisfy the pro-Israel, right-wing base - particularly evangelical Christians - that helped Trump win the presidency. It would also please the Israeli government, a close US ally.

And some of Trump's top aides have privately pushed for him to keep his campaign promise for that reason

The senior US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said details were still being finalized and could still change.

Another American official also said Trump appeared to be heading toward recognizing Israel's claim to Jerusalem but that it was not a done deal.

We've nothing to announce,' said a spokesperson with the White House National Security Council.

Trump is reportedly weighing in personally in the intense internal deliberations, a White House aide said.

Despite the short-term gains to be had for him, he may still stick with the established program and sign a waiver keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv for another six months.

But seeking to temper his supporters' concerns, another option under consideration is for him to order his aides to develop a longer-term plan for the embassy's relocation, to make clear his intent to do so eventually, the officials said.

It was unclear, however, whether any public recognition by Trump of Israel's claim on Jerusalem would be formally enshrined in a presidential action or be more of a symbolic statement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5137481/Trump-likely-recognize-Jerusalem-Israels-capital-week-official.html

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:07 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

No not perpetual war.

The world simnple has to say enough is enough and stop pandering and bowing dow to the violence of Muslims

Not likely. There's 1.6-billion of them. And they think they are right.

Didge wrote:Well Israel does not care if attacked again, they will simple destroy the military capabilities of those attackers.

Like I have said already. Israel needs to do what the allies did to Germany

Nazi Germany like the Palestinians reffused to accept the right of self determination of people and payed the consequences

You keep thinking in conventional war terms, when we are in the era of asymmetrical war. The European style of a single, confrontational mêlée is no more. Islam has neither a country to lose, nor does it have a military to be defeated. The analogy to Germany or Japan, or any other political entity, is inapt. They are just 1.6-billion individuals with the same ideology.

Islam is an idea. Ideas don't die unless the mind is changed. That's where diplomacy comes in. Ideas won't be changed if doors are closed.

Perpetual war.

Israel shelters behind its walls, they do not send their soldiers to invade and capture ground, indeed the Israeli military is the IDF, Israeli DEFENCE Force.

If those 1.6-billion Muslims want to destroy Israel it will be the Muslims who will have to engage in European style war to lay siege to Israel if they want to crush Israel.

Its been tried and found to be inadequate.

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:09 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:Again, all that is needed, is for the world to stop pandering to a child constantly having a tantrum not getting its way.

It's not a question of adjectives. It's simply an issue of power.

Half the world is Islam. They are not going to agree with you that they are children throwing tantrums. So, the mission you describe is futile.

Perpetual war.

Which do you think had a greater impact??

The formation of a Jewish state in the heart of Islamic territory

Or

The recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital??

by Original Quill Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:14 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The point isn't to expect a proportionate response. The point is that with 1.6 in population around the world, you are guaranteed an endless supply of soldiers.

When one's enemy closes avenues of peace and throws fuel on the bonfire of war, the Muslims are assured they will have hoplites to do fill in.

Someone's been watching to many Hollywood films.

1.6-billion Muslims haven't just sprung up out of the ground to suddenly start waging war.

They have been around waging war on Israel since 1948.

Actually, they've been going at it since 1048 AD.

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:17 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Someone's been watching to many Hollywood films.

1.6-billion Muslims haven't just sprung up out of the ground to suddenly start waging war.

They have been around waging war on Israel since 1948.

Actually, they've been going at it since 1048 AD.

Incorrect, way before then.

How do you think North Africa, Spain, Sicily etc and major parts of the Byzantine and Sassanid empires were conquered?

Ever heard of "The Battle of Tours"?

What happened there?

That was in 732 AD

How about the siege of Jerusalem?

636-637 AD

by Original Quill Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:23 pm

Didge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Actually, they've been going at it since 1048 AD.

Incorrect, way before then.

How do you think North Africa and major parts of the Byzantine and Sassanid empires were conquered?

Ever heard of "The Battle of Tours"?

What happened there?

That was in 732 AD

That's a long time.

Let's not get sidetracked on exemplary issues. America has abandoned the last option for peace.

Perpetual war.

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:27 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

Incorrect, way before then.

How do you think North Africa and major parts of the Byzantine and Sassanid empires were conquered?

Ever heard of "The Battle of Tours"?

What happened there?

That was in 732 AD

That's a long time.

Let's not get sidetracked on exemplary issues. America has abandoned the last option for peace.

Perpetual war.

Actually peace could be made tomorrow.

All it takes is the Palestinian authority to actually want peace and place that above their hate of Israel.

This would then provide them with a nation state.

Golda Meir wrote:Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:42 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Someone's been watching to many Hollywood films.

1.6-billion Muslims haven't just sprung up out of the ground to suddenly start waging war.

They have been around waging war on Israel since 1948.

Actually, they've been going at it since 1048 AD.

But its only now since trump in 2017 that we will have perpetual war right??

You couldn't make this shit up

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:43 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

Incorrect, way before then.

How do you think North Africa and major parts of the Byzantine and Sassanid empires were conquered?

Ever heard of "The Battle of Tours"?

What happened there?

That was in 732 AD

That's a long time.

Let's not get sidetracked on exemplary issues. America has abandoned the last option for peace.

Perpetual war.

Facts!!!!!

Quick everyone hide

by Original Quill Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:07 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's a long time.

Let's not get sidetracked on exemplary issues. America has abandoned the last option for peace.

Perpetual war.

Facts!!!!!

Quick everyone hide

Yep, can't make it simpler than that.

by Guest Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:36 pm

Incredulously, the France 24 commentator asked their Israel correspondent: “Don’t the Israelis care that the whole world is against the Jerusalem declaration?!”

His wide-eyed expression and astonished tone were so ridiculous, I burst out laughing.

On December 6th, 2017, US Fake President J. Trump declared that the United States officially recognizes the fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and is preparing to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Most Israelis applauded President Trump for recognizing the ancient truth that Jerusalem is the heart of Zion, the capital of Israel. In my house we also cheered.

Like the Balfour Declaration 100 years ago, the statement Trump made does not grant the Jewish people right to what was always ours–it reaffirms the international understanding of the historic bond between the Nation of Israel and Jerusalem and the natural right of the Jewish people for self-determination in our ancestral homeland.

This statement sets the standard for all other nations on earth. It is up to each of them to choose sides. Either they recognize historical truth, current reality and assist in preparing for a peaceful future or they continue to prop up genocidal delusions based on the lies of Jew-hatred.

It really is that simple.

Those who object to Jerusalem being recognized as the capital of Israel do so because they actually have a problem with Jewish sovereignty anywhere in Israel.

Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish people, the heart of Zion for 3000 years, not just the last 70.

The bond between the Nation of Israel and Jerusalem is unbreakable. It cannot be changed by any external force. This is the oldest love story ever documented. All others are fleeting.

Hamas / Fatah declared that, should Trump recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the gates of hell would open up. So far, we’ve seen some temper tantrums but, as far as I know, the gates of hell remain safely shut.

Personally, I am glad the current President of the United States does not change his policy according to the threats of terrorists.

After Trump’s declaration, Hamas / Fatah announced three days of rage. The thing is that they are so often enraged, it’s rather difficult to determine how these days differ from all other days.

It was no big surprise to see so many nations of the world rush to denounce America’s policy and declare that Trump’s statement would destabilize the Middle East and threaten the non-existent peace process. How dare the United States recognize Jewish right to determine where the capital of their own country is?! What a reckless thing to do!

That’s why I had to laugh at the commentator. “Don’t Israelis care that the whole world is against the Jerusalem declaration?!”

No. Absolutely not. Why should we?

If we lived according to the attitude the “whole world” has towards Jews and Israel in particular, we would have done them a favor and drowned ourselves in the sea long ago.

A different people might give up but we’re stubborn. That’s the thing our enemies don’t seem to be able to comprehend. Terrorism makes us stronger. Attack us and we unify and THAT is when miracles happen.

The day after Trump’s declaration a man yelling “Allahu akbar” attacked a Jewish restaurant, smashing the windows with a hammer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5155695/Man-Palestine-flag-attacks-Jewish-venue-Amsterdam.html#v-2745726676810614929

The owner’s response was: “For what Trump did, he [the terrorist] can comes smash windows 10 more times.” When asked if he was afraid of further attacks, he laughed and said: “I grew up in neighborhood D in Be’ersheva [known for being a tough neighborhood]. I’m not afraid of anything. Jerusalem is our capital and that’s that.”

Hearing this, I laughed. This is what “Jerusalem, above all joys” means. Priorities.

When telling this story to American Jewish friends, I was startled by the difference in their reaction. I realize now that living in Israel has changed me.

There is a centuries old guideline for Jews living in the diaspora that basically means: “Don’t annoy the non-Jews.” The idea is to not stand out too much, to obey the laws of the land, be loyal to that country so that the non-Jews won’t decide to turn on their Jewish neighbors and slaughter them. Often this policy served Jews well. In other cases, Jews were slaughtered anyway. This is a policy for a people living at the mercy of others, a people with no one to turn to for protection, a people with no state in which they can claim sanctuary.

Israeli Jews are different.

The diaspora mentality is deeply ingrained and difficult to shake but life in Israel is enough to change most Jews. While we don’t enjoy being under attack, being denounced by the nations of the world, having to fight just to live another day but our stubbornness is stronger than the fear tactics of our enemies.

Israelis have a spirit of wild defiance that is incomprehensible to our enemies (and sadly also to many of our brothers and sisters still living in the diaspora). This is the defiance of freedom, of a people free to determine our own destiny.

The idea that Israelis would cringe at the disapproval of other nations is laughable. The idea that Israelis will be swayed by terrorism is just as ridiculous.

The consistent condemnation of Jews exercising sovereign rights in our ancestral homeland is proof enough of the desire that Jews simply disappear. Trump’s declaration did not “spark” Arab rage, it is the return of Jews to Zion and the miracle of the re-birth of Israel that caused their rage.

Admittedly, terrorism can be an effective tactic to drive colonialists out of occupied land. It doesn’t work when applied to people living in the only home they have. That’s why terrorism makes us stronger – being attacked for “occupying” our own home proves how imperative it is to defend ourselves and protect the land of Israel for the future of the Nation of Israel.

The nations of the world can shake their heads in disapproval. Fatah and Hamas can rage all they want.

I laugh at their rage. Israel has given me that power.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2017/12/i-laugh-at-their-rage-over-jerusalem.html

by Original Quill Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:09 am

Perpetual war.

by Guest Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:44 pm

Protester in a wheelchair is shot dead by Israeli troops

Ibrahim Abu Thurayeh, 29, was taken to al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City after being shot by troops but was later pronounced dead

Israeli troops shot dead a wheelchair-bound man with no legs in Gaza today as three other Palestinians were killed during protests, medical officials said.

Another 150 were hurt as protests over US Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital enter their second week.

Disabled Ibrahim Abu Thurayeh, 29, was taken to al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City after being shot by troops but was later pronounced dead.

Abu Thurayeh, who had previously lost both his legs, was shot along the border east of Gaza City in the north of the Palestinian enclave, the Palestinian health ministry said.

It came shortly after another man nearby was killed in similar circumstances, they added.

Local media reported that Thurayeh lost his legs during the 2014 Gaza war with Israel, but this has not yet been confirmed.

Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Kidra said the two Palestinians in Gaza City were killed from gunshots to the head.

The man in the wheelchair had taken part in several border skirmishes recently, images on social media show him carrying a Palestinian flag

Most of the casualties today were on the Gaza Strip border, where thousands of Palestinians gathered to hurl rocks at Israeli soldiers beyond the fortified fence.

In the occupied West Bank, another territory where Palestinians seek statehood along with adjacent East Jerusalem, medics said one protester was killed and five wounded by Israeli gunfire.

One was a man who Israeli police troopers said was shot after he stabbed and moderately wounded a member of their unit.

Reuters witnesses said the Palestinian had a knife and wore what looked like a bomb belt. A Palestinian medic said the belt was fake.

Another Palestinian also died from wounds sustained in clashes near Jerusalem, the health ministry said.

Today's deaths increase the number of Palestinians killed since Trump's declaration to eight.

Palestinians - and the wider Arab and Muslim world - were incensed at Trump's December 6 announcement, which reversed decades of US policy reticence on Jerusalem, a city where both Israel and the Palestinians want sovereignty.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5183539/Palestinian-suicide-belt-shot-knifing-soldier.html

lol!

good shooting boys , i love a dead terrorist

by Original Quill Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:10 pm

Perpetual war.

by Guest Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:Perpetual war.

a price i am happy to make the Palestinians pay

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:23 am

by Fuzzy Zack Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:32 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It's not a question of adjectives. It's simply an issue of power.

Half the world is Islam. They are not going to agree with you that they are children throwing tantrums. So, the mission you describe is futile.

Perpetual war.

Which do you think had a greater impact??

The formation of a Jewish state in the heart of Islamic territory

Or

The recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital??

Trump’s (Kushner) declaration will make no difference.

by Original Quill Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:31 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Perpetual war.

a price i am happy to make the Palestinians pay

Palestinians? Those are local police actions.

I'm talking about the perpetual war with Islam. Islam is 1.6-billion strong.

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:55 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

a price i am happy to make the Palestinians pay

Palestinians? Those are local police actions.

I'm talking about the perpetual war with Islam. Islam is 1.6-billion strong.

by Original Quill Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Nice thing about a phalanx...there's always another to step in. 1.6-billion of them.

Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week - Page 3 Phalanx

Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week - Page 3 Phalanx

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:04 pm

The Romans decimated the Phalanx, as it was not very manoeuvrable, as a formation.

Its weakness, was its flanks

by Original Quill Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:08 pm

Didge wrote:The Romans decimated the Phalanx, as it was not very manoeuvrable, as a formation.

Its weakness, was its flanks

Yes, that is why it's making a resurrgence. There are no flanks when it's everywhere.

Still thinking conventional war, are we? Wink

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:10 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:The Romans decimated the Phalanx, as it was not very manoeuvrable, as a formation.

Its weakness, was its flanks

Yes, that is why it's making a resurrgence. There are no flanks when it's everywhere.

Still thinking conventional war, are we?

Hardly, as who were the first and best known unconventional warriors in history?

I will give you a clue, it was during the time of the Romans.

I will give you another clue, they came from Judea

by Original Quill Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:29 pm

Didge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes, that is why it's making a resurrgence. There are no flanks when it's everywhere.

Still thinking conventional war, are we?

Hardly, as who were the first and best known unconventional warriors in history?

I will give you a clue, it was during the time of the Romans.

I will give you another clue, they came from Judea

According to Keegan (A History of Warfare), they were horsemen from the steppe:

Keegan wrote:Finally, about 1400 BC, the founders of the Shang dynasty, perhaps also originating from the Iranian steppe, arrived with their chariots in northern China and set up the first centralised state, based on a superior military technology and the institution of the walled camp.

But they had a logistical problems when venturing out...their ponies died on long campaigns. It's like a tank that runs out of gas; or Nazi Germany that builds the finest tank in the world (Mark II), but can only build 262 of them. An army is only as strong as it's supply train.

But again, a phalanx that is everywhere, has no flanks and needs no supply train. It is everywhere, already there.

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hardly, as who were the first and best known unconventional warriors in history?

I will give you a clue, it was during the time of the Romans.

I will give you another clue, they came from Judea

According to Keegan (A History of Warfare), they were horsemen from the steppe:

Keegan wrote:Finally, about 1400 BC, the founders of the Shang dynasty, perhaps also originating from the Iranian steppe, arrived with their chariots in northern China and set up the first centralised state, based on a superior military technology and the institution of the walled camp.

But they had a logistical problems when venturing out...their ponies died on long campaigns. It's like a tank that runs out of gas; or Nazi Germany that builds the finest tank in the world (Mark II), but can only build 262 of them. An army is only as strong as it's supply train.

But again, a phalanx that is everywhere, needs no supply train. It is everywhere, already there.

So your new messiah, "Keegan" is the only person to consult on warfare?

So no they were not the first unconventional warriors in history

Horsemen are conventional warriors and they also fed off the land, as many armies also did.

Try again, as we are talking about unconventional warriors

A phalanx does need a supply train.

Ever heard of the Battle of Plataea?

The Persians used a certain tactic, that forced the Greeks to attack the Persians

Showing, you have no idea, what you are talking about

by Original Quill Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:14 pm

Keegan is the best source on warfare tactics. You keep going into history. But history isn't very big on tactics, only on general trends. Lol. Didge, you are like Trump. You lack detail in your analysis.

Now, note you've changed the question. Originally, you asked who was the "first and best known":

Didge wrote:..who were the first and best known...

Then suddenly you fast forward to Thermopylae. You lack precision even in your own thinking.

Didge wrote:A phalanx does need a supply train.

But you are once again avoiding the point. A phalanx that is everywhere does not need a supply train.

What do you think Charlemagne meant when he said, "Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky"? Why do you think ISIS stresses use of vehicles as weapon, or whatever they can find around? So they don't have anything to carry. They have no logistical problem. They have no flanks.

A phalanx that is everywhere only needs communication. The Internet supplies that. You are on the brink of a thousand year war, because the phalanx is everywhere, their weapons and logistics at their feet.

Perpetual war.

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:27 pm

Original Quill wrote:Keegan is the best source on warfare tactics. You keep going into history. But history isn't very big on tactics, only on general trends. Lol. Didge, you are like Trump. You lack detail in your analysis.

Now, note you've changed the question. Originally, you asked who was the "first and best known":

Didge wrote:..who were the first and best known...

Then suddenly you fast forward to Thermopylae. You lack precision even in your own thinking.

But you are once again avoiding the point. A phalanx that is everywhere does not need a supply train.

What do you think Charlemagne meant when he said, "Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky"? Why do you think ISIS stresses use of vehicles as weapon, or whatever they can find around? So they don't have anything to carry. They have no logistical problem. They have no flanks.

A phalanx that is everywhere only needs communication. The Internet supplies that. You are on the brink of a thousand year war, because the phalanx is everywhere, their weapons and logistics at their feet.

Perpetual wa

1) Subjective, based on your own personal preference

I beg to differ. As seen, you do not even understand his view of warfare and invent your own

2) History is littered with great tactics used in warfare. The first best example being Alexander, who turned the Phalanx, into an offensive weapon. He learnt from his father Philip, who had learnt from Epaminondas. Who extended the lengh of the spears and deaph of people within a Phalanx. Where Alexander was a tactical genius though, was based on his use of Cavalry and the the offensive use of the Phalanx, his father created.

3) Eh? I never mentioned Thermopylae. I said the Battle of Plataea. Which again, based on your ignorance here, you have no idea what tactics the Persian leader Mardonius used

4) So I guess you have also never heard of the Battle of Issus and why your view that a Phalanx, did not need a supply train, is inherantly incorrect and shows you have no understanding of the strategy and tactics of Alexander?

Why was Alexander forced into this battle?

I will give you a clue, Darius, had cut of the supplies to the Hellenic army. Which forced Alexander to attack the Persians. It was a huge gamble.

I do love educating you on history here, as its clearly not what you have knowledge about

5) I think you are on the brink of needing to change your pants. Even Keegan, would be embarressed by your replies

by nicko Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:25 pm

Keep it up Didge, I love your History lessons, I know a bit about Warfare but not as much as you !

by Guest Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:04 pm

nicko wrote:Keep it up Didge, I love your History lessons, I know a bit about Warfare but not as much as you !

Thanks mate, sadly Quill will never truely understand history.

He only reads one side of it

by Guest Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:36 pm

by Original Quill Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:09 am

Where do you see the Muslim/Christian conflict going, Russ?

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:19 am

Original Quill wrote:Where do you see the Muslim/Christian conflict going, Russ?

full blown millennia long war hopefully

we will never be safer than when we finally acknowledge that Islam and Muslims want us dead.

you cannot fight or defeat an enemy if you're too scared to even name them.

by nicko Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:44 am

But how do you sort out the murdering fanatics from those who want to live in peace?

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:25 pm

nicko wrote:But how do you sort out the murdering fanatics from those who want to live in peace?

That's their problem not ours

If they wish to live in peace then they have to choose a side.

Let them segregate themselves and step away from the fanatics

by Original Quill Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:40 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Where do you see the Muslim/Christian conflict going, Russ?

full blown millennia long war...

That much I agree with. It will go on forever. And the curiosity is, It's the same god.

by Lurker Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:14 pm

Just another bone-head move by an illiterate, ignorant lousy leader.

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:35 pm

Lurker wrote:Just another bone-head move by an illiterate, ignorant lousy leader.

Doing what both Democrats and Republicans both voted for?

How is it a bone-head move to do the right thing and rightly recognise the capital of Israel?
Unless of course you bowed down to threats of violence and hate from the Muslim world. That has continued unabated since the creation of Israel.

For once trump did something right. He put tantrum Palestinians in their place and told them he is not going to continue to put up with their pathetic hateful tactics.

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:37 pm

'Palestinian" ingenuity

Let nobody accuse the 'Palestinians' of lacking ingenuity. They have given so much to the world...

Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week - Page 3 Pali_invenstions

And this doesn't include other novel acts committed before they called themselves 'Palestinians' like massacring nurses and doctors (13 April 1948, 78 killed in Hadassah hospital convoy) as well as being 14 years ahead of the Nazis in ethnic cleansing Jews from an entire town when they murdered/expelled the entire Jewish community from Hebron in 1928.
...their only regret is that it was other Islamic terrorists who came up with such wonderful inventions as the shoe bomb and the underwear bomb.

http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/palestinian-ingenuity.html

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:44 pm

Israel says 10 more countries in talks about moving embassies to Jerusalem

Honduras reportedly next in line after Guatemala announces relocation of mission; Togo, Paraguay, Romania and Slovakia also floated.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-10-more-countries-in-talks-about-moving-embassies-to-jerusalem/

Glad to see this happen. The more nations decide to move their embassies, the more it shows countries standing up to the toddler tantrums of Muslim nations.

by Original Quill Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:51 pm

When does the Trump Tower go up?

snob

by nicko Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:08 pm

I don't like Trumps "big headed" act in public, but he has done what he said he'd do if elected, and for that I applaud him !

by Original Quill Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:28 pm

nicko wrote:I don't like Trumps "big headed" act in public, but he has done what he said he'd do if elected, and for that I applaud him !

He's done exactly the opposite of what he said he would do if elected. Where's the wall? Where are the bridges? Where's the lower taxes for the middle/lower classes? Where's the replacement for the ACA? Where are the dams? Where's the jobs? Where are the highways?

How on earth has he managed to increase the deficit by $1.5-trillion and do nothing whatsoever?

by Maddog Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:16 pm

nicko wrote:I don't like Trumps "big headed" act in public, but he has done what he said he'd do if elected, and for that I applaud him !

I didn't vote for the guy, but he is checking off some promises on his list. However, many of these have been Republican ideas for quite some time , that were never going to get Obama's signature. Trump is useful in that he will sign most legislation that increases economic freedom. It's unfortunate that the guy signing some decent legislation is such a dick.

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:41 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

full blown millennia long war...

That much I agree with. It will go on forever. And the curiosity is, It's the same god.

"same god"

yeah ok quill

Rolling Eyes

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:42 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote:I don't like Trumps "big headed" act in public, but he has done what he said he'd do if elected, and for that I applaud him !

He's done exactly the opposite of what he said he would do if elected. Where's the wall? Where are the bridges? Where's the lower taxes for the middle/lower classes? Where's the replacement for the ACA? Where are the dams? Where's the jobs? Where are the highways?

How on earth has he managed to increase the deficit by $1.5-trillion and do nothing whatsoever?

im not surprised by your statements

it must be hard to see anything with your head so far up your own ass

meanwhile the rest of America are partying hard

by Maddog Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:45 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

He's done exactly the opposite of what he said he would do if elected. Where's the wall? Where are the bridges? Where's the lower taxes for the middle/lower classes? Where's the replacement for the ACA? Where are the dams? Where's the jobs? Where are the highways?

How on earth has he managed to increase the deficit by $1.5-trillion and do nothing whatsoever?

im not surprised by your statements

it must be hard to see anything with your head so far up your own ass

meanwhile the rest of America are partying hard

And he confused debt and deficit again. He doesn't know the difference and is frankly an embarrassment almost every time he posts.

by JulesV Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:41 pm

Maddog wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

im not surprised by your statements

it must be hard to see anything with your head so far up your own ass

meanwhile the rest of America are partying hard

And he confused debt and deficit again. He doesn't know the difference and is frankly an embarrassment almost every time he posts.

Quill is well liked by most people on here. There is little to be gained by going after him. I get that you don't agree with his views but that's what a forum is all about.

by JulesV Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:Where do you see the Muslim/Christian conflict going, Russ?

I suggest the new capital should be Nazareth. lol!

Maybe this forum should be renamed the Israeli Forum if that's all people are going to talk about. lol!

by Guest Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:45 pm

Jules wrote:
Maddog wrote:

And he confused debt and deficit again. He doesn't know the difference and is frankly an embarrassment almost every time he posts.

Quill is well liked by most people on here. There is little to be gained by going after him. I get that you don't agree with his views but that's what a forum is all about.

Quill must have a huge ass to be able to fit his whole head AND your nose up there

by JulesV Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:49 pm

smelly-bandit wrote: .....

Did it squeak???? What a Face

by Maddog Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:30 am

Jules wrote:
Maddog wrote:

And he confused debt and deficit again. He doesn't know the difference and is frankly an embarrassment almost every time he posts.

Quill is well liked by most people on here. There is little to be gained by going after him. I get that you don't agree with his views but that's what a forum is all about.

I am fine with his views. I am not fine with his version of the facts, which are fantasy. If you like that, you are free to accept his fantasy version of facts. And I don't give a fat rat's ass if I'm liked here, or anywhere else. Cool

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