Actor Kevin Spacey apologises for sexually assaulting a 14 year old...but he cant remember doing it.

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Pathetic.
How can a man not remember trying to have sex with a child? Even if it was 30 years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41799026



"Hollywood star Kevin Spacey has made an apology after being accused of making a sexual advance toward a child actor.
Anthony Rapp, who was 14, said Spacey invited him to a party and seemed drunk when the alleged incident happened.
Spacey, who was 26, said: "I honestly do not remember the encounter... but if I did behave then as he describes I owe him the sincerest apology."

Spacey also revealed he was now living as a gay man after years of refusing to address rumours about his sexuality.
Rapp said he was sharing the story now after the Harvey Weinstein scandal. the 46-year-old Star Trek: Discovery actor said he was sitting on the edge of a bed after the party - held in Spacey's apartment in 1986 - when Oscar-winning Spacey, now 58, came into the bedroom.
"He picked me up like a groom picks up the bride over the threshold. But I don't, like, squirm away initially, because I'm like, 'What's going on?' And then he lays down on top of me," Rapp said.
"He was trying to seduce me... I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually."
Rapp said he was able to go to the bathroom before he left.

At the time of the alleged incident, Rapp was winning plaudits for his role in the Broadway production of the play Precious Sons. He has since appeared in numerous other theatre, television and film productions.

Responding to the allegation, Spacey said he was "sorry for the feelings [Rapp] describes having carried with him all these years".

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

According to reports there had been a party at Spaceys house.
The 14 year old attended, it's not clear who he was with in the reports I read.
He was bored, went to watch TV in Spaceys bedroom, when Spacey appeared the lad realised everyone else had gone home...that's when the advances were made. Rapp said he made an excuse to leave, Spacey tried to persuade him not to...he left...that was it...that's all the info that's been given.

First, it's only 'attempted assault' at best.  Even that is suspect...there's no indication of use or force, and everyone agrees that the young man was free to leave.  It was all talk.  Hardly a Harvey Weinstein.

Second, the statute of limitations has long past.

Apparently Spacey has lost his job.  House of Cards has been cancelled.

Attempted sexual assault of a minor though Quill....one that is at least 4 years younger than the assailant...(in this case 12 years younger) would surely be taken more seriously IF the case could still be active, which it cant.


Apart from Mags who also mentioned it....does anyone else not find it utterly wrong that Spacey chose the same statement dealing with this event as the time to publicly announce he is gay?

I have been reading that the LGBT community are disgusted....and rightly so..

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

First, it's only 'attempted assault' at best.  Even that is suspect...there's no indication of use or force, and everyone agrees that the young man was free to leave.  It was all talk.  Hardly a Harvey Weinstein.

Second, the statute of limitations has long past.

Apparently Spacey has lost his job.  House of Cards has been cancelled.

Attempted sexual assault of a minor though Quill....one that is at least 4 years younger than the assailant...(in this case 12 years younger) would surely be taken more seriously IF the case could still be active, which it cant.

Still, only attempted. It affects the statute of limitations.

And it doesn't even sound like assault.

Syl wrote:Apart from Mags who also mentioned it....does anyone else not find it utterly wrong that Spacey chose the same statement dealing with this event as the time to publicly announce he is gay?

I have been reading that the LGBT community are disgusted....and rightly so..

Oh year...it's clearly a diversion.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Attempted sexual assault of a minor though Quill....one that is at least 4 years younger than the assailant...(in this case 12 years younger) would surely be taken more seriously IF the case could still be active, which it cant.

Still, only attempted.  It affects the statute of limitations.

And it doesn't even sound like assault.  

Syl wrote:Apart from Mags who also mentioned it....does anyone else not find it utterly wrong that Spacey chose the same statement dealing with this event as the time to publicly announce he is gay?

I have been reading that the LGBT community are disgusted....and rightly so..

Oh year...it's clearly a diversion.

I think it sounds like a sexual assault, assault doesnt have to be rough...and the lads age at the time would be taken into consideration had it made the courts.

Rapp claims Spacey picked him up, carried him to the bed, lay on top of him then he claims..".He was trying to seduce me... I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually."

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Why would he be totally alone in Spacey's bedroom?

According to reports there had been a party at Spaceys house.
The 14 year old attended, it's not clear who he was with in the reports I read.
He was bored, went to watch TV in Spaceys bedroom, when Spacey appeared the lad realised everyone else had gone home...that's when the advances were made. Rapp said he made an excuse to leave, Spacey tried to persuade him not to...he left...that was it...that's all the info that's been given.

That still doesn't answer the question of why a minor was attending a party unaccompanied by a parent?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

According to reports there had been a party at Spaceys house.
The 14 year old attended, it's not clear who he was with in the reports I read.
He was bored, went to watch TV in Spaceys bedroom, when Spacey appeared the lad realised everyone else had gone home...that's when the advances were made. Rapp said he made an excuse to leave, Spacey tried to persuade him not to...he left...that was it...that's all the info that's been given.

That still doesn't answer the question of why a minor was attending a party unaccompanied by a parent?

No idea, obviously some parents are useless.. if they had been there chances are Spacey would have kept his hands to himself.

The other thing is that it's absolutely nobody's business what Spacey, or anyone else's, sexuality is.  Why should anyone be forced to 'come out' if they don't want to.   It seems to me that everyone in Hollywood who knows Spacey at any personal level are all scrabbling to disassociate themselves from him even if it means further besmirching his character as they do so.  

Hollywood has always been a stinking pile of hypocrisy, and I'd be surprised if anyone working in that industry is whiter than white....even the ones screaming loudest now.

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

That still doesn't answer the question of why a minor was attending a party unaccompanied by a parent?

No idea, obviously some parents are useless.. if they had been there chances are Spacey would have kept his hands to himself.

Let's face it, the industry is well known for being what it is...so his parents must have had some inkling, and if they didn't they deserve to be pilloried for their part in it too.   There's no way I'd let my 14 year old go to a Hollywood party on their own.  Most sane parents wouldn't.

HoratioTarr wrote:The other thing is that it's absolutely nobody's business what Spacey, or anyone else's, sexuality is.  Why should anyone be forced to 'come out' if they don't want to.   It seems to me that everyone in Hollywood who knows Spacey at any personal level are all scrabbling to disassociate themselves from him even if it means further besmirching his character as they do so.  

Hollywood has always been a stinking pile of hypocrisy, and I'd be surprised if anyone working in that industry is whiter than white....even the ones screaming loudest now.

This is nothing to do with him being gay or coming out...it's Spacey himself that has connected the two, no one else.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

No idea, obviously some parents are useless.. if they had been there chances are Spacey would have kept his hands to himself.

Let's face it, the industry is well known for being what it is...so his parents must have had some inkling, and if they didn't they deserve to be pilloried for their part in it too.   There's no way I'd let my 14 year old go to a Hollywood party on their own.  Most sane parents wouldn't.

His parents were probably similar to Macauley Culkins and his siblings, and the other parents who let their kids stay over at Micheal Jacksons house unsupervised, in other words....bloody useless.

Jules wrote:Easy to believe that he forgot all about the incident tho. He's not necessary lying.

If he was drunk & stoned at the party (very likely) then of course he's likely to forget what happened.

Or...you only forget it, because it's one of many.

eddie wrote:

Jules wrote:Easy to believe that he forgot all about the incident tho. He's not necessary lying.

If he was drunk & stoned at the party (very likely) then of course he's likely to forget what happened.

Or...you only forget it, because it's one of many.

that's probably more likely eddie

'celeb' world of non stop partying, sleeping around with anyone available, trying it on with all sorts, plus this was donkeys years ago.

but, apparently spacey invited this lad. did he know him? did he know how old he was? if so that was bad to start with. also his parents may not have known if he said he was going to one of his classmates sleepover or some such. although i always checked with my daughter i didn't always with my sons. my eldest son used to go 'night fishing' (he had no interest in fishing whatsoever) when he was about 15, which basically meant weekends over the park with his mates getting smashed

No wonder he doesn't remember one isolated incident, he has allegedly spent his adult life making sexual advances towards young men and boys.

"Incidents regarding Spacey are also alleged to have taken place in the UK while the two-time Oscar winner was the artistic director at the Old Vic in London between 2004 and 2015.
Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos, who acted in several plays at the theatre, claims Spacey "routinely preyed" on young male actors.
"It seems the only requirement was to be a male under the age of 30 for Mr Spacey to feel free to touch us," he wrote in a Facebook post.
He said he fended off two "unpleasant" advances from Spacey that "bordered on harassment," but that others were afraid to do so.

The Old Vic has set up a confidential complaints process for anyone connected to the 200-year-old theatre to come forward.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41829484

Syl wrote:No wonder he doesn't remember one isolated incident, he has allegedly spent his adult life making sexual advances towards young men and boys.

"Incidents regarding Spacey are also alleged to have taken place in the UK while the two-time Oscar winner was the artistic director at the Old Vic in London between 2004 and 2015.
Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos, who acted in several plays at the theatre, claims Spacey "routinely preyed" on young male actors.
"It seems the only requirement was to be a male under the age of 30 for Mr Spacey to feel free to touch us," he wrote in a Facebook post.
He said he fended off two "unpleasant" advances from Spacey that "bordered on harassment," but that others were afraid to do so.

The Old Vic has set up a confidential complaints process for anyone connected to the 200-year-old theatre to come forward.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41829484

He's a very good actor but there's something about him that's a bit creepy.   His depiction of that serial killer in Seven was outstanding.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:No wonder he doesn't remember one isolated incident, he has allegedly spent his adult life making sexual advances towards young men and boys.

"Incidents regarding Spacey are also alleged to have taken place in the UK while the two-time Oscar winner was the artistic director at the Old Vic in London between 2004 and 2015.
Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos, who acted in several plays at the theatre, claims Spacey "routinely preyed" on young male actors.
"It seems the only requirement was to be a male under the age of 30 for Mr Spacey to feel free to touch us," he wrote in a Facebook post.
He said he fended off two "unpleasant" advances from Spacey that "bordered on harassment," but that others were afraid to do so.

The Old Vic has set up a confidential complaints process for anyone connected to the 200-year-old theatre to come forward.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41829484

He's a very good actor but there's something about him that's a bit creepy.   His depiction of that serial killer in Seven was outstanding.

I love that film and yes he is a good actor. I doubt people would have held their tongues for so long if he hadn't been.
Its the most powerful people who get away with all this for years, look at the politicians... and the perverts that held high ranking jobs in the BBC, not to mention celebrity household names both here and in the US.

I see Dustin Hoffman is now being mentioned as a predator towards young woman.

Once the can of worms has been opened, the genuine and the bandwagoners are all leaping out of it.

The girl who complained said he took advantage of a child. She was 17 ffs not a child. He tapped her bum said some sexual things.

If I had took every man who touched me or said sexual things I'd never be out of court!

Another person wanting compo imo.

magica wrote:The girl who complained said he took advantage of a child. She was 17 ffs not a child. He tapped her bum said some sexual things.

If I had took every man who touched me or said sexual things I'd never be out of court!

Another person wanting compo imo.

I tend to agree with that Mags.
Anne Robinson has said similar, and she is being heavily criticised for it, people saying she is 'victim blaming' instead of putting the blame where it lies, on the men who sexually harass women.

Like you I dealt with loads of unwanted passes and remarks off hopeful creeps, I worked in nightclubs from the age of 17, sometimes in skimpy costumes, so you can imagine.
Apart from having to give a couple of slaps, usually ignoring or  using humorous put downs worked....the women I knew back then  would not have dreamt of thinking they were being sexually abused.
To pretend, decades later that we were is somehow a bit pathetic.

For women and men and obviously kids who were genuinely abused and traumatised, they should get all the support they need whenever they decide to speak out.

I agree Syl. I think, like you, those who are genuine and have been raped, abuse etc, should speak out and get the help they need.

Also, people who point the finger at a famous person because he touched their bum,or said something sexual many years ago or even now, is hardly affecting their mental health, or traumatizing them.

They are making it very hard for real victims imo.

I had a part time job in a factory once, it was full of Women. I had to walk past them to service machines.
I was grabbed, my parts were fondled, there were hands all over me. I was 16+ . I am still traumatised !

nicko wrote:I had a part time job in a factory once,   it was full of Women.  I had to walk past them to service machines.
I was grabbed, my parts were fondled, there were hands all over me.   I was 16+ .    I am still traumatised !

Aww nemind nicko  

Thank you Magica, i'm doing my best to get over it !

I can see that Nicko, Hard one eh

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Still, only attempted.  It affects the statute of limitations.

And it doesn't even sound like assault.  



Oh year...it's clearly a diversion.

I think it sounds like a sexual assault, assault doesnt have to be rough...and the lads age at the time would be taken into consideration had it made the courts.

Rapp claims Spacey picked him up, carried him to the bed, lay on top of him then he claims..".He was trying to seduce me... I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually."

You are thinking of civil assault. Criminal assault, or sexual assault requires specific elements, one of which is usually penetration or touching in certain places. At a minimum, we need to know what were the acts, and which law and what it says.

eddie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:This is nothing but a liberal hate mob feminazi purge.

"he raped me with his eyes?

"err what do you mean raped?"

"he looked in my general direction once, he raped me"

They shouldn't call women the weaker sex, they should them the batshit craziest sex

Ah. So you have a real deep dislike for women.
And!
This story isn't even about a woman claimsing sexual assault, so your post is pointless.

In Bandit's eyes, women are the lightning rod for this entire shitstorm. The men involved are all innocent lambs!

smelly-bandit wrote:
It's nothing but a purge and a witch hunt

Emotive language!
Stick with purge. A purge is a damn good thing. Lance that festering boil !

I will bow to your superior knowledge on what the charge would actually be called Quill.
In the event ...and so far, he hasnt actually been charged with anything yet, even though several other men have already spoken out about his behaviour since the origional story broke.

I have a feeling his fast diminishing acting, directing and producing career will be the biggest punishment.

HoratioTarr wrote:The other thing is that it's absolutely nobody's business what Spacey, or anyone else's, sexuality is.  Why should anyone be forced to 'come out' if they don't want to.   ....

Ffs,  have you not worked out the reason why  gays wanted other gays to come out? Nothing to do with wanting to interfere in ''other people's business''!

Maybe in these enlightened times the reasons aren't so obvious.

In olden times the reason was.... SOLIDARITY! Strength in numbers, moral support.  20/30 years ago some homosexuals felt very isolated growing up, some felt like freaks. Coming out was sometimes  career threatening, even life threatening in some parochial communities ( even tho it had become legal). If some respected people in the community had come out, it would have made all the difference.


This is the reason why I said what I said!

Syl wrote:I will bow to your superior knowledge on what the charge would  actually be called Quill.
In the event ...and so far, he hasnt actually been charged with anything yet,  even though several other men have already spoken out about his behaviour since the origional story broke.

I have a feeling his fast diminishing acting, directing and producing career will be the biggest punishment.

No question he's a bad apple. But he's not been charged because the statute of limitations has run.

If anyone comes forward with an actual assault, and it's recent enough, they will be charging him.

Jules wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ah. So you have a real deep dislike for women.
And!
This story isn't even about a woman claimsing sexual assault, so your post is pointless.

In Bandit's eyes, women are the lightning rod for this entire shitstorm. The men involved are all innocent lambs!

smelly-bandit wrote:
It's nothing but a purge and a witch hunt

Emotive language!
Stick with purge. A purge is a damn good thing. Lance that festering boil !

Women are snakes with tits.

The latest round of man bashing we see from these harpies is akin to the black slave trade.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:
In Bandit's eyes, women are the lightning rod for this entire shitstorm. The men involved are all innocent lambs!




Emotive language!
Stick with purge. A purge is a damn good thing. Lance that festering boil !

Women are snakes with tits.

The latest round of man bashing we see from these harpies is akin to the black slave trade.

You are either a very bad troll trying desperately to get reactions....or incredibly disturbed, my money is on the former.

I bet Kevin Spacey is secretly thrilled that Dustin Hoffman has snatched the headlines away from him.

I imagine every star (and politician) who has ever looked at a woman in the wrong way is dreading their names to be mentioned in some half cocked story from decades ago.

This latest woman, some author no one has heard of, is imo demeaning everyone who actually was sexually abused years ago.

We saw the same thing here when the BBC seemed to have employed so many sex abusers after Saville had been found out to be such a deviant.
Women coming out of the woodwork because someone had twanged their bra back in the 60's.

It all seems far too convenient.

The victim.hashtag is nothing more than a fashion statement.

We must treat with skepticism any claims coming forward that start with "one upon a time 25 years ago blah blah blah inappropriate blah blah blah"

This is what the world looks like when it's run by angry lonely man hating feminazis

snakes with tits

smelly-bandit wrote:

Jules wrote:
In Bandit's eyes, women are the lightning rod for this entire shitstorm. The men involved are all innocent lambs!




Emotive language!
Stick with purge. A purge is a damn good thing. Lance that festering boil !

Women are snakes with tits.

The latest round of man bashing we see from these harpies is akin to the black slave trade.

The moderator has already reminded you that this topic has nothing to do with women, yet you are still screeeeching about 'women, women, women blah blah ...'
Then you go one better and make a ludicrous comparison with the slave trade?  


You're like someone who wakes up with a migraine and mentions it in every single thread, blaming whatever the thread topic is, for your migraine.  
..  

Poor li'l  Smelly'TraumatisedForLife'Snookums...

The little munchkin probably got bullied something awful when he started primary skool..

Bullied by those 'orrible little girls --  and "black" African girls at that  !