Anorexic mother-of-four is found dead in her freezing cold flat wearing a hat and scarf after 'her benefits were cut when she was too ill to attend a meeting - leaving her unable to afford the heating'

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Syl wrote:

You have as much idea as anyone else here why or how she died Tommy.
The only info the police have released is that there are no suspicious circumstances.

The fact of the matter is she died in a freezing cold house.

In a first world country.

Yet we seem to always find millions for wars.

That’s the saddest part of all this.

Tommy Monk wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

The fact of the matter is she died in a freezing cold house.

In a first world country.

Yet we seem to always find millions for wars.

That’s the saddest part of all this.

Wasn't 'freezing cold' at all... the weather for the area over the couple of days when she died was quite mild... 14 deg Celcius high and low of 12 degrees...


She died of her medical conditions...


Not because she may not have had the heating on that day...

Tommy Monk wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

The fact of the matter is she died in a freezing cold house.

In a first world country.

Yet we seem to always find millions for wars.

That’s the saddest part of all this.

Wasn't 'freezing cold' at all... the weather for the area over the couple of days when she died was quite mild... 14 deg Celcius high and low of 12 degrees...


She died of her medical conditions...


Not because she may not have had the heating on that day...

Tommy Monk wrote:

So... if she was that ill... firstly she should have been claimng ESA (sickness benefit)... secondly she would have been unfit/unable enough to be in charge of 4 children who should have been removed from her... then maybe the DSS should have paid for her to have a sauna to be built in her house for her to live in and never to come out of...!?

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Nice to see Tommy Monk completely ignoring the mental health aspects of those more seriou/severe anorexia&bulimia patients...

Much like those hard-hearted geraniums that are in charge of cutting so many health and social welfare benefits these days..

I wonder if Tommy works for one of those contracting firms  ?

nicko wrote:And so are you if you think left wing politicians are any different !

Ben Reilly wrote:

nicko wrote:And so are you if you think left wing politicians are any different !

Left wing politicians are completely opposite of that, and if you don't realize it you're a FUCKING IDIOT

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

nicko wrote:And so are you if you think left wing politicians are any different !

Left wing politicians are completely opposite of that, and if you don't realize it you're a FUCKING IDIOT

I don't think it's anything to do with right wing or left wing. The lady was not deemed ill enough to be on ESA, which is a benefit which ill or disabled people get. That is an issue which is dealt with by an assessor. I don't know why they came to that conclusion, but all we have to go on so far is what the lady's mother said, which might not necessarily be factually accurate.

Also, there are rules about keeping appointments, which are perhaps more stringent for people who are supposed to be looking for work - ie, not ill or disabled.

I'm not sure about this new universal credit thing - I'll have to look into it further. Benefits seem so complicated and I think they're trying to simplify things, but possibly failing to do so?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think it's anything to do with right wing or left wing. The lady was not deemed ill enough to be on ESA, which is a benefit which ill or disabled people get. That is an issue which is dealt with by an assessor. I don't know why they came to that conclusion, but all we have to go on so far is what the lady's mother said, which might not necessarily be factually accurate.

Also, there are rules about keeping appointments, which are perhaps more stringent for people who are supposed to be looking for work - ie, not ill or disabled.

I'm not sure about this new universal credit thing - I'll have to look into it further. Benefits seem so complicated and I think they're trying to simplify things, but possibly failing to do so?

Under whose policies was she deemed not ill enough?

It ain't rocket surgery.

nicko wrote:PS, what the fuck do know about the ins and outs of our NHS?    It's a bloody sight better than what you'v got.!

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think it's anything to do with right wing or left wing. The lady was not deemed ill enough to be on ESA, which is a benefit which ill or disabled people get. That is an issue which is dealt with by an assessor. I don't know why they came to that conclusion, but all we have to go on so far is what the lady's mother said, which might not necessarily be factually accurate.

Also, there are rules about keeping appointments, which are perhaps more stringent for people who are supposed to be looking for work - ie, not ill or disabled.

I'm not sure about this new universal credit thing - I'll have to look into it further. Benefits seem so complicated and I think they're trying to simplify things, but possibly failing to do so?

Under whose policies was she deemed not ill enough?

It ain't rocket surgery.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Under whose policies was she deemed not ill enough?

It ain't rocket surgery.

It wasn't a case of she wasn't ill enough.  It was a case of she didn't attend the interview therefore she defaulted on her benefits.  That's the way it works.   Sadly, her situation should have been assessed more efficiently but due to the amount of scroungers and benefit cheats we have in the UK,  she fell victim to the red tape.

DWP whistleblower from ESA helpline exposes ‘obscene’ system

A Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) whistleblower has described how a “mismanaged” and under-funded social security system is leaving many disability benefit claimants penniless and helpless.

George* works on DWP’s employment and support allowance (ESA) helpline and has told Disability News Service (DNS) that the experience has left him shocked and frustrated at the deeply flawed system.

And he also says he believes – although he does not have direct evidence of this – that DWP decision-makers do have targets for the proportion of claimants that they need to find “fit for work”, and so ineligible for ESA.

A colleague in another part of DWP, who works with a decision-maker, told him that this member of staff “hates his job” because he has to “disallow people” and had been “struggling to hit his disallowance targets”.

Although DNS has been unable to verify this claim, disabled activists have been warning for years that they believe DWP decision-makers, and the healthcare professionals who work for the government contractor Maximus, are set targets for the proportion of claimants they must find fit for work.

But DWP has continued to deny imposing any such targets and no-one has been able to provide strong evidence that they exist.

George says he believes such targets do exist, although he cannot prove it.

“I think decision-makers are trying to meet targets,” he says.

He believes the same reason explains why so many mandatory reconsiderations – DWP’s internal review, the first stage of the appeal process if a claimant wants to dispute a benefit eligibility decision – are unsuccessful when the success rates of appeals at tribunals are so much higher.

Meanwhile, there are many concerns that he has raised for which he has does have his own direct, troubling evidence.

The lack of resources – and the “antiquated” system – can leave desperate claimants waiting well over an hour on the telephone for their call to be put through to an adviser.

George says: “Every day you think to yourself, ‘how can this possibly be happening?’ But it is.

“It is the sheer incompetence of the system that is so worrying.”

He says the problems with the IT and telephone systems used by DWP to deal with benefit claims are getting worse.

“We were just talking about this in the office last week. We have noticed an increase in customers being shafted,” he says.

“More customers are coming through who are more angry, more irate, more aggressive, displaying what we call ‘unacceptable customer behaviour’.”

He says there is a reason for this anger and aggression.

“Some of the decisions made, the way they are made, are driving people to become more and more aggressive, more and more frustrated and angry,” he says.

He believes that many of the problems are caused by ingrained flaws in the system for dealing with the evidence that claimants need to send by post, such as doctors’ letters or reports from consultants.

The way the system should work is that this evidence is opened at one of several huge mail handling sites and then scanned into the system.

An electronic alert – a “ping” – is then sent to the relevant benefit centre to alert staff that they need to look at that piece of evidence.

But George says that this system frequently breaks down, particularly at times when a large number of “pings” have been sent to a particular benefit centre in a short space of time, which means some pieces of evidence fall through the gaps and are not looked at.

One such occasion saw an ESA application – submitted by a woman with terminal cancer who only had a few months to live – fall into what he calls a “black hole” for six months because the relevant benefit centre had not responded to the “ping”.

And he says that certain benefit centres have a reputation for incompetence, while others appear to work smoothly and efficiently and rarely cause problems for claimants.

He says he did not even know there was a benefits centre in St Helens until he was four months into his job, because he never received calls from claimants who had been dealt with by that centre and were having problems with their claims.

“Whatever they do seems to work,” he says. “But I deal with complaints from other benefit centres all the time, all the time. It’s just so frustrating.”

The worst, he says, is Clydebank, in Scotland. “It just needs deleting or subject to a massive overhaul in such a way that its shocking poor customer service is never seen again.”

He says he was not surprised to hear of a case reported last month by DNS, in which a long-term disability living allowance claimant received a mandatory reconsideration notice – turning down her appeal – before she had even received a decision notice telling her that her claim for the new personal independence payment had been rejected.

“That’s a new one, but nothing surprises me,” he says. “I’m not in any way surprised. Working here is like being a cast member in Carry On Benefits.”

Another key issue that he faces daily is when claimants ring him for help because they have not received appointment letters or ESA questionnaires and – as a result – their claim for ESA has been terminated by DWP because they failed to reply.

He says that many letters setting dates for face-to-face assessments or enclosing the questionnaires – which are supposed to be sent out by Maximus – never arrive.

He frequently hears from claimants who never received the initial letter, or a follow-up letter, but do receive a subsequent letter that tells them their claim has been terminated.

He says: “I just find it rather odd. The frustrating thing for the customer is they need to prove they didn’t receive a letter. How can you prove that? You can’t.”

Again, he cannot prove that the original letters are not being sent out by Maximus, but he says there are frequently “clusters” of cases in a particular geographical area of claimants who say their letters never arrived.

George says: “It’s a reasonable assumption that there is something going quite wrong, either with Maximus or Royal Mail.”

Asked if he believes this is a deliberate attempt, either by DWP or Maximus, to cut the caseload – and therefore spending on ESA – he says: “I don’t know, but it has crossed my mind, without a doubt.

“It’s really strange that someone wouldn’t get a letter inviting them to attend a WCA, or their ESA50, but they do get their decision notice.

“I can’t remember the last time I didn’t get my hospital appointment, birthday/Christmas cards, bank statements, etcetera.

“Yet, 1000s of people a week aren’t getting the post that means their ESA benefit can function.

“Any other institution would surely want to remove that doubt and devise a system that works better or that offers an increased level of contact for appointments or for filling in their ESA50 form. Why can’t the DWP?”

He adds: “I’m going to keep helping people but HM Government need to give me the flexibility to do that task and remove the troublesome obstructions that harm the DWP, the customers and the staff.”

George says he deals every day with cases of sick and disabled people who have been left with no money to survive on because of the flaws in the system.

DWP stopped providing community care grants and crisis loans in 2013, transferring responsibility for new local welfare assistance schemes to local authorities in England and the devolved governments in Wales and Scotland.

But research carried out soon after the changeover found that funding for the schemes had almost halved compared with 2010, while many councils were no longer able to provide interest-free emergency loans through their schemes, with many replacing cash grants with benefits such as food bank vouchers and pre-paid store cards.

Charities working in the field have not been able this week to update DNS on the current position with the funding of local welfare assistance schemes.

But George says that reduced support from these schemes, combined with the flawed system he has to deal with, means he is dealing three or four times every day with people who are left with no money as they try to resolve their situation with DWP.

“With people in certain areas, you just have to say to them: ‘There isn’t anything,’” he says.

He tries to help by providing details of local welfare advice agencies and support services, but he says he is often left in despair at the situations he has to deal with.

George says: “I joined the DWP with a totally open mind as I’d never worked for a government department before, and up to now the people I work with are some of the most dedicated I’ve ever come across but the systems they have to work with, the rules they have to work under, and the situations they are asked to deal with, are so obscene it beggars belief.

“The DWP can’t update its system, as to do so would allegedly be seen as a ‘waste of public money’, and yet it is those systems that let our customers down.”

He says the continuing roll-out of universal credit “will drive more and more people into a very deep hole” because those who previously would have received ESA will now be paid monthly rather than every two weeks.

“This is a cruel, inhumane and pointless exercise. We will have desperate people with medical conditions, with children, facing down the barrel of a penniless Christmas and not a single drop of help coming forward from HM Government.

“What am I meant to say to those people when they ring and beg for ESA to take them back? It has happened already and as universal credit continues to roll out, it will increase.”

He adds: “Text me on a random day next week and ask me for my ‘nightmare of the day’ and I bet you I can tell you something absolutely shocking.

“Friday’s nightmare was that Newport service centre had just two people processing messages, so they weren’t calling customers back… messages were being sent through to them but none were being answered.

“Caerphilly benefit centre had one person working on the messages from customers that are passed through people like me.

“Just one, it is absolutely disgusting.”

After being shown the interview with the whistleblower, a DWP spokesman said: “There’s no evidence to support these claims, which are completely unfounded.

“We’re very clear that we don’t have targets to find people fit for work, and never have.

“Each year we make hundreds of millions of payments to 18 million customers, the vast majority of which are paid correctly and without incident.

“The reality is our dedicated employees are committed to helping people get the support they need.”

He added: “The DWP has taken a positive and proactive attitude towards whistleblowing and we have mechanisms in place for our employees to report any concerns of wrongdoing without fear of reprisal.”

But George said: “I’d encourage whistleblowing and would do it without an issue if I became aware of illegal activity by DWP colleagues.

“But what I have talked about here is either an open secret or DWP policy so there is not much point in me making a report.

“I try and help the people I deal with and that’s all I can do, really.”

https://www.disabledgo.com/blog/2017/09/dwp-whistleblower-from-esa-helpline-exposes-obscene-system/#.WgsDRYhpG00

HoratioTarr wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Under whose policies was she deemed not ill enough?

It ain't rocket surgery.

It wasn't a case of she wasn't ill enough.  It was a case of she didn't attend the interview therefore she defaulted on her benefits.  That's the way it works.   Sadly, her situation should have been assessed more efficiently but due to the amount of scroungers and benefit cheats we have in the UK,  she fell victim to the red tape.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

It wasn't a case of she wasn't ill enough.  It was a case of she didn't attend the interview therefore she defaulted on her benefits.  That's the way it works.   Sadly, her situation should have been assessed more efficiently but due to the amount of scroungers and benefit cheats we have in the UK,  she fell victim to the red tape.

That's fucking bullshit, H/T;  as you well know...

Only the fascist pigs like you blame the small minority of wastrels, scroungers and bludgers for the problems over there..

When the truth is simply the same as it down here, with our scumbag conservative governments..

Governments are mishandling social welfare, and putting hard-hearted bastards in charge, for one simple reason..

To finance more tax cuts for their millionaire backers..

nicko wrote:Being as it's on this thread,    I'D like to thank Ben for proving how intolerant the left are when their views don't gel with the right !

sassy wrote:

nicko wrote:Being as it's on this thread,    I'D like to thank Ben for proving how intolerant the left are when their views don't gel with the right !

I'd be utterly ashamed if I wasn't intolerant of the suffering endured by men, women and children because of this fucking government.

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:


I'd be utterly ashamed if I wasn't intolerant of the suffering endured by men, women and children because of this fucking government.

benefits scroungers and dole scum???  

come on sassy be realistic, be fair, my road has massive potholes in it that cant be fixed because the dole scum are costing us a mint.

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

benefits scroungers and dole scum???  

come on sassy be realistic, be fair, my road has massive potholes in it that cant be fixed because the dole scum are costing us a mint.

You remind me of most two year olds who, if they can't get attention act really naughty, because even being told off is better than being ignored in their book.   So, it's going to have to be ignore for you, such a sad, pathetic, needy little man.

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:
I'd be utterly ashamed if I wasn't intolerant of the suffering endured by men, women and children because of this fucking government.

benefits scroungers and dole scum???  

come on sassy be realistic, be fair, my road has massive potholes in it that cant be fixed because the dole scum are costing us a mint.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:
benefits scroungers and dole scum???  

come on sassy be realistic, be fair, my road has massive potholes in it that cant be fixed because the dole scum are costing us a mint.

If you actually had a real world productive and worthwhile job,  Comrade SmellyCrash&Burnski,  people might take more notice of your usual drivelling nonsense...

As it is, how could you possibly survive down there in your dear ol' mum's council house basement,  if it wasn't for your fortnightly "dole scum" payments..

Jules wrote:Anorexics get very weak and  they can die suddenly, like infant cot deaths, no matter what you do for them.

Will this death be put down to natural causes  ....  or neglect,  or an unfortunate case which slipped thru the net?

Who knows? 

But whichever way you look at it, it's a total tragedy.  *sad*

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:Anorexics get very weak and  they can die suddenly, like infant cot deaths, no matter what you do for them.

Will this death be put down to natural causes  ....  or neglect,  or an unfortunate case which slipped thru the net?

Who knows? 

But whichever way you look at it, it's a total tragedy.  *sad*

Suicide

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Suicide

Whichever way you look at it its tragic.

Were you always this nasty or did something happen in your life to make you an imbecile.

Raggamuffin wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


If you actually had a real world productive and worthwhile job,  Comrade SmellyCrash&Burnski,  people might take more notice of your usual drivelling nonsense...

As it is, how could you possibly survive down there in your dear ol' mum's council house basement,  if it wasn't for your fortnightly "dole scum" payments..

It sounds like you look down on people who live in council houses Wolfboy, and those who are on benefits.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Nice to see Tommy Monk completely ignoring the mental health aspects of those more seriou/severe anorexia&bulimia patients...

Much like those hard-hearted geraniums that are in charge of cutting so many health and social welfare benefits these days..

I wonder if Tommy works for one of those contracting firms  ?

Ben Reilly wrote:

nicko wrote:And so are you if you think left wing politicians are any different !

Left wing politicians are completely opposite of that, and if you don't realize it you're a FUCKING IDIOT

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

nicko wrote:And so are you if you think left wing politicians are any different !

Left wing politicians are completely opposite of that, and if you don't realize it you're a FUCKING IDIOT

Our last lot of left wing govt politicians left us with a benefits system that paid unemployed people up to 100,000 pounds a year in handouts for rent and spending money... for them to stay in luxury pads in expensive parts of the country... not have to go to work... and with little or no challenge from the job centre ever to actually have to start looking to get into work... paid a fortune to sit around all day... while everyone else has to go to work every day to afford what an average yearly salary of about 20,000 to 25,000 (before tax) can get them...!!!

Ben Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Our last lot of left wing govt politicians left us with a benefits system that paid unemployed people up to 100,000 pounds a year in handouts for rent and spending money... for them to stay in luxury pads in expensive parts of the country... not have to go to work... and with little or no challenge from the job centre ever to actually have to start looking to get into work... paid a fortune to sit around all day... while everyone else has to go to work every day to afford what an average yearly salary of about 20,000 to 25,000 (before tax) can get them...!!!

1) I don't believe you

2) Even if you're right, so the fuck what? It's far better than them starving in the streets, right?

3) Outcomes are the only priority for a healthier, happier society -- enforcing some simplistic view of what's fair does not build great societies.

sassy wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

It wasn't a case of she wasn't ill enough.  It was a case of she didn't attend the interview therefore she defaulted on her benefits.  That's the way it works.   Sadly, her situation should have been assessed more efficiently but due to the amount of scroungers and benefit cheats we have in the UK,  she fell victim to the red tape.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/universal-credit-system-whistleblower-benefits-poverty-suffering-vulnerable-claimants-hunger-chaos-a7998731.html

The Government spends £39 MILLION a year defending decisions they know are wrong and get overturned in court:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-disabled-people-benefits-legal-action-lose-government-work-pensions-department-frank-field-mp-a7886166.html


They aren't mistakes, it's Government policy, they know the sick, the vunerable and even young children are suffering, losing their homes and going without food, AND THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK PROVIDING THEY CAN KEEP GIVING MONEY TO THE RICH.

Syl wrote:That's been my way of thinking for decades, no matter who is in government....they all look after themselves in the long run.

The poor are still poor, the rich get richer, and the middle of the roaders get poorer because wages can never keep up with inflation and they get sweet sod all in help.

I know women who work full time and spend the majority of their wages on child care which is astronomical. They cant get their kids into state funded nursery places because those are reserved for parents on benefits.

I know people who have never claimed a penny throughout their lives, bought their houses over 25 years and seen them eaten up by care home fees in a couple of years at the end of their lives.