If god is all powerful why does he allow sin?

Maine coon lover wrote:nice one HF i knew you would rip phildidge to pieces on this                    

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

They never used the Romans that part is made up lol

i suggest you read your own bullshit again before you continue digging your hole

heavenly father wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:nice one HF i knew you would rip phildidge to pieces on this                    

I would like to claim it was difficult but it really wasn't. :D 

Maine coon lover wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I would like to claim it was difficult but it really wasn't. :D 

It was worth waiting for though seeing didge digging himself deeper   

Maine coon lover wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I would like to claim it was difficult but it really wasn't. :D 

It was worth waiting for though seeing didge digging himself deeper   

PhilDidge wrote:Yes so now the debate turns to something HF has been unable to do.
Prove his point and now claim I have stated things I have not said and failed to provide where he claims I have

PMSL


Poor child , lets see if he can post his claims on me

 

 :D

heavenly father wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

It was worth waiting for though seeing didge digging himself deeper   

he was half way to australia he was digging himself so deep... :D 

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Yes so now the debate turns to something HF has been unable to do.
Prove his point and now claim I have stated things I have not said and failed to provide where he claims I have

PMSL


Poor child , lets see if he can post his claims on me

 

 :D

bullshit   :/pwn://: 

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

he was half way to australia he was digging himself so deep... :D 

I am loving you now not being able to back your claim on me



    

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


I am loving you now not being able to back your claim on me



    

give it up loser     

heavenly father wrote:

Joy Division wrote:
I can see a real war of words here with smelly and Veya!!!!

Which religion/God do each of you believe in?  

smelly has won simple as, you cannot disprove faith, you can try and poke holes in the bible, you can try and show your faith is misplaced but faith is faith and that is that...

 :D :D :D :D

 

Beekeeper wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

smelly has won simple as, you cannot disprove faith, you can try and poke holes in the bible, you can try and show your faith is misplaced but faith is faith and that is that...

 :D :D :D :D

 

  

Balderdash !!!

Smelly' hasn't "won" anything, as your mutual 'Faith' isn't some magical "Get Out of Jail Free !" card..
Smelly remains the same old perpetual Loser ! that he's always been, and always will be !

TELL US again how old the universe and the world is, then  h_f ?

The moronic "Smelly_bum" bandit apparently believes that the world is just over 6,500 years old, having been created over "six days" during a week in the northern Spring around 4,500 years B.C. ~ and that dinosaurs walked alongside humans !

Do YOU support Smelly's superstitious nonsense then, Mr. Father ?    

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

you can claim god does not exist all you want, you can do it till you're blue in the face,but you cannot PROVE he doesn't exist
I have no need to do anything, because the onus is on you to prove that one does exist, so you are asking to prove something does not exist which you cannot yourself prove does, hilarious . So you are saying to me I have to disprove the Loch ness mosnter does not exist now
 ://?roflmao?/:   

that's the gripe you have with god, you need to prove he doesn't exist in order to not believe in him,to justify your atheism
No gripe, I have no need to do anything you are the one that claims the existence without any proof  

i on the other hand do not need to prove his existence in order to believe in him - that's what we call faith
Yes but faith does not prove existence does it smelly

my faith is not reliant on proof
Yes its based on stupidity your faith, a book and that book contradicts, thus you either think the book is the word of god or not, something you avoid answering?

your disbelief IS reliant on categorical proof that god doesn't exist
Really, my disbelief is solely based on one factor, there is no evidence to show one exists

and you're fucked off because you cannot find this proof  
 

No you are completely fucked trying to shift onus onto me, where I have no need to do anything, you claim God exists based on faith, so what, that does not mean God exists, you have faith but no proof, thus if you claim to me God exists and does do through the Bible, you are fucked

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:
No you are completely fucked trying to shift onus onto me, where I have no need to do anything, you claim God exists based on faith, so what, that does not mean God exists, you have faith but no proof, thus if you claim to me God exists and does do through the Bible, you are fucked

as usual you get over excited and fail to comprehend

im not tying to shift the onus of proof onto you

im clearly saying that i do no need to prove god exists in order to believe that he does

that is why its called FAITH
Yes yes yes but your faith is based upon a contradiction sugar, because you learned this belief, because can you show you came upon this belief without outside influence?
No  

you have a big problem with this since your disbelief is based on doubt
Incorrect I have no reason to believe in an after life, why should I? You again try to twist this around that belief is a necessity when it is not, thus I do not require proof of something I do not concern myself over. So it is not based on doubt, where as you suffer this plague of doubt and will do over life, this happens to believers less so with atheists because they suffer no visions of doubt

there is no tangible proof therefore you doubt the existence of a god
Incorrect, for example, many small children believe in the Tooth Fairy; that does not make the Tooth Fairy real, there fore it is not a case of doubt but a case of something that is not proven, so I have no doubts over something not proven, doubt comes from a belief where something has evidence it is real, belief in God has no evidence  .

you lack the understanding that a deity would not be tangible it would be spiritual and ethereal and therefore the proof you require is spiritual ie FAITH
Incorrect again your spirituality comes from written works who have deemed to come from a deity, therefore this understanding of spirituality is a man made concept, I have no need to thus have reservations over something man made. For example the concept of racism is a concept of faith not science, especially in your case, being as this is an example that proves your faith in racism wrong  

since you have no faith you have no proof
I do not need proof,  the fact that a large portion of people have unyielding faith in God proves nothing. For one, that faith is spread across multiple gods, who all appear different, have different personalities, and have different philosophies. The faith is not all directed into a specific individual, and so it would not prove the existence of a single god. Secondly, people have unyielding faith in a lot of things that are not necessarily true. These things could range from simple superstition, to concepts that defy science as we know it. This shows that humans' beliefs don't always have to be grounded in any reality, whatsoever.

those of us who do have faith have all the proof WE need

smelly_bandit wrote:you appear to be agreeing with me and then disagreeing with me in the same post   

try to separate your ideas into separate concepts and post them individually

because i haven't got the faintest idea of what you're on about but what i can make out is that you're waffling

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:you appear to be agreeing with me and then disagreeing with me in the same post   

try to separate your ideas into separate concepts and post them individually

because i haven't got the faintest idea of what you're on about but what i can make out is that you're waffling

No I am very much in disagreement with you as for one thing you do not define who and what your God is, of which if you do then I can argue against this belief you have, as it maybe possible to construct empirical or logical tests to see if it the deity you believe in, exists. If you are Christian then I can disprove your beliefs

You are arguing that not all propositions are created equal. It is true that some you cannot disprove, but many can and you can do this by seeing f your beliefs have a logical contradiction.


To help you here I will ask you some propositions that I can disprove.


Do married bachelor exists?

Does a square circle exists?

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

No I am very much in disagreement with you as for one thing you do not define who and what your God is, of which if you do then I can argue against this belief you have, as it maybe possible to construct empirical or logical tests to see if it the deity you believe in, exists. If you are Christian then I can disprove your beliefs

You are arguing that not all propositions are created equal. It is true that some you cannot disprove, but many can and you can do this by seeing f your beliefs have a logical contradiction.


To help you here I will ask you some propositions that I can disprove.


Do married bachelor exists?

Does a square circle exists?

what THE fuck are you on about??

 ::smthg::  ::smthg::  ::smthg::  ::smthg:: 

you've become even more incoherent

since you're not even trying to stay on point im not that bothered with engaging in this diversion

bottom line is this

those with faith have no need for proof since their faith IS their proof and faith cannot be disproved

you cannot prove or disprove my beliefs in Christianity

only death can prove or disprove my beliefs  

heavenly father wrote:its a faith you are arguing with that is why you are not getting and cannot get anywhere didge, defining anyone's concept of God will not allow you to disprove their faith..
I think this is what smelly is trying to tell you..

you can try to prove what someone has faith in is flawed, misdirected, what ever  but faith itself cannot be disproved...

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

No I am very much in disagreement with you as for one thing you do not define who and what your God is, of which if you do then I can argue against this belief you have, as it maybe possible to construct empirical or logical tests to see if it the deity you believe in, exists. If you are Christian then I can disprove your beliefs

You are arguing that not all propositions are created equal. It is true that some you cannot disprove, but many can and you can do this by seeing f your beliefs have a logical contradiction.


To help you here I will ask you some propositions that I can disprove.


Do married bachelor exists?

Does a square circle exists?

what THE fuck are you on about??

 ::smthg::  ::smthg::  ::smthg::  ::smthg:: 

you've become even more incoherent

since you're not even trying to stay on point im not that bothered with engaging in this diversion

bottom line is this

those with faith have no need for proof since their faith IS their proof and faith cannot be disproved

you cannot prove or disprove my beliefs in Christianity

only death can prove or disprove my beliefs  

Maine coon lover wrote:and yet didge keeps coming back for more just to look even more stupid    

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:and yet didge keeps coming back for more just to look even more stupid    

Well as you have the intellect of a gerbil, I am not suprised you would not understand, so if you do not have anything to add to the debate, I suggest having a good play on the gerbil wheel, am sure you will have hours of fun

 

heavenly father wrote:Who was it who was going to disprove God through maths and science, I forget the name..lol

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Well as you have the intellect of a gerbil, I am not suprised you would not understand, so if you do not have anything to add to the debate, I suggest having a good play on the gerbil wheel, am sure you will have hours of fun

 

would that be the same wheel as your arguments go round ..lol

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

what THE fuck are you on about??

 ::smthg::  ::smthg::  ::smthg::  ::smthg:: 

you've become even more incoherent

since you're not even trying to stay on point im not that bothered with engaging in this diversion

bottom line is this

those with faith have no need for proof since their faith IS their proof and faith cannot be disproved

you cannot prove or disprove my beliefs in Christianity

only death can prove or disprove my beliefs  

Dear me, the boy runs faster than the speed of sound when his concept is challenged, as we are getting onto the faith you have based on your views or concepts, when clearly defined, can be disprove. The reality is you are unable to provide a good reason for me to accept the existence of your god, now using faith, and expect me to construct a disproof of it using your faith when you have not even constructed a view point on your faith, you have avoided this every post, knowing full well I can. So why should I even care much about your claim in the first place, when you clearly are ducking away from outlining what your faith is?

So no I can disprove your beliefs, hence why you run, so answer the question to help you understand

Do married bachelor exists?

Does a square circle exists?

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

would that be the same wheel as your arguments go round ..lol

Well if it will help your wife understand something for a change, be my guest and put them on the wheel for her to learn

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Dear me, the boy runs faster than the speed of sound when his concept is challenged, as we are getting onto the faith you have based on your views or concepts, when clearly defined, can be disprove. The reality is you are unable to provide a good reason for me to accept the existence of your god, now using faith, and expect me to construct a disproof of it using your faith when you have not even constructed a view point on your faith, you have avoided this every post, knowing full well I can. So why should I even care much about your claim in the first place, when you clearly are ducking away from outlining what your faith is?

So no I can disprove your beliefs, hence why you run, so answer the question to help you understand

Do married bachelor exists?

Does a square circle exists?

firstly  

i couldn't care two hoots if you accept the existence of god or not
Thus your views earlier are moot and irrelevant

im not a bible basher trying to convert you, if you don't believe in god then that is your choice
But I can challenge your belief in god, so why are you so afraid?  

secondly you cannot DISPROVE my faith.
Can I not? Lets see, I am happy to give it a go, but you need to define and describe what this faith is, in other words define the deity you believe in?

you're stuck in a rut where you think belief and faith are physical scientific problems that be solved using maths and science
I do not need maths or science, just logic to disprove your faith, hence why you know to not provide me with any information with your faith, hence you know I will be able to challenge your faith

no person can ever disprove the faith of another person, the best outcome you can ever hope to achieve is to present an argument explaining why YOU do not believe

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Well if it will help your wife understand something for a change, be my guest and put them on the wheel for her to learn

she understands fine try asking her who crucified Jesus, she won't say JR...lol

heavenly father wrote:can you disprove the fact I like strawberries, they are usually small, red, a little green bit on top, they taste kinda sweet, a little juicy, they always make me feel happy..

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:can you disprove the fact I like strawberries, they are usually small, red, a little green bit on top, they taste kinda sweet, a little juicy, they always make me feel happy..

It could be done by testing this, we would have to check your brain signals to see if you truly did when devouring on them, correct?
People have been known to lie saying what they do like to impress or not offend another, true?
You see you can then prove either way by testing this, it is a simple test, for more difficult areas, logic can simply disprove something that is clearly defined

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

It could be done by testing this, we would have to check your brain signals to see if you truly did when devouring on them, correct?
People have been known to lie saying what they do like to impress or not offend another, true?
You see you can then prove either way by testing this, it is a simple test, for more difficult areas, logic can simply disprove something that is clearly defined

i'm telling you i like the taste, the texture, the feeling of eating it, disprove it.

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i'm telling you i like the taste, the texture, the feeling of eating it, disprove it.

I am telling you I need to test it, either way telling me is not proof that you do, because logic dictates people do lie, thus you claim you like eating them, then I have no need to disprove and the onus is on you to prove that you do.
Either way I can test and check if you do, you chose not to allow me to test your claim.
Do you see how this works yet?

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


I am telling you I need to test it, either way telling me is not proof that you do, because logic dictates people do lie, thus you claim you like eating them, then I have no need to disprove and the onus is on you to prove that you do.
Either way I can test and check if you do, you chose not to allow me to test your claim.
Do you see how this works yet?

i can tell you personally i love strawberries, the size, the shape , the taste everything about them.. :D 
Great. can you prove you can?
No

do you see how it works you cannot test it, i actually do love them, you could test me till the cows come home, you could show me a million graphs, i do and always will like strawberries...

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i can tell you personally i love strawberries, the size, the shape , the taste everything about them.. :D 
Great. can you prove you can?
No

do you see how it works you cannot test it, i actually do love them, you could test me till the cows come home, you could show me a million graphs, i do and always will like strawberries...

I can test that you do, you will not allow me to test, the same when a person does not define something they have faith in. Because you cannot prove you like them I have no need to disprove something you will not allow me to test.
The reality is and I did say not all propositions can people disprove, do you see how this works yet?
So because I am being denied hat smelly has faith in he denies me the ability to try to disprove what he believes in.
You are asking me to have faith in what you say is true, I don't and do not need to!

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


I can test that you do, you will not allow me to test, the same when a person does not define something they have faith in. Because you cannot prove you like them I have no need to disprove something you will not allow me to test.
The reality is and I did say not all propositions can people disprove, do you see how this works yet?
So because I am being denied hat smelly has faith in he denies me the ability to try to disprove what he believes in.
You are asking me to have faith in what you say is true, I don't and do not need to!

i don't have to prove to you I like strawberries, I know i do...you can tell me strawberries are bad for me, they have no nutritional value, red is an aggressive colour, they force child labour to work to death to produce them but i like strawberries.. :D 

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

firstly  

i couldn't care two hoots if you accept the existence of god or not
Thus your views earlier are moot and irrelevant

im not a bible basher trying to convert you, if you don't believe in god then that is your choice
But I can challenge your belief in god, so why are you so afraid?  

secondly you cannot DISPROVE my faith.
Can I not? Lets see, I am happy to give it a go, but you need to define and describe what this faith is, in other words define the deity you believe in?

you're stuck in a rut where you think belief and faith are physical scientific problems that be solved using maths and science
I do not need maths or science, just logic to disprove your faith, hence why you know to not provide me with any information with your faith, hence you know I will be able to challenge your faith

no person can ever disprove the faith of another person, the best outcome you can ever hope to achieve is to present an argument explaining why YOU do not believe

Incorrect again, many things can be disproved if they are defined.

So again defined the God you have faith in?

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i can tell you personally i love strawberries, the size, the shape , the taste everything about them.. :D 
Great. can you prove you can?
No

do you see how it works you cannot test it, i actually do love them, you could test me till the cows come home, you could show me a million graphs, i do and always will like strawberries...

I can test that you do, you will not allow me to test, the same when a person does not define something they have faith in. Because you cannot prove you like them I have no need to disprove something you will not allow me to test.
The reality is and I did say not all propositions can people disprove, do you see how this works yet?
So because I am being denied hat smelly has faith in he denies me the ability to try to disprove what he believes in.
You are asking me to have faith in what you say is true, I don't and do not need to!

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Incorrect again, many things can be disproved if they are defined.

So again defined the God you have faith in?

you're NOT challenging my belief in god - that's the point you don't seem to grasp

all you're doing is effectively jumping up and down shout "god doesn't exist"

you want a defintion??

ok

my god is spiritual

disprove away  

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


I can test that you do, you will not allow me to test, the same when a person does not define something they have faith in. Because you cannot prove you like them I have no need to disprove something you will not allow me to test.
The reality is and I did say not all propositions can people disprove, do you see how this works yet?
So because I am being denied hat smelly has faith in he denies me the ability to try to disprove what he believes in.
You are asking me to have faith in what you say is true, I don't and do not need to!

what more do you want mongo

you've said you can disprove it so disprove it

no one is stopping you from doing anything, because no one knows what the hell you're talking about.

 ://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/: 

HF has given you a perfect example for your "test" he has said he likes strawberries and given you the definition as to what a strawberry is and what he likes about it  

this is what is called an analogy

if you cannot disprove that he likes strawberries then you cannot disprove his faith in god

you just got bitch slapped  ::slap:: ::sexbnan:

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

you're NOT challenging my belief in god - that's the point you don't seem to grasp

all you're doing is effectively jumping up and down shout "god doesn't exist"

you want a defintion??

ok

my god is spiritual

disprove away  

You are not allowing me to by not defining what it is you have faith in, that means you are deflecting away from being challenged in facts it shows you have little faith in your beliefs, as a person strong in faith does not cower away from that faith, they define it what their faith, because their faith is strong.
All I see is someone weak, of little faith, too afraid to define your deity, you give me spiritual, again a concept written down by men. That is not defining your deity that is giving me something you believe he is.
For example is your deity, omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent?

Spiritual says nothing or defines nothing proving to me you fear your faith being challenged by being able to explain to me your beliefs, that says to me you have little faith in your beliefs and yourself.

Stop avoiding if you have faith, a person with faith like HF is not afraid to define his beliefs, sadly you are and thus lack faith

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

what more do you want mongo

you've said you can disprove it so disprove it

no one is stopping you from doing anything, because no one knows what the hell you're talking about.

 ://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/: 

HF has given you a perfect example for your "test" he has said he likes strawberries and given you the definition as to what a strawberry is and what he likes about it  

this is what is called an analogy

if you cannot disprove that he likes strawberries then you cannot disprove his faith in god

you just got bitch slapped  ::slap:: ::sexbnan:

Still not able to grasp this are you, he claims to like something, I ask to test this, he declines, just lik you do when challenged on your faith.
You see he needs to prove to me that he does first of all and then for me to test it, he is denying this, again just like you.

As I said I want him to eat strawberries for 6 months to test his belief, as one thing I know is beliefs do change. Again I never claimed you could disprove all dispositions, but I said using logic you can with many and both of you deny me the ability to test your beliefs


I have got you weighed and measured on this my boy and you know it, may help that you understand what you plagiarize off others and clearly you do not

 :D 

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

You are not allowing me to by not defining what it is you have faith in, that means you are deflecting away from being challenged in facts it shows you have little faith in your beliefs, as a person strong in faith does not cower away from that faith, they define it what their faith, because their faith is strong.
All I see is someone weak, of little faith, too afraid to define your deity, you give me spiritual, again a concept written down by men. That is not defining your deity that is giving me something you believe he is.
For example is your deity, omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent?

Spiritual says nothing or defines nothing proving to me you fear your faith being challenged by being able to explain to me your beliefs, that says to me you have little faith in your beliefs and yourself.

Stop avoiding if you have faith, a person with faith like HF is not afraid to define his beliefs, sadly you are and thus lack faith

oh boo hoo

now im not allowing you to test

how exactly am i stopping you??

you were the one claiming you could disprove it

so disprove it

you already have all the details you need

you already know im a christian that means i believe in the christian god

disprove away

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

oh boo hoo

now im not allowing you to test

how exactly am i stopping you??

you were the one claiming you could disprove it

so disprove it

you already have all the details you need

you already know im a christian that means i believe in the christian god

disprove away

Yes i want to try to disprove your faith, but because you have little faith you cannot describe for me what you have faith in with this deity, you fail to provide an adequate description.
That means you are the one that lacks faith in yourself and your deity


So why are you so afraid to describe this deity to me?

The answer.

You have no faith in this God

Point proven